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Topic: Froggy and the Soulweekenders.
Posted By: mykey
Subject: Froggy and the Soulweekenders.
Date Posted: 17 May 2008 at 3:18pm
As you may already know I used to follow the Froggy rig as a yut'dem to the all-dayers and weekenders,Confused maybe JBL can explain to the youngsters what they wereWink
 
anyway, I want something cleared up once and for all
 
when I used to go to these gigs I once saw at the 'Purley' all dayer (JBL?) 2 huge pyramid stacks, and I mean huge
 
now this question is for Tony and JBL and anyone one else who can remember
 
who built Froggy's rig?
 
the reason I'm asking is, I used to have many a cup of tea (did someone say tea?) with John Dean and his dad, god bless him. John told me that it was his rig that froggy had and it was his father that built it?
 
whats confusing me is...allot of the time it was ASS, but at the Purley all dayer it was the Altec style/JBL 15 horn ported cabs with the chrome dome center drivers, wow! what a memory I haveWink
 
well I hope I haveLOL  I'm sure Ian (JBL) will pull up a picture and prove me wrong
 
well John still had some of those cabs in his old shop, and his dad had built them so thats why I kind of believed him
 
 
that system is still the biggest and loudest I have ever seen, we are talking 1979, JBL?
 
so! who built froggy's rig?
 
if it was you Tony, could it be possible that John was half right?
 
and talking of John, what the hell has happened to him?
 
if someone has got a pic of the most fanatastic day of my youth I will run naked down Legian street waving an American flag 
  
 
 
 


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 17 May 2008 at 3:26pm
like these they were, the bottom cab nearest to you 
 
unless I'm going around the bend
 
 
 


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 17 May 2008 at 6:49pm
Ok Mike.....well here goes.....
 You are absolutely correct re.the Purley alldayer,that was in 1978, Froggy (Steve Howlett) was using his Matamp/Orange system,argumented with the addition of the double Altec 816 style cabs you mentioned...these had the early Gauss 4580 200watt "chrome dome" drivers in.....now wether John Dean built those 2x15s i dont know......
 
 
It was in late `79 `early 80s that Froggy bought some of Tony`s ASS concert system...
 
It was the latter alldayers that had this new improved system....Steve still used the Matamp/orange valve amps for mid hi,but Tony`s 215 bass horns were driven from RSD 800c`s........when i saw him at his regular Royalty nights,he had six stacks of Tony`s concert rig....
each stack was 2x 215s with Gauss 15`s ,one 212 mid with Rcf`s,one Matamp radial horn with Vitavox S2,and Tonys ASS piezo box,with 8x peizos.
 
 
It was this rig that became the Caister rig for all the soulweekenders....there was 6 stacks of this.
 
 
In the mid `80s Froggy added 4 of Tony`s JBL 4520 style 2x15 scoops for extra low-end....i know,cos me and Simon Harris borrowed it for some soul nights at the Ilford Palais in the mid 80`s.
Ian! 


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 17 May 2008 at 7:54pm
Thats mad, I typed 1978 then changed it becaus I wasn't to sure
 
I knew I was right about the altecs and chrome domes
 
was you there as well Ian? what a road block
 
cheers Ian


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 18 May 2008 at 11:58am
Mike,i have renamed this thread,so anyone interested in him,it will then show up in a search.
 
I didnt go to the early Purley alldayer...but i think i have some photos of it somewhere,i will look......i first saw Froggy in 1979 with the early part matamp/part ASS rig  at the Royalty in Southgate...really big place that..held about 600-700 people.
 
here is a few good quality live recordings of Steve done at Epping Forest country club in 1982/82.
http://www.musicoflife.com/froggy.html - http://www.musicoflife.com/froggy.html
 
Just two stacks of Tony`s concert system were used there,as the dance floor was tiny.
Ian.


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 18 May 2008 at 7:27pm
Black and white snaps from the 1978 Purley alldayer....sorry about the quality Mike!
 
 
Chris Hill of course.
 
Froggy and Sean French.
 
Robbie Vincent with the guys from Heatwave.
 
Chris Hill again.


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 18 May 2008 at 10:09pm
Just to get some dates into perspective. The Concert system came together towards the end of '79. Steve came to us sometime later. I built a console for him as well as amp racks, and supplied him with 1200's which I used to by from Unisound in Maldon Surrey.
The only big gig I got involved with, was the national Soul day where we combined our Q system with his Concert system to make up the rig. We had a small rental company called The London Thunder Company. This was a collaboration between Paul Samuelson (Whose dad was part of Sam Cini) and myself. The PA thing was purely a live system

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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 19 May 2008 at 3:42am
So John was telling me the truth, cool!

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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 19 May 2008 at 3:44am
Ian!! you have made my day with them pic's
thank you thank you
 
I shall be sending them onto the rest of the gang "WASTED"
cheers


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 19 May 2008 at 3:46am
Just noticed......Chris Hill seems to have more hair now than he had then LOL

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 19 May 2008 at 11:07am
Some more photos....the first black and white ones are more from the 1978 Purley alldayer....are you in there somewhere Mike?
 
These colour ones are Caister `79 and 80.
You can see the early version of the Froggy`s Matamp console here....Did you build this one Tony,or was yours the later one with the Supernova mixer and the flightcase edging i think?
 
Here is another shot of the earlier console,with DJ Chris Hill....u can see the early QRK turntables.
 


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 19 May 2008 at 4:38pm
.....and more photos...
To give you younger guys an idea of how popular these soul Alldayers were in the `70s, this is the Alldayer at Ally paly..over 6000 people turned up....
Robbie Vincent is the dj on the right.
 


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 19 May 2008 at 4:43pm
Here is the Froggy rig again,in 1980 this time....Mike,u can see the Altec style cabs on the extreme right of this pic,next to Froggys ASS system....


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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 19 May 2008 at 6:04pm
Ian, I'm stunned anyone knew what a QRK galaxy was? totally wicked turntable and had the SL1200 not been about £1200 cheaper we'd all have been using them instead of the Technics! seem to remember they were £1800 each (without the hardwood tone arm)
I really need a pair of these please! 


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 8:41pm

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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 9:42pm
Some lovely stuff and photos chaps. I had the pleasure of having Robbie, Greg, Tony and Chris as guests in the late 80's when DJing for a promotor called Bob Holtum. It was at the beginiing of the house/acid scene and Bob was a litttle confused as to, ahem, superstar DJ's. The chaps were all professional though and pulled a good, mixed crowd on top of our new sweaty blood. Bob ran a night in Camberly just before I met him, Frenchies, where he used many of the big soul names. He also used Robbie and Greg at the Red Lion in Hounslow if I remember, late 70's, I was just out of school. PA was suppled by Darryl Hayden one week and Kelly the next. It was like a big upstage thing, who had the most 4560/4520 stacks. Bob used to tell a good story that when looking around one night at Darryl's latest stacks he noticed that many of the cab's were empty! Bob was a little bit of a rogue to say the least, although I earnt well out of him for ten years. Anybody that knew him should know that he passed away earlier this year.
 Anyhow anybody got any pictures of old Turner amps?


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 21 May 2008 at 4:12am
I gave my brother Alfie a link to this, and straight away he found one of our crew

 

Richard’s  one of the "WASTED" crew, he's the geezer who's eyeing up the situation, IE: trying to bunk in the line, Winktypical Richie stylee Clap

 

Blue boiler suit with "WASTED" on the back and underlined with a middle finger gesture

 

Typical of my brother to find one of us before I did, thanks Alf.

 

 

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 21 May 2008 at 1:43pm
More Caister photos..this is Caister Soulweekender number 2...october 1979....
Dj`s are Chris Hill,Sean French,and Froggy...complete with bowler hat....


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:38am
Along the same lines as the Soulweekenders...here is 3 videos of Chris Hill at the famous jazz-funk club, the Goldmine in Canvey island in late `70s.....you can see the Disco-supplies "glitter systems" speakers piled up in there.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFM1PY9ksps&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFM1PY9ksps&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiprWQenvMg&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiprWQenvMg&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiuHJaxXIJQ&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiuHJaxXIJQ&feature=related
 


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Posted By: Strange Daze
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 12:23pm

I was only born in 83, so i missed all of this.....but its fine reading guys. Cheers :)



Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 12:51pm
You really missed something big
 
Remember these were the days without extasy, and everyone still got on great
people shook hands and hugged and also what was great at Caister was everyone was in and out of each others chalets without any arguments
  
it was one of the great moments in my life, and also got me hooked on sound after seeing Froggy set up and do a sound check, I should'nt have been in the hall but glad I sneaked in now


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 12:58pm
Forgot to mention that, 22 years later Froggy came to a club I was engineering a Wattco sound system, Froggy came to me and shook my hand and said he loved the sound
 
that for me was the icing on the cake, after being in Awe of him all those years before
 
 


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

You really missed something big
 
Remember these were the days without extasy, and everyone still got on great
people shook hands and hugged and also what was great at Caister was everyone was in and out of each others chalets without any arguments.
 
Mike is absolutely right,the atmosphere at these shows was great,everyone was really freindly,and the only drugs came in a ring-pull can named "lager"...and lots of it!
 
People would even stop and help each other fix their cars on the journeys(these were the days of British Leyland etc,so breakdowns were frequent).


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Posted By: chris_k
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 9:53pm
Froggy got a few mentions and a touch of an old interview on radio2`s recent history of dance series. (a couple of saturdays ago)


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 5:49am
aahhheemmmmm!!!
 
Ian!!  we had a pillow case full of the best Jaimacan weed my man
 
and I do mean a pillow case
 
we bunged up all the doors and windows and you couldn't see your mates in the chalet
 
and the time when the swimming pool got broken into that was my brother, it ended up with everyone stark naked, was great
 
also I don't think I told you that it was my brother who came up with the Dance craze were you all sit on the floor and row as if you are in a boat
 
what happened was, Chris Hill and Robbie Vincent did a competetion to see what group could come up with the best dance
 
we won the competetion, next thing we are seeing the dance on top of the pops to the song "oops up side ya head"
 
It was weird also about five years ago Jonathon Ross on radio 2 talking about that dance and where the hell it came from, little did he know it came from Leytonstone the place where he grew upLOL 
 
I was mates with jonathon by the way, we used to do a long walk to school together, me him and his brother Adam
 
when I used to play for the school football team (right back ) Adam was in goal and Jonathon used to stand behind the goal and crack me and Adam up, we couldn't play half the time
 
 


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 5:53am
Ian! it was like being in another world wasn't it?
 
everyone loved one another, I have never seen so many people get on like that before


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Posted By: Strange Daze
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 12:30pm
do you think its much different to now??
if so.....why??
C


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 11 July 2008 at 7:17pm
Ok,back to the photos....
 
Froggy at Disco Supplies`showroom in Chadwell Heath in 1980...you remember that place Mike?..it was the Mr.Byrites of Proaudio back then....
"Oi! where is me other SL1200?"


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 12:57pm
yes I do remember that shop, over the years it grew in size
 
Ian! those white cabs in the background ended up everywhere, and are still going strongClap


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 4:56pm
Yep,the white ones were Disco supplies own brand,chipboard covered in white leatherete,but quite well built,they sounded good for their day,it was sort of a clone of a bigger Altec design,i took the back off one at Epping Forest country club once..they had Fane drivers in if i remember?
they were sold along side their Glitter systems and Black Knight brand.. popped up in loads of pubs and clubs back then....much better than the Roger Squires own brand stuff...i wonder who actually built them...dont think it was Tony?


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Posted By: ChrisWard
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 5:21pm
HI Guys,
 
I'm new to this Forum but I'm loving the pic's takes me back...
 
I think I spotted Chris Brown in one of the pics, bottom right.
 
I thought Froggy had some SoundWave 2X15 Scoop bins with 3x12 mids at some point too..
 
Tony's 5 way system he produced really look very sexy indeed
 


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 03 October 2008 at 9:52am
You are correct about the 2x15 scoop bins Chris,the Soundwave(of romford) cabinets were also built by Tony at ASS..it was based on the 4520 design but fitted with Gauss drivers.........Froggy used these to boost the low-end to compliment his existing ASS 215bass horns from around 1983 onwards.

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Posted By: ChrisWard
Date Posted: 03 October 2008 at 10:31am
In the early 80's I had a pair of 2 x 15 Soundwave bins with JBL k140's they did sound good..


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 04 October 2008 at 11:27am
Err..who was the guy there at Soundwave Chris?...Fred Friedline i think..bought my first big radial horns from him around 1979,and funnily enough also bought some K140`s from him too around 1981..anyone know what happened to Fred?

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 10:17am
Rare photo of the later incarnation of Froggy's rig,this is with the later addition of the 4520 2x15 ASS scoops.
Big thanks to Jim for finding this photo.Clap
 
This is one half of the stereo rig.


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Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 2:45am
the times obituary
 

A legendary name in British dance music, DJ Froggy’s pioneering use of mixing techniques transformed British club culture in the 1980s. His innovative approach helped to spawn the rave and acid house scenes and he was a seminal influence on a generation of younger DJs such as Pete Tong.

Steven Howlett was born in the East End of London in 1949. He left school at 15 to take an engineering apprenticeship and used his skills to build his own sound system. He became a professional disc jockey in 1971, adopting the name DJ Froggy, and, in addition to playing at clubs and discos, he was soon spinning discs as the warm-up act on tour with some of the biggest pop acts of the day, including Sweet, T. Rex and Slade.

In 1974 he teamed up with the BBC Radio 1 disc jockey Dave Lee Travis as a double act on the Radio One Road Show. They worked together until 1978 when Froggy moved on to become one of a group of DJs known as “the Soul Mafia”, playing soul, disco and funk.

A trip to New York in 1979, however, was radically to change his approach and ultimately to have a profound influence on the future course of British dance music. At a music convention organised by the trade magazine Billboard, he realised how technically far ahead American DJs were of their British counterparts and he determined to make a close study of their methods. His main tutor was the New York DJ Larry Levan, who took him to clubs such as Paradise Garage and Studio 54 clubs and showed him how to mix and crossfade the rhythms from two different records simultaneously.

At the time there was no equipment commercially available in Britain that had such a capability and so, on his return he adapted and modified his own equipment to become the first British DJ to use twin synchronised decks to mix the beats of two vinyl records over the top of each other, often overlayed with effects from a third turntable. The “Froggy Soundsystem” which he constructed was so huge that he purchased a lorry to transport it and took on two full-time employees to run and maintain the equipment.

His techniques were soon being widely copied and he became much in demand on Radio One, where he was given his own segment in Peter Powell’s show and was commissioned to produce radio edits of club hits such as The Real Thing’s You To Me Are Everything and Change’s Change of Heart. By the end of the 1980s as acid house and rave culture were reaching their height, he was presenting a regular Saturday night slot on Capital FM.

He continued to DJ until his death and had recently been working with his son and fellow DJ Mark Howlett. He is also survived by two daughters.

Steve Howlett (DJ Froggy), disc jockey, was born on November 8, 1949. He died on March 28, after a brain haemorrhage, aged 58

 

they missed and mixed up some stuff but hay they remembered him maybe there will be a soul momorial aniversary party



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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 03 July 2009 at 9:30pm
Here is a photo of the Froggy-designed "banana"console....1982.


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Posted By: DC6ms
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 4:05pm
Very nice - brought back lots of memories of the Frog.
 
Here's a little mix of his from our website:
 
http://sixmillionsteps.com/drupal/node/532 - http://sixmillionsteps.com/drupal/node/532
 
DC


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 3:30pm
Many thanks for posting that mix DC,i see my old pal Simon Harris has done all the voice-overs on that as well!
Amazing to think Frog was mixing up stuff like that 30years ago,with just a supernova and 2 techics turntables and a heap of records...all totally analogue,not a computer or digital unit in sight!


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 27 March 2010 at 8:53am
Very amusing photo i just found of Simon Harris behind Froggy's Matamp console at Ilford Palais,this is circa 1982,i know Simon isnt the tallest person ever,but it gives you an idea of the size of this console!
 
 


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Posted By: emadex
Date Posted: 31 March 2010 at 10:46am
I booked Froggy for a gig around 1982/83. The booking was as a "big name" DJ and I didn't book his roadshow. I chatted to him about his sound system which I had seen many times and he surprised me by telling me that he wasn't generally running in stereo and that "mono gives me a much more off the wall sound". Can anyone comment on this as I get the impression from this forum that he did actually run in stereo? Thanks.


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 31 March 2010 at 11:39am
Hi,Welcome to the forum....
I had a chat with Froggy's long-time roadie Ollie on several occasions,he told me the system was configured in several ways,on the original Matamp console,they was a pan/joystick control,that allowed the sound to be swept though four channels,in a sort of mock quadraphonic mode,so standing on the dance floor,the sound would pass right round you,but Ollie said they had so many problems with it,they eventaully disconnected the joystick,and just ran it in 2 channel stereo mode....now wether it was in fact stereo or all running in mono most of the time i cant remember,but the times i heard it at the Royalty,i got the impression it was stereo.


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Posted By: GregM
Date Posted: 18 April 2010 at 10:12pm
Yet again chaps, I'm stunned at the factual knowledge on here.  I feel like Ive come home!
 
Now, two questions for the knowledgable please:
 
1) - Clearly the 'typical system' (and I know it changed alot), was a monster using Matamp's, and ASS speaker rig, but who could give me an idea what the good old fashioned RMS output would have been?.  I was at various Caister weekenders and it was crystal clear, but as we know from other (Citronic) threads on here, most of us normal DJ's were going out with 200w-300w systems - and were quite happy!.  What was the Froggy RMS?, what was the split of bass/mid/top?.
 
2) - Froggy's lighting of choice appeared to be Pulsar, anybody know what the typical system comprised? - In one of the pics earlier in this thread I can see a Modulator and a slave pack in one rack plus what appears to be a Rainbow Strobe controller and rack mounted Zero 3000 in the other?.  Anybody actually know what the lighting rig comprised?, obviously there were a few par cans but despite being there, I can't remember the lighting and it's driving me bl**dy mad!
 
Call me nerdy, but these things really interest me.....


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 18 April 2010 at 10:49pm
1) There was six stacks of the ASS concert system Greg,each stack would have been 2x 215 bass (gauss loaded) and driven from Studiomaster 800c's,so thats 800w rms there...mid was ASS 212,driven by RSD(one channel) so thats 400 w,top was driven from the Matamp,so that 120w,so if my maths are correct,thats 1320watts RMS per stack? x6? so around 7kw total would seem about right?
 
But it was seriously loud...at the time,it was the loudest "disco" rig i had ever heard.
 
2) Yep,parcans,and spotbanks,and some par36 pinspot banks as well...at the royalty the clubs' own lighting was used...mainly pinspots and helicoptor-mounted pinspots from the ceiling.
At the Ilford palais (being a Mecca ballroom) they had those twinkling Tivoli starlights in the ceiling,and Froggy used a few parcans running from Pulsar modulators to supplement these.


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Posted By: Sheggy
Date Posted: 19 April 2010 at 11:04am
Interesting - 7Kw would have been really heavyweight back then.  I was just too young to have experienced Froggy but as far as I see it, the landscape of the mid eighties was all down to the soul scene; warehouse parties, the rare groove explosion and everything that followed.  I remember people talking about Froggy at school like he was some kind of god!

S


Posted By: GregM
Date Posted: 19 April 2010 at 9:01pm
Thanks jbl_man, that's the kind of power I imagined the rig to have - and of course that's good ol' RMS wattage!.
 
I always thought I was a bit of a local rebel in having a mobile rig running 440w, til I read about some serious metal/rock roadshows which were running power levels in the 4kw levels.  Then I experienced the Froggie rig.......I'm convinced it contributed a meaingful percentage of my deafness in one ear!
 
Grateful for the info - man those Studiomaster's could kick some ass! (no pun intended).
 
Any chance you'd know what crossover was used?


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Posted By: Original Roadie
Date Posted: 26 April 2010 at 6:16pm
Hi Emadex,the soundsystem was run in mono much of the time. As Steve said it did give a better and harder sound. Although there were times when he would switch between the two depending on the venue and track being played Smile


Posted By: Original Roadie
Date Posted: 26 April 2010 at 6:40pm
Hi jbl man,the pan/joystick would play up most of the time so was not used often,till it was disconnected. The sound at the Royalty was in mono for 95% of the time,on occasions we would run in stereo but you would lose sound quality.It would sound like stereo because of the way Froggy would mix the tunes and the way he played with the gains.It was all about not just hearing the system he wanted people to feel it and as you all know they did !Smile


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 26 April 2010 at 8:01pm
If you have anymore photos of the system,we would all love to see,so please upload if you can!
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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 28 April 2010 at 3:23am
@original roadie

the Purley alldayer , please clear something up for me once and for all......what system was used? I think I did ask Tony once and he wasn't sure, but John Dean is adamant that it was his sound system that was used. John Deans old man made all his cabs, they were an Altec lansing single 15'', with chrome dome dust caps. I met his old man, lovely guy, he loved building speaker cabs

John Dean had a disco shop in Ilford called D-Tek if I remember rightly


I believe it was 1978/9, and i still haven't found out the truth about who's or what it was

still the loudest system to date that I have ever heard, not clear mind, distorted but extremely loud

my ears rang for a good few days, maybe it was the distortion lol

2 huge pyramids stacks you had

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Posted By: KC
Date Posted: 28 April 2010 at 3:07pm
I think I spent most of my time dancing in front or sitting in the Frogs base bins.
 
This is a quality Frog Link will post some photos when I get up in the loft!!!!
 
Original Roadie. You,Ollie and the main man Froggy gave me some of the best days of my life. Oh how I miss the old days.........Cry
 
 


Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 28 April 2010 at 10:02pm
http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/Family%20Album.html - http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/Family%20Album.html
great reading feeling old slippers time lol

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Posted By: Nitz V1505
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

@original roadie 
John Dean had a disco shop in Ilford called D-Tek if I remember rightly


I believe it was 1978/9, and i still haven't found out the truth about who's or what it was

still the loudest system to date that I have ever heard, not clear mind, distorted but extremely loud

my ears rang for a good few days, maybe it was the distortion lol

2 huge pyramids stacks you had

pictures from that day would be BLOODY awesome dude?
    IMO the Matamp amps being valve amps are  louder than your average 120w solid state amps. When driven hard they are gonna distort but valves normally distort in a nice way unlike transistor amps . The Matamp's 120 valve watts are like 1000 transistor watts because of the different circuit topology of the two.

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Posted By: DC6ms
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 1:44pm
You might like this Froggy mix we 'cleaned up' on our site:
 
http://www.sixmillionsteps.com/drupal/node/532 - http://www.sixmillionsteps.com/drupal/node/532
 
Enjoy
 
DC


Posted By: simonharris
Date Posted: 20 June 2010 at 2:57am
It's the Frog, Y'all . . . . . . .



Originally posted by KC KC wrote:

I think I spent most of my time dancing in front or sitting in the Frogs base bins.
 
This is a quality Frog Link will post some photos when I get up in the loft!!!!
 
Original Roadie. You,Ollie and the main man Froggy gave me some of the best days of my life. Oh how I miss the old days.........Cry
 
 


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 9:03pm
Old poster of one of the Ilford Palais nights.
 



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Posted By: Mhamplification
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 7:13pm
Must have been a really great night Froggy and LOTW together
I used to love them and the offspring bands Ingognito as well
Were you there Ian ?


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 7:22pm
Yes,was there that night....i can remember walking round the upstairs balcony trying to find the best place to hear the system....2 large stacks that night,either side of the stage,each stack being a pair of ASS 215's,laying side by side,on top of this an ASS double 15inch scoop,(like a 4520) then a pair of ASS 212 mids,then the ASS 2 inch radial horn,topped with a pair of ASS 1inch horns....each stack must have been around 12 foot high.
 
Simon and i had an old friend who was a photographer,he has loads of old high-res. photo negatives of these nights,so we are hoping he can scan them and will then post them up.


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Posted By: simonharris
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 8:12pm
It was an amazing night apart from one small issue - HARDLY ANYONE TURNED UP!  It was good fun apart from that, the sound system was great however a large venue like the Palais with it's poor acoustics didn't do it any favors, that size venue relies on a large crowd to dampen the reverberation. I have a recording of most of the night, Light of the World were really good.

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Posted By: GregM
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 10:39pm
Simon and i had an old friend who was a photographer,he has loads of old high-res. photo negatives of these nights,so we are hoping he can scan them and will then post them up.
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Oh yes please.  I, for one, would really really love to see as many images as you/he could be arsed to scan of this event - and as much additional nerdiness as eitehr of you can recall.......peerleeeese!
 
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 23 October 2010 at 6:57pm
I've just realized, I don't remember seeing any monitors in those days. I never supplied Steve with one. I just don't think it was an issue in those days.

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 25 November 2010 at 3:50pm
Froggy at Epping Forest country club...using JB's Monster roadshow console here.
Owen Jay on the left.
 
One of the JB's stacks at Epping Forest country club....quite why they added the silly whizzer cone 12"mid boxes above the ASS mids i dont know.




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Posted By: simonharris
Date Posted: 25 November 2010 at 3:53pm
Nice photos - that's Colin Noon on Froggy's left ('the club's' resident DJ), not Owen Jay. The DJ booth was down at the far end until 1982

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Posted By: simonharris
Date Posted: 25 November 2010 at 4:10pm
check the Disco Supplies sticker on the bottom right of the console

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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 26 November 2010 at 7:09pm
Notice same console but different grams? 
I remember when we did the install at Flicks (Dartford) most of the Dj's wanted the QRK Galaxy's instead of Technic's they were a wicked combination with the supernova, been trying to source a pair ever since!


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Posted By: GregM
Date Posted: 26 November 2010 at 9:40pm
Oh, who knows?:
 
In the colour piccy, whats is the thing which looks like a 5.5" car speaker in the panel directly behind the nearest turntable?
 
And in the B&W image, there's an interesting run of VU meters and push on/push off buttons in the top panel - what did the VU's monitor and/or the switches do?
 
I've never seen the consoles in profile - they were chunky bu**ers weren't they! 
 
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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 26 November 2010 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by GregM GregM wrote:

Oh, who knows?:
 
In the colour piccy, whats is the thing which looks like a 5.5" car speaker in the panel directly behind the nearest turntable?
 
And in the B&W image, there's an interesting run of VU meters and push on/push off buttons in the top panel - what did the VU's monitor and/or the switches do?
 
I've never seen the consoles in profile - they were chunky bu**ers weren't they! 
 
G

Ain't got a clue! I do know that his console changed many times over the years & I wouldn't like to have carried any of them? lol


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 27 November 2010 at 6:07pm
Colin, we built Steve's first big console. It was soon after we took delivery of our Supa Novas. In true ASS style, the console was made out of 18mm birch, and due to the mixer being larger than standard, it was over 6 feet wide. It became larger due to slope accommodating  the mixer and the meter bridge. Everything on the back of the mixer was duplicated on the back. The console was trimmed in black Formica. The flight cases like all our early ones was also made out of 18mm birch, and in those days everything was finished in Aluminum with full size fittings. Need less to say, you couldn't really carry it complete, so, on arriving at a gig, while still in the truck, they would take the console out of the case and take them in separately. I found this very funny.

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Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 27 November 2010 at 8:36pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

[QUOTE=jbl_man]....anyone else spot the old GPO telephone handset,that was used instead of headphones for PFL monitoring?

Well spotted! I've still got one in the garage somewhere... but with a pair of Sennheiser sounders in!


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Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 29 November 2010 at 9:56am
They were a bit hard on the ears I seem to remember!

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Posted By: simonharris
Date Posted: 13 January 2011 at 2:36am
I used to hate seeing a DJ use a telephone handset for monitoring, pointless and cheapo. I used Beyer DT100's or Sony headphones.

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 6:25pm
A few of Steve's remixes have started to surface on youtube,this is an excellent one.


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Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 20 January 2011 at 11:03pm
Booker Newberry 3rd anybody?

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Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 20 January 2011 at 11:33pm

Booker Newbury III, and the Froggy mix aswell.




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Posted By: slaz
Date Posted: 21 January 2011 at 10:12pm
Originally posted by djeddie djeddie wrote:


Booker Newbury III, and the Froggy mix aswell.




LOL !!! Your animated avatar is almost perfectly in time with that tune !!!


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 05 March 2011 at 9:31pm

A vhs video of the Prestatyn 4 Soul/Acid House weekender 1989 with,of course,Froggy and his monster roadshow...the quality isnt great,but it was 22 years ago!

 
 
video is here.
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Posted By: simonharris
Date Posted: 05 March 2011 at 9:54pm
I was there the year before that . . . . .

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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 06 March 2011 at 9:58am
Blow that whistle! 

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Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 06 March 2011 at 10:43am
around the same time we used to also go to the southport soul weekenders, who owned the turbosound rig? 


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 08 May 2011 at 2:20pm

Simon Harris with part of the rig as it is now.




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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 7:05pm
Video of the Prestatyn soulweekender 1989,with Froggy (starts at 18.00 mins in)..he is saying the system is 12kw,and interestingly,is "6000 per channel" so must be in stereo?



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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 7:11pm
From the same event,Froggy on the Matamp Supernova in this one.



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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 7:26pm
Mad great day's and very rarely any trouble, But Chris Hill is completely barking mad! LOL 

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Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 8:05pm
Great people, great music, great combination! I'm maybe showing my age when I say those were the days! Smile

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Posted By: Groovemeister
Date Posted: 22 June 2011 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by woody2 woody2 wrote:

around the same time we used to also go to the southport soul weekenders, who owned the turbosound rig? 
That was Gus from Cambridge when it was at Fleetwood.
 
He then did the smaller room at the Southport Pontins site until the mid 90's 


Posted By: simonh
Date Posted: 20 July 2011 at 10:13pm
Wow, I've only just found this thread.  I was to young to go to the early soul events in the late 70's and early 80's (being born in the 70's myself).  However, I've been attending the Caister weekenders for about the last 7 years.  I was fortunate enough to see Froggy perform at his last soul weekender.  At that weekend he was miles better than any other Dj there, we miss his presence every year.  

I'm relatively new to the forum, the reason I joined was to learn about sound so that I could start to put together a small rig that will enable me to play the music that Froggy and alike used to, still play.

Looking forward to the September Caister...

Love the pictures and the stories in this thread, thanks to all for posting.


Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 21 July 2011 at 12:48am
Originally posted by Groovemeister Groovemeister wrote:

Originally posted by woody2 woody2 wrote:

around the same time we used to also go to the southport soul weekenders, who owned the turbosound rig? 
That was Gus from Cambridge when it was at Fleetwood.
 
He then did the smaller room at the Southport Pontins site until the mid 90's 


the smaller room been the one under the swimming pool?

the main room at southport used to have monster stacks each side of the stage and bass bins stacked across the front of the stage, it used to feel like someone was hitting you in the stomachLOL


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 03 November 2011 at 11:46am
More Frog photos.

Reading All-dayer.....Robbie Vincent at the console,Chris Hill on the mic.



Frog at Barry island.



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Posted By: Mhamplification
Date Posted: 03 November 2011 at 7:52pm
Nice pics there Ian
Like the bottom one with the Froggys console visible Is that the early one or the later one in 3 parts


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 06 November 2011 at 2:26pm
I believe Martin,the early mk1 Matamp Summit console finished in orange vinyl is at the top of page one of this thread,mid 1970's.

The mk11 Matamp (late 70's early 80's) is the console above with FROGGY in orange lettering on a black background....it is for this console that Tony ASS built the huge flightcase that no-one could lift!

The later 3-part console directly above would have been mid 80's onwards.


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Posted By: simonh
Date Posted: 06 November 2011 at 4:20pm
Love the video's of prestatyn Ian, shame the modern day Caister is like that.


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 25 November 2011 at 5:54pm
One of steve's best mixes,this is the original 12" acetate cut of it,well done to Andy (froggy road crew) for finding this.




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Posted By: GregM
Date Posted: 25 November 2011 at 6:46pm
A terrific find - and yet more evidence, if we ever needed it, of the man's genious ability with a couple of decks - and all pre-digital......
 
Is 'Andy' on SP?, I reckon he'd be brilliant for the stories
 
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Posted By: oldskool
Date Posted: 25 November 2011 at 7:00pm
Damn that was good. Listened to it all the way through while dad dancing around the living room. Not a pretty sight but made me feel good. Why is it these mixes still make us feel so good and most of the current stuff is just garbage? Thanks Ian & Andy. By the way I first saw Steve using a "banana" console with a Supernova at Caister in 1983. I thought that one was trimmed in orange vynide but it was a long time ago......... 


Posted By: GregM
Date Posted: 25 November 2011 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by oldskool oldskool wrote:

.....while dad dancing around the living room..........
 
Brilliant LOL, it's not just me then!


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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 25 November 2011 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by oldskool oldskool wrote:

Damn that was good. Listened to it all the way through while dad dancing around the living room. Not a pretty sight but made me feel good. Why is it these mixes still make us feel so good and most of the current stuff is just garbage? Thanks Ian & Andy. By the way I first saw Steve using a "banana" console with a Supernova at Caister in 1983. I thought that one was trimmed in orange vynide but it was a long time ago......... 

I've been trying to find some close up photo's (or a plan) of the banana consul for a bit now but sadly all to no avail, I was told that it was built by Tony but also have had a suggestion it was built by Disco supplies and Tony just made the flight case, well confused! 
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 1:25pm
I only made a flightcase for the console that we also made. That was the one where they had to take the console out of the case to lift it off the truck because together, they were too heavy. Those were the days. I had nothing to do with Banana consoles or cases.




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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

I only made a flightcase for the console that we also made. That was the one where they had to take the console out of the case to lift it off the truck because together, they were too heavy. Those were the days. I had nothing to do with Banana consoles or cases.

 

See I told you I got confused!  (Probably the dementia coming on) LOL any idea where the banana console came from Tony it all seem's to be a secret at the moment.


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Posted By: oldskool
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 2:44pm
The only picture/literature/plan I have ever seen regarding the banana console is the Disco Supplies ad/leaflet reproduced earlier in this thread. Used to hang around disco supplies a lot back then and am convinced Steve designed their banana console for them then used one for a year or two. I want one building too Colin to put my own Supernova in so let us know how you get on.   


Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 3:17pm
I can build one with no trouble, I just don't want the 19" rack's under mine, they need to be smaller so it fit's in my car easier, the idea is to build the rack stands half the size so they take up less room.
I also have plans to build the console itself out of much thinner ply than the original console (which I seem to remember was 18mm) so it's lighter, I'm thinking 12mm birch for the thicker panels and making some curves (to add strength) out of 2mm ply
 


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