Miniscoop OR Reflex?
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Topic: Miniscoop OR Reflex?
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Subject: Miniscoop OR Reflex?
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 12:22pm
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So that i stop polluting other threads i thought i would start this one,
Whats the opinion on "Shortmans mini scoop"?
To my eyes it is clearly a reflex with a long port. But alot of people disagree, why is that?
Obviously i havent seen the inside of one but im sure the port doesnt expand significantly, and the mouth is so small that it couldnt possibly be acting as a horn at low frequencys.
Discuss
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Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 12:33pm
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 12:37pm
Looking at this, id say that the port is roughly 21/22" by 13/14"
So thats about 1925cm2
A circle of the same area would have a diameter of 49.5cm
the mouth is small where 2pi/wavelength*mouthsize < 1
Lets try it with 100Hz or 343cm:
3.141 x 2 / 343 x 49.5 = 0.9065 = smaller than 1 = Mouth is too small to produce 100Hz = A PORT!
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Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 1:12pm
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So that's why the V18-1200 likes it...
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 1:20pm
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[continuing from a different thread]
You dont seem to be making any sense lev?
Please elaborate on why you say its a scoop?
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levyte357 wrote:
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 1:47pm
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I think its a hybrid
Interns are like a scoop, but in the body of a large reflex!!
Mybe we should come up with a new name for it?
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 1:48pm
| Scooflex, I think its definatly a scooflex! |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 1:50pm
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mini scooflex?
Can anyone think up an anogram ? ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 1:58pm
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I assume this is what it looks like inside?  I have gathered this from looking at photos and stuff.
Can you confirm this tweet?
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:06pm
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Wrong!
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:12pm
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mini reflex scoop = Fierce Minx Loops www.bored.com |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:13pm
So are you saying that 1/2 a 18'' reflex (g-sub) should sound the same as one of Shortman's Mini's ?
Maybe because they sound good especially for the reggae music lovers ? But not liked by the guys who prefer fast attack style bass-lines ?
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:14pm
Bollocks, I dont believe you.
Whats wrong about it?
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:19pm
Nope, because a Gsub doesnt have a really long large port, and the chambers are totally different.
I cant argue with that, but just because it sound good with reggae lovers doesnt make it a scoop.
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:29pm
This is the most accurate term, or a horn assisted something.  To be honest, Shortman himself has said it is not a "really" a scoop, but performs as a mini scoop would. It definetly has rear horn loading, but as you have suggested very small mouth.  So its not strictly a scoop, but has rear chamber, and throat, so is plenty more than a reflex. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:36pm
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Think scooflex is gonna stick
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:42pm
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Thanks for that levyte, (who's that in the pic? shortman?)
Im pretty sure my crude drawing is right after seeing that pic.
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:42pm
Yes, I used a quantum mirror from Stargate, jumped into a parallel reality, went to your house and borrowed your cabs (before you sold the drivers), took them down to shortmans and took a pic, then returned the cabs/drivers.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:47pm
OK, OK, this is what they look like;
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Posted By: SmokeyJoe
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 2:51pm
| YEAH RIGHT. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:02pm
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Tweeter you fool, stop posting incorrect diagrams, now you ave forced me to come clean:
I am shortman, here is the real design, you may use it for diy people
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Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:04pm
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I Think jake was pretty close.. but if you look at thos pics you can see a angled baffle... so I rackon its closer to this :
 So... it has a throat.. and expension... so is kinda scoop like... I still reckon it works more like a long (low) ported reflex tho.
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:08pm
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You are probably right, i wasnt sure if i was seeing a straight panel with a triangle piece or an angled panel.
Things i know for sure:
The two triangle bits on the right hand side are correct.
The throat is at the bottom of the chamber.
After the throat the "horn path" (port!) goes up to the top then to the bottom right, then exits through the port.
