What is the fault with SCOOPS
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Topic: What is the fault with SCOOPS
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Subject: What is the fault with SCOOPS
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 5:05pm
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I hear all this talk about scoops being this, that and the other. I guess you either love them or hate them. But in simple terms what is the fault in them?
Do they cancell certain frequencies? What is the perfect Xover points for scoops?
We have 6 ASS RX18s and I find they play best cut at 70hz- 80hz, but they always surprise me. They can be playing some tunes and hardly doing a thing and then suddenly a tune comes on and the whole place is shaking.
we have 2 ASS MX121s which are like a triangle shaped scoop they seem to be alot more consistent.
We also have 2 old shortman scoops 1984 and they seem to play everything consistent but no where near as defined in quality.
Has someone got some graphs or simple explanations.
Rog described Scoops as more of an instrument than a speaker, due to there frequency responce. What are your comments Scoop people?
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Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 5:09pm
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Dont quote us on the date of the Shortman's, its what the guy who sold them us said. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:21pm
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To quote rog from about 5 years ago
"As to scoops, I never use them, never have and never will, they sound sh*t, dont even go there. The output of the scoop is out of phase from the driver so you will never get a good sound"
Since then he has put plans for the superscoopers on the forum and designed the SL scoop and a driver specifically for it, he did comment on I think 12 a side gave a good sound outdoors, but then again thats 12 a side, not many horn loaded cabs are going to give a bad sound with that many
Stu ------------- All you need to know is: Sensitivity + Power Handling - Power Compression = Max Output My acts: www.myspace.com/thebowiexperience www.myspace.com/scheisseelektronisches |
Posted By: Chris I Rockas
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:29pm
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I'll tell you what's wrong with my S118s. They are phenomenal in the 30 - 40Hz region and they overshadow everything else. When they play those frequencies the venue makes more noise in vibration and rattling than the sound heard from the cabinet. What a problem! Needless to say, mine are NOT for sale.  ------------- Think you can, you will. Think you can't, you won't. |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:30pm
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he also stated that for dub hed have one scoop rather then 20 front loaded horns ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:33pm
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It's all about the music played on them for me...
Scoops are part of the history and heritage of the roots / dub reggae scene, they pretty much always have been, and I think always will be.
In a Purely technical sense I think the design is flawed for the reason Rog states in the quote above, however the sound they do produce is ideal, and indeed part of the reggae sound system "sound" and because of this simply cannot and should not be replaced (enhanced maybe : dubsub / hog scoop).
For a true and accurate frequency response for live / most prerecorded music I would (and have) look at other designs.. if your a roots/ reggae sound system and you want to have the authentic sound (and appearance, lets face it)... it's got to be scoops.
and I do love the way 4 well designed / built / loaded scoops will wobble you guts and flap your trouser legs... like only scoops seam able to.
I have stood right infront of a doube FK1 Infrabass Horn, like right infront, inside the barrier right in front, leaning on it..in the main dance tent at glasto.. and I think I have percieved heavier bass infront of Jah Tubbys stack - actual SPL dunno).
Just my 2ps worth.
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:42pm
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I will only say a couple of things here. Speakers are signal dependent and when I read some of the results people get, I do wonder what on earth the're doing sometimes. I can take anyone to a certain club in north London and there you will see 4 scoops per side stacked sideways used in a 3 way system straight into MX600 mid hi cabs. X\O point 120hz. They have a consistant sound and demonstrate( to me anyway) that these cabs are a great one to have if you only have bass and not bass plus sub bass. The problem is, whose cabs are we going to listen to if we want to decide whether these cabs in principal are good or not so good. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 10:11pm
Lets look at the characteristics of a scoop then to say whats good about it, essentially its a direct radiating woofer, most often an 18" coupled to a long flared port - the woofer alone has its set frequency response mainly based around the chamber directly behind it. The characteristics of a direct radiating woofer are a high audible distortion level in the upper bass which tends to make the bass seem aggressive or middly and tends to subdue the perception of the subbass the woofer is also putting out.
Couple to that now a longish rear loaded horn and you potentially have the recipe for a fine sounding cab, the direct radiator gives the grunt and the horn gives the meat.
However its all in the execution. A badly designed expansion of ANY horn whether rear loaded or not is going to give peaks and nulls, and potentially some honk. Couple to that the ability to need to keep the driver in phase and it probably makes the scoop one of the most difficult to get perfect and I see a lot of scoops that look like they belong in a dustbin.
