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Topic: DaveyT's Mid Top
Posted By: davey t
Subject: DaveyT's Mid Top
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 10:55am
Loving google sketchup at the moment, loads easier to use that catia and lets you play around with ideas pretty quick.

This is a mid/top i'm working on. Based on fairly standard tried and tested horn loading configs, but the idea it to be able to make the whole cab and horns from wood using cheap easily available drivers and parts. Maybe not the quality or loudness of simmilar cabs but two a side would give enough spl and coverage for a good dancefloor. But it DIY! and i Tried to make it look good too.

60x40 dispersion. 50cm width, 75cm height 40-50cm depth (still designing it!)

Low mid is a 12" reverse loaded reflex horn covering 100-450hz. I'm going to proto with a P-audio SN12MB

High mid is a conical horn using the Eminence 6.5" closed back lines array driver (alpha 6 cbmr) and covers 450-2500hz

High is a 1" on a eminence LT250 or fane 60x40 CD horn



Ha, I get so excited designing new speaker I have to share it with you guys :)

thoughts, comments, discussion... its work in progress so have a while to go yet. Lookin forward to knocking up a prototype in june

Thinking of calling it the DMT :D




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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 11:03am

Doing something similar dave, will be nice if they both turn up at the same tme

looks very void/F1'ish

I'm going 12'' 10'' 1''
 
very nice Dave


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 11:05am
just realised you are going hybrid on the 12
you ok with it going to 450?


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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 11:29am
yea, horn response says so - as long as i can get the driver chamber volume ( front horn chamber) small enough (around 5L for 400hz corner). There's ripple in the response but its fairly smooth 100-400hz at 106db 1w1m 2pi +-2db. The reflex gives you the extra low end you'd never normally get from such a short horn.

Fitting that driver in with the mitred panel there and getting the volumes right is the tricky bit!



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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 11:38am
It wasn't what HR says, it was more what the 'voice' will sound like up there
 
looks great, will it be a free drawing?


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Posted By: Steak'n'ale
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 12:16pm
Sketchup skiiiiills there Dave. Does look very nice indeedy. You built one out in NZ then?

Ported horns can work for midtops - omnitop12s have quite a few fans (then again I am biased in this though).

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Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 1:13pm
Another mid-top design, best I get on with mine, I'm lagging behind!


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:



thoughts, comments, discussion... its work in progress so have a while to go yet. Lookin forward to knocking up a prototype in june



Thanks for sharing your ideas D, but I have a few questions,

a)A 6.5" can cover 450-2k, but can it do this at high SPL, without going bang?   Wouldnt 10" be better?

b)A Number of subs perform best when crossed out about 80hz,     Wouldn't 15" kick section in your  cab be more compatible with this, and move more air?




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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 4:43pm
you almost described my new mid lev
 
 


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 4:47pm
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

you almost described my new mid lev


LOL

Dont forget, the world also needs a budget fibre glass 12" horn with base phung.Wink





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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 5:00pm
yes coming and looking good
not sure about your choice of old almost extinct drivers though


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 5:12pm
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

yes coming and looking good
not sure about your choice of old almost extinct drivers though


Is it absolutely critical for phase bung to be in contact with cone?

Even if the horn allowed use with 4x different drivers, would be better than bein restricted to 1x.

Not every one wants Paudio driver, or to spend big bucks on 18sound/PD.

Few of us like choice of B&C, Beyma, Fane, Celestion.


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 5:27pm
i have tried in the past
B&C
PDFane
RCF
and that little beauty Paudio 12nb is the nats
 
have peole had bad experience with them then?
 
great sound, cheap, and super light weight
 
HBL and Adambomb and gang heard them in the porno horn and loved it
 
HBL said it kept going up and up


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 5:32pm
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

yes coming and looking good
not sure about your choice of old almost extinct drivers though


Is it absolutely critical for phase bung to be in contact with cone?

it has to follow the shape/contour of the cone and dust cap, it doesn't touch
 
can you see the problem of having different shaped cones and big ior smaller dust caps
 
although I was shocked that ppeople said the Bokes sounded okShockedShocked


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Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 6:05pm
I use SN12MB in some designs

I feed them with 950W per pair, and they love itWink


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Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 6:11pm
looks like you've just shown what's on the tips of a few peoples tongues - including mine!

