Amps for 1850's with v 18-1000
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Topic: Amps for 1850's with v 18-1000
Posted By: james303
Subject: Amps for 1850's with v 18-1000
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 4:25pm
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We are in the process of buying 4 1850's to be loaded with void18-1000's At the moment we have a Behringer EUROPOWER EP1500plus a budget of about £400 to power all four cabs. What would poeple recomend doing i am not sure i want to keep the berry as i am not really a fan of the sound it puts out, is it worth selling to try to finance buying either one or two new/second amps to power the cabs. Plus what is around for the £400-500 price range that suits this set up. Sorry if this is topic has already been covered. Thanks in Advance. |
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Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 4:33pm
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I'd save up a bit more tbh, and get something stronger.
Good brand 2nd hand > less good brand new ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: JaKe
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 4:38pm
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Matrix XP3000? JaKe |
Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 5:00pm
we have an xp3000 per pair so for four its not goin to be enough. save up for two the xp3000 and link them. one bin per channel at 8 ohms - 1000w+ per driver . 
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Posted By: james303
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 5:08pm
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Kind of stuck with the fact that we will need to hire out the rig the get the funds togeather to upgrade to better amps over time. Any idea how much xp3000 go for second hand so we can use one with the berry to start with then upgrade to two of them in time. |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 5:45pm
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Then... I am afraid it is two berry 2500. Bridge each one and run two boxes off it...
I am assuming you know how bridged amps run, you will need either a NL4 lead wired weird into Speakon one or use the binding posts.. If you know a bout this cool, if you haven't done it before check you get it right, my mate bridged his sub amp wired the speakers in normally and got jack sh*t as they were completely out of phase... I kid you not...
The berry amps are £220 inc VAT from DV247.com you won't do a lot better from pro-audio stockist as they have toss all margin and if you buy retail they will swap them out for you in the event of a problem....
I run these into Turbo TSW718 (one per box, it being a 4r box) with great results, we have now sacked the Lap Gruppen 6400 for lack of balls!
Failing that try SSE for second hand SR707s or John Henrys for XR3801s (phone for a deal the web prices are because John just doesn't like to let go....)
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 6:06pm
Less risk running 2x cabs per channel off XP3000H until cash arrives for 2nd, than bridging behringers across expensive drivers. Every time that red clip light comes on, assume some of the drivers, have been shot in a vital organ, at least once. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
shagnasty wrote:Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 6:16pm
 .. Do you know anyone in London who has Lab Grup 6400? Sounds like it should be in amp test.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 6:16pm
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Clip light??? I read the book and therefore I don't have them!
Bit harse, there, 1850s are cheap compared to LS1804s and I haven't had a problem, yeah if you want to rinse it you may, but to be hoest clip a PL 9.0, which is the daddy of amps into your rig and it will tear it apart...
The other thing is the EP2500 has amazing resale value, idoits on ebay pay 75% of cost for them, not true of Amcron (which I wouldn't pay 7.5% of cost for), QSC, MC2 etc
Set you limiters properly and don't let the dj clip the output of the mixer and you will be fine...
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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 6:17pm
We are in Guildford and have LAB 6400, what ya got if U wanna play???
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 6:26pm
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10735 - http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10735 ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 6:43pm
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And how we laughed! the truth is LAb G claim all their kit is RMS rated.. but indeed not @ 1KHz... Average music signal...
A QSC PL 6.0 has a 16A Iec in and 2.5mm cable the 6400 has a bit of 1.5mm pvc hanging out the back...
Now I am not Paul F**king daniels so I am think 6Kw (ish) from 1.5mm (say 15Amps @ 240) is knocking on 400% efficiency which could be the answer to gobal warming!!
http://www.labgruppen.com/Default.asp?Id=1708 - http://www.labgruppen.com/Default.asp?Id=1708
is their spec sheet, truth is, great amp, you can program the bitch to give full power into a 16ohm load if you want.. Handy... Light, fast, punchy, great for Mid-Hi, even bass but not worth a wank for sub...
4 EP2500 ran 8 or 9db ahead of a 6400 running 4x TSW718 now I accept the the EP should be giving 9K6 and the lab is only 6K4 but the sound quality was miles apart, bearing in mind I was running the 718 under 760s so they run up to 180Hz which isn't running them as subs IMHO the Lab was soft, mushy nad vague whilst the EPs were really quick punchy nad well on it...
Good amps, they look nice on your sub amp, which shouldn't have a Lab Gruppen Badge!
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Posted By: james303
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 6:47pm
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The berry we have is actual the 2500 so maybe one berry and a x3000H will do to start with. Will using two different amps with different output ratings affect the sound much other than 2 speakers being louder running of the x3000h. |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 6:55pm
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Just read the link to the budget amp shoot out...
the Fp 6400 doesn't really count in there as it was £2K but I feel a few amps in there may rinse it....
As for running different amps (may have hi-jacked this thread) just feed them both the same signal on load and then calibrate them so they give the same output voltage (use a true RMS meter like a Fluke 87 for this) not Ideal but will be pretty damm close...