Somewhere you will get compromises, and most of the time because of the nature of a scoops design its in the unlikely area of the midbass when you use small numbers of cabs, unlike most other horns which end up getting compromised in the sub bass region.
The reason for this is obviously because you have the woofer radiating some of the same frequencies as the port, out of phase (once the sound has travelled the length of the horn)
This is why I suspect Rog has never really liked the sound of a scoop, because its inherant phase problems irritate him, since you cant correct such problems with EQ. I expect people like Tony who probably doesnt worry as much about that and just listens doesnt have such a big problem with them as they still sound ok and have a particular sound that just works for that full toned reggae bassline (high up on the E or A strings)
On their downside for the size of the box the output you get is very limited, and from a pure SPL perspective there are much better cabs out there (better transient response, better extension etc etc.) however that may not be such a good thing when playing the music these scoops were designed for as in my experience it tends to be less breakneck D&B and more chilled, smooth, or at the very most stomping dance tempo (correct me if im wrong cos I dont listen to much of that stuff)
However I think you guys who are listening to dubstep or the more modern musics should consider something different, from what I hear there is a much larger subbass content in this music which might benefit from a split bass range with good transients for the kick and plenty of uninterrupted smooth sub for the low end
Stu ------------- All you need to know is: Sensitivity + Power Handling - Power Compression = Max Output My acts: www.myspace.com/thebowiexperience www.myspace.com/scheisseelektronisches |
adambomb wrote:Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 10:37pm
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According to this site the Scoop is the most contreversial speaker ever. So what is it. does it cancell in certain frequencys or not. There is so much smoke about them so explain the fire. Or are we just dealin with a smoke machine. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 10:47pm
Are you sure about this stu? the reason why the scoop boys love there scoops is cos they are so loud... they might sound dirty/unaccurate but they are loud.
Which cabs do you feel would out perform scoops in a pure spl situation?
PS i didnt used to but i love scoops now. ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 10:58pm
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I think they give the perception of being really loud... that and true SPL are 2 different things. ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:00pm
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I have only been using P.A equipment from September last year. And when I set up in most venues the owner is on my case in less than an hour. So my time for experimenting and learning is limited. I am messing around with my LMS during the set, with the DJ twiddling his mixer at the same time. So please give me some figures some advice. X/O POINTS. EQ SHAPES. I have no decent equipment for measuring yet. SO MY REAL QUESTION IS? WHAT IS THE IDEAL X/OVER POINTS AND THE IDEAL EQ SHAPE TO GET THE BEST PERFORMANCE OUT OF A SCOOP BIN. Or is that learned and not passed down in this contreversial speaker enviroment. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:01pm
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Loudspeaker Management System. for all you inuendo sickos. Just read it back to myself. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:02pm
 (I didnt know it could stand for anything else.. am I missing out?)
If it's any help I have read on here it's best to cross them very low.. 60hz.. lower even.. this is from memory... you might find the posts with the search button.
Stu.. was that what I said but a wordier version? seamed so to me. ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:11pm
how are they different? we arent playing music for computers to enjoy!!! or enjoy processing and giving a nice plot. thats just for the benefit of us speaker gimps. pll just want to be hit by bass and scoop do this... most other cabs would run out of steam trying to compete with 2/3 scoops ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:24pm
So when you have bass plus Sub bass what happens. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:27pm
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ok... another example.. Jah Tubbys V ninebar stack at nottinghill.
I have stood infront of both... jah tubbys @ about 0.5m - 1m.. Labs @ about 1.5m - 2m (at the barrier).
Jah tubbys had 4 scoops in each stack, ninebar stack was 12 labs.
Standing infront of jah tubbys moves your guts, blurs your vision and stirs your belly BUT the sound is no longer an acurate representation of the original recording (some of this will be down to EQ, others du to the design of the box)... BUT this distortion / coloration of the sound just so happens to suit the music.
Standing infront of the labs, ok slightly greater distance, but 3 times as many cabs... still stupidly loud (of course) but not giving the same full body massage the jah tubbys stack does... however the sound is very smooth / clear effortless and honest and the percieved volume level is almost the same 20m back... infact I could still feel the ninebar stack at the other end of a very long road.. and it was still over powering the rigs / floats I was close to...
Jah tubbys on the other hand... step 10 - 15m out and it's not all that anymore.
I do agree about the computer comment tho... we make speakers to listen to music on.. not to measure... that's why I think scoops are fantastic for the right music / scene.