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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 9:02pm
thanks for the comments

as i said, i'm not trying to make a really really loud concert cab here, just something thats compact, fairly cheap, buildable and sounds good. I chose the 6" because its easier to get it to go high without a fiberglass phase bung - perhaps it wont be loud enough and i'l have to try an 8". Its a 12" because a 15" wont fit in this trap config and will struggle more to play high enough. I'l post the hornresp plots and you can take a look.

i gues I wont know how it sounds though until i get buildin

Mykey, have you had a look at the RCF 8" mid range neo sealed back driver? If i was going to make a fiberglass mid range horn i would use that driver! pricey though- which is why i haven't used it here.


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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

yes coming and looking good
not sure about your choice of old almost extinct drivers though


extinct drivers? were you referring to me or someone else?


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Posted By: doober
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 9:47pm
Good work!

Have you done much work on the 6" section yet? Just wondering why you chose a conical horn? It'll be much easier to construct, but does it not lose a lot of low end?

I looked at that eminence driver a while ago, but it seems difficult to get hold of in the UK, like all the other suitable 6" drivers. What sort of compression ratio are you looking at?


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Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:

Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

yes coming and looking good
not sure about your choice of old almost extinct drivers though


extinct drivers? were you referring to me or someone else?


SN-12MB  (200W version) is discontinued now

there is a new version , please check P-audio's site www.paudiothailand.com


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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 11:29pm
Oh yea, i knew that, i've just got 2 at home already so may aswell try with those. The low mid section should work with many different drivers. I've modeled some of the eminence neos and rcfs etc. 

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Posted By: Timebomb
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 12:25am
Looking good davey, reminds me of the FK1 RES2 a lot. 

What is the divider in the mid horn for, is it to reduce the wavelength of throat reflections?  Or is it just to hold the phaze plug?    Rogs has a similar centre divider in his stasys horns, ive always wonderd what its purpose was.




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Posted By: minaximal
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 12:52am
looks nice,

the closed back alpha 8mr i think? may keep up a bit better, if you needed more power.

rounding over the edges of your conical horn for mouth/ baffle correction will help reduce high order modes, if going conical it could be worth trying out an oblate spheroid, or make your own to achieve smoother off axis directivity..

i too am making my mid tops atm, but its kinda too late for me to try out le cleach or spheroid flares i been reading up about, but may be of interest to you though.




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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 12:59am
Originally posted by Timebomb Timebomb wrote:

Looking good davey, reminds me of the FK1 RES2 a lot. 

What is the divider in the mid horn for, is it to reduce the wavelength of throat reflections?  Or is it just to hold the phaze plug?    Rogs has a similar centre divider in his stasys horns, ive always wonderd what its purpose was.




I believe it's to reduce high frequency beaming.

Looking good davey!


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 5:38am
Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:

Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

yes coming and looking good
not sure about your choice of old almost extinct drivers though


extinct drivers? were you referring to me or someone else?
sorry, no it was lev. we hijacted your thread , sorry

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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 5:40am
it was the SN12b mircea

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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 10:34am
shame bout that sn12b - sounds great in our porn horns!

Yea, the middle piece is just to hold the phase bung. Its just an idea and i'm going to try a few different ideas out. I want something that can be built fairly quick and simple without a laythe or hours of sanding/planing.

The alpha 6 models better than the 8 with higher efficiency and smoother response. but i'l try both - the truth will be in the building and measuring.


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 11:35am
Davey, what program are you using for modeling mid response?

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Posted By: snafu
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 1:25pm
Hi daveyt. I have been using the 8mr on a large fiberglass horn for the high mid in my concert mid hi,s 700-2.5hz with great results.Very cheap(20 quid)actively driven two to a side on chamelean dx600.very loud clean no failures in 6 years.


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 2:55pm
snafu, can we see it?
the whole cab that is


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Posted By: snafu
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 11:53am
Hi mikey.I have just got broadband so I will try to post pictures now.I may be some time.........


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Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 3:23pm



Posted By: snafu
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 3:25pm
OOps we appear to be a bit on the piss...


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Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 3:45pm


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Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 3:47pm


Posted By: hmaudio
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 1:46am
Nice design.

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Posted By: sKs01
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 2:57am
alternative to sn 12b for a porn horn anyone? 

otherwise my plans are somewhat shagged.


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 11:41am
Those are really nice tops snafu. What are the other components? How do they perform?
Any gig pictures?


