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Eighteensound's 12LW1400 in Punisher

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Topic: Eighteensound's 12LW1400 in Punisher
Posted By: everdark
Subject: Eighteensound's 12LW1400 in Punisher
Date Posted: 22 August 2007 at 10:55pm
http://www.eighteensound.com/index.aspx?mainMenu=view_product&pid=215

Got few brilliant babies firing a bandpass cabs.
Totally satisfied by their lightweight and pressure!

What can they do being installed in a pair of Punishers I'm about to build?

Cheers



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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 22 August 2007 at 11:42pm
I don't know much about this, but from what I've picked up about the Punisher and suitable drivers this speaker might not have the Xmax needed, and the cone might not be strong enough?

Don't take my word for it though!


Posted By: everdark
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 8:00am
As far as I know Ciare doesn't produce 12.00sw anymore.
What Xmax will be enough for Punisher?


Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 2:23pm
im pretty sure the ciares are still in production

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Posted By: everdark
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 9:30pm
I was told that just recently by our (rus) only dealer.

so my question is active  - what excursion must I demand ?


Posted By: Sibulus
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 11:29am
Originally posted by everdark everdark wrote:

I was told that just recently by our (rus) only dealer.

so my question is active  - what excursion must I demand ?


Ciare lie, a lot. PAP couldn't get hold of 4ohm 12's for me, as apparantly the Ciare guy reckoned they didn't make them, which of course they do. They just couldn't be arsedt sort out a small order. In terms of other drivers, read Mircea Birtec (sp?) thread about his version of the punishers.


Posted By: kpippen
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 9:53pm
The predicted SPL response looks good....
 
Eighteensound 12LW1400 in Punisher
 


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Posted By: Contour
Date Posted: 27 August 2007 at 11:47am
I agree, TS parameters are OK. The 12LW-1400 is a serious 12" driver.
 
But I do not know if the cone will stay one part with high power usage over longer time. The only way to find out is to try.
 
Also make sure you have at least 2cm behind magnet vent en the panel behind the speaker for proper cooling.
 
Best regards,
 
Walt


Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 27 August 2007 at 2:57pm
Walt,

Have you also considered drivers such as the  B&C 12TBX100?  Simulations look good and the cone should be quite strong (not as much as the Ciare obviously).

Having looked at it, especially if you don't need the very lowest output from the Punisher, there are drivers which will give it a slightly flatter response and higher efficiency.

I would try some other drivers if I didn't already have the Ciares in mine.



Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 28 August 2007 at 12:30pm

I fancy this as the No1. contender?

remember where you heard it firstWink

 
http://www.bmspro.info/index.php?show=item&usbid=10285&id=5047870 - http://www.bmspro.info/index.php?show=item&usbid=10285&id=5047870


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Posted By: everdark
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:20am
I don't trust rubber suspension with woofers, it's just the easy way to reach Xmax, I think. By the way I never met these speakers over around.


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 3:35pm
Well your wrong there old chap
I think the rubber surround is most suited to the 'punisher'.


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Posted By: Vitke
Date Posted: 19 September 2007 at 11:33am
Originally posted by Contour Contour wrote:

But I do not know if the cone will stay one part with high power usage over longer time. The only way to find out is to try.
 
Best regards,
 
Walt
 
Hi,
I asked at x-max.de, if the cone will survive in that horn.
They told me, that the cone is so hard, that it should be impossible to damage it due to compression.
 
MfG chris


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 4:27am
Originally posted by Vitke Vitke wrote:

Originally posted by Contour Contour wrote:

But I do not know if the cone will stay one part with high power usage over longer time. The only way to find out is to try.
 
Best regards,
 
Walt
 
Hi,
I asked at x-max.de, if the cone will survive in that horn.
They told me, that the cone is so hard, that it should be impossible to damage it due to compression.
 
MfG chris
Well ask them when it rips can they replace it?

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Posted By: Vitke
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

Well ask them when it rips can they replace it?


He said, because of the fact that the cone is so extreme robust, cracks in the cone would be a warranty case, so that I would get a new one. He gives a 10 year guarantee for such damage at his chassis.

I hope i translated it accurate.
If someone can speak german, i can send the original text.

MfG chris


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 4:54pm
My friend, you are listening to a salesman
Buy it ,try it?
I have tested the ciare and ripped it, I then built my own with a tougher cone, ripped that one.
I have ripped 3 in total and have ended up with the one I am satisfied with, and It has a ridiculously hard cone.
You cant bend the cone with your fingers, if you can with this driver? all I can say is good luck. 


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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 5:31pm
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

My friend, you are listening to a salesman
Buy it ,try it?
I have tested the ciare and ripped it, I then built my own with a tougher cone, ripped that one.
I have ripped 3 in total and have ended up with the one I am satisfied with, and It has a ridiculously hard cone.
You cant bend the cone with your fingers, if you can with this driver? all I can say is good luck. 


Just out of curiosity mykey, how many Punishers loaded with your drivers are out there in the world? Did you ever send one over here for testing? I'd really like to A-B test one against a Ciare loaded Punisher, and have more than enough of the boxes!


Posted By: Vitke
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 5:32pm
This doesn't sound very good. Maybe i try the 18sound in a few month, anyway he guarantee it. So, if i buy it, i will report my experiances to you.

MfG chris


Posted By: Sibulus
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 7:58pm
Mykey, I would LOVE to hear this driver, send one over to the UK, and we can see if it really has what you say it has! ;)

Money/mouth time!


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 21 September 2007 at 5:46am

Give Martin a ring, he has 1 waiting for you to test.

It was sent with the 15's that JBL has.

I wasn't trying to sell this guy anything just telling him to be careful.


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Posted By: everdark
Date Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:02pm
Gentlemen. would you be so kind explaining me how could it happen to have the woofer RIPPED????


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 22 September 2007 at 3:16am
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11punps5.jpg -   
The area shown is too small, and will only take certain drivers.
it's ment to say...'Lots' of pressure 
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Posted By: everdark
Date Posted: 08 October 2007 at 9:56pm


why not making the speaker door here (maybe displacing the interferring elements a lil' backward may help)


Posted By: Contour
Date Posted: 09 October 2007 at 11:40am
I doubt the 12" Ciare will fit through that small hole. Also it will be almost impossible to tighten the bolts to hold the driven in place.
 
Best regards,
 
Walt


Posted By: sureal25
Date Posted: 10 October 2011 at 9:17am
Any updates?? 

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Posted By: login4
Date Posted: 10 October 2011 at 9:09pm
sometimes the only way to know is to try it out.

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Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 16 October 2011 at 7:02pm
then cry cos you haven't any money left Cry

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Posted By: Dutchman
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 1:20am
So what happened?

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Posted By: mirenkoo
Date Posted: 29 November 2018 at 1:21pm
Hi all,

Have you finally tried 12lw1400 into punisher? 
Any results? 
I'm about to put 2 into my punishers soon.




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