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Topic: PC SPEED
Posted By: COWFOOT
Subject: PC SPEED
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 2:32am
What spec tells how fast a pc works?



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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 3:19am
Lots of them unfortunately.
 
Processor clock speed, number of cores, Level 1 and 2 cache on the die
Amount of RAM and the speed it runs at (as this dictates the overall clock speed of the board and processor)
Hard disk spin speed and access (and onboard cache again)
Graphics card processor speed, graphics RAM (and the speed more than the amount mainly once you get over 512mb)
 
It can only be as fast as its smallest bottle neck
 
I have a quad core 6600 intel processor, 3 GB of fast RAM and an 8600GTS graphics card. At the moment my thing limiting the speed when multitasking is the fact it has only a single disk, which means the speed of the read/write heads over the platters is what slows it down.  When i add another physical disk and spread my common tasks between them it'll speed up significantly as it can pull data twice as fast (theoretically, it won't be like that in practise)
 
My old PC had 4 physical disks and it was quicker doing some tasks despite being older.
 
The quad core is overkill at the moment and not enough applications support it, so it sits quite idle a lot of the time.


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Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 4:08am
Hi Norty:I was looking at an advert for  a HP Pavillion Desktop PC system featuring Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 with 6GB memory & 640 GB Hard Drive
Super Multi DVD burner with Lightscribe
Intel GMA 3100 Graphics
15-in-1 memory card reader
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit with SP1

Someone said this is a real mother of a pc.


Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 10:03am
The HP you list is indeed a very high spec. HOWEVER, as it has 6gb of ram it is on a 64bit version of Windows. 32bit Windows can only see 3.2 gb of ram, (Vista cheats and says 4gb). 64bit is fine if you don't want to run a lot of older apps or have older hardware (printers etc) that 64bit drivers are not available for. Theoretically 32bit stuff will run but check it out first. Also HP customer support is dire. They also tend to use noisy Seagate hard drives for some reason. The above PC isn't really a gaming box either, if that bothers you?
 Personally I would stick with 32bit and buy a Dell with Vista Business, choosing the downgrade to XP, thats if if I was to buy from a mfr rather than build. It's easy online, choose Inspiron, customise & buy, add service, change to Vista Busineess/XP, ....
Unless you want Vista? Pig


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Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 5:47pm
Hi Nicky:Much thanks.Food for thought from you and Norty.


Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 6:09pm
I was going to reccommend the Acer I got from Comet back in November as it represented exceptional value for money (I've always built my own machines but this one was just 'too' cheap to pass up') but it appears they're no longer doing them.
 
Dell I think still has their 'outlet' website where you can pick up cheap machines that people have ordered and then changed their mind, refurbs, etc and still comes with all their warranty stuff. Used to be better value before everyone knew about it (like ebay) but still a good place to look.
 
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dfo - http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dfo
 
Their processor codes are a bit funny, basically DCP is Dual Core Processor, ICQ is Intel Core 2 Quad and ICR2 is the Intel Core2Duo
 
 
Quote They also tend to use noisy Seagate hard drives for some reason.
 
I've always sworn by the Barracuda drives, and have always put them in machines I've built for other people.  Never had a bad one and never felt they were overly noisy either.   Failure rates reported on technical websites seem to indicate they're more reliable than WD


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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 8:35pm
Oooh gotta disagree there. Seagate 7200/7's had no noise suppression due to Seagate getting caught out using the software without licence (allegedly), horrible graunchy things, most of them. There are four dead ones (controller failure) in my workshop.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/14/compaq_and_seagate_sued/ - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/14/compaq_and_seagate_sued/   was the start of it
 I've had six 7200/10 with bad sectors in their first year in 2008, the 7200/10 (thinner one) has now been badged as a Maxtor DiamondMax21. It is noisy, I have one here just installed, doesn't give that smooth feeling of the WD's. I used to swear by Seagate around the U6 period but no more. Used upwards of 100 WD SE since the black cased ones started in 2004, had maybe two or three fail, the older silver cased Caviars were bad though. Hitachi seem to have carried on IBM's click of death but interestingly Exelstor (who manufacture for Hitachi) dont? Never had a Samsung fail, not one out of loads. Bit clunky compared to WD though.
 Interestingly different experiencesThumbs Up
PS, 1984 WD Caviar an the bench for a DOS model aeroplane machine, dodgy AT power supply, drive perfect. 24 years of 200mb serviceLOL


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Posted By: Bespoke
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 9:08pm
WOW i wish i knew about PCs: Someone said to me that i can ''clock'' my pc to run faster ?? is this true ?
They also said it will burn the pc out quicker ......... !!


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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 9:48pm
Best way to make a pc run faster: Maintain it properly. Defrag lots, NEVER take any notice of the, "You don't need to defrag" nonsence in XP or Vista, just force it. Download CCleaner and run it weekly. Download Malwarebytes and run it weekly. Run chkdsk /r monthly (not if raid 5) and get lots of memory (RAM). 2gb on XP 3+ on Vista. Never have Norton or McAffee or similar. IMHO NOD32 or Kaspersky are best. For a free one then Avast.
 Overclocking, don't bother Tim, you'll never notice the difference for emai & web.
 If it's still crap, format & start again, some are never gonna be good though.
 PC's are just like any other subject, ask Google ;) I'm a Windows/Network/Domain person. Lev can help with Linux I believe (this may be the future, Microsoft shedding lots of jobs). Norty obviously has lots of experience...maybe a section where we can help members, mods?


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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 1:47am
Cowfoot: The one poor spec on that machine is the integrated graphics - will be fine for basic usage but you'll be wasting the quad core processor and that much RAM on that kind of thing anyway. If you wanted to do something like CAD, video editing or other intensive applications you may find the graphics chipset is a major limiting factor, particularly if you plan to not turn off all the visual bells and whistles in the computer's interface.


Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 2:17am
Originally posted by Bespoke Bespoke wrote:

WOW i wish i knew about PCs: Someone said to me that i can ''clock'' my pc to run faster ?? is this true ?
They also said it will burn the pc out quicker ......... !!

Yes its true. Its just like boyracers increasing the boost on the turbocharger. It can be done, but it entirely depends on the vehicle and how long you want it to last


Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 2:21am
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Best way to make a pc run faster: Maintain it properly. Defrag lots, NEVER take any notice of the, "You don't need to defrag" nonsence in XP or Vista, just force it. Download CCleaner and run it weekly. Download Malwarebytes and run it weekly. Run chkdsk /r monthly (not if raid 5) and get lots of memory (RAM). 2gb on XP 3+ on Vista. Never have Norton or McAffee or similar. IMHO NOD32 or Kaspersky are best. For a free one then Avast.
 Overclocking, don't bother Tim, you'll never notice the difference for emai & web.
 If it's still crap, format & start again, some are never gonna be good though.
 PC's are just like any other subject, ask Google ;) I'm a Windows/Network/Domain person. Lev can help with Linux I believe (this may be the future, Microsoft shedding lots of jobs). Norty obviously has lots of experience...maybe a section where we can help members, mods?

I format about 3-6x a year and dualboot with Xubuntu.Gets rid of any malware I accumulate,plus keeps it fresh and fast.

Most of the PCs I come across that are slow have had kids filesharing, or silly adults clicking everything in IE5/6. Normally these ones have never been formatted since buying them also.




Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 4:00am
Regarding graphics cards, if you are never going to play games or do any sort of intensive 3D work then a stock card will do the job more than adequately.
 
ATI have always historically been better than nVidia in this department (not sure about the most recent ones).  Video editing and 2D graphics work like photoshop rely more on disk and RAM than they do a fancy graphics card.


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Posted By: Bespoke
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 6:57pm
I have norton 360 but it just ran out and i keep getting f***King pop ups ...... can i get rid of this and use a free prog ?

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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 7:09pm
Use the Norton removal tool and then install one of the free options.  I use AVG free, but others will have their favourites such Kaspersky.
 
http://service1.symantec.com/Support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039 - http://service1.symantec.com/Support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039


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Posted By: Bespoke
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 7:39pm
Thank you very much

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Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 9:18pm
I don't use any AV software as I havent found one that doesn't slow my PC down appreciably. CCleaner, spybot, etc seem to do a good enough job.

The essential is the noscript extension for firefox, stops any scripts executing on a page unless you whitelist it. Haven't had a nasty in years and haven't had to reformat for about 5 years. PC still runs fine.

Oh and uninstall everything using revo uninstaller to get all the registry keys etc removed that the usual uninstallers always leave.

Prevention is better than cure with crap on your PC imo.


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Best way to make a pc run faster: Maintain it properly. Defrag lots, NEVER take any notice of the, "You don't need to defrag" nonsence in XP or Vista, just force it. Download CCleaner and run it weekly. Download Malwarebytes and run it weekly. Run chkdsk /r monthly (not if raid 5) and get lots of memory (RAM). 2gb on XP 3+ on Vista. Never have Norton or McAffee or similar. IMHO NOD32 or Kaspersky are best. For a free one then Avast.
 Overclocking, don't bother Tim, you'll never notice the difference for emai & web.
 If it's still crap, format & start again, some are never gonna be good though.
 PC's are just like any other subject, ask Google ;) I'm a Windows/Network/Domain person. Lev can help with Linux I believe (this may be the future, Microsoft shedding lots of jobs). Norty obviously has lots of experience...maybe a section where we can help members, mods?


Nick, can you slow down with all the free advice gained from experience...

Some of us still trying to make a living from ill gotten gains. LOL

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Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 1:44am
I'm considering taking a nightschool course on pc basics.Like starting at the kindergarten level.


Posted By: wafflesomd
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 2:02am
How to make a pc fast:

Get rid of all the bloatware crap that is most likely on it.  Ditch the Anti-Virus.


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 3:41am
Originally posted by wafflesomd wafflesomd wrote:

How to make a pc fast:

Get rid of all the bloatware crap that is most likely on it.  Ditch the Anti-Virus.


Keep Kaspersky Internet Security though, or you'll be ditching the PC as well.

Couple of times now, Kaspersky has picked up viruses in downloaded mp3 files.Wink


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Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 7:44am
Phwat, how can you have executable code in a data file levyte?



Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by odc04r odc04r wrote:

Phwat, how can you have executable code in a data file levyte?


Originally posted by http://www.kaspersky.com/news?id=207575664 http://www.kaspersky.com/news?id=207575664 wrote:


Kaspersky Lab, a leading developer of secure content management systems, reports the detection of a malicious program that infects WMA audio files. The objective of the infection is to install a Trojan that gives a cybercriminal control of the user’s computer.

The worm, which was named Worm.Win32.GetCodec.a, converts mp3 files to the Windows Media Audio (WMA) format (without changing the .mp3 extension) and adds a marker with a link to an infected web page to the converted files. The marker is activated automatically during file playback. It opens an infected page in Internet Explorer where the user is asked to download and install a file which, according to the website, is a codec. If the user agrees to install the file, a Trojan known as Trojan-Proxy.Win32.Agent.arp is downloaded to the computer, giving cybercriminals control of the victim PC.

Unlike earlier Trojans, which used the WMA format only to mask their presence on the system (i.e., the infected objects were not music files), this worm infects audio files. According to Kaspersky Lab virus analysts, this is the first such case. The likelihood of a successful attack is increased because most users trust their audio files and do not associate them with possible infections. It should be noted that the file on the counterfeit web page is digitally signed by Inter Technologies and is identified by http://www.usertrust.com/ - www.usertrust.com , the resource that issued the digital signature, as trusted.

Immediately after Worm.Win32.GetCodec.a was detected, its signatures were added to Kaspersky Lab’s antivirus databases.



Kaspersky detects infectious music files, immediately after download completion.Wink


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Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 3:06pm
Pffft wma. If any of those got downloaded they would be deleted out of hand anyway :)


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by odc04r odc04r wrote:

Pffft wma. If any of those got downloaded they would be deleted out of hand anyway :)


"The worm, which was named Worm.Win32.GetCodec.a, converts mp3 files to the Windows Media Audio (WMA) format
(without changing the .mp3 extension)
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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 7:28pm
Plenty to go round Lev, nice living down here in Devon and I can park outside all my clients houses/offices!
 Tim, anti virus, anti-spyware. If you have enough RAM run SpywareDoctor, it's free in the Google Pack and will help when the kids get on there. AV, as has been said, Avast, AVG etc are free and will, "Goal keep" your email. Norton requires a 52mb update and about an hour of your life just to start. Utter crap. When you download anything, STOP and untick all the poo that you don't want, then you don't end up with five toolbars and ten picture programsTongue
 Kasperski is great but sometimes gets moody going onto an already infected box. Eset NOD32 is my favorite, especially in a Domain enviroment, converted a few companies from Sophos. If you want you can download the Nod32 free trial, thirty days, uninstall afer and do it all over again in a month, not really in the spirit of things though, £29 is cheap for something so good.


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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 7:44pm
One more bit which I always recon is good advice for newbies. PC aint like TV's, they are like cars. Either learn to maintain or pay someone to do it for you.
 Teenagers account for NINETY % of the software problems I see in home computing.

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