Whats the difference with JTS and
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Topic: Whats the difference with JTS and
Posted By: tweeter box
Subject: Whats the difference with JTS and
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 1:13pm
 The item in the bottom of the rack is a 4way VALVE preamp made by behringer!
 It has seperate parametric eq's on sub bass, mid bass, mid and treble
The JTS has a few more additional features at 8+fold the price!
 What id like to know is;
a) What is the difference between the features on here and the EXACT/EQUIVILANT same features on a JTS pre amp? If any!!
b) Is the price justified? considering the behringer gives out that warm vavlve sound system bass ( JTS got no valves ) and only cost me £89 from new with recipt and garuntee!
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Posted By: Humble Tafari
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 4:12pm
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I would have to use the behringer to give an throrough comment. Just reading ono paper is never like actually using it.
I have been using Tubbs preamsp since 84 and have never had any issues with any of them. Several of my preamps i have had customised (added switches/variation in cut-off points...etc) and pretty much stand by them. He has sent me a few prototypes over the years and they've worked just fine.
Yours look really impressive i must say, and interested to hear the accoustic difference between valve preamp and transistor pream. But the best objective would be for one to use them both to get most true opinion.
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Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 4:56pm
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Lob both down the stairs and take em both to a gig. I know which one I'd play with... ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:03pm
Im guessing this is your normal way of comparing or testing equipment? lol
 Youd be a fool to play with any of them after a drop down the stairs!
Actually youd be a fool to drop them down the stairs in the first place! lol
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Jhodas wrote:Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:09pm
Thankyou for your opinion/feedback
I dont think the behringer has as good build quality as a JTS but then ive never used a JTS, just wondering if anybody has used both? ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: wasup
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:10pm
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Nice to know what it is wanted to ask you when you posted in the my rig thread!
So you mention the warm sound is it like that? Does it make a big difference to the sound?Like no mistake or is it minimal?
I was looking into buying one but stopped partley due to funds but also they are not really valves in the true scence.This may cause a discution but read it was just modern things transisitors or such like imitating a valve! Hey no worries i would like to know about the sound itself!
Cannot help you compaire to a jts but why would you want to throw it down a any where let alone stairs?
How do you use it ? Like a crossover? One input and 4 outs like highs ,mids and bass? Or is it after a xover?
The signal is already split and then warmed up[valve effect] so inafect three/four inputs three/four outputs...?????????
Me i was thinking of using it for vocals!
Please tell me more ....
big up and more time andy
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Posted By: russ d
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:15pm
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the behringer is only a poormans 4 band (not 4 way) parametric eq, a very poor mans, its not a pre-amp, and certainly not similar to a sound system pre-amp... its made more for studio use rather than sound system, it can of course be used for whatever you want, but please at £89 you got to understand its a cheap piece of junk, real names in parametric eq`s or front end recording pre-amps for studio use are the likes of Neve, API, GML, SSL, Manley, Langevin, Universal Audio, Drawmer etc etc, and these things will cost 10 - 20 times the behringer, the reason is they are of much higher build quality, and actually sound good... behringer eq sounds weak and flimsy in comparison... now to compare to a jts pre-amp, the two units do two ultimately different things, the behringer as described is a paramertric eq, the jts pre-amp is a control unit for a sound system, not just an eq, it has all the input/output to feed a sound system, it filters the seperate bass, mids, treble to feed seperate amps, and decks, fx, mics etc can all be connected at the same time...your behringer cant do none of that... you can of course build a system with behringer (and other cheap makes) to do what a pre-amp can do, you`d have a lot of wiring to sort and you`d be carrying 4 or 5 times the ammount of gear to do the job of a sound system pre-amp... btw, the valves on behringer gear, and fairly much most budget gear, do very little, they also all put a small lamp behind to give the valve more of a glow, it helps sell to beginners !... dont be fooled that your getting a real valve sound with that piece of gear... btw2... there was one sound i played on that used a spl valve unit to push thier bass thru, they still used transistor amps to drive their speakers, thier idea was to give the bass that `valve` sound, to me it did`nt work, it made the bass sound flat, uncontrolled and undefined, its just not the same as running proper valve amps. in the end tho` if your happy with your little setup then thats all ok, its a starting point, and as years go by you will learn and understand more. ------------- Disciples on I-Tunes. Disciples on Bandcamp: http://russdisciples.bandcamp.com/ Facebook: russ disciple Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/sargantbrown?feature=mhum |
Posted By: wasup
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:25pm
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I see u use a computer! So why would you want a pre amp?
