Maybe build the Punisher 2’s???
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Topic: Maybe build the Punisher 2’s???
Posted By: Tom Umney
Subject: Maybe build the Punisher 2’s???
Date Posted: 17 June 2005 at 10:04pm
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The 15 inch scoop I bought from mans1000 is extremelly heavy and thats unloaded too. So will have to keep that in the garage and only use that for events on the ground floor. So I guess the Punisher 2 is more compact and less heavy than a 15 inch scoop, if I build a Punisher out of 15mm birch ply??? But hopefully 2x Punishers 2's stacked together and used in events I do on the 2nd floor with max 100 ppl will be sufficent?? [mostly reggae,dub or dnb is played]. I would use the suggested Ciare driver and power it with either a bridged rmx2450 each punisher 2 bin[giving it 1500w rms each], or get a rmx1850hd and then [two in bridge,900w rms each driver] or rmx4050hd [two punisher 2 bin's in bridge] but 2000w rms to each driver might f**k it. But how difficult is it to build the punisher 2??? And how heavy would it be with the Ciare driver in it, if I make it out of 15mm birch ply??? Cost is not a problem this time as the Ciare drivers is only £99 each.
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Probably cos its made of 22mm MDF.
So could afford to spend more on 15mm or 18mm birch ply.Replies:
Posted By: rastaman
Date Posted: 17 June 2005 at 11:31pm
It's a how long is a piece of string question innit?  The punisher certainly looks more complicated than a scoop, which is more complicated than an X1 which is more complicated than a closed box. Have you ever built a box? You seem to talk about buying or having them made for you a lot, so I figure your a box building newb like my good self. Speaking of which I was out looking at table saws today, my local store has a small one for $87 so that maybe the way to go. I can swivel the blade on it and everything. http://www.protechpower.com/pages/41064.pdf">  Please all critcise it now, before I buy it. I'm thinking of skipping the shallow end, and jumping in the middle of the pool by building some scoops to start with, hey with a handle like rastaman, what do you expect 
Then after a slew of scoops I will progress towards the deep end, with
some folded horns, like looneys, or punishers, or LABhorns depending
what fits in best, maybe one of Roborgs http://roborg.freefronthost.com/plans.htm - infrabass beasties.So Toxic is the Punisher more like half a LAB or a cut down looney bin? At tb_mikes advice I've been reading through the LAB history, and they talk at one point about a halfLAB, though it sounds like it's kind of a one hand clapping deal, where you need the other halfLAB to get anywhere, wheras Punisher people say that even one a side produces some nice sounds. Anyone in the Midwest who wants to show of their horn in me barnyard, get in touch I have the luxury of no close neighbours, we could run experiments on how corn responds to sub-bass (or after reading the Holliman stuff, infrabass)  |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 3:59am
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Ahhhhhhhh! so thats how crop-circles are made! CORN + HEAVY BASS = FLATTENING. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 4:06am
 ------------- Be seeing you. |
ToXiC wrote:Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 4:13am
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A punisher and a scoop are different animals completely. The punishers
would pull the pants off the scoop output-wise. When stacked huugely
the scoops might go a little lower, but as to the rest.... Two punishers should be more than enough for 100 peeps (actually, one should be enough). Two mid-tops like the X12 would be a simple addition or if you want it really simple but a little bigger X15s. |
Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 9:17am
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Ok one Punisher 2 then!!! And although my woodworking skills are pretty crap,my m8 offered to help me build it[as his job is a carpenter]. So if I use the pair of RCF ART 500's and pair of Behringer B1520's too[modified with Eminence Delta Pro 15's now] with 1x Punisher 2, I don't want the Punisher 2 to over power the mid/tops or the mid/tops to over power the Punisher 2. What I mean by that is don't wanna hear just bass or don't wanna hear just a lot of mid/highs.
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Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 9:26am
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So apart from the driver and wood and bits and pieces like screws are there any special things the Punisher 2 has??? I know the Labsub has special metal access covers, not sure if Punisher 2 has that? Or just a normal wooden access panel. Also what adhesive and what sealent are used to make the Punisher2??
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Posted By: Lyndon A
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 12:31pm
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Punisher is about 45kg I think. Access cover is just 15mm birch ply. I think our carpenter is going to caulk (spelling?) the joints. Just make sure the sealed section is a very good air tight seal.
Get the 2005 driver with 8 bits on the spider. We're buildng one now and trying it out as an idea as to what it can do but chances are we will stick with them. |
Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 12:56pm
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Someone told me to make the whole punisher 2 out of 15mm birch ply as its much lighter than making it out of 18mm birch ply. Will poly filler give a good enough air tight seal??
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Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 1:02pm
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Oh and does the Punisher double as a sub bass bin and a kick bin in one??? I mean would I be able to get from 45hz-200hz out of it?? |
Posted By: whitehousejamie
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 1:58pm
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Wouldn't you be better off building a pair of 18in reflex cabinets? They would work easily down to 40hz, and upto 200hz like you want, and would be lightweight and much cheaper / easier to build. Or you could buy a couple of Basys B15 subs |
Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 3:09pm
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Had 18 inch reflex cabs before, hated them and got rid of them. Cost is not a problem as the Punisher driver is only £99, and 15mm birch ply for 1 Punisher won't cost more than £100. My m8 is a carpenter and is willing to help so even if its complex to build,with his help I'll get them done. And as long as two people can lift the punisher its not too heavy. Just wanna make sure 1x Punisher covers the range 50hz-200hz. |
Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 3:24pm
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@ Jamie: you need a very, very clever 18" Bass-Reflex to get to a
listenable result crossed that high. It can be done, but it is very
rare to see it done. The Punisher will make it that high, but it is recommended to cross it below 130Hz if you can. However if the sound of scoops doesn't phase (warning: pun) you used that high, neither would that of the punishers. |
Posted By: Contour
Date Posted: 18 June 2005 at 6:17pm
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Hello, The Punisher sounds best when crossed low (90-130hz) this is the same for almost every folded horn I know of. Crossing them low also gives you the advantage that all the power (1500W on a single Punisher can be seen as optimal) is in the real bass range so that way the cabinet moves most air. Punisher is build out of 15mm birch ply. But it uses 4 reinforcement panels so it is quite a strong cab. The 15mm wood gives you a low weight which is favorable with transport. If you are planning to build them for an install job you can use 18mm for the outer panels. Best regards, Walt |
Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 3:38am
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walt, although 1500 W is the recommended power for these boxes i don't
currently own anything that'll do that without resorting to bridged mode. what is the bare minimum you have to use to get the driver to 'wake up'? i know the ciare is of the 'low sensitivity-high power handling' school of driver construction, have you ever tried them on something a little less powerful, or is this missing the point of this cab. james. |
Posted By: Contour
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 5:02am
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Hello, We have run the Punisher for cheaper low wattage amps. This will work but won't let the Ciare stretch its legs. I think 800W RMS is minimum. Best regards, Walt |
Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 7:38am
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hmm. i kind of figured this was the case. i shall be keeping my eyes open
for something which will make them sing as there isn't really any point building them and never powering them properly. like 1850 horns, these boxes are only for people who can afford big amps. an infinite 8 would just about do the trick at 1300 W into 8 ? and 2400 W into 4 ?. and it's over a grand... boo-hoo! such a tempting cab though with its inexpensive driver, compact size, low weight and huge output and i've heard encouraging noises about using 1 a side. hmm, just a thought but can you get the ciare (or similar) in a 4 ? version? i could easily give it 725 w then, which is getting on for useful. james. edit: footnote. curses, all those question marks were neat little omega symbols, i was feeling very smug for remembering the shortcut key too. |
Posted By: Contour
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 10:09am
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Hello, Here in Holland we get both 4 ohm and 8 ohm Ciare 12.00SW for the same price. I think you have to talk to your Ciare supplier. Best regards, Walt |
Posted By: rastaman
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 11:13am
I think you just missed norty selling one. Dom said he's still waiting for his to break down, as I recall. |
Posted By: Lyndon A
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 11:23am
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I think we might just use our two old amps in bridge mode which will maximise our amps (only 8ohm bridge stable) but provide a nice 1400w RMS. Get two punishers and thats 2800w RMS total. Hopefully that'll be louder+deeper than our current mess of 18" Bass Reflexs (totaling 1600w RMS) |
Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 11:31am
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Thats where mine went actually, going into the club with the other one. My T.amp will do 1400w @ 8R bridge.... ------------- My laser stuff: http://www.facebook.com/SubsonicSystems" rel="nofollow - Frikkin Lasers |
Posted By: rastaman
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 2:43pm
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Why haven't I seen that on Behringer's website then? As used by Dom, god of the HD15 At least it's one reliable report with positive thinsg to say. |
Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 4:33pm
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i'm scared of bridge mode. should i be?
james. |
Posted By: rastaman
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 4:52pm
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I don't think so. Most amps will take it. I seem to recall an external bridging device in one of the popular electronics magazines in the UK during the 80's, made some outrageous claim along the lines of 1 bridging device plus two 100W amps gave you 1000W or some such, they had the circuit for the bridge and amps. I remember being very impressed at that young age until of course reality said it was impossible. I'd be wary of putting too low an impedance on a bridged amp. Then again some of todays amps will drive in bridge down to an ohm or so I believe (don't own any myself). |
Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 8:17pm
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using 4 ohm drivers, you could give a pair of cabs 1200 W each for £250
with a ta-2400. powered, you'd have change from £600 for all materials with not a bridged amp in sight. but then you'd have 4 ohm cabs, which later on might annoy. dunno. pretty hypothetical at present. james. |
Posted By: rastaman
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 8:49pm
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Do Neutrik Speakon's allow you to do socket switching? What I mean is, if you build 4 ohm cabs and you use 1/4" jacks you can just have an input, and two outputs, one is a parallel out, the other interrupts the path of the -ve from the driver and allows you to link another cab in, in series. So you're two 4 ohm cabs that present an 8 ohm load, you then use the parallel out to connect to another two cabs also wired similarly so you have 4 cabs presenting a 4 ohm load, and all sharing the power evenly. Of course you could just parallel it with one real 8 ohm cab, but then the 8 ohm cab gets twice the power of the 4 ohms. Care must be taken when wiring the series jack to get the -ve signal feeding out on tip, and back on ring to keep the other series speaker in phase, also the parallel out must be wired across both speakers when the series jack is being used but apart from that it's pretty simple. If I had MATLAB or something, I'd sketch you a circuit. |
Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 9:12pm
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the angst with bridging,is probably based on two things 1)manufacturers inflated claims that dont work for low impedence dip drivers under 8hrs of stress at a real gig 2)You must remember that when bridge - each amplifer effectively sees half of the load resistance.Odd concept but its true. So bridging is effective for the higher loads while paralleling for the low loads. But theres always a limit.Im suprised we do as well as we do. Mike |
Posted By: rastaman
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 9:21pm
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Hang on, are you saying what I think your saying or the opposite? Each channel see's a half of the total load resistance, ie. in a 4 ohm load, #1 sees 2 ohms, and #2 sees 2 ohms? That's to be expected, your connecting between the two positives? Or are you saying the other, in which case I'm baffled and surprised. The other thing to remember is, as you lower the load, the losses in cables connectors etc. become more noticeable, or I should say more significant, leading to the troubles of warm cables, connectors etc. That cheap ass piece of 20 gauge you used to hook up one driver starts factoring in, that piece of solder you wound round another driver and terminal, as you didn't have any wire (I have seen this done, it scared me), heats up too. If you run a low impedance load 2ohms especially but even 4 ohms, make sure all your interconnects are high quality, and clean. If someone drops a cable end in the mud, clean it up before you bung it in. Sorry, rant over. |
Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 22 June 2005 at 3:36am
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i know these things about bridging (especially about each channel seeing
half the load resistance, self explanatory really) and it lurks at the back of my mind as something for driving big 8 ohm loads with. it is a heavy but innexpensive (ish) way of powering adult cabs, consider that 4 x ta-1400 or even 4 x ep-2500 would power a few cabs in anger and still come in at significantly less than any of the big boys out there. 8 ohm loads all round of course. regarding series/ paralell wiring, i came up with areally trick way of doing it with four pole speakons but you need to make up some special leads to do it. with 2 sockets per cab you can have any combination of series and parallel, but i gave up in the end as it just seemed unneccesary. two 4 ohm loads in series and you are back to 8 ohms but with the biggest power rating ever, this really wouldn't help. hey ho. james. |
Posted By: Hyb^
Date Posted: 22 June 2005 at 3:54pm
Indeed, the "Cool, but now WTF do we drive them with?" question arises. We conluded that no amp would power them sufficiently by themselves and not drop below 4ohm, while pairs of amps to do the required job is just more spendy. We resigned to spending more in the end. Alex @ PAP can get hold of the 4ohm versions for the same price but with a little lead time, I recall. Which would give you some more of the grunt power - but obviously with the high impedance tradeoff. HTH, |
Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 22 June 2005 at 8:47pm
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ah, just the person! i have just been corresponding with loophole (is that
the right verb for the act of a correspondance? doesn't look right...) about punishers who said you were one of the people to talk to about real world experiences. you elected getting two big amps to drive all four of yours then, what have you gone for in the end? i'd really like to know what you've got away with and what you thought got the sweetest balance, i'm sure they must bark a teensy bit (or should i say itsy bit) with 1500W. i'd love to know if you've tried doing owt with one a side also, the 4 ohm version makes a bit more sense then. whilst i kind of shudder at the thought of 2 ohm loads i feel i've wasted carrying stuff if i'm not running at 4. at low frequencies will a 4 ohm driver in fact drop down in impedance to around 2 or have i got confusled again. the high impedance trade off i presume implies that an amp can control a signal into a higher resistive load better than into a lower one. james. |
Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 22 June 2005 at 9:33pm
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LOL don't ever use 1/4 inch jacks as they can't carry high powers and the sound quality is crap using them. XLR or speakon instead!!! |
Posted By: rastaman
Date Posted: 22 June 2005 at 9:48pm
I knew it, I just knew it. As soon as I mention old skool (or is it olde world)
technology, some young buck, still in short trousers, comes latching
onto the wrong end of the stick like a rabid yorkie in a field of
lamposts. Note: I asked about
Speakons, as I know that 1/4" are not suitable for high power speaker
connections, however I also know that the only other common
alternative, the Cannon or XLR is not capable of having a switched
socket (at least in any configuration I have known). Hence me asking
about Speakons. <insert rant about the good old days here> NB the switching capability of the 1/4" jack allows for many useful
functions. That's why the sound stops coming through your speakers,
when you plug headphones into a receiver. Thats how my active bass know
to turn the preamp on when I insert the jack. Thats how a guitar
effects pedal knows to turn on or off to save the battery. Thats also
how some of my other speaker cabs know whether they are running in mono
or stereo, parallel or series, or one speaker or two. Seems like Neutrik missed a bit when they designed the Speakon, special cables pfft! |
Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 22 June 2005 at 11:16pm
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Yes I know 1/4 inch jacks were used ages ago in the until the late 80's. But the 1/4 inch jacks were only used on guitar cabs or crappy disco speakers.As i've seen some pretty old pa speakers[Martin Audio CX2 co-axials] that were around 20 years old and had XLR's on them. Because Speakons have only been around for the last 15 years or so I think. |
Posted By: LunchieTey
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 12:16am
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up until 5 years ago or even less,many big name companies still didn't use anything but 1/4 plugs. They can handle quite a bit of pwer(theres still plenty of metal in QUALITY plugs-sometimes more than speakons) As far as sound quality goes-no one can pick the difference. They are only popular now because of 2-4-8 pole models,can't short them,good contact. They can handle 30a current too but a 1/4 plug can handle almost as much unless you actually use a cheap 50c headphone model. Before speakons came out,that's what was used and there was definately plenty of power running thru them You know what really sounds crap? Clipping amps and overdriven bass drivers in cheap full-range cabs... ------------- Speaker addict |
Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 8:58am
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Sorry but thats just utter bullsh*t. XLR's were used on big name companies before Speakons. I lot of the Martin Audio,Turbosound and Court Acoustics pro gear used XLR's because I've seen soundsystems using them old boxes of those makes.And I've actually had a few of the old boxes from Court and Martin Audio and know they do NOT use 1/4 inch jacks. Yes and the sound quality is crap, all the power coming through a tiny point, and no they can't handle much power. http://colomar.com/Shavano/speaker_wiring.html - http://colomar.com/Shavano/speaker_wiring.html 1/4 inch jacks are only ok for signal not speaker.Except they pull out easier
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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 9:06am
You really devalue the quality of your posts by the fact that you come across as a complete arse Toxic. If you, for once, could enter into a debate without swearing, being derogatory or using the  smilie then people 'might' pay some attention. As it is you're just here for entertainment value.------------- My laser stuff: http://www.facebook.com/SubsonicSystems" rel="nofollow - Frikkin Lasers |
Posted By: rastaman
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 9:40am
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OK, didn't mean to start a war here, but you can settle this fairly easily. Can we all agree that Switchcraft are a fairly reputable brand, if not the brand for 1/4" jacks? Just look at their specsheets. http://switchcraft.com/products/jack-133b.html - Heavy Duty 1/4" Jack Plug http://switchcraft.com/products/jack-133a.html - Loudspeaker 1/4" Jack Plug http://switchcraft.com/products/jack-101.html - Speaker Jack Socket All of these are rated at 15A continuous (RMS), now 15A into an 8 ohm load is 1800W which is enough for a lot of drivers. The Heavy Duty jack can take up to a 12 gauge cable again more than sufficient for a lot of uses. An average Speakon (NL2 and NL4) can also accomodate 12 gauge cable, and can handle up to 30A continuous. NB XLR's can also handle a max of 15A (16A on Neutrik HD). So yes Toxic yours is bigger, but are you ever going to be able to use it all? PS I am not now, nor ever have been an advocate of 1/4" please read posts before replying, it saves on the egg on the face |
Posted By: Carl-
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 9:49am
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Maybe Toxic is not saying it in the utmost friendly way, but he is 100% right, Jacks are no good for speaker applications. There is enough metal in the good types, but the point where the current goes from cable part to amp- or speaker part is nothing more than that: a point! from the round tip to the flat contact of the chassispart. You can wire your connector with 4 qmm cable, the contact area is maybe only 0,1 qmm. Don't worry, be happy! ------------- People who think they know everything are annoying to us who really do. |
Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 9:52am
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damn it man, you can't buy entertainment like this....
the thing i'm particularly into about speakons is that they terminate with screw terminals, i hate soldering speaker cables. that said, i have a proper seal clubbing soldering iron (apparently it's for tin or something) which is substantial enough to join 4mm cable to chassis connectors with ease. i think you can get chassis connectors with screws too, but they are a tad pricey. anyway. punisher 2 people? james. |
Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 10:48am
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Entertainment lol , no it's the truth. If 1/4 inch jacks were so great everyone would be using them, but nothing nowadays[except extremelly sub budget speakers like Kam use them] doesn't that tell you something. Yes in the 60's, and 70's technology wasn't as good as it was now so they used 1/4 inch jacks, then by the 80's pro speaker companies used XLR's, and then Speakons by the 90's. The ONLY benefit of a 1/4 inch is it comes out if someone trips over it, preventing the cable being ripped out of the plug. But because of poor contact,degraded sound quality and can't carry high powers and comes out easily, they are not used anymore except on very budget - sub budget crappy speakers like Kam.
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Posted By: rastaman
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 11:16am
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Good Lord, it's threads like this that make me see why Rog went to Tibet. The benefit of 1/4" jacks, is they allow you to do nifty things with switching jacks. As I am aware 1/4" is not de rigeur for speakers, I asked, do Speakon jacks have a similar capability. One person, who has the attention span and ability to read an entire post managed to answer the question I asked. Toxic, I'm afraid to say it wasn't you. It's like stopping someone on the street and saying: Excuse me, could you direct me to the cinema, I have to meet my wife at the cafe next door to it? to which they reply: Nah mate, you don't want to go to the cinema, cinemas are crap. Nuffin but sh*t on in them, you want to go to the AV store mate, by yourself a nice DVD system, surround sound, nice big subwoofer, rent yourself some good movies mate. Some Chuck Norris or Arnold Schwarzenegger, yer, thats what you want. I know these things like, I've been around a bit me. All very interesting but absolutely irrelevant, completely useless and a total f**king waste of space. To james ind st. the person that both answered my question, and was the one who prompted it, oh well you already know how to wire Speakons for series parallel, without needing switching capability, so go for it. |
Posted By: kula
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 11:30am
| i agree with toxic all the old style cabs i have seen have xlr`s on not jack`s i use speakon`s as they are hard to short and wont come out of the cab in less you take them out |
Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 11:33am
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I was going to do a thing with speakons on my X15's that would allow me to run passive or active depending on the dummy plug in the second NL4 socket. One set of bridges would go to the passive xover the other pair would go direct to the driver. never got round to it.... ------------- My laser stuff: http://www.facebook.com/SubsonicSystems" rel="nofollow - Frikkin Lasers |
Posted By: LunchieTey
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 7:22pm
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No one used 1/4 eh? someone better ask jbl/peavey etc...I bought some new jbl cabs 3 years ago and they didn't have speakons OR XLR. Like I said on the SQ issue-bet you my house on the beach you cant tell up to 15A power. If you don't clean them,then they will get 'scratchy' but that's only on insertion. No one uses 1/4 anymore because speakon is better(xlr is a more solid connection too),but 1/4 work fine(I only use speakon) It's just another 'hi-fi' debate about contact area too by the way. There are crossover components in speakers with rather thin wire(resistors,caps etc) but they're fine because it's only short,therefore resistance is low. The 1/4 sockets I used to have had WAAAAY more contact area than that(wierd half moon shaped strap that 'bent' around the shaft,id say 10mm2 at least on the earth,maybe half that on the pin-and that's being conservative) I'm also not saying 1/4 are the best,I'm just saying that they DO work fine for most jobs and people shouldn't be afraid of using them. And yes SPEAKONS are better. Oh and Toxic-I used to know someone like you who used to jump in and start carrying on about what he 'knew' and swore all the time and challenged everyone. I SAW him get hit very hard in the face with a baseball bat when he chose the wrong people to do it to-haven't seen him since...although at least he wasn't hiding behind his screen Maybe we could start a Toxic conversion dictionary/thesaurus? Like - mailto:Bulls*@t - Bulls**t = I disagree - I know a m8 = Read it on the net somewhere... - Damn s**t speaker blew up = I was drunk and don't know what a clip light/HPF is for You get the idea...
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Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 7:51pm
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LOLOLOL I go away for a week and come back to find this! Interesting thoughts though - why does anyone still use jacks for loudspeaker connectors? I dont see that theyre any cheaper than speakons and most amps are speakon out these days! I suppose its the same debate for wtf does dj equipment still have outputs on phono plugs in fact wtf does ANYONE still use phonos? Even a goddamn minijack is a better prospect! Who gives a monkeys about it all anyway! This thread is about the punisher 2 and what a fine well oiled working machine they are! Who has built them and what do you think? - I have to recommend subs to a friend soon and these are on the list i sure could use some advice! Stu
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Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 8:17pm
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why are rca plugs so bad? co-axial nature is good for inteference
shielding and absolutely everything unbalanced has them. my mixer has balanced outs on trs, i agreee that this feature is lacking from too many bits of kit, and xlrs would be nicer still. check the rane empath, i usually borrow my pal's for events and its got everything on the back. my favourite mixer - and it doesn't clip like an a&h xone series (i may be mistaken about the cause but i don't like the sound of them when the lights go above +3 dB). james. |
Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 24 June 2005 at 8:24pm
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Oh and Toxic-I used to know someone like you who used to jump in and start carrying on about what he 'knew' and swore all the time and challenged everyone. I SAW him get hit very hard in the face with a baseball bat when he chose the wrong people to do it to-haven't seen him since...although at least he wasn't hiding behind his screen Maybe we could start a Toxic conversion dictionary/thesaurus? Like - mailto:Bulls*@t - Bulls**t = I disagree - I know a m8 = Read it on the net somewhere... - Damn s**t speaker blew up = I was drunk and don't know what a clip light/HPF is for You get the idea...
[/QUOTE] Well JBL or peavey ain't exactly nice cabs, except for JBL vertex array. This post is about Punisher 2's, so dunno where the subject of 1/4 inch jacks came in.
P.S. you think I don't know anything, well I suggest you come you come to the regular events[every 2nd sat of the month] I do at a fixed location[ wood green, day centre,which gets used at night for a event] which the ppl who own it, let me use the building for free and even provide me with a van for free; as I used to be temporary staff for the day centre and help out a lot.And that 'thing' of me hiding behind my screen as you put it.I'm not hiding from anyone, come an see me djing at one of the f**king events I do.
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Posted By: LunchieTey
Date Posted: 24 June 2005 at 8:46pm
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Dunno if you've noticed but I'm on the other side of the world,prolly won't be today then... And I'm usually working sat nights too. However I own my own transport(car and identically painted trailer with matching 17" rims all around) and do well paid corporate events(and just picked up long term work at a wedding reception centre with 2 venues/cathedral things) as well as local clubs/pubs who use me. It's good that you are getting regular gigs(which is how everyone basically gets into this) but why must you continually swear at everyone and bag some things you lack reliable information on? And then one day later you totally contradict yourself(mdf/ply debate for one)? I think there are e few people who are just getting a little tired of the barrage of smileys and f**k this f**k that and then look on another post and see you do the exact opposite,and then if someone challenges you,you tell them they don't know what they're talking about and tell them it's bulls**t etc. Why do you ask for advise on this forum and go do your own thing? ------------- Speaker addict |