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Topic: Turbosound; The relics
Posted By: 4DPA
Subject: Turbosound; The relics
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:40pm
Turbo relics..

1979 and onwards..


Originally a 4x10" part of the legendary turbosound glastonbury festival system.

But cut in half to make a lighter and more manageable 2X10



SSE/Turbosound adaptations, enter the bullet.



you can see the heritage of the tms3 in the TB3030


Modified Tfl760


To be continued........... please add any data



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Posted By: djstefanos
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:36pm



Posted By: djstefanos
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:40pm





Posted By: 4DPA
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:45pm

TMS4





ftp://ftp.turbosound.com/datasheets/legacy%20products/tms4.pdf - ftp://ftp.turbosound.com/datasheets/legacy%20products/tms4.pdf





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Posted By: iNDiSCREETAK
Date Posted: 12 December 2009 at 7:45pm
Originally posted by djstefanos djstefanos wrote:



That is a sexy little system. Love those bins.


Posted By: onefootskenk77
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 1:07am

LOVE THE STELA!




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Posted By: Nenita
Date Posted: 19 December 2009 at 5:43am

Hello, I hope that you are well: you have the plans of this low tse218 or tse118 of turbosound? I need it very urgent if you have or if you can say to me where I found this I thanks to you.

I am pending of your answer. kindly. Argelia



Posted By: siono
Date Posted: 18 May 2010 at 6:54pm
painted versions

 


Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 10:29am

Legends


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Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 4:50pm
I've never seen those before. Are they cut-down TB3020's, or did you rebuild / custom build them?




Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 1:31pm


Iron Maidens Tms3 stash..


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 4:03pm
That's a great shot. I do remember them, not all individually though.

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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 4:27pm
how come on those tms3's, the HF is central between the mid horns on some (and most ive seen) yet these seem to have some with the HF on a top/bottom end. Wierd

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 4:35pm
Hi Ginge, it seems strange being able to answer this, but when the first cabs were done the horn was on top. Its also when the horn used was from Bob Stern in Oregon. He was a systems man in the US. From what I remember, it was discovered that there was a coupling problem with 2 mid horns together, so, quite simply, they were separated with the horn, which we also used to make.

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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 8:07pm
Evil things TMS3's, had to fly a pair from the ceiling in a pub just down the road from me, never worked so hard in my life (or crapped my pant's they were gonna come down again) sounded good though!

I Was at Turbosound this Wednesday, they had 16 TSW218's waiting to go on the bonfire? They had just come off tour with divvy rascal and were driven so hard they were leaking! 
I did suggest they stuck em on SP for a 100 quid each but they declined saying they didn't want them public! I imagine they'd be very good with a TMS3 stuck on top of a pair of them!


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Posted By: Tedski
Date Posted: 23 October 2010 at 2:15am
I know a company in Germany that still has about 30 of the old beasts.

They rarely use them anymore, but the boss still has a major soft spot for them, so he just keeps them. Full flying gear for them and everything.

Can you imagine flying those 130kilo boxes 4 wide and 4 deep???
Endless headroom I imagine...



Posted By: OGHinz
Date Posted: 12 December 2010 at 2:33pm
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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 12 December 2010 at 6:57pm
Originally posted by 4D 4D wrote:



Iron Maidens Tms3 stash..
Note the 2 metric tonnes of TSW124 in the back ground!!! Smile


Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 12 December 2010 at 9:33pm
If anyone that worked for me stacked cabinets like that then I would sack them---What a total mess---It costs nothing but a little extra time to do things neat and tidy.


Posted By: Strange Daze
Date Posted: 15 December 2010 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

It costs nothing but a little extra time to do things neat and tidy.


I see your point but 9 times out of 10, on tour, time is exactly what you don't have spare of...


Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 15 December 2010 at 2:45pm
Yes, but that picture is not on tour its in their storage warehouse and even if it was on tour, I would still expect to see neat and tidy stacking along with tidy cabling on stage around speaker stacks, amp racks and multicore systems----I see far too many messes on stage from majour tours down to small venues and there is just no excuse for it----if time is tight then the get-in should be earlier.