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Posted By: snafu
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 2:33pm
Hi marjan.the drivers are 8mr eminence on high mid, cp650ti beyma mounted on B+C 60-40 horn on highs and the low mid is 2x12 beyma g250r.They go quite well(I think so)and they throw nice clean vocals out to the end of my multicore no problems.we saw 110-113db at the mixer(32m)last year when tested by health and safety federales.I would love to try 18 sound neo driver in mid but at £140 a go they would have to be stupendous to be better value than £20 8mr not sure if it,s worth it..


Posted By: minaximal
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by snafu snafu wrote:

Hi marjan.the drivers are 8mr eminence on high mid, cp650ti beyma mounted on B+C 60-40 horn on highs and the low mid is 2x12 beyma g250r.They go quite well(I think so)and they throw nice clean vocals out to the end of my multicore no problems.we saw 110-113db at the mixer(32m)last year when tested by health and safety federales.I would love to try 18 sound neo driver in mid but at £140 a go they would have to be stupendous to be better value than £20 8mr not sure if it,s worth it..



interesting looking cabs,have you taken any measurements?

 i would imagine a massive amount of diffraction and standing waves caused by your comp taking so much space, and uneeven loading on the two g250r's.

also, not really in line with the topic title is it, especially as you have another thread dedicated to your cabs already.


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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 6:35pm
there's no rules... sharin and talkin speakers ..all good.

where'd the 8" horns come from?


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Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 8:22pm
Originally posted by sKs01 sKs01 wrote:

alternative to sn 12b for a porn horn anyone? 

otherwise my plans are somewhat shagged.


there's still a sn12mb which is now 600 watt rms!? i think...

also a sn12LF... also 600 watts rms

but loads of sn12b's about gotta be one of the most commonly bought p audio products...


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Posted By: al_x
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 10:02pm
we have sn12b's in our horns - they are f-ing brutal! so much spl for their power.


Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 06 April 2009 at 7:07am



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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 06 April 2009 at 7:10am
Phew, finally got something I'm happy with. Lot of trouble getting the right volumes, angles and dimentions and working out all the mitres but it should make it a lot easier when it come to building the thing. Each piece of wood is an individual component in the model. Hornresp plots to come....

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Posted By: nomis
Date Posted: 06 April 2009 at 7:12am
looking good mr T


Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 08 April 2009 at 7:05am
NOTE: These are all 4pi plots

Low mid





I've modeled the alpha 8CBMR and it actually comes out with a lower sensitivity on a horn than the 6". I think the 6" has a higher bl and is better made.

Looking forward to knocking one up!


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Posted By: mashgwan
Date Posted: 08 April 2009 at 8:46am
looks good, i take it these are designed to run on top of usb's
we have a stack of 8 es18bph's and we are looking for some tops to run on top of them


Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 08 April 2009 at 8:54am
Davey does it make a difference if the LF component fires through a slot?

Stu


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Posted By: tea nut
Date Posted: 08 April 2009 at 9:09am
cant wait to see em built dave. i think milton keynes needs some of these badboys..... 

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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 08 April 2009 at 9:11am
Hi dave
 
I take it that you are hoping the 6'' to be higher with the phase bung added?


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Posted By: psytron
Date Posted: 08 April 2009 at 10:35pm
yum yum looks good :)

cant wait for some more info :)



Posted By: asaa00
Date Posted: 21 April 2009 at 11:22am
thats dead sexy !


Posted By: kiriiz
Date Posted: 21 April 2009 at 12:25pm
Very very impressive! When will you build them?


Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 22 April 2009 at 8:36am
cheers guys
 
gonna start work when i get home in a month... i'm in sydney at the moment but kinda wishing i was at home in my garage with saw in hand.  
 
I want it to be a diy cab (being entirely from wood) but hopefully sell plans along with a custom passive crossover to handle the 6" and 1" nicely


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Posted By: asaa00
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 10:16am
well i cant wait...


Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 12:17pm
hi dave long time no speak - how are you going to deal with the time alignment issues with a passive xover on the mid / high? Or is this not too much of a problem?

Must get those drivers back to you for your arrival.


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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 12:34pm
phase alignment you mean - you measure the phase shift (usin digidrive to adjust time difference and mic to measure ) and then correct for it with the right components in the crossover.

cool. Have you had chance to do any outdoor testing/measuring on the usb2?



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Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 04 May 2009 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:

phase alignment you mean - you measure the phase shift (usin digidrive to adjust time difference and mic to measure ) and then correct for it with the right components in the crossover.


i getcha - i understand time alignment is a device to get things in phase but surely having comp and mid at different distances will cause them not to be 'in time'

this is something i have always not fully understood when wanting to construct passive xovers for horn loaded mid/tops.

is it not an issue with such short distances and in a pa context.


