DUB CONFERENCE Pt 9 29/12/07
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Topic: DUB CONFERENCE Pt 9 29/12/07
Posted By: mullisgod
Subject: DUB CONFERENCE Pt 9 29/12/07
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 3:46pm
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Posted By: DUBPLATE
Date Posted: 25 December 2007 at 11:54am
very strange big session like this & not a single comment made
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mullisgod wrote:Posted By: King Simeon
Date Posted: 25 December 2007 at 12:44pm
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Should be a good one, no big stacks to hide behind, pure mic and music!!
Back to the basics, so will be a good one to catch, vibes!
Making the journey up for this one. I'm sure a few peps are gonna make the effort too.
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Posted By: mskeete
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 6:14pm
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how you getting up there - I'm on the scrounge for a lift
if not it's megabus
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Posted By: King Simeon
Date Posted: 29 December 2007 at 10:58am
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Well, i did have a lift planned, they pulled out yesterday!
So my next chance is only a one way. I just looked at the trains for return... not bad on price, but over three hours!! And thats after the session finishes early, long wait for first transport..... bearing in mind possible taxi from station to venue....
Things are not looking good... I'm now extending my arm out with a thumb fully flexed!
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Posted By: mskeete
Date Posted: 29 December 2007 at 12:28pm
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I just booked with national express - £15 return from Birmingham because I thought they didn't go to walsall. Turns out that they do so I called them up and it's the same coach I was going to get anyway. £2.30 extra to get to walsall.
Have to get the train back from Birmingham at 05:00 I should be able to get a lift from walsall to Birmingham (famous last words) or wait until after 7am for the first train from walsall
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Posted By: mskeete
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 9:05am
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nation express return ticket to birmingham - £15
some oily food resembling chicken and chips as the coach was delayed - £3.99
ticket extension from birmingham to walsall - £2.30 ( although the driver let me off)
mp3 player to pass the time on the coach - £29
minicab from walsall coach station to the session - £5 - footnav failed to function
entry to the session - £5
2 J2O - £3 - (£1.50 each)
Mark Iration and Ras Tred exchanging words - priceless
For everything else, there's debit card
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Posted By: joseph
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 10:51am
too much TV mark !!
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Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 11:32am
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mark i think you should also write a book
a rough guide to dub raving
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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 12:04pm
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Thats where your going wrong Mark, you need to get up there earlier and chillout in one of those cheap hotel/motel like formula1
go to the gig after having showered and watched the porn channel, and enjoy yourself knowing that you can pull a bit of fluff and take her back for another rumpy pumpy session
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Posted By: mullisgod
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 1:05pm
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Posted By: mskeete
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 1:14pm
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Yes mullisgod, big up for the lift back to the coach station. I owe you one |
Posted By: mullisgod
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 1:25pm
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Bring dem 2 the next session..
Gimme someting 2 do when i get bored of digital dub AGAIN!! ------------- U can RUN.. BUT U CAN'T HIDE! www.themidrange.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 3:22pm
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How did this go down? would love to have reached.
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Posted By: PISSHEAD
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 5:27pm
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Good dance overall a brilliant ending to the year, Both sounds sounded on top form, Iration using the Fane 'Turbo max' and Void infi8 v2 amps. Could hear the difference in bass tones from the 1850 and the turbo max. Turbo max sounding the best much more rounder bass than the rugged 1850s. Both sounds playing with four scoops. Things turned quite hectic when mark accidentally turned on his set while Jah Voice was playing and was then lynched verbally by Ras Tread who reminded us all of how many years he had been on the seen etc etc.. then as things progressed there was comical exchanged of words by both guys which resulted in Ras Tread dissing SuB Dub promotions in Leeds of which Mark is Proprietor of. Mark suggested 'one for one from now on' and then continued playing dub plate selection of Horace Andy and counteracting what Ras Tread was saying. Making it clear that he was not dissing Jah Voice but Ras Tread. Ras Tread continued with his big ego saying why 'Mark was a lone man in the soundsytem scene' and that true sound men have a team. Mark then retaliated by saying that great sounds like 'Shaka' Aba' are lone operators and what was the problem. Ras Tread then told the crowd that Mark had to upgrade his sound to play against Jah Voice and something about moving a flightcase around, of which Mark said that how did he know when he wasn't present at the dance making Ras Tread look stupid again. What is the problem with the man Ras Tread?...is he always looking for a fight or what?. I don't wish to be biased but enough is enough... who invented wireless microphones should be shot....lol Good selection overall Iration playing a dubplate utilizing Bunny Wailers 'rise and shine' bassline A Jr Delgado ' fort augustus dubplate, - Mighty Massa dub, and a Aswad rework of an instumental - ending the dance with Makaya & Ras Kuntus dubplate. ------------- The 'drunken master' strikes again. |
Posted By: King Simeon
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 6:38pm
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Thanks for the report pisshead!