Posted By: Strange Daze
Date Posted: 15 December 2010 at 3:34pm
ah fair play I guess. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
I just feel it is a little harsh.
YES - If saftey is an issue, then you've got to maintain standards in the warehouse...
....but lets not forget, this is meant to be a nice chilled industry.
:-)


Posted By: lgosdset
Date Posted: 18 December 2010 at 11:25am
Originally posted by Strange Daze Strange Daze wrote:

ah fair play I guess. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
I just feel it is a little harsh.
YES - If saftey is an issue, then you've got to maintain standards in the warehouse...
....but lets not forget, this is meant to be a nice chilled industry.
:-)


really?Shocked


Posted By: Phil B
Date Posted: 18 December 2010 at 9:15pm
Well here`s BRP`s old wall of Flashlight.... all gone now.







And points for naming this Flash box...





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Posted By: James Tengo
Date Posted: 19 December 2010 at 4:21pm
Too easy, it's the extra HF pack. TFS 780 HF


Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 10:22am
Chavved from Facebook courtesy of Turbosound...
















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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 10:35am
whoa. are they all tms5s in the second pic? 64 of them flown?


Posted By: Risc_Terilia
Date Posted: 02 October 2011 at 11:49am
Some rare-ish bits here http://en.audiofanzine.com/search/images/turbosound+++++2,p.7.html if you skip back a few pages you can see some fun turbosound festival rigs to.


Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 02 October 2011 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by cravings cravings wrote:

whoa. are they all tms5s in the second pic? 64 of them flown?
They look Like FlashLight with ground Stacked TMs-3s, Poss an Iron Maiden outing....Smile


Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 2:47pm
'Was not was' banners on stage front says no, Big smile.

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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 8:23pm
Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

Originally posted by cravings cravings wrote:

whoa. are they all tms5s in the second pic? 64 of them flown?
They look Like FlashLight with ground Stacked TMs-3s, Poss an Iron Maiden outing....Smile

Bit small for Iron Maiden init? LOL


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Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by colint colint wrote:

Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

They look Like FlashLight with ground Stacked TMs-3s, Poss an Iron Maiden outing....Smile
Bit small for Iron Maiden init? LOL

That's what the 'Maiden techs use instead of headphones.


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 9:49am
The sight of all those cabs makes me wonder if the youngsters (!!) of today realise how powerful old-school PAs were. The Floodlights/Flashlights/TSM3s were each as loud as most modern line array (sic) units but with a much narrower dispersion pattern so think what several dozen of them were capable of. I can't remember if it was Robbo or JBL-Man who commented on the same thing a while back - both the systems in the last two photos look loud enough to shake your fillings loose!

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Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 10:14am

Big, heavy but bloody efficient. The sheer volume of air that those systems moved was always impressive.



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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 10:41am
Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

The sight of all those cabs makes me wonder if the youngsters (!!) of today realise how powerful old-school PAs were. The Floodlights/Flashlights/TSM3s were each as loud as most modern line array (sic) units but with a much narrower dispersion pattern so think what several dozen of them were capable of. I can't remember if it was Robbo or JBL-Man who commented on the same thing a while back - both the systems in the last two photos look loud enough to shake your fillings loose!
 
I just wish that all of the young whippersnappers on here had winessed those type of 70s and 80s touring systems to fully realise how good concert sound was back then as I am now totally p-ssed off with listening to line array systems that either do not work or sound like an i-pod on steroids.


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 11:02am
I absolutely agree John,35 years on,and some of these big modern systems sound appalling,im not just looking through rose tinted glasses and saying"oh the good old days were better ",they genuinely were!....give me a big heavy ground stacked rig (with Gauss,ATC and JBL drivers inside) over this flown nonsense any day.

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Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 11:53am

The main thing line array has going for it is convenience. It’s quick and easy to fly and doesn’t take up too much space. It has it’s uses without doubt but put it up against some of those older rigs and it may come as a surprise to anyone not familiar with how well they used to perform.

Guess it’s all horses for courses and newer technology does bring many benefits but I can’t help feeling that in many ways the magic that these 70’s and 80’s rigs brought to concert has been lost.



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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 3:29pm
Big speakers = Big sound

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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

I absolutely agree John,35 years on,and some of these big modern systems sound appalling,im not just looking through rose tinted glasses and saying"oh the good old days were better ",they genuinely were!....give me a big heavy ground stacked rig (with Gauss,ATC and JBL drivers inside) over this flown nonsense any day.

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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 5:56pm
I don't have issue with flown PA, in  general I can get a better sound by hanging Mid-Hi boxes than ground stack as it gives more freedom to "point" them acurately..
 
My issue is with systems that can't produce full range in either degrees of coverage, dBs or Hertz.
 
Took the Ex to see Whitesanke/Def Leppard @ the SECC, the sound was nothing sort of spot on, over 95% of teh arena (and we did walk around to check) from memory it was a Scan gig with d&B line array, but they did have 7 hangs of it (yep 3 aside and a centre "downfill") all under control, all time aligned and all sounding like a PA, I agree this is the exception, most gigs like that have 4 (or god forbid 2) hangs of something designed to throw 200m with a beam angle of single FlashLight box and sound like R2D2 raping a Plastation 2...
 
Obviously 200 TMS-3 with some FlashLight and pile of 124s and 121s would have been better as they would have been blue and that is important!!!
 
Smile


Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

...and sound like R2D2 raping a Plastation 2...

ClapLegendary quote there Sir!


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Posted By: godathunder
Date Posted: 15 March 2012 at 10:39pm
was having a hippy hawkwind mo last night and found what Im assuming is the the turbo festie rig c1970 at the isle of wight invasion. Id always assumed it was built a good few years later - or is the footage chronologically challenged?
 
3:06 into this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_OIWgi5qw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_OIWgi5qw


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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 15 March 2012 at 11:13pm
As well as having better touring PA rigs 35 years ago, the engineers that were running them were a hell of a lot better into the bargain----Most of us regular touring guys were on first names with each other, both FOH and the onstage monitor engineers paths used to cross on a regular basis on different tours and there was a certain respect among all of the touring engineers because we all knew what the other guys were capable of.
It was exactly the same when you arrived at most of the standard venues that were on most of the top acts tours---As soon as you walked in the stage door, you knew the stage manager and most of the get in crew either by first names or nicknames and they all knew us as well and the kettle soon went on. Nowadays it all seems very impersonal with pressure on everyone involved in a show to be one up on everyone else---Give me the laid back but still professional approach from the seventies and eighties and I will show you a much happier bunch of people.   


Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 16 March 2012 at 8:13am
Originally posted by godathunder godathunder wrote:

was having a hippy hawkwind mo last night and found what Im assuming is the the turbo festie rig c1970 at the isle of wight invasion. Id always assumed it was built a good few years later - or is the footage chronologically challenged?
 3:06 into this clip  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_OIWgi5qw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_OIWgi5qw
The video is a mish mash of various films of the band - the IOW Festival PA was provided by Charlie Watkins (WEM) and famously used his parabolic reflectors for long throw & supplemented by Pink Floyds PA system too - lots of the crowd still couldn't hear. Some of the pics would have been taken around the time of the Space Ritual tour others at various festivals in the early seventies.  Tony Andrews did cut his teeth designing cabs for Hawkwind (and the Pink Fairies) but remember, Hawkwind themselves did not appear on the festival stage, rather they played IIRC in  'Canvas City' outside the main site in an inflatable structure http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow-frendz-hawk.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow-frendz-hawk.html  and would have used their own PA system (probably WEM or HIWATT - 300/400 watts max with 3 or 4 4x12 cabs a side) driven by a portable generator. They were watched here by Hendrix who later dedicated a song to the man with the silver face (Nik Turner)
Some detailed info about the event here http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow1970menu.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow1970menu.html  and here http://www.safeconcerts.com/photos/isle-of-wight-festival/1970/around-the-site.asp" rel="nofollow - http://www.safeconcerts.com/photos/isle-of-wight-festival/1970/around-the-site.asp  and some general IOW pics here   http://theothea.com.free.fr/wight70.htm#galerie1" rel="nofollow - http://theothea.com.free.fr/wight70.htm#galerie1 .


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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 25 December 2012 at 1:39am
couple of nice photos of some old TB3020 boxes.. lifted from a french forum http://www.pssaudio.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=205&mode=threaded&pid=657" rel="nofollow - here





Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 25 December 2012 at 10:23am
They are the genuine original Turbosound cabinets built by SSE at Lenton Lane in Nottingham--Certainly bring back a few memories.


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 25 December 2012 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

Originally posted by godathunder godathunder wrote:

was having a hippy hawkwind mo last night and found what Im assuming is the the turbo festie rig c1970 at the isle of wight invasion. Id always assumed it was built a good few years later - or is the footage chronologically challenged?
 3:06 into this clip  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_OIWgi5qw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_OIWgi5qw
The video is a mish mash of various films of the band - the IOW Festival PA was provided by Charlie Watkins (WEM) and famously used his parabolic reflectors for long throw & supplemented by Pink Floyds PA system too - lots of the crowd still couldn't hear. Some of the pics would have been taken around the time of the Space Ritual tour others at various festivals in the early seventies.  Tony Andrews did cut his teeth designing cabs for Hawkwind (and the Pink Fairies) but remember, Hawkwind themselves did not appear on the festival stage, rather they played IIRC in  'Canvas City' outside the main site in an inflatable structure http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow-frendz-hawk.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow-frendz-hawk.html  and would have used their own PA system (probably WEM or HIWATT - 300/400 watts max with 3 or 4 4x12 cabs a side) driven by a portable generator. They were watched here by Hendrix who later dedicated a song to the man with the silver face (Nik Turner)
Some detailed info about the event here http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow1970menu.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow1970menu.html  and here http://www.safeconcerts.com/photos/isle-of-wight-festival/1970/around-the-site.asp" rel="nofollow - http://www.safeconcerts.com/photos/isle-of-wight-festival/1970/around-the-site.asp  and some general IOW pics here   http://theothea.com.free.fr/wight70.htm#galerie1" rel="nofollow - http://theothea.com.free.fr/wight70.htm#galerie1 .
I help set up 2 of these for a concert in Basildon, Essex. 2 huge red parabolic reflectors and 6 turbo sound double 18's did the whole venue


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Posted By: Santaclaus
Date Posted: 27 December 2012 at 1:46am
love a bit of old school, hows thing move on these days

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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 31 December 2013 at 5:03pm
I have tms-2 serial 2 & 4, serial 1 & 3 have burned. Pics to come soon.
They will be for sale soon or I'll swap them for four other tms-2s, I want something that I can bare to bring around! I want to fit the drivers inside that the boxes was originally born with.

Meanwhile you can have a look at this pic, new painted tms-2s, half of my system (without subs:-)
AND YES: They will be SPLAYED before use!


6 turbo tms-2s + 12 tt1000 bph


Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 02 January 2014 at 12:52pm


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 02 January 2014 at 5:00pm
That looks like tfl-760 with tse-118 under?
Tops are not really that old.

Just stumpled upon 360 tms-3s on my way, often heard about this, but never saw the pic before:

360!? I thought they "only" had 96! Didn't anyone think about comb filter back then?

Don't forget this thread:
http://forum.speakerplans.com/vintage-rig-porn_topic16967_page1.html


Posted By: Twiggy
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 5:11am
Hi does anyone know how low the 2x15's go in the tb3020. From a brochure madboffin posted I got 300 18lr crossover between the 15s and 10's and bullets up to 16khz.


Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 8:55am
My subs are the 780L 21"s :)

Yep that's floodlight :)


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Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 7:32pm
The 3020 will go as low as a TB215, or the later TSE215, which was listed as 60Hz. However if you stack some together they will go lower. 4 x 215's was pretty good.


Posted By: Phil B
Date Posted: 24 January 2014 at 12:47am
http://www.turbosound.com/docs2/company_brochure_14/FLASH/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.turbosound.com/docs2/company_brochure_14/FLASH/index.html

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Posted By: Djdarch
Date Posted: 24 January 2014 at 9:56am
that was a great read , thanks



Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 03 October 2014 at 3:20pm
low res photo, but is this the old festival system?



lisdoonvarna festival 1983.


Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 03 October 2014 at 4:43pm
Looks like it. Here is a larger pic of it in action - the stacked low mids seem to be correct in the original post.

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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 03 October 2014 at 6:42pm
Is that a bit of two-by jammed between mids for splaying?

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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 03 October 2014 at 8:06pm
Originally posted by burningbush burningbush wrote:

Is that a bit of two-by jammed between mids for splaying?
Probably - that 'rigging' and cab design was probably worked out later in the evolution of Turbosound. Probably the positioning/stacking of the cabs would have been found out through trial & error - as are most things - and if the system had a Version 2, this would have been designed into the cabs. I don't think there was a V2 of the festival system, so probably Flashlight would have been the next generation and encompassing all the modifications & changes that were required.


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 October 2014 at 4:43pm
I do recognise one HF horn there, seems a strange setup by todays way of doing things.

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Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 06 October 2014 at 10:20pm
The HF horns are arranged in the centre of the stack to provide a single point source.
They also experimented with various combiners and manifolds for HF, including one with 4 x JBL 2420 on a small horn.



Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 19 October 2015 at 11:48am
Any information on this Ancient "turboconcentric' tripple driver monitor?:
http://forum.speakerplans.com/turbosound-tfm2-monitor_topic93558.html

Never saw anything like it!
Can't find any info on it!
1987, not that ancient, but info is harder to come by than for the old festival system.


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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 19 October 2015 at 11:53am
They had a few bat-shit ideas, not least of which the TFM-3 which was a tri-amp beast, apparently even BRP wouldn't touch them (3-amp channels and an FDS360 per send) most them were stripped down and the woodwork skipped at Star Road.
 
What you have looks in a similar vain, but dual concentric 2-way which is better then 3-way...
 
You best hope of any info would probably be Funktion One as they were there at the time...


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 19 October 2015 at 11:58am
Tms'3s comes with passive crossover too.
But Tri-amp is most often preferred, when running muilti-box systems xover is nothing.
I removed all my filters from my tms-2 & run fully active.
tms-3s are heavy, but nice I bet, hard to stack, not the angle between mids, they have to be vertically splayed as well. Who cut up cabs & what happened to then?
Should turn into tse-215 & 211


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Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 25 October 2015 at 12:09am
Here is the original flyer, dated 1986, introducing the TFM-2:
http://www.spamabyss.net/pictures/tfm2flyer.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.spamabyss.net/pictures/tfm2flyer.jpg

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I can't remember much about the TFM-2 except that very few were sold, so it was a major failure as a product.

UK List Price in 1991 was GBP 1722, Export Price was GBP 861. Even allowing for a substantial discount off list,  I suspect they were too expensive for the market.
Also perhaps too radical a departure from the existing designs of the day. Monitor engineers are very conservative - you don't risk your job with a new product if your client is happy and confident with what they've used for the last few tours.

It was another 15 years before d&b came up with coaxial wedges that redefined stage monitor speaker quality, and of course advances in radio technology have ensured that in-ears have now replaced wedges for many applications.

And I'm sure somebody once told me a sad story of plastic horns melting in the heat after a day on a festival stage in the Southern European sunshine...

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TFM-2 Information from Component Map (Issue 3, December 1994):
Up to S.N. 152259
Bass LS-1506 (RC-1506)
Mid LS-1509 (RC-1508) but I think RC-1508 is a misprint
HF CD-202/16 (RD-020)
Network PX-2M

S.N. 512263 onwards
Bass LS-1506 (RC-1506)
Mid LS-1509 (RC-1509)
HF CD-203 (RD-203)
Network PX-F2

(RC and RD are the recone and re-diaphragm kits)
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From a Product Range Catalogue, undated but Edgetech period, so around 1990:

TFM Series:
The TFM series embodies the results of two years of extensive research This programme has led to the development of the TurboConcentric principle (patents pending).
Turbosound have created the new technique to provide the floor monitor user with a standard of performance which emulates that of the TurboMid device, yet in a shallower cabinet profile.
The TurboConcentric device also acts as a waveguide for the HF driver, mounted in the centre of the unit.
THe TFM series is unique in providing finely detailed full-range information at very high power levels from compact floor monitor enclosures.

TFM-2
The TFM-2 High Power Floor Monitor is a bi-amped 3-way enclosure. It contains a front mounted 15" midrange driver and a concentrically mounted 2" compression driver, using the TurboConcentric principle. A downward-facing 15" bass driver is loaded by a development of the TurboBass device and outputs through an aperure on the front lower face of the unit.

TFM-2 Specification
Biamp, 2-way, EP-6 connector
Weight 56kg (123.5 lbs)
LF 1 x 15", MF 1x 15", HF 1x 2"
Frequency response 60 - 18k Hz, +/-4dB
Dispersion 60 degrees conical @ 6dB down
Power handling total 550W RMS, 1100W programme
Sensitivity 104dB 1W 1m
Max SPL 123dB (135dB peak)
Crossover point 250 Hz
LF 8 ohms, MF/HF 8 ohms

A later (Winter 1992, AKG era) version of the catalogue added the TFM-250 and 350, but these didn't make use of the "TurboConcentric device" and were of conventional design. They were still listed in the
Winter 1994, (Harman era) catalogue but by then the TFM-2 had been dropped from the range.





Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 25 October 2015 at 12:20am
Originally posted by tv00 tv00 wrote:

Tms'3s comes with passive crossover too.
But Tri-amp is most often preferred, when running muilti-box systems xover is nothing.
I removed all my filters from my tms-2 & run fully active.
tms-3s are heavy, but nice I bet, hard to stack, not the angle between mids, they have to be vertically splayed as well. Who cut up cabs & what happened to then?
Should turn into tse-215 & 211
 
The TM3 was only ever Tri-amp, the small board on back panel was a HF protect network, any TMS-3 running 2 way must have hade a pair of PX4s nailed in as an after thought....


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 05 November 2015 at 3:02pm
Any information on that 15" coaxial from the tfm-2?
I tried fitting a b&c like the d&b max monitor driver.
But the distance from the high horn to the cone seems to big, more than enough space for my fingers.

I wonder if the original driver had a horn in the middle fitting the outer horn?
Otherwise the cone must've been very flat, but often turbodrivers are curvilinear (not flat)

I wanted to do a measurement with / without the horn on the b&c yesterday, but didn't get around to it.

Any info?


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Posted By: L8 ECU
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 11:30am
Some questions.............re the video below (Sunsplash 1985 at Selhurst Park)............

I was there on the day (disco console hire/set-up for Cap Radio.  Rodigan was using turntables / console during next band set-ups.........

Are the monitors Turbo?  Can't find any images of them on google image search.

Drum fills - HUGE.......same question: Turbo?  

Was this gig done by Brit Row? 

Guessing by the size of rig (hidden by scrim) that Brit Row had enough Turbosound gear in 85 without having to sub-hire?   Got to be 40 cabs per side, so 60 to 80k ?

ANY other info would be appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVJee2cjbGU


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 1:43pm
Yeah, they're turbo, they're LOUD!
I made a thread on the box...

No original drivers, fitted fane studio 15b, even though it's not that powerfull watt-wise it plays loud.
Then I fit a b&c neo coax much like the one in the d&b, but I can't decide wether I like it with the horn or not, the directivity of the horn is very nice, I'd have to measure it, the horn is almost 2 cm from the cone, so the original driver must've had a very flat cone I assume, but where would i get that turbopd?


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Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 8:01pm
The drumfills look like TMS4, and the sidefills stacked pairs of TMS3.


Posted By: L8 ECU
Date Posted: 11 November 2015 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by madboffin madboffin wrote:

The drumfills look like TMS4, and the sidefills stacked pairs of TMS3.
 
Clap Thanks, that makes sense now.........both are superb cabs for those jobs, and really fast to position/connect up.
 
The wedges are difficult to find images or specs for. 
 
Could they be some "other brand" of wedge monitor, but painted blue (ne turbo purple) to match the Turbosound kit?
 
 


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 13 December 2015 at 9:48am
Ok, I've been looking for the real old drivers for the worlds oldest tms-2s, to make them original.
So now I got these two 15" with no turbobadge, did anyone see anything like this before?



They're from serial number 250, they also have cd-101 that looks like new, they've been stored inside for all those years! I plan to put these inside serial 2 & 4 together with some real old turbo fane 10" with quite small magnets. So, after 5 years I think finally become original like they once were.


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 28 December 2015 at 7:24pm
Ok, I've reached the conclusion that they must be original as the old 10" drivers has the same funny small backplate. I started a separate thread on the subject not to hijack this one:-) -Look here:
http://forum.speakerplans.com/topic94245_post947203.html#947203


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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 29 December 2015 at 6:35am
fane 15" driver.


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 29 December 2015 at 11:53am
Yeah, that's true ... Are you trying to say something?


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Posted By: LunchieTey
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 4:14am
Can anyone help with info on some tms3 cabs I have?

They have ls-1504 bass, 1001 mids (all 15s and 10s have the silver/blue labels) and a jbl 2445 top end BUT have "fitted with the v-2" on the input plate suggesting the 2445 is not original?

They also have a 500uf cap across the mids and two small blue poly caps on the hf with a small resistor. Is this just a protective device in case lf gets mixed up into mf/hf channels?

Was there a passive mf/hf version and does anyone have the xover schematic?

Lots of questions I know! :D

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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 9:43am
Whow, those are old fane drivers aren't they?

Crossover schematics used to be on the turboserver until it got all behringer.
Unfortunately I was not smart enough to download all:-(
In a week I'll pickup 6 pcs tms-3, then I can look in them.

One thing sure is strange: To my knowledge the V-2 was fitted in the later tms-3s where the earlier model had that awfull jbl weapon inside. But your model sounds like an earlier version with those drivers (later ones had PD ls-1507 & ls-1004) I have 4 pcs brand new ls-1507 and used 1004...

Perhaps they downgraded it to the old version to be similar to the others?
Also I believe that quite a few deaf american would prefer to have their ears ripped from the distortion of a jbl 2445 just because of the "jbl" mark and "made in usa" (which is probably mexico:-) Get rid of these ASAP.

You can buy 1" drivers joiners similar to the turbo, also you can get the beyma cp-350 driver used around (the "ti" model is a later version)
But I think you'll be better of with bms. Some use 4550, I prefer 4538, looking at the specs the 4550 appears to have more power, until you look at sensivity, then it becomes obvious that they should play equal as the extra power is lost in less sensivity.

I don't know how well the "V-2" works or how much it affects the sound, also I have no idea how well the high-horn is designed or how well the thing performs above 10khz, some measurements sure would be nice :-)

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Posted By: LunchieTey
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 11:15am
Yeah I emailed "turbosound" and just got the "contact your local service agent" weak customer service bullsh1t.

Yes it is an old version, apparently owned by one guy from the early 80s, then bought by someone who I have found has a 12 minute video procrastinating about how he will restore them (on youtube) and waffling on about the old days of real audio. He then has a second video when he inexplicably spends DAYS trying to hand sand one back after stripping it of all hardware and going on about having all the drivers "realigned" or some garbage. That exact stripped down cabinet (and the other original) are what I bought. Apparently after talking sh1t for hours he gave up.

The 2445s look rather old so I'd say they have been there a while (probably 20 years). I do have some semi decent RCF 1" kicking around (N450 I think?) But not sure they'll have the balls to keep up...Probably even do ok with some Paudio Bm750s.

An original xover design would be amazing if I can find it, even just for the lowpass section(if they were actually low passed) I can make up a new one for the high end from there with an RTA and maybe the Dayton software.

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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 11:43am
google for turbosound tms-3 and look at the spec sheet.

They have no crossovers at all
They're 3-way active boxes.

I'll check if there's any protection circuits in mine...


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Posted By: LunchieTey
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 12:16pm
Yeah I thought they were active but have read somewhere about passive versions? Only on the mids/hf obviously.

If they don't exist I'll just go active either way. Actually going to turn the top end into 211s(which definitely had a passive xover) and have 215s seperately as 134kg is just too much.

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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 12:20pm
Great idea, I plan to cut a few too keep us posted :-)
Box size is ridicules, I guess size was equal to quality in the 80s :-)


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 12:20pm
Not that flashlight of the 90s is any better with regards to weight :-(


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 25 December 2016 at 12:00am
OH NO, What an abuse of a pointsource system to place it on a line! 4DPA got it right :-)
You have comb filter chaos all over the place, that's for sure, but furthermore the subarray is sooo long it get's caridod unless sides are delayed.
This sounds awful, what an abuse of good speakers (THL is quite new turbo in my eyes:-)

Originally posted by djstefanos djstefanos wrote:







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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 25 December 2016 at 12:10pm
That system is a bit like giving a monkey a machine gun---Great gear but they do not have a clue how to use it.
We used to have a 4 stack Hi-Light system that we used in theatres to give the wide coverage required in most venues--The THL2 top cabinets are very wide dispersion and the system shown in the pics is hilarious for obvious reasons!!!!


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 25 December 2016 at 12:37pm
+1 on that, I hope this is just a pic DJ stefanos posted and not his own system
Also I hope this system was rented in by novices and not owned by spoiled idiots ! :-)

By the way I have more to post on here now:
Found the very first fane 15" with small magnet backplate & turbobadge, so that mean I have a collection of first 10", 15", 1" and the oldest tms-2s in the world.

Also I got a hold of 6 pcs tms-3s from pink floyd the wall soundsystem / BBM
I started splitting them in two, but my carpenter friend is a having sex tripper! -He didn't show up when we were supposed to finish it, that's how my life is, me alone in the workshop wondering why the others never showed up:-( -But I have cat and a lot of attractive old speakers :-)

Oh, also I got my TFM-2 dual concentric monitors up & running, I had to fit a different coaxial driver, aktually the b&c coax measured much better with the horn than without! -Even though it appears to be sitting too far back, now I got one from RED audio, that appears to fit better.
Bass is Fane colossus 15B


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Posted By: bobbysdad
Date Posted: 15 August 2017 at 10:08am
Wot a great thread this was/is.
Once a Turbosound lover, always a Turbosound lover.    Thumbs Up



Posted By: Hemisphere
Date Posted: 15 August 2017 at 4:22pm
Quote Yes it is an old version, apparently owned by one guy from the early 80s, then bought by someone who I have found has a 12 minute video procrastinating about how he will restore them (on youtube) and waffling on about the old days of  https://www.amazon.com/Moov-Now-Stealth-Fitness-Tracker/dp/B01CX26IP8" rel="nofollow - real audio . He then has a second video when he inexplicably spends DAYS trying to hand sand one back after stripping it of all hardware and going on about having all the drivers "realigned" or some garbage. That exact stripped down cabinet (and the other original) are what I bought.
Haha, I've seen that video, thought he sounded a bit of a muppet when I saw it.

Quote Apparently after talking sh1t for hours he gave up
Amateur! You've got to talk shit for a lot longer than that before you get anywhere.



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