Some Bass Horns
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Topic: Some Bass Horns
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Subject: Some Bass Horns
Date Posted: 12 January 2008 at 1:12pm
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Heres some plans for horns everybody's always looking for. The Peavy will be better than the B36. All of these cabs will get raped next to either the 186 or the 1850[off course] The B36 is a piece of sh*t because the baffle the 18 mounts to is so short. You will always have a problem to fit a woofer. So, All of these are bitches to build at the end of the day. You can just as well build one of Rog's horns an be better off. Cerwin B36: http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/">  Cerwin AG36 http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/">  Peavy DTH118B http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/">  |
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 12 January 2008 at 2:05pm
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The Dynacord F 12 CWH. Use same component options as the ../index.php?id=mt122 - MT 122 http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/">  |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:02am
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Three-Bee wrote:
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:12am
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1850 Horn/SL-36 Size external comparison http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/">  |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:25am
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B36 loaded with P-Audio E18-600A. Blue: 4 bins Grey: single bin  |
Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 12:01pm
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Great job three-bee
 , could you please post the input data for the B36 and SL36Or please do me a favor, please load this driver for me, I would like to know how this driver perform in B36 or in SL36.
here's the specs of my driver.
Fs: 33.55 Hz Pe: 500 watts rms continous
Qes: 0.285 no: 3.086%
Qts: 0.257
Qms: 2.649
Bl: 29.2 Tm
Vas: 241.1 liters
Cms: 93.72 um/N
Mms: 240.1 grms
Rms: 19.11 kg/s
Xmax: 5 mm
Xmech: 7.5 mm
Dia: 414mm
Sd:1350 sq.cm
Vd:0.673 liters
thanks in advance for the effort mate
regards
suiluj ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 3:39pm
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k, with what u gave me. what driver is it? blue : sl36 grey : b36 hope it helps. Build da SL though  |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 3:50pm
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Another SL-36 plan http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/">  |
Posted By: VECTORDJ
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 4:05pm
| Wow!! The new world leader in speaker plans is Three-Bee! More...more....VECTORDJ |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 5:10pm
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The AB-36 drawn from the GIF on their site. Comparison with SL [in Grey]  & it seems as if the SD18 should fit....  |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 5:15pm
This is what happens when you're on leave with a 3G modem.... I just hope most of the questions about the Cerwin bins you always see on the forum can be answered by this thread. I still don't know how 1850's or Looney's sound though. I do know how the AB36 with its sh*tty 18 sounds. OK for the price. Would like to hear it with a decent 18" though..... |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 5:59pm
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Here you have the AB, SL and B 36's all with P-Audio E18-600A's. Looks good. The SD18 models The same, just louder. All in all, all of them will work nicely when you use enough. Still too much hassle to make something fit in the B-36.  |
Posted By: aperrado
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 7:17pm
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ty it is a good info Idont know to much about graphics math but i will continue asking ty ------------- Im hard to learn but still asking |
Posted By: josh
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 7:57pm
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hi, has anyone got anymore information on the Dynacord F 12 CWH mid top...frequency response?, dispersion?,ect thanks |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 8:50pm
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http://www.dynacord.com/wDynacord/en/produkte/detail.php?market_id=7&category_id=1&family_id=4&product_id=21 - F 12 CWH http://www.dynacord.com/wDynacord/de/download.php?file=f12cwh_datenblatt.pdf - Data sheet (207KB) |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 8:52pm
Some of you guys should learn how to use 
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:37pm
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are any of those designs good for music????? [go on i dare ya some one take me serously lol] ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:24pm
| The OLD JE36 and AB36 CAN play hard dance. Don't know about proper live music. Wont you ask the Foo Fighters to see over next weekend? |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:43pm
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Back when I was a cable carrying idiot we used to work with the OLD Intense system a lot. 8 over 8 a side with 9001 and 8001 running flat out on a field with rock. Was BRUTAL. I actually miss that ground stacked monster sometimes. The Sub218 was wonderful too on live gigs. Never Ever had problems. Just not very rider friendly   |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:44pm
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Yes, I grew up with most of the Cerwin gear produced over the past 15 years. Unlucky |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:45pm
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i was joking, obvously most speakers are designed to play music, i was replying to the google coment and daft questions, good info though!!! ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:49pm
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Shot man. But as some of us know, Some of the Cerwin gear cant even handle Kenny-G on half power without smelling strange.... Components, components, components |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:52pm
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I love this pic Swop that tap out for some JACK  |
Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 11:30pm
Never thought I would ever see a pic of a wet pussy on here
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 11:40pm
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A Chinese 1.... ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 11:54pm
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that is brilliant, go to www.mycathatesyou.com for silly cat pics, you should post that one there that is amazing! ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:02am
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thank you so much three-bee ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
, you're the best. It's a Chinese made driver an 18 inch dual spider & dual stack magnet, now i am not doubtful to build one of those cabs probably 4 for the first batch.