Totally agree with you about the radio mic comment, I'm sure it could work, but from having a lot of respect for Tread, he's done a good job of putting me right off. He cant talk of wisdom and respect anymore, from what i hear he played up to the crowd, creating quite an unpleasant atmos/lions den. Not dissimilar from how he was with MaKaya. Heard Jah Voice played some dubs, interested to hear where they were from. Look forward to hearing a copy of the session as music sounds on top from both sounds, and some not often heard specials from mark. Good to hear sounds standing up for themselves, amongst talk of promoters and their agendas. |
Posted By: PISSHEAD
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 6:48pm
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Thanks for the reply, I think Jah Voice can do justice to themselves now by getting rid off Tread. I think the Herbs might have got to him . As he says..'' Jah Voice the people choice'' .....well he's not my choice if fact a de-motion to a box boy might be suffice. This leading me to thought of has there ever been a soundsystem having a female mic/singer controller?... I do believe that Jah Voice played a King Earthquake dub and one from their engineer and legend ' Wooligan' (Mind Insurgent promotions) I think that's how you spell it. I also belive that Jah Voices management is less inclined to play their own engineer 'Wooligan' productions. The scandal get's deeper......... ------------- The 'drunken master' strikes again. |
Posted By: mskeete
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 12:50am
| I know Jah Voice have a pile of tune but I think they were holding back during the 1 for 1 section. One day, I might hear two sounds go head for head and actually play their best tunes |
Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 3:08am
Really? Why would you do that against Iration? You know say man have dub like Rice! ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: King Simeon
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 3:35am
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He he!!!!!!!!!
You said it first mskeete!!!!!!!! I've no doubt that each sound held back most tunes. But we are a minority who know they have so much more. But it seems like the days of playing tunes like that have long gone. I have given up hope of hearing many of those tunes, at least one after another after another! I'd say about seven plus yrs. Its disappointing, but as i've mentioned before, i quite complaining and built a studio and am finishing a sound to try and push more music, and not hold back anything, and tune wise i'm not talking lightweight bussiness. Enough sounds are coming in new and they won't be in a position to hold back either. People should be positive for the new sounds out there as well as enjoying the biggest of the day. They've all worked it to where they are. |
Posted By: Ras Elder
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 8:12am
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P Head and King Simeon, do you overstand what is geooww !!?
That is what Ras Tread was doing and thats what he does, it is you guys who should not come to the next one, because it is not you flavour.
That was the fullest I have seen that hall, why? because thats what InI wanted.
That has been missing a long time from dances, no arms house just geooww, like back in the day, when dance done man and man hold a drink, laugh and joke.
So please dont come on the internet and try dis people without overstanding. Mark and Ras Tread, give thanks to you for giving InI Queen nuff enjoyment, and especially Ones and Ones who turn out in full effect.
So P Head and King Simeon, please dont come to the next Iration/Jah Voice in Walsall, I will ask Judah to set up 2 free passes for the next University of Dub for you instead.
ps. mskeete...tune: Brooklyn Ghetto Rock (Keety Roots/Black Legacy Dubplate)
Rastafari lives and Reigns
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Posted By: mskeete
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 9:09am
basmati, tilda easy cook or uncle bens?
Some of the tunes from both sounds were a bit too 2 minute microwave
Don't get me wrong, I had a good time I was entertained and I'm glad I went.
Ras Elder, is that tune due for release at some point
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Posted By: Ras Elder
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 11:30am
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Yes mskeete, 2008 at some point... its sounded better than some of the tunes we heard that night. I asked Johno and Mark to keep that session in the same place every 2 months, we would definately travel, would not business who or what session was taking place.