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:14pm
Remember gents as Jake stated in the beginning! To keep it running cool
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:17pm
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All I know is that two sets/stacks of 3 of these mini's on their sides (one on top the other) loaded with most/any of the best 18'' drivers on the market at the moment, even with some Eminence, with a couple Mt121's on top & you will have a serious sounding system.
Best of all, manageable to move on your own if need be.
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:17pm
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Sorry, what do you mean tek?
"keep it running cool"
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:20pm
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:20pm
I meant so we all keep this thread running nice as it is in discussion! You know what usually happens when these mini's gets mentioned!
Especially when/if Mykey jumps on it.
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:21pm
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So you would agree then, its not just a reflex.
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:24pm
Cyclones from a dyson make the air superfast when exiting the horn mouth - genius  ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:26pm
Cheers for the input, I suppose for most people thats all they need to know. I just wanted to understand peoples ideas when they say its a scoop.
Im going to do extensive modeling when i get home and try and come up with some useful graphs and comparisions.
(and yeah, lets keep it friendly
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Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:27pm
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I think to answer this we have to define exactly what a scoop is.
My answer... a rear loaded horn.
So...
1. Must have a throat.
2. Must have an expansion in air path (port / horn).
3. The mouth area must comply to horn theory (large enough to support the lowest tuning freq)..
It must have all three to truely be a rear loaded horn... as far as I can see it only has 2.
It's a hybrid.
Next thing to discuss is whether this design was found by shear luck or adapting (sawing the bottom off) a real scoop... and if so which one. ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:30pm
Well obviously, the flux capacitor allows it to see the future of the music signal allowing excelent transient response.
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:33pm
Please forgive Tweeter Box's deception. This is actually what inside a Mini Scoop Looks like.  And why, stacking them vertically is so popular. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:33pm
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I agree adam, the thing is every type of cab is linked.... at what point does a tapped horn turn into a scoop? at what point does a scoop turn into a "miniscoop" or long ported reflex, and at what point does that turn into a reflex,
It would be cool to have a gif vid of designs morphing into the next one along....
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 3:44pm
I was wondering why its so quite today?? I recon Mykeys holding hands with HBL in the park!!
 no offence intended......I'll get me coat
+1
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 4:12pm
One thing I do know is that it didn't involve computers, measuring gear or various types of modelling & it's a bad-ass cab! Which can take on many other full scoops (Not the Hog)
Strange thing is many people knock it, but many want to copy it.
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Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 4:17pm
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 4:18pm
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Thats what i was wondering... Now i dont know how much solid speaker theory that guy has, or how much he has just kinda worked out, but i expect it was a case of cutting the bottom off a scoop with some slight modifications, plugging it in then thinking "this sounds good".
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 7:17pm
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 8:10pm
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This is my minipoop design, it has the same outer dimentions as Smans, This is to scale:  Heres the HR input screen:
 And heres the not so good output:
 [edit: one of the pics had a swearword in the file name so it got filtered out!]
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 8:30pm
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Why not a v1200?? ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 8:33pm
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Dont have the specs....cant be arsed....already had v18-1000 on there....
Infact, entering drivers details into a computer annoys me SO MUCH that i think i might go to bed now.
I was going to model it as a reflex box with a long port in winisd but i dont have the full parameters and it annoys the living sh*t out of me trying to enter them!
 Does that drawing at the top look a bit more like it tweet?
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Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 27 March 2008 at 9:35pm
Or perhaps he just cruised the net looking for likely designs, found the RCF long port reflex or similar, a few random mods and hey presto.. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 7:56am
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I'd really like to see actual design (i know that'll never happen!) because with the outer dimensions and all the information i have you cant get a sensible layout, theres always negative expansion somewhere and thats RIDICULOUS if its apparently a scoop. |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 11:06am
Dunno Jake, never seen inside one!  ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 11:16am
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oh, for goodness sake! I dont want the plans, and i'm not trying to rip the design off, its not like im gone round yours with a tape measure trying to meausure them up *ahem* |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 11:17am
Behold the sacred box:
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 12:34pm
do you know something i dont know? *cough cough*who you talkin about?
OK OK i can tell you that the piece of wood on the side next to the other piece of wood shouldnt be there!!  ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 3:59pm
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its a mini skirt
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 4:01pm
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hahahaahahaha, that is brilliant
So thats what you've been up to recently!
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 4:02pm
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Nice drawing, hope the dudsub's skirt is a bit longer though
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 5:57pm
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I still think theres negative expantion, i have just looked at some photos again.
The angled panel is too angled, and the left/bottom end of it is too close to the driver side of the cab, resulting in the space between the angled panel and back panel being bigger than the "mouth" or port = negative expansion.
(if anyone can understand that they deserve a medal!)
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 6:03pm
i do believe this translates to; back to the drawing board  ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 6:17pm
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You misunderstand me, im saying that from looking at pics of unloaded minis, there must be negative expantion in the horn path,
Unless you mean back to the drawing board shortman, in which case i may have to agree.
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 6:26pm
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I can assure u there is no negative expansion, as ive seen em inside
Why else do they thump soooo much!!
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 3:08pm
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As asked before, what's your reckoning on these mini-scoops used for/as upper bass on top of full scoops ?
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 3:21pm
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Id say T18s on top of full size scoops for that upper/kick. ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 3:40pm
| Id imagine that they would be too "slow" sounding for upper bass/kick frequencys. and probably tuned too low. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 8:56pm
Hear couple of big sounds have that, but not for me..  Would prefer USB. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Crashpc
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 3:05pm
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I can see one horn-flex box on audioweb.cz - first project/image here: http://audioweb.cz/vase/age2-03.jpg don't understand how it works exactly, but i'm surprised that nobody knows. ------------- Nikon and Canon people should not be married to each other. Why did you let this happen? |
Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 3:22pm
i tried that myself tweeter box, the T18's didnt have a distinct enough kick for my liking.
also they didnt stack very well above my scoops, so i sold the 4 T18's & built my 4 ES18-BPH, now i'm very happy with the sound.
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 3:37pm
Its not that nobody knows... Its a reflex box, small chamber and massive long port. End.
Its that people who love to the scoop believe that everything that looks remotely like it is magical! therefore they refuse to believe that its a reflex, because a reflex is far from magical.
The only magic speaker is the majicbox, thats the best in the world.
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Posted By: Crashpc
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 4:59pm
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it is not normal bassreflex, because 1) the name of this box is hornflex 2)the port has not one, but two diameters - the back side of port is narrow, the front side is more than noticable wider. and i didn't say anything about magic or mystycism. They build it because of (who knows what?) somenting good will happen. ------------- Nikon and Canon people should not be married to each other. Why did you let this happen? |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 7:16pm
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If the mini scoop is really a reflex then i guess the full size scoop is also a reflex but with an extended horn mouth? ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 7:17pm
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I dont mean you when i say people believe scoops are magic! I mean generally anyone loves scoops and doesnt know about speaker design.
Whatever its called its still a reflex with a big port IMO, im not sure why having 2 port diameters would help, in fact im pretty sure that theres no benefit compared to having one constant diameter.
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 7:20pm
Once the reflex port is expanding continuously and is long enough to support the longest wavelengths intended to play through it and has a big enough mouth to support the longest wavelengths intended to play through it, then its a scoop.
Read the first page of this thread, its all covered there
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15716 - http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15716
But call them what you want, it can be a reflex with a large flaired port / a scoop / some scoops like the HOG could be called tapped horns with the driver right on the edge of the horn mouth.
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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 1:16pm
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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 1:30pm
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Here is some more on it http://www.d-a-s.cz/planky/ostatni/MT18SUB-X_V10/MT18SUB-X_V10.pdf ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 2:47pm
Static u sharing plans for them? Ideally i want something that sits perfectly! ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 3:04pm
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what plans Tweet, ES18-BPH or T18? -------------
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 3:35pm
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 3:39pm
| Search for it! |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 3:43pm
Well if thats how ya goin on them i dont want them anymore!
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 3:54pm
 Wah wah!
http://groups.msn.com/SpeakerBuildingpics/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=19 - http://groups.msn.com/SpeakerBuildingpics/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=19
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 3:54pm
| Thats staipers msn group, it has lots of designs there |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 4:24pm
Well i dont want them now so nah nah nah nah nah nah  ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 10:06pm
 o arrr....
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 8:13am
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Whats that!?
The mouths too small to be shortmans...
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Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 8:30am
Hey Jake watch what you say a man can´t have a mouth same size as a speaker.  ------------- Music is the strongest form of magic.(+45 31879997)blakmanpro@gmail.com, foa@sweetboxaudio.dk |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 8:49am
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Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 10:11am
that looks just like the wembley B line to me. -------------
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 10:24am
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Wembley B line doesnt have that much negative expansion if you look inside!
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Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 10:41am
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I found it on the site where the other mini scoop that was recently posted came from... ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 10:42am
Me too.
 Look identical ?
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 10:46am
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Yep they look the same, well done tek, are they wembley B line then?
The expansion rate confuses me, i cant see any reason why anyone would design that!?
 It almost has 2 chambers
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Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 10:49am
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http://www.soundlite.co.uk/ - http://www.soundlite.co.uk/
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 10:50am
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Haha, even my random guess design looks better than that!
If anyone wants the design with full dimentions, send me a cheque for £19.95
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 11:03am
Don't know, I just remember when Champ put up the pic when deciding on handles & painting the insides.
I heard a few say they don't sound too bad! I've never heard them. Haven't 18Sound got something similar ?
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 11:05am
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Original Wembley B Lines go sound very good, everybody in my town used to use them years ago. ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 11:12am
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Are the plans about? or are there not supposed to be any plans?
I've heard people say they sound good, but that cab looks like it was designed by accident, theres the chamber the driver sits in then a weird chamber in the corner, then theres positive then negative expansion, then a port of constant area.
It may well sound good but it looks like it couldnt have bee modeled, or if it did i would assume it didnt come out like the model!
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Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 11:40am
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lol, there are plans about but im not sure if any of them are "offical" plans!! ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 11:45am
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So Jake, your random guess design, have you ever built it or know anyone who has to hear what it sounds like ?
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Posted By: JaKe
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 11:59am
| They look more like transmission line cabs than scoops to me. |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 11:59am
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nah, i was just pissing around. (i should probably change my post so people know that cheque thing is a joke) I moddled it in hornresp and it was terrible!
All i ment was the expantion rate looked better! one day when im rich and have spare time im going to build things like that and test them for real....
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 12:06pm
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Tek, you couldnt take a look at this for me could you?
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16399&PID=159751#159751 - http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16399
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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 12:06pm
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this is driving me nuts
the B-Line bin is the worst bin I have ever heard, it shouldn't even work
you could move a couple of panels in there and make an improvement straight away
there are trapped waves in that cab, its like a Filipino chick fresh from the paddy, she don't know whether to suck or blow
tweet, if you think the B-line sounds good I hope ypur bins sounds better?
heres a question for you .............how does it sound flat??
or does the EQ end up looking like ya great great grandmothers teeth
the B-Line is K rap ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 12:10pm
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Jake you can model that type of mini all day long and you will get a good 50/60 hz
forget 30 and 40's
they will be shocked when it goes up against something good
don't model the B-line , b-line owners will be committing suicide all over the shop ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 12:15pm
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having heard B lines in the past i think a well designed reflex cab sounds better. -------------
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 22 April 2008 at 12:16pm
Thats what im thinking, the port would be better with a constant area, and what is going on just after the throat? chamber 2 !?
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