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:30am
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Thats where my moms cat slept for months. Da first 'Amprack' And its also half Siamese.  ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: aperrado
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:34am
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what u think bout other driver like jbl or b-52 for this horn ------------- Im hard to learn but still asking |
Posted By: aperrado
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:36am
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somebody know exactly dimensions inside of AB-36 of cerwin vega? ------------- Im hard to learn but still asking |
Posted By: aperrado
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:37am
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if some have experince making it plz post detail pics ------------- Im hard to learn but still asking |
Posted By: aperrado
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:41am
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what are dimencions in this one inchs or mm ------------- Im hard to learn but still asking |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:43am
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I'm in S-A. Cant read inches
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:54am
| Download this file : |
Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:55am
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hi three bee,
could you please do me one more favor, 4 of my drivers in AB36, SL36 and B36
Hope you would not get tired of helping others.
than you, thank you, thank you ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
Posted By: aperrado
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 1:18am
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DUMB QUESTION, ARE ALL MEASURES IN THIS TOPIC PLANS "MM" OR "INCHS" ------------- Im hard to learn but still asking |
Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 1:26am
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its in MM mate ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
Posted By: heinrich
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 6:04am
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hi three-bee, may you elaborate AB36's throat size or dimensions......? i pressume the driver is finring on a square/rectangular slot like the WSX. so could you elaborate this section..... thanks  ------------- .....power is nothing without control.... |
Posted By: _djk_
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:51am
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"DUMB QUESTION, ARE ALL MEASURES IN THIS TOPIC PLANS "MM" OR "INCHS" "
Go ahead and try inches and see what happens. ------------- djk |
Posted By: _djk_
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:02am
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Note to Three-Bee (and others reading this thread):
You have gone to quite a bit of work in doing all the sims, but you should keep in mind that in real use you will not get the low end and extension the programs show in sim.
 This is what actually happens with well braced Baltic Birch boxes that are ground stacked. Maybe if the boxes were made of a lead-and-concrete with depleted uranium laminate you might get the gain shown in the sims. Made from wood......... ------------- djk |
Posted By: biotec
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:05am
| it should also be noted that anyone who could seriously think that the plans might be in inches should not attempt to use powertools. |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:07pm
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@ DJK > As I said earlier in th thread, its modeled in 1/8th space [in da corner] @ suilu > what ya playing? What do you guys think? SL36 for him? ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:19pm
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hi three bee, i usually play techno, dance music,disco ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:33pm
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How many do you wanna build? ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:37pm
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 1:01pm
Look at he 186Horn and the AB-36 above. Very close, just don't go quite as low. Then I will almost want to steer towards the Speakerplans cabs.... & you know it works.  ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 1:04pm
imagine if he didnt notice till hed almost finished the build, wouldnt the baffle cutout be around 45" lol...... you could walk down the horn.... ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 1:14pm
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that'll be nice for in da back yard.
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Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 2:51pm
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@three-bee
Only four for the first batch, maybe four a side in the future that if i will be building the vega designs. Knowing that my driver will work in vega designs, I have a lot of options.
At first, I was planning to build the WSX clones, its my top priority cause a minimum of 4 will player lower and louder. Not sure though if my driver will work on that cab.
do have any SIMS or the WSX? ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 7:31pm
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WSX is a bit difficult. will see
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 8:10pm
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er if I ask permision I may be able to post centeuris rough guess which was mostly made for driver evaluation that accurate simulation..... If not ill give it a quick sim..... ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 8:16pm
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ok i can put a picture in a post as well as tex, and i cant submit a reply without text why cant i get it working anymore????? help! ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 8:23pm
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Here ya go (EDIT: not actualy!)Markks pic:
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 8:32pm
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http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4817/wsxhornrespjj4.jpg ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:11pm
------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:12pm
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Modeled as an hyperbolic horn as per the specs ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:44pm
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not actualy my pic. @ three bee im guessing yours may be more acurate, care to do a sim of beyma 18lx60? im still yet to find a t/s that will open lol. ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:56pm
Theres the T/S's ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:07pm
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The LX60 is for Reflex boxes. Nice sub bass that rattles your nuts. It will get ripped apart quite soon after you fit it into a horn..... Heres the plot though  ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:35pm
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that doesnt look too good actualy to be honest..... what about some paudio??? ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 11:25pm
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I think this cab is too much of a hassle to build. Da P-Audio plot  ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 11:54pm
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yes three-bee, you spotted it, WSX is a bit difficult to build, a lot of angles to cut. how but a sim for my driver please? ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 12:07am
thats the wsx input i'm using ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 12:22am
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its not too much hassle believe! ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 12:33am