No wires at all when running it through the comp and the sound is really clean and nice! Well it is on mine can do just about everything FOR FREE as the programs dont cost anything near a PRE well my didnt cost anything at ALL?
True a sound card may help and cost but they arnt all that much either certainly less than a PRE...........
Also no worries with mike and cutout switches NONE.....
What if a pre breaks down? Whole system is out .......Your system now will keep going just without the broken bit........
more time
Andy
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:34pm
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Andy, has your computor ever crashed, I always have that fear. Only ever been used to the normal hardware. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:39pm
 none taken. I was referring to durability in a somewhat direct manner. Basically, JTS preamps have a record for reliability. Berry gear just doesn't have the same rep. It's like (almost) everything in the audio world. You get what you play for. I'm not slating Berry btw. It's good budget stuff.------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: wasup
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:44pm
heights Mr T !
Well No it hasnt ! Then why would it?
Me i only know what i have [not very much]..But untill now cannot see any cons between a computer and a pre... In theory i could use any comp so if mine broke i could use the one in the office of the hall i was playing at! But you couldnt if it was a pre!Or i could run out from the mixer [also a pre] Ok how would i get my music out of the comp well mine on an external HD of which i carry 2...........
But then had no problems with power or lack of it ,like them talk about on here recently which will kill ur sound or quality ..But i see what your saying!
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Posted By: Humble Tafari
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 7:26pm
Give thanx for the Insite and heads up bredda Russ,
Makes much sense now.
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Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 4:36am
comp and external all the music you have in them, did u pay to download ,rec from your own cds, or are you one them killers , remember your the recordshop bro them have to eat too 45 run the dance .no dibidibi   |
Posted By: ToNy MoNtAnA
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 4:40am
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Behringer valve pre-amp is JUST a budget parametric EQ really,nothing alse. Also the valves are not a high quality type and are a warmth effect, as the rest of the circuity is transistor based, not all valve based. A proper all valve based preamp are expensive like £500 or more. JTS 4 way pre-amp has a high quality parametric EQ on bass and mid, high quality 10 band graphic EQ, high quality fixed 4 way active crossover, low,low mid,mid and hf kill switches, deck inputs with crossfade. And a few other things. If you just play reggae and dub, your much better off with the JTS or full mostec preamp. Or mostec mini-pre if your strapped for cash. And if buying the Behringer was down to lack of money, then the mostec mini-pre for £350 is really affordable compaired to £595 for the JTS 3 way and £795 for 4 way JTS. Although the mostec mini-pre only has a bass parametric, 7 band EQ, 3 way active crossover, 3 way kill switches, deck and line input, mic input. And has to be used with an existing mixer. |
Posted By: wasup
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 5:15am
Well not just a money thing just part of the equation!
I certainly dont think youd be better of with a PRE...I mean if one was starting out from scratch with no equipment at all it may be cheaper to start with a PRE as its all in one.However all in one has its downfalls BIG TIME ...
HOLD on who does that[put away what they have]?Most will all have a bit of this and that so in NO WAY cheaper...Also wouldnt be very concious to sudenly put away all what you have, just to have that PRE to be able to call ones self a REAL REGGAE SOUND!!!!!!!! The PRE doesnt make the sound better AT ALL in many ways worse!!!What can you do with a PRE that you cannot do with a collection of equipment????
All this HYPE is about gaining a SALE fe REAL........ Make me think of JESUS and kicking them all out of the church!!
If these PREs are that HIGH quality the price is quite cheap mind you i have my doubts there as well!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes quality or a far cry from CRAP ,i dont doubt and you can often meet the makers so should get service BIG UP THERE..... But keep it REAL how different are the components compaired to lets say a BERRY? They must be getting there transistors quit cheap BULK BUYING and that........
All the MAKE name mentioned earlier how much do you pay for the NAME and HYPE??????
A RASTA sound that promote this HYPE in my oppinion is no beter than the SYSTEM they call so bad..I mean its just a different system with a different AGENDA but the intention remains the SAME..........................Granted you have another group of people holding the rains of power both SYSTEMS are not JAH!!
more time
andy
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Posted By: wasup
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 5:23am
Basically WHAT THE SUCK has that got to do with YOU? BEt your hollier than HOLLY.