Jah Voice took it in the earlys, with Ras Tread baiting Mark, but them switched rolls with Jah Voice playing instrumentals and Iration drawing some HEAVY vocal scorchers towards the end, Raspect Mark.
Mskeete, was that REALLY a Muffet tune as Mark said? Bwwoy.
I will not mention my lack of knowledge of anothers cultural expression, therefore not being able to comment on it, but inform. After consulting with higher authority, I can inform you that geooww is what called "P" taking! not to be confused with "P" Head. LLOL
It was something that is still part of Sound System culture, but has been replaced by the dub version in the "Roots and Culture" circuit.
No disrespect, but "each one teach one" (as Ras Tread said).
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Posted By: mskeete
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 12:00pm
| yep, pretty sure that was a muffet tune. You didn't lke that one? |
Posted By: King Simeon
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 1:25pm
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It's a funny place this. I'd have much preferred to be at this session than ANY uod i've been to, and that would be the majority of the past nine yrs. So dont go painting me as stupid on the sound business. This session was the closest thing to a 'proper' session in a decade or so!!!
But there are differences, like there have always been between midlands sounds and London sounds and Leeds sounds... etc. If i want to bait someone it is with humour, followed by music. There are no rules, so its a preference thing for me and Pisshead, What i love is the music from midlands sounds and also the delivery, it's just in this case, personally, i think Treads style had it's day back with Jungleman. It's more of a generation thing Ras Elder, we do come from different times, but you dont own sound system culture, it is independant and always evolving regardless. I am not put off from checking and sessions, indeed i will be looking to play session with some of these sounds in the future!! You could show how its done on the mic if you want, neutralise the crowd for me!!! It's all good for the music, thats the no.1 thing for me. I am different to the midlands crowd, in that i dont like it going too far, a southern softy if you like!! |
Posted By: PISSHEAD
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 2:32pm
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Thanks to Ras Elder for the reply If you like a mic man to be upsetting every sound that it comes across and then say it's only that person being themselves is not acceptable to me. If they wanted to pack the dance then why didn't they just call it a clash dance?... Instead he waited like a 'wolf in sheep clothing' to trap Mark to make him clash saying to me it was a pre-meditated thing. Is it also justification for Tread to dis Irations background as a 'Techno sound' and then dis his Sub Dub promotions by calling his Patrons 'funny people''. Enough is enough. He is the front man for Jah Voice and anything he says reflects on the sound regardless. It's a roots dance not Bashment, where people come to listen to roots to get inspiration. I will not be attending the next dance with Jah Voice anyway I came to listen to Iration. Maybe there should be a new categorie of sound systems playing roots to clash with somewhere Tread can feel at home. How long before someone gets beaten up. ------------- The 'drunken master' strikes again. |
Posted By: Ras Elder
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 2:53pm
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Greetings King Simeon, so I take it I cannot tempt you with free admission to the University of Dub, no problem. You guys go online telling Jah Voice to remove Ras Tread, but if you think about it, Ras Tread "make" the dance, he give it the extra edge. You also tell me I do not own Sound System culture. Sound System is a West Indian (Jamaican) cultural expression, InI do look on such things in terms of "ownership" more in terms of "we are", its obvious that you still a lot to learn, especially talking to the ancestor of a former slave.
I am pleased you are engaging my culture, hope you bring some of your cultural expression to the table just as others around the world have done.
I await your "Morris Dance" intro Dubplate! or UB40!!! oh forgot Bush gone with that one.
If you see me in a dance introduce yourself..... Rastafari lives and reigns.
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Posted By: PISSHEAD
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 3:23pm
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Hi Ras Elder, I am not disputing that the dance had some comical entertainment but at the expense of who?... Ras Tread clearly stating 'funny people' was being blatantly racist. What extra edge did he bring?......he dissed a Ras Muffet dub then dissed the Legendary Pre amp maker 'Links' by saying that Irations sound was 'pure top and bottom'. Please tell me why the 'ancestor of a former slave 'would want a man to put down another race purely for entertainment purposes?... I think you have taken King Sim. words out of context. ------------- The 'drunken master' strikes again. |
Posted By: mskeete
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 3:54pm
| I thought the "funny people" comment was more about pill poping habits and musicial tastes otherwise I wouldn't have laughed when it was said but only Ras Tread will know what he truely meant |
Posted By: King Simeon
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 4:16pm
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It is great that this i being spoken about and to Tread, Jah Voice, Iration and the promoter, a good session.