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:29pm
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When I was out with our systems back in the days of rave, we earnt a fortune. We were successfull because we gave the promotors what they wanted. A brutally clear hard hitting sound that would pin you against the back wall. Everthing was horn loaded, not a scoop bin insight. I'm also reminded that when Bob Marley toured, he played through a coventional Rock and Roll system. Makes you think, doesn't it. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:29pm
Isn't 60hz and bellow Sub Bass. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:32pm
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yup... that's what they do best! ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:38pm
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At Birmingham Carnival this year. New Sensation sound carried out 8 S118 scoop bins in two stacks of 4. Luv Injection Carried out 24 recently made scoops, 12 aside. Klark Teknik, with these purple F something amps plus Crest to the teeth. You could stand by Luv injection and still hear the Sub of New sensation. So yes I know its all about shaping the sound. So is there a recomended formula. Or do I have to live and learn. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:47pm
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gotta play with your tunes.. find the ones that make the system sing... tweak your crossover settings and eq.. I think the only way you will find out is to experiment... and not be scared to blow a driver or 2 in the learning process. ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:49pm
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------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
not all of us get them free mate!Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:51pm
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You know what if people just want to be hit by bass then why are you not number 1 with your sub 30Hz test track? Granted you are correct somewhat which is why the music industry is in a mess and doesnt know what to put out, because people are slowly becoming mindless automatons who no longer listen to music they just listen to the alcohol or drugs they happen to be off their ticks on at the time. Fortunately its only the UK that seems to be in the grip of devolution. From my perspective its all about the amount of SPL that can be achieved from a box of a certain size. If I turn up with 3 scoops or 3 HD15s and a couple of labs (basically a similar size), which one am I going to get an overally better sound from in your opinion?
Well I tell you what I think will happen, id set up the scoops and try and play hard dance, then id think, gee these things sound really slow and heavy and arent really digging it for me. Then id set up the HDs and try and play some dub and think, these cabs dont have any soul. Then id set up the labs corner loaded underneath them and play some D&B and think, my god this is heaven.
Bottom line is if I want to play a variety of musical styles through the rig, I have a lot more scope if I choose the 2 way bass option, I can adjust the levels of kick and sub independently for the style of music, I get uninterupted sub bass from the labs and a hard kick from the HDs that can always be tamed on the LMS and made to sound the way I want it.
If I just have scoops I dont have those benefits. If you only play one type of music you dont need those benefits and the decision is made. The majority of my work (98%) comes from live bands so I need a cab that will do live bands well - the majority of it is above 40Hz, I have space limitations. I make my compromise choice based on those criteria.
Stu ------------- All you need to know is: Sensitivity + Power Handling - Power Compression = Max Output My acts: www.myspace.com/thebowiexperience www.myspace.com/scheisseelektronisches |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 12:00am
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actaully Stu.. i think you will find that alot of scoops are now run as part of a 4 way setup... many now have HDs above... they are used purely as subs with upper bass cabs in most cases.
But I do see what your saying.. anything faster on a scoop used in a 3 way config sounds very woolie and slow. ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 12:34am
Good multiway is better ------------- All you need to know is: Sensitivity + Power Handling - Power Compression = Max Output My acts: www.myspace.com/thebowiexperience www.myspace.com/scheisseelektronisches |
Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 12:52am
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Scoops are application specific. They work for reggae, DnB and from the little I've heard, pretty well with dubstep. Technically the are flawed, and there are many many cabs out there that have prettier looking responses. However, I've only heard 1 or 2 that can almost knock you off your feet the way scoops can. A good snippet from everyones favourite forumite  :
Make sure you turn something else in the signal chain down if you're doing this, unless your LMS has amazing headroom. Signal generators are good. Sweeps around your bass section will help pick out any nasty humps. Personally, when EQing I like to cut from the graphic and turn something else up. Whatever works. ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:37am
Unfortunately, there is no 1x18 cab around, that provides the sensitivity of a scoop, and the accuracy of a folded horn. I tried desiging a worthwhile 2x18 WSX with scoop like SPL in 1x cab, but 90% of people on here advised against it. If I had things my way, I would love to do all my gigs inside and out with 2x stacks of 6 WSX; I love this cab. Unfortunately, I have witnessed many times what 2x stacks of 3 scoops can do, even in huge halls. So if I turn up with 12 folded horns to most large gigs, customers are gonna ask me why so many cabs, even worse, see 12 cabs, and expect 12 scoops worth of SPL.. Then come over to me at the end of the gig, and say how some crew came in with 1/2 the cabs, and sounded much heavier. They won't be impressed at how clean and accurately the music was reproduced. So the options for me will be: medium to large venues is 4x scoops or 8 folded horns, large/outside venues either 8x scoops, or 12 folded horns. However, I'm sure "n" folded horns @ 1k each will be fine for any corporate gig. As they are often full of people who listen to hi end hifi outside work hours. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 2:05am