However to answer you question YES ALL OF THEM ...............I have thousands of records YES i recorded some! YEs i have payed to download! YES MY own cds!AND YES I DOWN LOAD FOR FREE.................SO WHAT? TEll me about it I have owned a reggae record shop come culture/merchandise/coffie shop .
The reason i called my sound what i did is BECAUSE OF PEOPLE NOT UNLIKE YOURSELF!!!! you are the point i was trying to make so BIG UP AND THANX FE THAT!
What about suporting a sound ? I mean its all one way unless you have a wooly hat and buy your herb from the right grower!Perhaps CLONING ones views on the cleches and stigmas that are around would HELP .....
NA me i do what i have to do in the best way i can answer TO NO MAN only the MOST HIGH........................ SO COME DOWN OF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND CHECK YOURSELF......................
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Posted By: mskeete
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 9:17am
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wassup, you seen to like to take these discussions where they doubt need to go (well at least not in this thread) - woolly hats and rasta and weed and helping a next sound........
You've seen at least one open invite on this forum to sounds to come and play in walsall
Did you follow it through? (all I saw on the forum from you was a largely less than positive response)
It's IC's you'll find in JTS and my preamps not transistors. I use one transistor and that's for the output muting circuit. Some of circuits are quite close to what you find in name brand 'pro' equipment - e.g phono stage
You understand electronics don't you ?
Go to the rane website and check out some of the circuit diagrams that they are kind enough to put in the public domain and tell me what's so special and check the IC's they use - nothing exoctic or too expensive, check out some mackie, neeve or whoever
Same sort of thing so what is it that's "close to crap" in a preamp
If you want to back up your statements with technical talk then I'm here. If you want to drag more politics into the discussion then I'll go and read something else on the forum
you seem to have a thing about preamps - maybe too many people been telling that you HAVE to have one and you 'rebeled' - good for you
Buying components in bulk just starts to make sense when you have a certain amount of things to build. If I can get the SAME component cheaper if I buy 100+ or 500+ and I know they get used up then why buy 50 and pay more per part
Computers aren't perfect and there is more to go wrong in a computer than in a analog piece of equipment. If you knew all the sh*t involved to just get the OS to boot (maybe you do) never mind running an application then you might think twice about playing aout with one
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Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 9:57am
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Basically WHAT THE SUCK has that got to do with YOU? BEt your hollier than HOLLY.
However to answer you question YES ALL OF THEM ...............I have thousands of records YES i recorded some! YEs i have payed to download! YES MY own cds!AND YES I DOWN LOAD FOR FREE.................SO WHAT? TEll me about it I have owned a reggae record shop come culture/merchandise/coffie shop .
The reason i called my sound what i did is BECAUSE OF PEOPLE NOT UNLIKE YOURSELF!!!! you are the point i was trying to make so BIG UP AND THANX FE THAT!
What about suporting a sound ? I mean its all one way unless you have a wooly hat and buy your herb from the right grower!Perhaps CLONING ones views on the cleches and stigmas that are around would HELP .....
NA me i do what i have to do in the best way i can answer TO NO MAN only the MOST HIGH........................ SO COME DOWN OF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND CHECK YOURSELF..
Give thanks Mskeete. the thing is almost every where I read people talk negative about someone doing something positive , and I say this cause I don´t just play I promote and produce so it hurts when people just download music for free an play from their comp it´s not right. And I never said I was perfect I only try to do what I feel is right for all. I don´t have time to make everything so I work and buy if i play a cd its´ cause you can´t find it on lp or 45´s or our owe production. about cloning I´ve been growin am owe since I came to europe 90% of what I smoke is home grown. No hard feelings Rasta don´t steal ,Rasta don´t beg. ask you´l get advise how wrong can you go. Sorry everybody I know this is not the place for this , but I don´t like negative vibes  |
Posted By: ToNy MoNtAnA
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 10:12am
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Basically it's all down to how the sound is run. Although there is still such a thing as crap gear if it won't do the job, doesnt last or does the job poorly. And also if you try and get something thats not made to do the task at hand, it's gonna suck at it. Although theres nothing wrong with using something different as a personal preference to be unique.But as long as the crowd get impressed. You could have a FK1 system but it would sound crap due to the sh*t operator. An example of that is the Valve Sound System. Decent system but idiots running it. A pre-amp in the reggae scene can make a reggae sound, better, if you know how to operate it correctly to fit in with the tunes played,etc. But it's not essential, as Jah Voice don't have one, but sound heavyweight and play decent tunes so the crowd loves them. But if you want to be a traditional reggae sound system with sirens and fx etc, you need a pre-amp like JTS or mostec. |
Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 10:50am
| Yes Tony M I hear you thats always been the way I sees it 19years we´ve played on normal speakers and just a normal mixer and the dance nice ,always have a crowd of people. we just want to upgrade now so we got a JTS preamp , haven´t used it yet we plan on running a 4 way system I let you know how it goes. biggup |
Posted By: wasup
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 11:24am
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 11:45am
Its not about lack of money im just not really interested in getting a JTS or a MOSTECH, i dont feel i have the need for one, personally i think my controls on my mixer, graphic equaliser and crosover are plenty useful.