I'm not saying sack anyone, its a personal preference and has to do with where i come from. Of course there are plenty who come from when sounds really ruled all over, so they know how it runs and when a session hot. The humour thing is important, as it is in life, so it's important not to take it all that seriously, every man do his thing a little way diff. I also think you should not diss the morris dancing intro, i've been working on all kinds of moves in-coorperating some wicked contortions, all possible wearing bells n'ting. But it's OK, i'll have plenty more fresh ideas to WOW the people out there. Jaw droppers is my speciality!! |
Posted By: Ras Elder
Date Posted: 31 December 2007 at 11:47pm
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"Hi Ras Elder, I am not disputing that the dance had some comical entertainment but at the expense of who?... Ras Tread clearly stating 'funny people' was being blatantly racist. What extra edge did he bring?......he dissed a Ras Muffet dub then dissed the Legendary Pre amp maker 'Links' by saying that Irations sound was 'pure top and bottom'. Please tell me why the 'ancestor of a former slave 'would want a man to put down another race purely for entertainment purposes?... I think you have taken King Sim. words out of context." Please Please Please! P Head, you clearly do not overstand I culture, and the tragedy is when you have come to partake in it you have not been educated about our our livity etc.
You are trying to put European values on something that is NOT European, then redefine it.
Are you sure you really want to come to sessions like those because that is the real US, and you obviously dont like it. Why should WE change our cultural expression to please you? you should learn our ways.
Beaten up? we are all bredrins made wiser by age and experience, we fear for our children and grandchildren now, them days long since gone.
"Funny People" was not being racist, again you do dont overstand what he was saying, so you come on here trying the same old, same old, without overstanding what he means.
Ras Tread truely is a RasTafari, there are bounderies which he cannot cross.
I will not explain what he said to the full because people seemed to have selective hearing and vision.
As of Ras Muffet, he reads this along with others, music is a personal preference, I personally did not like that tune. but some of his tunes I do. You must overstand our geooww! dont enterprete using your values, it cannot work, you will ALWAYS get the wrong answer.
Change your name or use your birth name so I man can take you seriously, or even PM me, because you are not doing yourself any justice by using that name.
eg. am I reasoning with a drunkard?
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Posted By: Humble Tafari
Date Posted: 01 January 2008 at 12:46am
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Yes I, Well from listening and observing both sounds (jah voice & Iration) over last decade, i can confidently say that neither of them praise up the name of Rastafari in the dance with full word sound & power.
I remember when use to run with Joe(Abashanti) in late early 90s and when he played against iration. We would see them putting up posters of Bruce lee all behind their amp case.
Joe and i would look at another in amazement questioning dem order. Still goes without saying, Mark Iration is a very upful and intelligent idren when comes to roots muzik and playing Jah muzik. This does not mean that his spirit is in tune also in accordance with his style of playing music.
Same way goes for Jah voice. Dem mon too me, strives for the self exhaulting vibe ting still. Yet they striving to put awe, and emotional stimulation back in the dances. People especially the UK patrons have been very insular to the roots dances in Uk for a while. So it seems like some mon tink that they ( Jah voice) fight against sound in dance, but when dance done, dem gwan and bun spilf together and reason and laff one or two times.
But again, we see times have changed, and sounds no longer play to uplift and guide, but rather to entertain, and create soap opera drama. And it seems the people are striving for the latter.
Anyone with an ounce of fundamental intelligence will realise that Rasta livity have long left the roots arena, with the execption of a handfull of sound systems that are stiving to keep the livity alive still. The rest is here soely to entertain people that come to their dance, and to display their sound system presentation skills....nothing more can be expected from them.
Anyone with common sense will see that there is no money to be made in the roots scene, and since majority of roots systems do not even acknowledge His Imperial Majesty I as the Giver of Life......they only do the next alternative which is to entertain, and play collection of roots records which they have collected. They do this cause they know deep within themselves, they are not worthy enough to show the patrons or give the patrons any positive direction or leadership to enhance their livities. But since they love the vibes of the roots still, they have no other alternative, but to entertain. Not saying this is a bad thing, but it is their thing. For we all shall get paid according to our works, and we all gonna sing the same song.