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Posted By: gwarntek
Date Posted: 04 May 2009 at 5:20pm
Just saw the cad pics on the last page
Bottom brace is pretty much identical to the one on my ES18s
Would look nice with these on top
 
I look forward to seeing it in production Smile
 
Peace


Posted By: breakdabeat pete
Date Posted: 04 May 2009 at 5:38pm
im looking forward to seeing these
looks like a much easier build than the xtro


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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: 05 May 2009 at 12:12pm
Originally posted by tomschute tomschute wrote:

Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:

phase alignment you mean - you measure the phase shift (usin digidrive to adjust time difference and mic to measure ) and then correct for it with the right components in the crossover.


i getcha - i understand time alignment is a device to get things in phase but surely having comp and mid at different distances will cause them not to be 'in time'

this is something i have always not fully understood when wanting to construct passive xovers for horn loaded mid/tops.

is it not an issue with such short distances and in a pa context.


http://sound.westhost.com/ptd.htm Smile


Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 07 May 2009 at 12:27pm
A good link I've read a few times - well answered.

So in short there will always be an absolute phase difference (time delay) but as long as this is low enough (less than 1ms apparently for 2khz) then it is not audiable and therefore you can live with it. It is the relative phase difference  which introduces variations in the speakers frequency amplitude response which you can hear and need to minimise.

Yes ideally using a digital time delay to eliminate this absolute phase shift would seem better than living with it and using a passive crossover. but if you can't hear the difference - is it worth the extra crossover channel and amplifier?

you decide




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Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 07 May 2009 at 1:15pm
well i think a well designed passively networked mid/top is a real bonus for ease of use. Anyone with a problem or super ears can easily run 3 way.

Glad that's cleared up - been going round in my noggin for ages.





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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 07 May 2009 at 6:38pm
WOW! lush thread! I have only just discovered this! im not keeping on top of my speakerplanning anymore!
 
You can definatly count me in for buying the plans, looks like an excelent diy cab.
 
GOOD WORK!
 
(i dont really like the slot ports btw, i mean they look cool, but i would always prefer round ones....)


Posted By: Jakel
Date Posted: 10 May 2009 at 2:00pm
WHo r u?? Einsteins father??

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Posted By: psytron
Date Posted: 21 May 2009 at 12:03am
Hi Davey hope you are having fun making sawdust atm and bashing out a prototype if you are not too busy in the shed is there any chance of a close up on the phase bung thingy on the 6" ??

P.S. what program did u use for modeling the boxes??


Posted By: mstep77
Date Posted: 21 May 2009 at 6:28pm
He's using hornresp i think.  When modelling mid tops in this programme be careful on the spl screen to click 'tools' then 'directivity'  then it asks you for which angle you are listening at.  In general this will be 0 so leave it and press ok.  This will inprove the response a lot.  It is not so critical for bass horns as they are mainly omnidirectional.
The directivity feature is available on the later versions.  It's also very useful for working out dispersion.
 
cheers
 


Posted By: psytron
Date Posted: 30 May 2009 at 4:29am
thanks for the tip for hornresp but i probably should have said drawing instead of modelling lol.

:)


Posted By: breakdabeat pete
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 5:38pm
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Posted By: nomis
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 5:55pm
let him build and measure the bootybass first!


Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 13 June 2009 at 11:19am
The LA6 is on order so should be able to start working on this after glastonbury.. oooo so many speakers to work on. exciting stuff. 




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Posted By: dj-panoramix
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 3:08pm
somes news about this project ?


Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 3:13pm
put on pause... I'm concentrating on a second attempt on the unity horn... and also I have no money for new drivers. Someone please buy my rig!

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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 09 July 2009 at 10:01am
too bad that you have now time and no money, this project would be very interesting for a few people in this forum (incl. me)...


Posted By: mashgwan
Date Posted: 13 October 2009 at 9:39am
Dave- any news on these?


Posted By: wizard23
Date Posted: 13 October 2009 at 5:12pm
So? did you finish this yet? 

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Posted By: onefootskenk77
Date Posted: 13 October 2009 at 6:51pm
Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:


H3 COMES TO MIND BEUTIFULL

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Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: 17 October 2009 at 3:52am
Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:

put on pause... I'm concentrating on a second attempt on the unity horn... and also I have no money for new drivers. Someone please buy my rig!
 
Unity???
 
Did I overlook something in this thread?
 
I'm very interested.


Posted By: Happy Jack
Date Posted: 17 October 2009 at 9:04am
Very encouraging! Well impressed. Be nice to see if someone else could pick up on this, get a prototype built and some real-world measurements down...

If I had a cash-cow and some time off work, I'd be in the workshop right now!

Smile


Posted By: JDCutta
Date Posted: 14 August 2010 at 4:52am
Did this design ever get finished? Very interested :) 


Posted By: Natty K
Date Posted: 14 August 2010 at 2:07pm
how low does it play? do the lower horn run on there own in full space?

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Posted By: JDCutta
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 9:49am
Bump


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 11:33am
Originally posted by onefootskenk77 onefootskenk77 wrote:

Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:


H3 COMES TO MIND BEUTIFULL


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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 11:39am
it never got built... theres a speaker building backlog with me.

im happy to pass on the sketchup files if anyone wants to take it on

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Posted By: djyves
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 11:50am
Design looks Great!
I would like to go on, and maybe build a prototype.


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:

it never got built... theres a speaker building backlog with me.

im happy to pass on the sketchup files if anyone wants to take it on


Would love to take this forward with 15", 12", 2".

http://forum.speakerplans.com/topic42366_post428793.html#428793 - http://forum.speakerplans.com/topic42366_post428793.html#428793

Got Fane 15-600LF, PD123ER and DE85/ME60 waiting in the wings...

Your thoughts, Professor ?




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Posted By: mikey bear
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 12:10pm
Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:

it never got built... theres a speaker building backlog with me.

im happy to pass on the sketchup files if anyone wants to take it on


yes please to the sketchup files! would make a nice project


Posted By: t.geessounds
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:

it never got built... theres a speaker building backlog with me.

im happy to pass on the sketchup files if anyone wants to take it on


I would love to take this forward with 15", 12", 2".

http://forum.speakerplans.com/topic42366_post428793.html#428793 - http://forum.speakerplans.com/topic42366_post428793.html#428793

Got Fane 15-600LF, PD123ER and DE85/ME60 waiting in the wings...

Your thoughts, Professor ?


am with lev too for the 15" , 12" and 2"
but i would like the plans so i can try them too Wink


Posted By: soundguymatt
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 8:20pm
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Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 8:23pm
cool, i'l make up a zip file with the cad files. You'l need the hornresp plots too, the mid range isn't really finished, there was still some work to be done on the phase bung. There's also a slightly different version which i prefer. 

Regarding the 15/12/2" it'l probably be quite a redesign. It took a long time to get everything to fit and to model properly with the 12". 

I'm looking forward to someone building it!




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Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 8:25pm
chuck it over to me also dave - surely a suitable companion to the USB2?

got lots of 15mm taking up space in the workshop.


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by davey t davey t wrote:

Regarding the 15/12/2" it'l probably be quite a redesign. It took a long time to get everything to fit and to model properly with the 12". 

I'm looking forward to someone building it!


After hearing what few people have said about H3 SPL in other thread, started considering idea of shoe horning most of the MT121 into cab with similiar layout to yours.

No phase bung though.

I'm thinking if 15" section can reach 200hz, shorter 12" straight horn/smaller mouth will be needed, which should also increase upper rolloff?


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Posted By: Pirlo
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 8:44pm
Interessted in this project as well.
Keep us updated, will help if I can. Thumbs Up


Posted By: davey t
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by tomschute tomschute wrote:

chuck it over to me also dave - surely a suitable companion to the USB2?

got lots of 15mm taking up space in the workshop.

Oooh can I  buy some off you please! I've got a half built unity horn which is waiting for some 15mm to build the outer enclosure. 


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Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 9:01pm
when I get my ass down there with these 2x shiney things I might just compensate you Wink

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Posted By: king david
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

[QUOTE=davey t]

I'm thinking if 15" section can reach 200hz, shorter 12" straight horn/smaller mouth will be needed, which should also increase upper rolloff?



12pe32 in smt212 can go to 1,8khz no problem, and wont sound harsh


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Posted By: JDCutta
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 11:20pm
Will be watching closely, very interested in this! 

Cheers


Posted By: JDCutta
Date Posted: 29 August 2010 at 6:14am
Any updates with this?


Posted By: jonny4288
Date Posted: 10 September 2010 at 2:19pm
Would be interested in the results of these, what freq range did you manage to cover?

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