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Because there are some bad scoops out there and bad users of scoops you have to hear a good scoop in good hands, that'll make you smile Chris I rokas, you did sell some of your scoops if i remember? wasn't dansound selling them for you? so you hung on to a few ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: Chris I Rockas
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 7:04am
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Mykey, I got a bit disillusioned a few years back and put everything up for sale, but fortunately no one bought them. They are all safely in storage waiting for my next session. ------------- Think you can, you will. Think you can't, you won't. |
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 7:25am
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Now I listen to reggae and play it when setting up, but most of the people I am hiring to now play a mix Rnb, Hip Hop, Bashment, garage and Drum and Bass. So what I really need to do is load up my folded 15s and work it four way. cutting the scoops at say 75Hz with a nice hump around 63Hz. playing the folded 15s from 75Hz up to say 180Hz. Or would the folded 15s be overlapped as they can run down as low as 40Hz or would this not be advisable.
Remember the next time I will be able to experiment will probably be half hour before the gig starts. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:22am
So that's what they were using
They were definately heavy all over the park. Sounded clear as day from in front the stage whilst the performances were on.
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:30am
Live performances were playing thru scoops? What was overall sub/bass like? ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:41am
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New Sensation were running 8 of the ASS S118s off 2 Crown VZ5002s they had a mix of links, behringer JTS stuff, all thrown together. There mid and tops kept cutting out though. Where as luv injection were probably clearer on mid and tops than, the Line array they were using by the main stage. Just didn't like the way they had processed there Sub-bass. They keep it clean but not deep and low. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:45am
Thought someone said recently, Luv Injection had switched to FFA amps? ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:47am
Nope! they was a main stage there a good distance from the marquee which house New Sensation system
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Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:49am
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Thats the ASS scoops. when they play, to me they are so clear and defined. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:49am
Nope - Running both FFA & Crests for a few years now
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Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:50am
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Im quite sure the main stage was an EAW system. two stacks of Nine folded something or other. and two line arrays of mid and tops. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:51am
| A next reggae sound system who normally rumble up the place with ASS scoops is Lord Gelly's. Serious system! |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:53am
Did you take a listen to it ? Cause whatever it was it sounded like sh*t!
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Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:53am
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Although at times Wayne Irie could have been mistaken for a stage show. The way he was jumping round the amp boxes. Very entertaining though. Alot of times he wont stop talking over the tunes and kills the vibe for me, but at carnival I was quite impressed. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:55am
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Yeah,I wasn't impressed either. I walked round and it sounded even. just evenly sh*t. The perfect set for me would of been. New Sensation Subs with Luv Injections Mid/Tops. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:58am
Fe real - That would make a perfect match
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 11:11am
4 x 18''s against 24 x 12''s
Maybe with JTS - I've mentioned before, I once heard a system called Logic using 8 of Mykey's Wattco scoops on a stage in Burgess Park Sth London.
Trust me, since that day, I ain't heard bass like that ever again from scoops outdoors. None of my mates could believe what we heard from the main road on approach to the park, & that distance I couldn't even measure it was so far away.
That's why the reggae man dem ain't letting go some certain types of scoops!
Big up yourself B, who have them scoops right now & ain't gonna let them go.
If Mykey gives me a chance to hear the DubSub one day, I'm sure it'll be something for me to remember. But everytime I ask him bout it, I get no response.
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Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 11:43am
Design has moved on since the WSX mainly due to people wanting lots of low bass - hence the development of the labsub, the WSX isnt really any better than an 1850 in terms of extension. I think people are finally realising that having vast amounts of 30Hz isnt really that useful to you, since there isnt a lot going on down there anyway and you need exponential amounts of power to get that frequency up to the same level as the others, as far as I am concerned so long as you have something of a fundamental present even if its 10dB quieter it still has an effect on your perception of the subbass, if it isnt there at all (such as with a single CV folded horn) the sound is far less likely to fool you into thinking there is more subbass than there is. This is why I think the BFM Titans are doing so well - look at the response, nice peak at 100Hz, smoothly descending to a fundamental at 42Hz which is a lot quieter, yet a lot of DJs are using them over the Tubas (which were designed for that purpose). I would be willing to bet that the Titans actually work quite well for old skool reggae and dancehall.
