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Topic: Signatures and company advertising
Posted By: norty303
Subject: Signatures and company advertising
Date Posted: 16 January 2009 at 7:26pm
We've decided to put up a policy on the use of signatures for advertising on the forum.  This is in response to the fact we think there has been some slow creep of standards in the time since Rog departed, and we'd like to try and bring things back on track if possible.
 
The following should be fair for all:
 
Members may now only put the name of their company/companies in the signature bar, as a way of identifying who they are and what associations they may have.
 
There may be no contact details or hyperlinks, and no images relating to the companies or lines of business.  The areas provided in the profile can be used for this sort of detail if required.
 
We're not going to get all heavy handed about this - some members visit irregularly and may not look at announcements when they do.   Regular users will probably be aware fairly quickly, (especially if this decision causes much debate!) so we'd expect changes where appropriate reasonably quickly.
 
I'm going to see if I can drop a blanket PM to all members about this, so that members will get a notification when they next visit.
 
Hopefully this shouldn't upset too many people as its entirely in keeping with what this forum was always intended to be about.
 
Don't forget we do have the resources section for DIY related services.


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Posted By: robertnisbet
Date Posted: 16 January 2009 at 7:45pm
I would query this.  I think its important that not only can people see poster's affiliations, its also essential that they are able to get easy access to the poster's company's website to see how qualified they are to make whatever statement/judgement/opinion they are spouting.  I know the answer to this is that the information is in the poster's profile, but how many times does one post a for sale add only to be left with a million messages asking for the location even when it is a) in the profile and b) often on the original posting anyway.

Similarly, where does this leave user's such as myself, who are self employed sole traders, who trade under their own name?  Essentially my business is my name, but my name is already shown as my user name, so the only way I have of showing my credentials is with my web address.  Hmm, didn't really explain that very well.

Just some thoughts.


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Robert Nisbet
www.robertnisbet.com
Event Production Services


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 16 January 2009 at 7:59pm

How about you just remove the web address Robert,you could allways put your web address on your profile page ,im sure anyone wanting to contact you would be able to find it there?



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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 16 January 2009 at 8:53pm
I don't think a website should be used to judge someone's credentials re: posting about speakers.  If you post good information then it speaks for itself.  I certainly don't judge anyones text based on whether or not they have a website or not - simply by what i see/hear from them over time.
 
This doesn't have to be difficult I don't think, just use your common sense.


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http://www.frikkinlazors.co.uk


Posted By: nineleaves
Date Posted: 17 January 2009 at 4:34am
hmm.. problem is, the vast majority of us are providing some kind of 'commercial' music services.. wether thats pa hire, djing or building cabs..
it maybe helpful to debate the merits of a section of the forum reserved for commercial announcements of sorts; so that those smaller folks amoungst us can get word out to the community as to what were upto/can provide without offending anyone & diluting the 'diy' side of the forum.

consider it a 'yellow pages' & community billboard of 'news' from folks who want to keep those interested upto date.

naturally, some measures to stem deliberate spamming in such a section should be determined & by the very nature of such a thing.. its not going to become full of posts from EV, JBL & the other titans ..as theyve clearly got other well funded & established ways of getting word out ;)

please, give it a little thought & maybe we can stem some of the problems of late :)
ta.


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 17 January 2009 at 9:20am

There is already a section,simply update your services provided?

http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7929 - http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7929


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Be seeing you.


Posted By: t0m
Date Posted: 17 January 2009 at 1:21pm
Just to query something, not trying to stir anything. I just clicked on robertnisbet's view profile just to see how well this theory will work, to start with the Homepage hyperlink shows me in the bottom left of my firefox that the link is going to direct me to www.robertnisbet.cm which is not a valid TLD (top level domain) and I think thats supposed to be .com but an even bigger problem is when I click on the hyperlink Homepage, it actually takes me to http://agoga.com/ ....

Any reasons for the misdirection?

I've not had my morning coffee yet, but that seems like a problem if we're going to be using this method to keep people happy :) Just my 5c worth ..

//t0m


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http://www.microrave.biz

PA/Sound/Staging/Lighting & Laser Hire for London & the whole of the UK


Posted By: robertnisbet
Date Posted: 17 January 2009 at 1:29pm
Ah, that was a typo on my behalf, now fixed. Thanks t0m

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Robert Nisbet
www.robertnisbet.com
Event Production Services


Posted By: t0m
Date Posted: 17 January 2009 at 1:31pm
Ok great :) coffee finished!

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http://www.microrave.biz

PA/Sound/Staging/Lighting & Laser Hire for London & the whole of the UK


Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 17 January 2009 at 7:12pm
Quote hmm.. problem is, the vast majority of us are providing some kind of 'commercial' music services.. wether thats pa hire, djing or building cabs..
it maybe helpful to debate the merits of a section of the forum reserved for commercial announcements of sorts; so that those smaller folks amoungst us can get word out to the community as to what were upto/can provide without offending anyone & diluting the 'diy' side of the forum.
 
 
I think therein lie some of the problems.
 
When we put up the resources section it was to allow those providing DIY related services to announce what they did, in a way that would prove useful to the forum members in their pursuit of DIY speaker perfection.  We quite clearly stated that it wasn't for advertising rig hire... everyone has one, the members here are probably the last people who want to know where they can hire a rig.  Same goes for DJ's.  It also would introduce an element of competition that is unwanted, its not as if there isn't enough competition here bubbling just under the surface.
 
The forum was never about commercial announcements in their own right, and I don't neccessarily feel that they have a place here.  If we were to condone that we would be flooded with them.  Admittedly we have perhaps been a bit slack on that front recently but its tricky keeping up to speed on it all - we do our best to control how much goes on, especially some of the 'more regular' posters in the for sale section but we'll never get it 100% right.
 
 


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http://www.frikkinlazors.co.uk


Posted By: nineleaves
Date Posted: 17 January 2009 at 7:47pm
ach weil..
will have to sit back and watch this one with curiousity i guess then..

yes it is a difficult one to manage, however gagging orders on certain topics many naturally going to lean towards is going to cause friction.. tho others kicking up dirt when they 'feel' something off sanctioned topics is going on in the general forum will cause even more greif..
thus why i feel some careful thought should go into allowing some of that to be vented out of the way of the main section in a gentlemenly fashion.

anyways, back to observing and pondering the situation.


Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 22 January 2009 at 12:34am
I Ahree, if anyone wants to go to so,eones company website then they can find it on their profile. and I hate huge pictures in signatures; I would rather gough my eye out with my foot than read through a page on squat juice, its just ridiculously large pictures over and over


Posted By: cnics
Date Posted: 22 January 2009 at 1:37am
Surely this just says who we are.

I think that if for example someone was to say where can i hire turbo aspect up north and i came along and said.  From ME, then that would be over the top. That's advertising and i don't think that's acceptable, The correct etiquette is to send a PM and maybe place "pm sent" in the thread.  However i think to have a simple company name and website adress in your signature is just telling people who you are. 

I've had my company name and web address in my signature aslong as i can remember, 2005 is when i joined.  So i'm not sure how things have got worse without people blatantly advertising, and that is not relevant to the signature.

I too agree that they should be short and sweet and not contain masses of pictures and stuff.

Rules are rules though so i will stick to them of course.


Rob


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Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 12:21am
I have never spoken up on this topic becuase it is basically my livelyhood on the line so it makes me nervous!

I think we all know when people take the piss. This forum certainly isn't subjected to exploitation, and when it is people quickly get shot down. I think this is one of the most tollerant and well balanced discussion areas on the net. If a little paranoid!

I do make money via this site - but I think my clients are very glad they found me, I don't see what harm people offering services has on the forum. I bet if you offered a free for all little would change tbh - just look how dead FSP is and you can advertise all you want, it's hardly Tescos over there!

I enjoy posting pics of builds as I remember the pleasure I used to get seeing new projects pop up, infact I still do - regardless of who was building - so long as it wasn't in a sweat shop in India!

Am I still safe to do this as I'd like to and I think a few others would like me to?

I try to contribure to the forum as best I can. I think most members that advertises do, but those who don't - so what... does it really matter? Life goes on and this is still a very rich resource, no worse for a few gready buggers. That's just part of life.

thats my 5c worth Wink 


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Out to lunch... stableaudio@hotmail.co.uk
www.stableaudio.co.uk
Speaker Building Services


Posted By: simo69
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 11:09am
I may be shot down in flames here....
 
What about having an area on this site that warrents just a monthly fee of a couple of quid to allow the 'up and coming' companies who are genuinely trying get going in this world to advertise their products and services.. everyone needs a chance in life!! ... this would be the cheapest advertising / marketing


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http://sims-audio.co.uk/


Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 1:49pm
Would never work Shaun as the tight fisted buggers(meant light heartedly of course) on here would always be trying to circumvent the rules to avoid paying fees so you would probably end up with a few honest members willingly paying their fees but getting angry with the ones that would not pay---It would probably cause more arguments than it would solve.


Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by simo69 simo69 wrote:

I may be shot down in flames here....
 
What about having an area on this site that warrents just a monthly fee of a couple of quid to allow the 'up and coming' companies who are genuinely trying get going in this world to advertise their products and services.. everyone needs a chance in life!! ... this would be the cheapest advertising / marketing


It's free and easy enough, to just make an announcement through the un-moderated area.

"Hi I'm so & so I'm doing this and its going to do that and cost this. Heres my verifiable supporting data.  Any questions please contact me via pm or the website/email details can be found on my members profile page"

Any future developments can be added to the same thread.  

nuff said.







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Posted By: simo69
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 3:07pm
... consider me shot..!!LOL

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http://sims-audio.co.uk/


Posted By: simo69
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 3:15pm
why is it when I send a private message to Robbo I get the message in my in box??

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http://sims-audio.co.uk/


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 27 January 2009 at 2:57pm
good idea i think, one side of the forum is im liking how the 'professional' side is growing, however this place was always for the freeparty type scene and the little man trying to make some nice noise. oh well, happy days :)

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''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart''


Posted By: nomis
Date Posted: 27 January 2009 at 8:55pm
the problem is,the average wide boy with a pile of funktion one is not really interested in plans


Posted By: tallmike
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 9:47am
ha, he spammed but got the URL wrong. Funny


Posted By: gwarntek
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 3:17pm
i thought spamming people got deleted?? but i spose its not spamming when it doesnt work... hahaha peace


Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 10:38pm
Anyone noticed the incroaching flash banners and the like. It hurts my eyes Ouch

nah it's just me - think they must have been etched into my retonas from SJTongue


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Out to lunch... stableaudio@hotmail.co.uk
www.stableaudio.co.uk
Speaker Building Services


Posted By: andyjannero
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 11:44pm
Signature Advertising is proud of its continued growth and our stability.You need a communications network advertising or marketing you have the skills and knowledge to successfully transform its brand in a wider area or the name of the family.



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Posted By: jonminns
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 11:53pm
Originally posted by andyjannero andyjannero wrote:

Signature Advertising is proud of its continued growth and our stability.You need a communications network advertising or marketing you have the skills and knowledge to successfully transform its brand in a wider area or the name of the family.


thanks for that, now sod off


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4 ohms is for wimps


Posted By: andyamp
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 11:54pm
[<:o)]

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Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 11 February 2011 at 1:35am
Originally posted by andyjannero andyjannero wrote:

Signature Advertising is proud of its continued growth and our stability.You need a communications network advertising or marketing you have the skills and knowledge to successfully transform its brand in a wider area or the name of the family.

Blah, blah, blah.
 
This is no sales organisation, no corporate bullshit.
 
We speak English, and we speak our minds.


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Billy Dawg.


Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 12 February 2011 at 5:31pm
Originally posted by andyjannero andyjannero wrote:

Signature Advertising is proud of its continued growth and our stability.You need a communications network advertising or marketing you have the skills and knowledge to successfully transform its brand in a wider area or the name of the family.



Nice lounge groove reminds me of some kind of sim.. 


http://www.signatureadvertising.com/home.html#/jobs - www.signatureadvertising.com/home.html#/jobs




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DMZ. "The bass was intense. Girls were literally running up to stand next to the subs"


Posted By: nineleaves
Date Posted: 09 July 2011 at 3:28am
LOL ! ...That you muppet would be exactly the sort of thing we where talking about folks NOT doing.

Ban hammer please Clap


Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 9:32am
Goodbye Smile

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Billy Dawg.


Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 9:37am
so long farewell auf wiedersehen goodbye. Nuke
Too funny, but hell yeah.. who does this sh*t??

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Billy Dawg.


Posted By: MattStolton
Date Posted: 24 August 2011 at 12:23pm

To be honest, I think a lot of this (original topic) is a moot point.

For a start, any link embedded in a post, automatically has the "NoFollow" tag added to it by the server script. This stops Google Bots from following the link, and you boosting the rank of your site, thanks to the "renown" of SP.

Secondly, I think it is important that anyone giving there opinion on a topic, and has a trade affiliation, or is trying to make money on the back of there posts, should clearly show this. This is to, obviously, declare bias. Signatures is a cute way of doing this.

Banner adverts, in any form, in forum postings, are just bloody annoying, trade or not. For aesthetics, and readability, I would say no to Banners in signatures.

However, most posters on here, who make money from this site, do so subtly, and via PMs. Obvious example is Mr Windmill Tilter, who peddles Brand X of speaker drivers. However, he doesn't blatantly say "Get your Brand X drivers from me at great prices". He helps out people, then they tell others to PM him to get drivers and assistance from him. Cute, and doesn't involve any real "advertising", just him giving of his time, and if he is lucky, he sells a few drivers as an aside, based on his friendliness and knowledge. Seems reasonable enough.

Most of the "elders" of this site work in a similar way, i.e give advice and help for free, for varying levels of Kudos and feeling of warmth, fluffyness, and self worth, but, given a chance, happen to offer to sell required bits and bobs at, usually, some level of discount from retail. Everyone wins with no harm done. A nice community feel, if you like.

However, they do so on the back of giving time and knowledge away for free. If they happen to get a tickle on the back of it, I can't begrudge them that.

Consider the creator of the site, Mr R. Whilst I am sure he started the site for philanthropic reasons, it has became a forum that has a certain soft spot for his professionally designed wares. I can't begrudge him that, as they hold up to peer scrutiny, in ways that others "hide" (use a thesaurus for the gag). Equally while PAP was trading, they were equally suggested by members onto newbs as a source of discounted goods, mostly out of genuine good experience and good prices. Porn Horns case in point.

However, as a newb, you may not be aware of the link between Mr R, Speaker Brand V***, PAP and his forum, you may need it spelt out, so you can make a fair and reasoned judgement. (The reality is that you would buy from PAP, based on price and service, which genuinely did seem very reasonable, irrespective of how you found them, by recommendation from here, or from a google search.)

If only there was a mechanism for this, such as an automatic message at the bottom of any post you make, to state your affiliation or bias.......I'll get my coat.



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"Sparkius metiretur vestra" - "Meter Your Mains"


Posted By: STLS
Date Posted: 31 October 2011 at 9:13pm
Just a quick message to find out if I'm breaking any rules of the forum regarding my name etc

Mod's if there's anything not right, can you let me know Big smile


Posted By: nineleaves
Date Posted: 31 October 2011 at 9:18pm
why does this thread always get targeted by the spambots ? ..does it really translate as "freely advertise here" ? :) ...how ironic.


Posted By: helikauk
Date Posted: 23 July 2012 at 9:53pm
Hello, I really want to post one ad in the forum, but I don't have permission, can you give me one please?


Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 23 July 2012 at 10:19pm
You cannot advertise here. You can post in the For Sale section with a link to Ebay. NOTHING else is accepted.

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Billy Dawg.


Posted By: helikauk
Date Posted: 24 July 2012 at 12:44am
ok, where I can put?


Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 24 July 2012 at 9:33am
For Sale section

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Billy Dawg.


Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 24 July 2012 at 9:58am
he probably can't, until he's contributed a bit more.

it's really not an advertising site, helikauk. it's a site for discussion of DIY speakers.. and the for sale section is for the members.

have a look around though, maybe you'll find some of it interesting


Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 24 July 2012 at 10:02am
Not sure if the 10 post rule counts anymore. He may have something usefull to sell????????

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Billy Dawg.


Posted By: helikauk
Date Posted: 24 July 2012 at 3:30pm
ok many thanks guys, I will read a Little


Posted By: Dubshot
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 8:22am
I would like to say thank you to to "CSG" for sorting me out with a great set of speaker cables. My Dad picked them up for me from the gentleman, very polite and professional and helpful... Even on Bank Holiday Monday, very patient with us... Thank you very much indeed Sir!


Posted By: angelineacord
Date Posted: 22 July 2015 at 8:03am
Thanks for giving such kind of information for signature.


Posted By: SouthwestCNC
Date Posted: 30 November 2015 at 4:47pm
Rogs Departed? 


Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 30 November 2015 at 10:36pm
yes long long time ago, he does post on fsp from time to time.

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Posted By: SouthwestCNC
Date Posted: 30 November 2015 at 11:32pm
Oh ok, kind had me thinking of the other kind of departed


Posted By: monop0d
Date Posted: 24 August 2016 at 2:50pm
Should one seek verification if one wants to represent a company? If so, how do I get in touch with a mod with less than 10 posts?


Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 24 August 2016 at 3:15pm
don't think there's a formal process. maybe disclose your position via your signature and just don't blatently sell or promote your own products and you'll be welcomed.


Posted By: monop0d
Date Posted: 25 August 2016 at 9:14am
Alright, thank you very much!



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