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Topic: CVR AMPS (AGAIN!)
Posted By: Earplug
Subject: CVR AMPS (AGAIN!)
Date Posted: 13 January 2026 at 12:50pm
Some guys I know that run a sound system here went & splashed out on a few CVR amps a few months ago.

They have:-

1 x D-1502
1 x DSP 3004
1 x DSP 3304

They've had a few problems, so brought them here for me to take a look. I've done a bit of poking around & basic scoping of the outputs, etc.

My initial impression is that the outputs are horribly dirty, with a lot of residual oscillation coming through & the outputs not tracking the input that well.   Ouch

Is this normal with these amps, or have these guys been very unlucky? 





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Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 14 January 2026 at 9:21am
I've also noticed a slight "clicking" noise coming from the SMPS transformers on the DSP 3304. Is that common?






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Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 14 January 2026 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by Earplug Earplug wrote:

I've also noticed a slight "clicking" noise coming from the SMPS transformers on the DSP 3304. Is that common?






that's normal apparently but can't say i've noticed it on the four channel models I have.


Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 14 January 2026 at 5:16pm
Ok. I thought so, but the owners are worried. They are thinking about asking for a replacement, but bought in China, so good luck on that one. I'm not sure how much of a guarantee they'll have there. And it is very slight. Hardly noticeable, especially if the fans are running.   




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Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 15 January 2026 at 8:59am
interested in your comments about oscillation - how bad is it, and is it above the audio band?


Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 15 January 2026 at 9:22am
Ok. Like I said, a slight clicking, almost like a relay that isn't engaging properly. 

Before opening the amp, I actually thought that it may be a relay, but obviously not. It is very quiet, almost unnoticeable, especially when the fans kick in. The owners have contacted the seller to see what they say. I no longer have the amps as the guys needed them for the weekend. I'll let you know if there are any comments from China...

EDIT:-  Oh yeah - my advice to the guys was to sell the amps & try get something better. They would obviously love to buy some Powersoft, but beyond their budget. Funnily enough, there are a few heavyweight Crests (MA5850's & CA's) on sale on one internet site here. They would be a lot better for them, but obviously weigh a lot more...





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Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 15 January 2026 at 12:38pm
I have loads of VZ5002’s left! Send them my way.

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Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 15 January 2026 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by jacethebase jacethebase wrote:

I have loads of VZ5002’s left! Send them my way.


I image that they would be interested - but import tax & courier would be a PITA -- unless you want to come down for a holiday!!  LOL LOL LOL





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Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 15 January 2026 at 2:09pm
consensus seems to be that the ticking noise is the PFC circuit operating. Did your scope measurements of the output show up any other problems?
"the outputs are horribly dirty, with a lot of residual oscillation coming through & the outputs not tracking the input that well."


Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 15 January 2026 at 3:38pm
Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

consensus seems to be that the ticking noise is the PFC circuit operating. Did your scope measurements of the output show up any other problems?
"the outputs are horribly dirty, with a lot of residual oscillation coming through & the outputs not tracking the input that well."



Ok.

The outputs were bad. I can't remember which amp it was, but I was getting over 2.5v of oscillation at around 250kHz on one, but all had substantial residuals and some ugly wave forms when pushed.

"Pulsing" a sin wave though them showed a lag in the output, i.e. the rails were collapsing a lot when pushed. Also, the 2 DSP models did have some phase shift, but I really didn't have the amps here long enough to do much more. The main problem was that the guys were getting shocks off the racks! I traced that to a bad lead on their distro, no problem!   LOL





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Posted By: kedwardsleisure
Date Posted: 15 January 2026 at 5:15pm
Quote 2.5v of oscillation at around 250kHz


That's not going to push much current through a speaker voice coil at that sort of level!

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Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 15 January 2026 at 11:13pm
I'm no expert but if there is a 12dB/oct output filter at about 50khz then at 250kHz it will be about 20dB down from the peak RMS voltage of the 3302 of 162.5V. 


Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 16 January 2026 at 10:09am
Yes, I know - residual oscillation will always be there - it just looks bad!    LOL

What was worse was the collapsing rails & distortion on pulsed sin waves. That would be a problem. In any case, the guys were obviously more worried about the shocks they were getting off the racks. I was worried that there was a leak from one of the amps that could do some real damage! In the end it was the distro, so no problem. 

They know that the CVR's are a cheapish option for what they would really like, but no budget for anything better. They did splash out on their drivers. Sub & kick are all very nice 18 Sound drivers, that supposedly need large watts to drive them. I do remain skeptical that the CVR's really are supplying the power they claim, so would have used some CA 18's, or Crest 8001's, etc.

In any case, it's their choice, so as long as they're happy...





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