As mykey says stick a boost at 63Hz and your perception of a fat warm tubby sounding bass will go up exponentially.
As to using folded horns vs scoops, scoops are always going to appear louder up close, the scoop has the edge in the upper bass because of the direct radiating driver causing more distortion. Its also going to be kicking air at your chest level from having the driver elevated and its going to have a myriad of phase problems in the bass/midbass region with the horn and driver interacting which is going to give a very sludgy sound which may well be just right for some types of music
The benefits of a scoop I think are best used in an indoor confined space up close, I get the feeling unless you have enough of them to form a sufficient boundary you dont get quite the same effect a few metres away outdoors. The combination of features of a scoop I am sure do make it suitable for some types of music. But the aim of a speaker system designer is to design a system which is able to reproduce the music you feed it accurately and a scoop does not (and indeed is not designed) to do this, which makes this genre, and this cab somewhat unique which is why it will continue to remain.
Stu ------------- All you need to know is: Sensitivity + Power Handling - Power Compression = Max Output My acts: www.myspace.com/thebowiexperience www.myspace.com/scheisseelektronisches |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:01pm
Not quite correct, 2x WSX will easily reach 40hz with decent amps, and low cut at 80hz. Many clubs use WSX in pairs with no perceivable lack of sub. 7ft vers 5.5ft horn.
Yes, however decent scoops in pairs reach down to 35hz effortlessly, so driving them with beasty like 9001 or VZ500 is not really an issue here. Also increasing amounts of dancehall, rnb, hip hop have plenty of 32-40hz action going on, to the point of your system sounding lacking if it can't reproduce at least downto 35hz @ -6db.
To be quite honest, 63hz is really for the 1980's and upto mid 1990's. Modern scoops excel in the 40-50hz, because it sounds much lower than it is, and impacts limbs and buildings. They also excel playing Old skool reggae. As I said before, the only other 1x18 cab I can say the same of is the WSX.
Try reading the carnival thread to hear what the ASS, V18-1000 scoopers sounded like outside, in "small stacks", and from distance. "Most" Sound systems have moved on from valve amps to stuff like Crest, Crown, Void, Chevin, because they do the job more efficiently. If scoops were only any good close up or indoors, Most Sound systems would have moved on from them to folded horns, and you wouldnt hear scoops at carnival every year, getting louder and deeper, further away. Also, not everyone knows how to correctly drive and tune scoops for their optimum performance. Therefore only ardent soundsystem designers/followers, who have attended many gigs, will know exactly what scoops can do, and where they are best used. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:52pm
 still love those twin cones me------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 2:06pm
spend to much time bitching with HBL
and I don't like doing that, I'm playing a game as well as other people on here
called stoking the fire when it gets low
i hope HBL is as well, just gets out of hand sometimes, makes me fill sh*t, thats why I'm addicted to running, i just run off all the crap.
talking of running, i must recomend you put on a decent pair of headphones and play
Creedence Clearwater 'born on the bayou' very loud
even the black members will be converted actualy this could be good, I/we will think of some great rock tunes and to try and convert you and you give us some rare grooves that we have never heard of to convert us
well i already love dub but would like to hear some rare stuff? ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 7:52pm
Would love to catch them before the crowd arrives. ------------- TAIL LIFT |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 26 November 2007 at 9:29pm
Strictly 40 & 50hz for roots reggae music! Too much 63Hz punch too high therefore we use it for upper/high bass.
I only heard a stack of Labs at London Carnival, but personally, although it sound good & very loud, it weren't low enough & I preferred the sound of the double 18's on the NCA system.
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Posted By: Insomnia
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 2:45pm
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Hey Tek check this wheeel out
it just came in
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Posted By: josh
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 2:52pm
| as far as wheels go that one is pretty ghetto |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 2:56pm
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You know I love wheels - Double & braked eh! Is that 50mm or 75mm ? don't they come in blue ? They gotta match mate.
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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 2:58pm
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100mm for cabs Tek ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 3:11pm
| All the way |
Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 4:26pm
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can you get them with chrome spinners fitted? ------------- 
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