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Topic: x1 need 2 men to lift?
Posted By: PBanyer
Subject: x1 need 2 men to lift?
Date Posted: 13 December 2004 at 8:54pm

Just picked up the pre cut wood for x1 cab. I now relies these are big cabinets, they must way a ton with the speaker in.

Does it take 2 men to lift one of these cabs?

I doubt whether I can lift this on my own.

I hope to have the drivers sent to me by Christmas, then early next year I can test my first 4 HD 15 and 1 x1 for the 1st time.

 

The web sit great and you have all been really helpful for me to learn more.

Thanks




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Posted By: Jez_Ultra
Date Posted: 13 December 2004 at 9:02pm

what do you mean you don't think you can lift one - what kind of wimp are you. 

you'll defo need two people to carry the X1 safely



Posted By: Exodus
Date Posted: 13 December 2004 at 10:42pm
Wheels and a ramp are the way forward :D


Posted By: Hobbyist2004
Date Posted: 14 December 2004 at 12:23am

I never realized how big the X1 was until I built my first one. Sure I can lift one myself, but only while severely straining my back. I've been thinking about casters, or some sort of rolling platform the same dimensions as the X1. Just need to find some casters that won't vibrate with the bass coming out of this monster.



Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 14 December 2004 at 8:52am

What do you mean you can't lift one single handed, eat shreadies and you should be able to carry two X1 at a time!

I've got castor plates on my 2 x 15" reflex cabinets, and found that the spring catch vibrated, needed a little bit of blue tack.  I'd already taken the castors off, but it may well have been OK with them on.

The reflex cabs are about 20" x 20" x 40", with the castors you can move them around any level surface, and they can just about be tipped, and stacked one above the other (20" dimension) single handed.  Castors are definitely the way to go, but they do take additional storage and transportation space.  I think there is a picture somewhere of X1 with castors published.  Let us know how you get on with the X1 and HD15 combination, and how well they wheely work.



Posted By: Mal X
Date Posted: 14 December 2004 at 1:12pm

i have 8 X1's with 4" adam hall casters on the back of them. they are very high quality and have never rattled. i can lift them by myself when stacking the rig but it is aways easier with 2 people. casters are a must though for 20 you save yourself alot of hassle and pain.

mal



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Posted By: Jez_Ultra
Date Posted: 14 December 2004 at 9:28pm

however they don't work on grass, mud or in forest clearings.

 



Posted By: Mal X
Date Posted: 15 December 2004 at 9:01am
ah very true, had a nasty experience at the last festival that i did, luckly i put the rig off the ground on pallets else i would still be digging it out of the mud now!!! the pallets sunk by 3". At the derig i ended up laying a walkway of 8'x4' sheets to cross the mud to my truck.

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Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 1:54am
Well a trolley with flexible nylon rope with hooks at each end to secure speaker while moving it would sove the lifting problem-----unless u have to carry them up flights of stairs----either get a stair climbing trolley for that or two people.


Posted By: kersley
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 3:40am

Hi All

How about a design that is smaller and lighter but with the same sort of output ??

anyone got plans ??

cheers



Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 2:16pm

'A lighter design'?

You could always make it out of cardboard!

Sorry, couldn't resist it



Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 2:28pm
Smaller, yes, but with the added bonus of a higher fc. To make it really ligth you could considder a composite material, but now you're talking money.


Posted By: spaceman
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 5:27pm
fiberglass prehaps? i have though about fiberglass as a material but it would take a lot of time and money to get a desired thickness plus fiber glassing stinks, bad for you, expensive and extreamly messy.


Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 6:09pm
Balsa?


Posted By: spaceman
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 6:16pm
papier mache


Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 6:19pm
Fibre-glass (or better still carbon fibre) with a honey-comb (balsa end-grain might work too) core material. Similar to what is used by some boat-builders.


Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 6:21pm

HZ used to do a great BP sub made out of plastic. It was very light and compact.



Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 10:08pm

Has anyone tried plastic flight case material, heavily braced?

Items that spring to mind are Hexagrip, FLight panel, and diamond board, but I'm not sure about the construction of all these materials.



Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 12 January 2005 at 6:28am
They might make for suitable skin materials in a composite. Just check that it bonds to your core and make a sandwich and you're set for something very stiff and lightweight (the strength is a function of core thickness)

I am affraid that just using plastic would be very sub-optimal.


Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 12 January 2005 at 8:18am
I think Hexagrip and diamond board may already be composite boards.


Posted By: spaceman
Date Posted: 12 January 2005 at 8:42pm
tin foil?


Posted By: roborg
Date Posted: 12 January 2005 at 9:27pm
matchsticks & balsa cement, i reckon u'd need 315,000 matches to make an 1850horn

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Posted By: freddyi
Date Posted: 12 January 2005 at 10:03pm
800 paper sacks and 50kg sack of buggy wheat flour?

heres my unrealistic head http://home.earthlink.net/~buddhaboy2/HEAD.jpg - http://home.earthlink.net/~buddhaboy2/HEAD.jpg


Posted By: spaceman
Date Posted: 13 January 2005 at 10:06pm

preformed concrete



Posted By: mans1000
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 4:18pm
Lego?


Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 22 January 2005 at 4:03am

Meccano?

Need a lot of bolts to fill all the holes.



Posted By: spaceman
Date Posted: 22 January 2005 at 7:57am
cling wrap?


