1850 for reggae?
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Topic: 1850 for reggae?
Posted By: another
Subject: 1850 for reggae?
Date Posted: 21 December 2007 at 9:21pm
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simply a question: how the 1850 horn sound whit reggae dub music? (please, don't tell me "for reggae use scoops"  )thanks. another. |
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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 22 December 2007 at 6:56am
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i had another duck last night, she was good
all depends on what scoop my friend ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: LostGrayCat
Date Posted: 22 December 2007 at 7:13am
| That would depend on if you know how to work your system. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 22 December 2007 at 11:57am
The designer of the 1850 horn, recommends scoops for reggae and dub. If you dont mind frequently being dissappointed with your system, when you hear a reggae sound with scoops, sounding deeper and louder than your system, often with half as many cabs and cheaper drivers, then go ahead. If you really must be different, why not try WSX? At least that will have 40hz sub in groups of 4x, and be concert ready outside.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
another wrote:Posted By: another
Date Posted: 23 December 2007 at 9:15am
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thanks for the reply so the 1850 is not good for dancehalls beacause is not much louder... and try to put a g-sub whit the 1850? |
Posted By: rezsbc
Date Posted: 24 December 2007 at 10:04am
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we use our looney bins on our reggae sound and guess what.... they stomp all over our Jah Tubby built scoops we had previously...
better tone, better sound. A lot of people will say the 1850 lacks sub cos people tend to assume that reggae has lots of sub. Apart from a handful of dancehall tracks from the past 2 years you'll be hard pressed to find many reggae tracks that actually have much sub.
The 1850 has a great tone and is very efficient, certainly one looney bin is louder than one of our scoops was. For playing vintage reggae music and dancehall I think you could do a lot worse. If your looking to play modern digital dub a la iration steppers etc. then perhaps you will want something else that plays down to 30Hz but otherwise I would definitely consider it.
A lot of reggae sounds globally use a folded horn design similar to the 1850's (cervin vega earthquakes are very popular in JA.) Personally I think people have come to associate the scoop sound with reggae cos that what soundsystems traditionally used, from my own experience you would be much better with 1850's than scoops though.
Ites.
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Posted By: biotec
Date Posted: 24 December 2007 at 10:55am
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I have heard both types of cab do the business for reggae, it's horses for courses and the people saying otherwise are being narrow minded. For some time we used 1850 cabs playing a lot of 80s and 90s dancehall (jammys, penthouse, massive b, etc) and it never lacked depth. I disagree with Levyte about the spl thing, I think over the 45 - 120Hz range the 1850s are capable of playing louder, I have heard both cabs side by side. Where the scoops win is in small rooms and in going low; 1850s will never go as low because they do not have the front radiating element like a scoop and in small rooms they sometimes loose impact.If you have no intention of playing the new super low dub stuff then there's a host of folded horn cabinets available to you, the 1850 being one of the better ones.
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 24 December 2007 at 11:16am
Agree with most of that Bio, but don't forget not all scoops have the really high SPL output. Haven't heard single non scoop cab yet that will keep up with small chamber scoop like RX18 + 1850 35-80Hz. Know a lot of reggae guy's who have tried 1850/186 horns, and they said they sounded good, but no where near the SPL in the sub range. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 24 December 2007 at 11:52am
The sound of King Earthquakes bass line proves this to many!
Isn't it the 186 Folded Horn that will play a bit lower the 1850 versions ?
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Posted By: tommysb
Date Posted: 24 December 2007 at 11:55am
| Are king earthquakes the system with those huge yellow folded horns? |
Posted By: another
Date Posted: 24 December 2007 at 1:24pm
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so why not give it a try... about 1850+g-sub? is a good idea for go louder? (like sub 30-70hz, horn 50-200) who can test the 1850 whit some reggae and post a report? thanks, another. |
Posted By: rezsbc
Date Posted: 24 December 2007 at 2:10pm
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eh I use our looney bins (modified version of 1850) with reggae all the time. works very well. ask anyone who was at carnival 2004 or 2005 how DIRT's big stack fared playing reggae (it was hearing this made us decide on the looney bin).