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 8:20pm
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iirc list price is about £330 ish for a new xp3000 sell the ep2500 and put that with the 400 you have and contact andy amp on here, you wont be that far short of what you need for a pair, either that or id imagine a pair 2nd hand will cost about £500 ish ------------- insert silly sentence here |
Posted By: bill-77
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 10:17pm
James303 do as saul recommends as this is what i,m in the process of doing...But i.ll be linking x3 xp3000h running x6 scoops....U wont be dissapointed gauranteed...Dont bother with all these big silly priced fancy amps ie QSC ..This set up will surely blow away most 6k amps.....Better sound especially bottom end, then you ask them to come and play with ya....Keep a look out on ebay for second hand xp3000h amps they come now and again but not reguler as no one wants to sell them ...Or if you have the funds buy new x2 xp3000h from andy amp ebay shop amps-4u ...He might do a special for you ..single buy will be 499 each new....second hand around 340 (if you find any) good luck regards bill
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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 10:25pm
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and remember all the specs that andy gives for the matrix amps are fairly conservative. when we put 1000w into 8ohms in one of our bins, the sound is monsterous!! - they're worth it
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Posted By: bill-77
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 10:54pm
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There is no such amp that can be classified as DADDY OF ALL AMPS thats why amps have link points to create what ever power out put you need for your requirments... I could link x10 xp3000h mmmmm sounds tempting |
Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 1:39pm
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that'd be awesome! i think i'll probs buy more of these amps in the near future.....
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 1:50pm
Daddy of Amps "usually" refers to an amp that can be relied upon to deliver "beaucoup sub" to a 2ohm stereo load all night, while still being relaxed enough to chat to ladies at the gig as well. Most recent Daddies where Crest 9001 and Crown Vz5. But the PL6/PL9 are sposed' to be a bit 'tasty. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: bill-77
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 7:45pm
------------- WISDOM IS BETTER THEN SILVER AND GOLD!! |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 8:03pm
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The PL 9.0 was the Jedi Daddy of all amps... and indeed can be turned down to a PL 6.0 even if the mains lead looked like a hose pipe and wouldn't fit into a powercon...
The Vz5 and 9001 are indeed great lo-end amps but some kind of chassis, wheels, gearbox and maybe an enigine to move them would be nice...
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 8:21pm
Thanks for that Bill, but I class myself as knowledgable and nothing more. I came to this site to learn, and I am still learning. Definition of my perfect amp: In all honesty, if money was no option, I would like to be using the best amp that can deliver 4kwpc @ 2ohms. This would be a conservative 20-20khz rating. It would be able to produce sub that sounds as deep as a vz5000, and it would have a reputation for doing this effortlessly all night. This would allow me to carry 1x amp for 8x cabs like grown up PA guys. It would have dual 250V 16amp power inputs, or a 32A 250V connector thingy. Unfortunately If the above amp exists, I can't afford it right now. And not all I venues I play in have 3 phase available. So the next best option is 2x amps that are guaranteed to provide 2k per channel @ 8ohms, or for the short term, 4 amps @ 1k per channel. No one wants to lug lots of heavy amps about, but until the rest of us can afford the best 8k amps that do what we want, we have to. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 8:29pm
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Forgot to mention, just bought Inf8 Mk1 cheap, cos 1x channel is down. Its rated about 2400wpc @ 4ohms, so if it can properly slap 2x V18-1200s or 1850's per channel all night. Then I maybe getting another one. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 8:38pm
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To be honest, for smaller gigs, ie not 20 bins aside, surely several amps has the advantage that if your loose an amp you still have a show, if your rig only has one sub amp and it dies then distaster, but if you have two or more you can repatch and still have some sub for the night...
Assumly having taken 16 unloaded tsw721s to a gig once for a promoter that HAD to have 45KW (the 125amp single phase may have tipped a more informed individual off we were cheating) with undriven cabs stacked inamongst driven one the "passive" horns still moved alot of air!
So perhaps 8K amps aren't the way until you have the need for lots of them....
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 8:46pm
By the time I'm ready for those, I'll be able to carry at least 1x spare....  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: bill-77
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 8:54pm
------------- WISDOM IS BETTER THEN SILVER AND GOLD!! |
Posted By: bill-77
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 9:22pm
------------- WISDOM IS BETTER THEN SILVER AND GOLD!! |
Posted By: bill-77
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 9:24pm
------------- WISDOM IS BETTER THEN SILVER AND GOLD!! |
Posted By: Tiff
Date Posted: 15 December 2007 at 9:46pm
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a void infinate 8 like ive got are absolutely insane.tried it first out on 2 fane loaded scoops,made it sound like 8.and had 2 reknowned reggae rig sound men ask me if they could borrow it to run there scoops to see if they want to get one.id say thts impressive.
then last week we used it on4 ik folded horns,(800rms jbl's).....jesus titty f**king christ.gave it a right spanking at the last 10 mins of the night and tripped the mains(only had 13 amp plug on) got a little warm when we did that.
got the 2 ohm test next
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Posted By: Tiff
Date Posted: 15 December 2007 at 9:47pm
| there also ridiculously cheap for what there capable of,got mine for a grand second hand.new at 1300 i believe for the mrk 2's |
Posted By: josh
Date Posted: 15 December 2007 at 10:09pm
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Lev how does the infinate 8 mrk1 sound then? have you given it a proper testing yet? I really want to witness first hand an infinate 8 mk 2 powering 4 x v18-1000/v18-1200/ PD1850
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Posted By: Tiff
Date Posted: 15 December 2007 at 10:56pm
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ive heard the mark 1 on sub on a jungle/reggae rig...stupidly impressive.
heard it ona techno rig and various other music styles played out of our system and the bass pulsates like a motherf**ker..its nuts.
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