Posted By: JD01
Date Posted: 27 January 2005 at 4:54pm
Forget about plastic. We have subs made of plastic here in Germany and they don't get that much output, because much of the energy is wasted' in inflating/deflating the plastic housing. No joke, it's true...


Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 27 January 2005 at 4:57pm
Actually, the thought was of a composite using plastic core material and fibre glass skins.


Posted By: jerry
Date Posted: 28 January 2005 at 12:21pm

Hoo Timber,

I have been building boxes using a paper honeycomb material 3/4" thick and covering that with 1/8 balticbirch.Very labour intensive but my labhorns only weigh 100 lbs.

Cheers

 



Posted By: JD01
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 8:14pm
@ Jerry: I order 12! :)


Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 31 January 2005 at 2:28am
Where do you get this material from Jerry?  Sounds just like what I am after!  How much is a sheet?


Posted By: Phil B
Date Posted: 31 January 2005 at 3:34am

Seems this box had been " designed " around carbonfibre? It says it`s " lightweight " for a double 15" ....still 80 kilos tho` which is as much as most ply boxes ? There`s so much " teknowaffle " as well to confuse people!!

http://www.qscaudio.com/products/speakers/isis/215pcm/215pcm.htm - http://www.qscaudio.com/products/speakers/isis/215pcm/215pcm .htm

.p.

 



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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 31 January 2005 at 7:15am
Yeah, but that 80 kilos includes a PL230 and a PL236 plus processors so it is a significant weight loss

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Posted By: jerry
Date Posted: 31 January 2005 at 11:31am

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Posted By: jerry
Date Posted: 31 January 2005 at 11:47am

Yoo Guys

I make this stuff myself,that is why it is labour intensive.However,a sheet of 48"by96"by1"only weighs about 13 lbs and cost me in material $30.00.I have worked with all kinds of carbonfibre,but this is not really a process that lends itself to the diy person.I can tell you how it is done and send you guys some pictures of the process,as long as you are not in a hurry,as my time is very limited.

Cheers

Jerry



Posted By: Phil B
Date Posted: 31 January 2005 at 1:10pm

Originally posted by norty303 norty303 wrote:

Yeah, but that 80 kilos includes a PL230 and a PL236 plus processors so it is a significant weight loss

 

Missed the bit about having amps in both options! Thought when it was passive it meant non-active ? So how much would it weigh without the amp and gubbins inside....any ideas?

 

.p.



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Posted By: Dom
Date Posted: 31 January 2005 at 2:01pm

The 80 kilos is for the passive box, it's 104kg with the amps...



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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 31 January 2005 at 3:48pm
Sorry, my bad

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Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 01 February 2005 at 3:13am

@jerry,

I'd really appreciate some details.  Perhaps you could post details about the raw materials initially so we can investigate how to buy them, and then follow up with some constructional details / photos later?



Posted By: jerry
Date Posted: 01 February 2005 at 12:58pm

yoo Andrew

You will need to find a source for the honeycomb core material.You will need a good compressor,to create the vacuum in the building process.I buy my core from tricell in california,but there are lots of companys making this stuf.I will post some pictures of this stuf over the weekend.I need my buddy to take them as I do not have a camera.Details of the building process will follow later.

Cheers

Jerry



Posted By: jerry
Date Posted: 15 February 2005 at 12:21pm

Yoo Andrew

I have the pictures,but cant figure out how to get them online Any volenteers to put this on?E-mail me and I will forward them you and then anyone can see this.The sheets come 48/96,but this one is allready cut to the size I need.

Cheers

Jerry



Posted By: csijo
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 10:53am

Excuse Me IF I ask something stoopid

I want build a boxes for two audio pipe 12" woofers so i want a box easy to build and efficient to get the a god or the best SPL & low Frecuency for that woofers, the X1 looks easy but i cannot find plans for 12" drivers, so is posible use a mathematical rule to resize the plans like:

18"
45.7cm = 80cm
12"
30.5cm =  X

my question is:
That formula can be aplied to all the sizes of the X1 18" to obtain the idela sizes for a X1 12"?

If somebody can help i will aprecciate.

Thanks

Jose Ortega
Venezuela



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Posted By: csijo
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 10:55am

the driver is an audiopipe TXX-F12 and the specifications are here:
http://www.rnlaudio.com/audiopipespecs.html - http://www.rnlaudio.com/audiopipespecs.html
the pic is here:
http://www.audiopipe.de/seiten/produkte/woofer01.htm#3" target=_blank onclick="MM_openBrWindow'zoom/txxf15.htm','','scrollbars=no,width=700,height=450'">

I live in Venezuela and here is dificult find information for me hobby: the audio
I will apreciate the help that you can bring me.

Thanks
Jose Ortega



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Posted By: whitehousejamie
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 11:09am

Unfortunately, that driver would be useless in a scaled down X1. It has a sensitivity of 86db, it the driver will just tear apart with anything more than low volume.



Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 11 April 2005 at 6:49pm

Just going back a bit ive never EVER heard a decent sounding plastic box.

Weight you may lose but you can most certainly hear the plastic if anyone wants to point me in the direction of a plastic box that does sound good please do.

If you want the aesthetic look and durability of a plastic shell then build your box out of 15mm ply and then paint on several layers of a hardening plastic layer like they use on kayaks to make up another 3-5mm. I have seen this work quite effectively particularly in outdoor situations!

Alternatively if you want maximum sound deadening then use 18mm ply and paint over that



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