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Build 1850's! Less wood per cab than the WSX = more 1850's = structioral damage = HAPPY DAYS
------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 12:42am
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ok waht version of horn resp did u use? its seems the newer version is different from the one u use. ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 12:53am
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downloading the new 1 now. still sitting with 7.2
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 1:07am
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Couple a nice extras
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 1:08am
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All the sims look the same though
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Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 1:27am
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ok got that three bee. I need to study more that program ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:01am
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it wont let me input a hyp horn or change fal or cir for some reason..... ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: heinrich
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:50am
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let me rephrase me::::::::: hi three-bee, may you elaborate AB36's throat size or dimensions......? i pressume the driver is finring on a square/rectangular slot like the WSX. so could you elaborate this section..... thanks ------------- .....power is nothing without control.... |
Posted By: suiluj
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:31am
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hi heinrich,
the throat size of the AB36 is almost the same as the 1850 or 186, ------------- BooM BASSTIK EleCtronics and Communications Engineer Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 12:41pm
Actually I don't really know. As I said, its drawn of the dodgy gif on their site. There is a panel that you see in this plan thats there so I take it that the woofer plays through a oval-ish hole, because it ends up dead center when you model the woofer between that panel and the brace. This is the 'revised' drawing.... So, I'm guessing its about correct. Best will be is to find 1 and look for yourself. This is how I think it should look from above  ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 12:24am
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to Three-Bee please do make modeling plots on paudio c18-650 in WSX (1 and 4 cab) and 18 sound 18w1000 (1 and 4 cab) please -) ------------- horns plans http://photofile.ru/users/tda-audio/ |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 12:49am
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Dimitry, they're nor meant for such a long/serious horn.... The input parameters are on th previous page though. ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 12:54am
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\\\\\\\\\they're nor meant for such a long/serious horn....\\\\\\\\\\\ well work 18w1000 and c18-650 ... are measured (18w1000) 134db cont pressure... ------------- horns plans http://photofile.ru/users/tda-audio/ |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 1:03am
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?..?..?
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 1:27am
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what tda is trying to say is that he measured his at 134db [he has wsx loaded with the challenger drivers] ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 1:39am
 process of the measurement on street ------------- horns plans http://photofile.ru/users/tda-audio/ |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 1:41am
Are thy holding up in there? f**k! 
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Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 1:42am
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see previous page ------------- horns plans http://photofile.ru/users/tda-audio/ |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 1:55am
heres the 1/4space plots  ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 1:58am
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Like yr crowd...
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:01am
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wow, that actualy doesnt look too bad!!! flat till the upper 30s, thats encouraging! the only thing that would worry me would be the xmax, hmmm wonder how the pd184 in similar conditions would look??? ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:22am
OK, OK... Here ya go Mark    ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:24am
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то Three-Bee - thank you PLEASE try RCF 18P300 (ORIGINAL) ------------- horns plans http://photofile.ru/users/tda-audio/ |
Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:28am
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http://www.rcf.it/download.phtml?id=1422 ------------- horns plans http://photofile.ru/users/tda-audio/ |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:38am
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:38am
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thats interesting!!! the pd184 looks like it plays realy low but has rising response throughout the useful pass band of the horn, the c18 looks realy good though!!! hmmm @tda how long have you had yours and how much punishment have you given them? they seem to model well, id be concerned about the xmax though..... ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:39am
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also c18 looks to model the same almost as the original driver..... hmmmm ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:40am
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Remember though, the RCF handles more power and has a bit more travel on the cone... All of that is 1w, 1/4space according to Horn Response.
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:43am
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If I were you,and I really wanted to build a couple of WSX's, Ill go for the 650EL and hope it stays alive...
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Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:46am
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RCF 18P300 - interesting 1 cab .... ------------- horns plans http://photofile.ru/users/tda-audio/ |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:47am
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keeping them alive im guessing is just a matter of staying within rms and keeping the signal path clean [so ie no monster amp and no piddly little amps being pelted to drive them effectively] the pd184 and c18 are almost the same price...... hmmmmm i may be swayed here then. @tda what do you think of your c18 wsx??? have you given them a decent spanking yet????? ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:55am
1x WSX L18P300 1/4space ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 3:06am
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hmmmmmm, well c18 looks to be the budget winner at least!!!!!!!!! ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 3:07am
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\\\\\\\\\\\\\RCF ..- more travel on the cone..\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ rcf calculated X-Linear (Hvc-Hg)/2+Hg/4 p-audio calculated x-linear (Hvc-Hg)/2 (where Hvc is the voice coil depth and Hg the gap depth.) ------------- horns plans http://photofile.ru/users/tda-audio/ |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 3:09am
Out of the brochure/thingy/PDF ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 3:19am
Ok, sorry. Looked at the woofers again. Both should handle about 10mm one way at just over rated power.... That should move a lot of air in a horn, but not a V18-1000/PD1850. I know the 650EL slaps you around nicely in a smallish ported box though [2 per ch on Vortex4] ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |