G-Sub + X12...
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Topic: G-Sub + X12...
Posted By: trance_audio
Subject: G-Sub + X12...
Date Posted: 22 June 2008 at 6:58pm
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What do you think about this system ? http://img3.imagebanana.com/">  ...there's an error....BDM instead of BMD... few question.... Is it better to build 4 scoops for each side with same drivers or this BR will be better ? It will be used for dance/house/techno/trance open-air parties and sometimes for rock/pop-rock... Is ther something better for the money ? For how many people ~ it can be used ? And if i go with half woofer (4 instead of 8 drivers), one 12" per box instead of two and half power amplifying how many people ~ than ? Sorry for my bad english....  Thanks ! |
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Posted By: Deadbeat
Date Posted: 22 June 2008 at 9:17pm
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How many people are you planning to use it for, and does open air = open fields? Also, for the stuff you're going for, don't go anywhere near to scoops. Reflex boxes are very versatile and work with most kinds of music. You should really design your own reflex box around the P Audios, as the GSubs are tuned for the 186. Use winisd if you know how to well, if not, I'm sure the nice chaps at the poweraudio forum have a few plans. ------------- Away on extended leave. |
Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 22 June 2008 at 9:32pm
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I would recommend using a larger compression driver in that setup. 1" drivers are fine with a single 12" but won't keep up properly with a pair. Also you'll want to get the crossover point lower than you can with a 1". I'm using two high efficiency 12" drivers in an X12-like cab and starting to find that even a high-end 1.4" compression driver is running out of headroom on transients! |
Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 22 June 2008 at 10:58pm
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for that amount of sub, I'd go for a 2" P-audio WN-D72 or BM-D750 or better than dat the new PRE NEO 750 ------------- general manager & head designer at nexus-acoustics research http://www.facebook.com/nexus.acoustics.research" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/nexus.acoustics.research Ex Nexus_3 |
Posted By: trance_audio
Date Posted: 22 June 2008 at 11:39pm
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...yes, i mean open field, not room (but it's not field...something like basketball terrain)...don't know, about 200-300 people... What do you suggest for that ? |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 11:51am
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Port depth for those 18's = 100mm. Use 2" comps and SN-12MB's!
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 11:55am
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Build the X12's as per the plan with the recommended components. The 100mm port depth was given by Rog himself. Tunes the box to 42Hz odd. F3 will be in upper 30's if I'm not mistaken.
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 11:56am
O, sorry for all the posts. That rig will be LOUD.
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 12:03pm
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Amplifier wise I will go for: 2x XLS 5000 on bass 2x XLS 802 on mid 1 x XLS 602 on highs. Better yet for a budget: 2x Crest CD 3000 on bass 2x Crest CD 2000 on mid 2x Crest CD 1500 in tops or the CD 1000 if you must. ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 12:04pm
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Correction: 1x Crest CD 1500 on tops or the CD 1000 if you must. ------------- www.aggressiveaudio.co.za |
Posted By: trance_audio
Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 12:44pm
5 posts   i'm looking for something cheapest that will work good for 200-300 people...i'm starting with some party's...never worked with PA, only home hi-fi (diy/design box too...)...cannot go with that much amplifier in start...much money  What do you think about this: 2x SN-12MB (can SN-12B be replacement ?) + BM-D750(with PH2380 or PH3223 ?) - 2 per side... Are two X1's(or one g-sub) per side enough for start ? later i will add two more per side... |
Posted By: Deadbeat
Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 7:14pm
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200-300 people, eh? Don't touch the X1 for your music. Gsubs and X12s are a good start and will play all sorts. However, it's my personal choice but a pile of 215 copies and some hornloaded midtops would win me any day. ------------- Away on extended leave. |
Posted By: trance_audio
Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 11:53pm
simple question  Is G-Sub + 2x X12 per side enough for 200-300 people ?....for start....i'll double it when i get money....and double.....and double.....  and something more.....locar dealer has SN-12MB II (600W instead of 200W ??)....can i use SN-12B as replacement for SN-12MB ? |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 19 July 2008 at 9:59am
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1x Gsub + 1x X12 a side sould just do 250Pax with the right power
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Posted By: soundgodwannabe
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 3:49am
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Although this thread is about a year old. I can tell you that 2 G SUBS and single 15's are awesome. I ran them with Mackie 1400i's and they rocked up to about 400 people indoors. I put pole mounts into the top of the G SUBS to put 18" poles between the 15's and the 18's. Good way to start.
------------- Make the soundman mad and I WILL press the suck button for your band. |
Posted By: LunchieTey
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 10:01am
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I can do 300 people corporate jobs with 100+ on dancefloor with a single x1 a side and a single 12" cab a side. 750wpc on bass 350-400 for tops(not run very hard anyway) You can cover hundreds of people with very little but it depends on how loud you want the whole area. Otherwise just pound the dancefloor only :) ------------- Speaker addict |
Posted By: jonminns
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 12:33pm
| LunchieTey - i bet there's a lovely frequency gap in the middle of those 2 |
Posted By: LunchieTey
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 3:01pm
Not really, the single 12" cab can be run fullrange at 200wrms down to 45hz(love sn12mbs  )They are flat to 60(the box is not a small design) so crossed at 80 are capable of filling in nicely. I'm not talking d&b here, this is corporate top 40 cheese type music and sound fine(mid to subs delayed accordingly) and I am not doing massive spl. Just saying really that if you only need to cover a small area at high spl(dancefloor only) then you don't need mega systems to do it. If you need to fill the whole venue, then yeah you'd need the 8 cab system :) Oh and on that point, I actually will be transforming the boxes to compact reflex at some stage, the are lovely for r&b etc but have the classic slowish 6th order response...  ------------- Speaker addict |
Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 30 May 2009 at 10:22am
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All this P Audio in stock somewhere?
I'd check first. ------------- It's everything, not everythink! |
Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 9:28pm
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Hey I'm thinking of building a very similair setup with 1 g subs and 2 x12 as my first ever build and was wondering what your final decisions for drivers you had made?
cheers |
Posted By: soundguymatt
Date Posted: 25 March 2010 at 1:55pm
| Old thread but I'm too looking at building some G subs. Looking at doing small gigs 150-200 people first with 1 Gsub a side then moving upto 2 a side and doing outdoor events of a similar scale. |
Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 25 March 2010 at 6:15pm
| Tried and tested way to go. You don't necessarily have to stick with GSubs and X12's. Both designs have scope to be customised and refined. |
Posted By: soundguymatt
Date Posted: 25 March 2010 at 8:45pm
| if i load a half Gsub with a Fane Colossus 18XB, how high do you think it would go? |
Posted By: lighttechadam
Date Posted: 26 August 2010 at 8:12am
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how high do our half g-subs go matt? ------------- http://www.playlivemusic.co.uk |
Posted By: DiscernAudio
Date Posted: 07 March 2012 at 6:41pm
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