The 1850 is mostly suited to one-way bass though.... if you want to use separate subs like g-subs you are probably better off going for dedicated sub boxes with dedicated kick bins above them. Or just use the 1850's on their own with mid-highs that play down to 120Hz or so.
Check the thread about he "lab sub vs. 1850 horn" a few posts down.
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Posted By: another
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 1:25pm
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looney bins are too much expensive for me, so i think to build my own 1850 and loading them whit some v18-1000. Ok the 1850 is suitable for one way bass, but i want to try a 2 way bass system (1850, g-sub and mt102) .. and if i'm not satisfied by my sound i build up some scoops! now what i need is only some mony! |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 8:05pm
They're actualy mainly green with yellow, black & beige/fawn patches - Army combat style.
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 2:19pm
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no if you are going two way bass you want sub and kick, the 1850 horn doesnt do kick and isnt realy a pure sub either, i wouldnt bother using a sub under an 1850 unless that sub hits 20hz and im using it in a 3way bass setup...... alough imo i rekon that 1850 with x-tro would be a great combo... ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: tommysb
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 2:24pm
I remember now. They were huge great things anyway, the size is more memorable than the colour! They moved a lot of air. I think you'd be fine playing reggae with folded horns if you've got something like this! |
Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 3:33pm
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tommy, they are an exclusive design afaik, only eartquake has them. @ another, you could always try a hog scoop... http://groups.msn.com/speakerbuildingpics/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=92 - plans 1 http://groups.msn.com/speakerbuildingpics/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=93 - plans 2 ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: another
Date Posted: 06 January 2008 at 5:07pm
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ok, i'm decided to abandone the 1850 way for a 2 way bass system (like x1 and hd15) Yeah, now I remember... king erthquake, have heavy tunes and play it whit the 1850 and what kind of boxes over it? http://www.kingearthquake.co.uk/NewBoxes.htm |
Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 06 January 2008 at 5:44pm
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15" reflex by the look of it, same as shiloh, iration, aba, tabot... pretty much everyone (apart from someone on here who has HD15s) EDIT: remember, earthquakes 1850s are modified. ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 1:21pm
"Apparently", Quakes cabs are Rog designed 21's. This was discussed about a year ago. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 1:47pm
15 reflex, more 15's, 8's and piezos
tbh i dont like that system at all, only the 21" foldeds, the rest i find quite unsatisfying to listen too.
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 12 January 2008 at 11:16am
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Earthquake not to bad on the bass, personally i think Shanti, Jah Voice n Iration sound alot better. I dont think the folded horns give the right type of bass
But i hate his top section, very harsh sounding IMO!! ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 12 January 2008 at 11:43am
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i agree
i actually think, despite being brutally loud, that earthquake is one of the worst sounding.
iration steppas is one of the best - really clean sound, and i like it even more when they use comp's only, rather than piezo's as well.
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Posted By: CPHSOUNDSYSTEM
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 5:28am
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Irations a big sound,1850 are good if u put enough power in to them we use them in scoops and they sound heavy...pd186 need less power and are more punchier....1850 are 1000watts and the 186 are 600 i think............. ------------- STOP WARS NOT DANCES |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 2:42pm
Many use to say the 186's played rounder & sounded deeper than the 1850's & that the 1850 was more brutal, but as I didn't own any 186's I couldn't test this for myself.
From the specs the 1850's are 800w & the 186's are 700w. I believe these are RMS ratings.
The older ones use to show 100w less for each then the specs were updated.
Although I kept hearing there was no actual change to the driver & the specs were changed as it was realized & noticed how much both these drivers could take.
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Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 7:39pm
Irations bass is one of the best sounding. I find his top end horrendous. Tubbs Has the best top end of the big sounds, (although I'm hearing Shiloh soon so we'll see abot that...)But I think High Pressure from Leeds has the nicest top end I've ever heard from anyone. Period. They know what they're doing, if only they had a bigger rig... ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:25pm
May see you there Jhodas! but remember:-
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Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:18pm
Hope so! Of course we each have the problem of not having a clue what the other looks like...
Food for thought... ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |