Which combo are the best?
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Topic: Which combo are the best?
Posted By: Swedishmeat
Subject: Which combo are the best?
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 10:13pm
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Question 1:
Which of the following stacks would you prefer: 4x X1 + 4x Hd15 + 4x MT121 OR 8x 1850 + 4x MT121 Maybe someone have comments on other combos?? Question 2: Can I use horn speakers on a dance floor with 4 stacks, one stack in each corner? For example 1x X1 + 1x Hd15 + 1x MT121 in each corner of the dancefloor.... Question 3: Can I use MT21 as mid tops with G-subs? Thanks for help!!! |
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 10:18pm
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I wouldnt horns need to be together to sum adn couple properly, also two horns playing identicle signals facing each other are blatently going to cause some cancelation headaches, which if you were realy good you might be able to work around but Im not sure if its doable to be honest. the first option for most things to be honest. might want another pair of hd15 though ie 6 hd15 4 x1 and 4 mt121. that would handle most music reasonably well, especialy hard dance! lol. markk ------------- insert silly sentence here |
Posted By: Swedishmeat
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 10:36pm
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Ok here are the drivers specifications for the X1 and the HD15. (These drivers have been sold in Cerwin Vegas and Fanes name before) PLEASE COMMENT if they will suite the HD 15 and the X1!...
18" for the X1: Max effect 750W RMS Frequency range 25Hz-2KHz Sensitivity 102+/-2dB Voice Coil 4" kapton Magnet Y35 240 oz Fs 37Hz 8 ohm Le 1.85 Qms 9.2 Qes 0.3 Qts 0.29 Vas 665.9liters/23.02 cu.ft Xmax 4.7mm Sd 1182cm2 Die cast Aluminum chassis 15" for the HD15: Max effect 500W RMS Frequency range 35Hz-2KHz Sensitivity 100+/-2dB Voice Coil 4" kapton Magnet 120oz Fs 42Hz 8 ohm Le 1.52 Qms 6.24 Qes 0.33 Qts 0.32 Vas 250.8liters/8.95 cu.ft Xmax 4.3mm Sd 869.2cm2 Die cast Aluminum chassis |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 10:39pm
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what make and model are they? ------------- insert silly sentence here |
Posted By: Swedishmeat
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 10:41pm
| Dont know they are imported from the same fabric who are making some of Fanes and some of Cerwin vegas models... Do you think I can use them because I can get them really cheap..? |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 10:45pm
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ebp and bl would be useful, in the x1 forum and in the hd15 forum there are threads telling how to simulate these cabinets for driver evaluation purposes. the x1 [win isd i believe] and hd15 [definetly horn response] it even gives you the input parameters iirc, so all you have to do is copy and change the driver specs to suit what you are attempting to simulate. hope this helps. ------------- insert silly sentence here |
Posted By: Swedishmeat
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 10:47pm
| Ok thanks man! |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 10:48pm
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http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9161 and http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2617 there you go read thoroughly. ------------- insert silly sentence here |
Posted By: noobsound
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:13pm
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Swedishmeat how large is the dance flor u are talking obout and what genre of music do u guys play there? indorr i will allways go for the x1 coz they are brutal on subbas an u can feel the bass anywhere in the bulding. x1 is werry omnidirectional on bass not like the 1850 and u will have less chances of getting cancelation from other subwoofers or bulding walls. if your dance floor isn't to large you might consider using some bassreflex tops hung up somwhere without kick bins above x1, like 15"+ some comp driver. |
Posted By: Swedishmeat
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 8:19am
| The dancefloor is pretty big... I play very different music and want it to sound good with different music. Would the HD15 be necessary? |
Posted By: noobsound
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 11:31am
i build x1 and i can tell u it's awesome on subbas and if u have some strong bass-reflex tops with some capabale 15" drivers for kick to run them above 80 hz it will be balanced without using hd15. u will have a + on the subbas but i don't think it would boder anyone
i build 186 horn it's great but in your situation of puting 1 in each corner of the dance flor( i assume not the corner of the building) it will not sound to deep.
have u considered using 2 stacks ? 1 on each side of the dj? in my town there is a club whitch uses this way of stacking their speakers( funktion one) and it's great.
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Posted By: Swedishmeat
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 1:35pm
| Yes I have considered that if I do so what would you recommend then? |
Posted By: Swedishmeat
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 1:40pm
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Also wondering:
Which are the best combo for dancefloor use? 8x X1 + 4x HD15 + 4x MT121 OR 4x X1 + 8x HD15 + 4x MT121 OR MAYBE SOME OTHER COMBINATION??? Please comment!!! |
Posted By: noobsound
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 4:14pm
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per side 2x X1 + 4 HD + 2x mt121 will be balanced. 4 x X1 per side will be insane indorrs. U really have to listen one to get the ideea. I held up drum&bass party's of 150-200 people with just 1 x X1 in the corner driven like 500-600w and all bottles were shaking in the barr.
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Posted By: Swedishmeat
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 4:18pm
| Ok but 2 HD15 per side would not be enough? |
Posted By: noobsound
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 5:15pm
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if u will get 4x X1 per side and 2 HD15 above them i think u will have a monster of the sistem. Dunno obout hd15 coz i never hurd them but let's put it this way.. if 2 Hd 15 are not enought on top of 4x X1 u could ad 2 more HD15 in the future.. but i doubt that will be necesarry indorrs. A sistem like this will blow away the people in front of the stack if powered corectly.
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Posted By: LjudLahger
Date Posted: 02 August 2008 at 11:09pm
so....did you build some cabs...?  |