In a heartbeat would i gladly play for 10 folks that seeked righteousness rather then a 1000 drunkards and cokeheads. Money is just a bonus ting, not the primary ting to me.
------------- Liberate the minds of men, and you will ultimately liberate the bodies of men - Marcus Mosiah Garvey |
Posted By: wasup
Date Posted: 01 January 2008 at 11:37am
I mean if one is truelly to follow the teachings OF HIM they would not be able to .
Ok Him has never made any remark that i am aware of that point in that direction what so ever!In fact all roads HIM preach suport POINT EXACTLY IN THE OPPOSITE WAY, as in AWAY from HIM................ One could argue the remark ,WHO AM I TO DENY THEM THEIR FAITH but one can not correctly build a whole LIVETY ON THAT...
Perhaps you prefer to come with a spirt angle now?Even so HIM say in so many words MANY ROADS , Bruce LEE could infact be one of them! ONLY JAH KNOW THAT!
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Posted By: wooligan
Date Posted: 01 January 2008 at 4:44pm
| i dont have much to say but god give us two eyes two ears and one mouth and it seems as if some man still dont know the use of them all now. first if you hear ras tread said it was a rubbish tune then its a fact that you got problem with my bredin, so the word alien tune how that change to rubbish tune. none of us know who made that tune. again we a diss muffet tune. we never diss muffet tune. we never know it was muffet tune .so if you got nothing better to say then leave it alone the proof as been recorded it was a very good dance but some people are not happy in letting it end in a good night if you dont know jah voice and steppas then you will never know them again |
Posted By: Ras Elder
Date Posted: 01 January 2008 at 5:58pm
Ras Tafari lives and Reigns mi Bredrin !!! rise up the Family for me.
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Posted By: Ras Tread
Date Posted: 03 January 2008 at 2:38pm
Jus Like mi bredrin Wooligan seh, some man a miss di point, mek mi mek a one know seh dat if I dont like a tune, then I dont like it I nah go gwaan like no hypocrite an pretend seh mi like it jus to please a one. King Tubbys & Scratch mek some beautiful Dubs back in the day outa Jamaica but in not every one dat I like, My bredrin wooligan av some tuff Riddim but is not all of dem that I like, so if a one don't Overstand dat, den dem av a real problem with the music or they are Tone Deaf.
Show mi a Human Being that like every record or tune, yu dun know seh yu nah find one, surely I am entitled to my Likes & Dislikes and if a one don't like it so be it.
I have discovered over the last 20 years that Man who seh dat dem is sound man need to do some research on the history of Sound System because a lot of them, don't know how it really go. Yes it is all good that ones can introduce new Styles and Technology but dat does not mean seh yu must forget the past and disrespect what our elders have done for the Music.
There are a lot of people that take up IanI kulcha and really and dont overstand where wi a cum from. it is good dat dem a tek it up but yu afi keep it real because that is who we are we are African Descendants music is in our Soul, Spirit, Mind & Body all wi a do is reclaim it bak and wi use Roots Music to fulfill dat.
Man seh rasta lef di dance long time, well the truth is dat man a fight against rasta from long time and nah gi rasta credit fe the work dat dem do over the last 60 years.
Right now mi ave some tings fi go do and mi caan sit dung pon Internet all day so till next time I Man Gaan Ras Tread.
Rastafari Perfect Peace.
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Posted By: Humble Tafari
Date Posted: 04 January 2008 at 4:28am
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[QUOTE=Ras Tread]
Man seh rasta lef di dance long time, well the truth is dat man a fight against rasta from long time and nah gi rasta credit fe the work dat dem do over the last 60 years./QUOTE]
Yeah fe real iyah,......I agree that Rasta left de dance long time. Just go any dance and see fe uno self. Out of Every 20 patrons, maybe 2 or possibly 3 may be rasta. Dont think people intentionally fought against rasta..They just wanted to partake in the musikal livity of rasta also.The strong point also is that they not only wanted to partake, but add and aid to the livity of Rasta Muzik. Ah so it go iyah. ------------- Liberate the minds of men, and you will ultimately liberate the bodies of men - Marcus Mosiah Garvey |