The only reason i got this berry job was coz it looked cheap for what it is and i wanted to experiment with the advantages/disadvantages of a parametric,
I think all stuff from berry is crap/cheap for a reason (budget/starter) I tried one of theyre amp once with my subs n they sounded sh*t, floppy and uncontrolled i actually thought my subs were rubbish !! good thing i didnt damage them.
I tested a mates mostech 4 way not to long ago and IMO it wasnt nuthing speacial, but thats my honest opinion!
The point of this post was exactly as stated on page 1, it wasnt to degrade anybody or prove whos betta but simply to find out what people thought and get some feedback/advice
Yet again thanks for your input Tony  ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: wasup
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 11:49am
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Posted By: ToNy MoNtAnA
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 11:59am
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Well I guess it started from Jah Shaka. Who is the legendary, the best ever selector for roots and dub. And he uses a pre-amp. And everyone wanted to be as good as selector like him, but no one yet can. But then again he uses KT88 valves and a Garad turntable, so why doesn't most sounds use that too... I guess cos they don't want to try copy Shaka entirely. And be more unique. I'm not entirely sure before Shaka who started in the early 70's. If anyone alse used a pre amp before that time. Studio One might have. I was born in the early 80's. Maybe someone born in the 60's whos into reggae could say. |
Posted By: wasup
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 12:21pm
I aint agianst YOU M ! You should know that? I tell anyone who want a PRE to go to YOU so lol WASUP?????
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Posted By: DUBPLATE
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 2:05am
if u like wat u hear
u got a followin
u makin money
it hasnt cost u too much to get wat u want
carry on doin wat u want till u can afford to buy beta stuff
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Posted By: King Simeon
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 2:01pm
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I think there are two points in answer to the original question, both have been expressed, so its clear it just down to opinion/preference.
You can work out any set up to run a sound, you could use fifty different pieces of equipment to run it thru. Many sounds to the day are still playing round with different ways of setting up. Thats the 'fun' of sound system. Whether you can hear much difference.....? I've not heard anything that drastic to make me think its all that worthwhile.
The pre amp makes running a whole heap of equipment simple. The ammount of technicals every sound has, its handy to have signals as straight forward to trace/control. As i see it the pre amp is the ideal custom built solution, fed from experience since the begininngs of sound system. If you have any way different to run sound, thats choice, and also a natural development in running sound. There are no rules.
Personally, i couldn't run it without a pre. I dont have enough technical knowledge to know how to make a set up that is cheaper and as effective, and good; to my ears. I remember Tubbys played a session in Nottingham, think it was with Smith & Mighty. Tubbys took about 12k and S&M(!!) had somthing like 60!!! Tubbys out weighted comfortably. There are countless stories similar, ie. Boomshackalacka sound, their spec stood up to others with a lot bigger. Simple things, no secret buttons/units business.
Bottom line, it's what you do with what you got. Personally Jah Voice spent a whole heap of money on equipment, but i get no flavour from their sound. All productions sound the same thru their set, lack 'character'. I like to hear 'difference', ruff around the edges is part of the music, check the cycle of old hardware/sounds coming back in vogue in productions. Also it should be noted that a lot of material played on sounds as dubplate are often un-mastered, its difficult to 'shine a turd'. Again, character, if the vibes are there, which is the reason it gets to reach a session as a special dub, let it runnnnnn same way! I still look forward to developments with Voice, they're making a lot more of their own tunes and full respect for that. It's only my preference on their sound, i'm just more keen on hearing more of their productions, there's a lot of experience in there.
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 4:26pm
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Respect King Simeon for your opinion ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |