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Topic: Solar 250
Posted By: nickyburnell
Subject: Solar 250
Date Posted: 27 April 2009 at 11:39pm
Is there a modern equivalent of these or are they really that expensive? 
 
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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 1:27pm
The modern equivalent of the Solar 250 is the.....
 
Solar 250!
 
iirc one of the cheaper manufacturers (Source, Acme or something) used to do a projector that took the 6" wheels for about £80 but it wouldn't take dual effects or cassettes.
 
Can be had for about £100 on ebay and hold their value well.  Accessories are expensive tho.  I've got 9 now and a range of effects but its been costly along the way.
 
 
edit: try a Google for oil projector, you'll get a few hits for Showtec, Soundlabm, etc units that might do the job if you actually want an oil effect.  For anything else I'd just buy a Solar, you can always sell it on.


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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 1:34pm
they are brilliant lighting effects, watching the actual gobo/colour wheels spinning amazes me!!!

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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 5:09pm
I had a lot once, they didn't seem expensive then....
 
What was the other famous one?


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Posted By: H...
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 5:24pm
google coloursoundexperiment's web site - Jasper was the 250 God IMHO

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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 6:06pm
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What was the other famous one?
 
There were the Tutor/Tutor2's which used to take the same accessories (well with the corners cut off) and lots of variations using kodak lenses and other bits and bobs.  Still quite a popular pastime for a lot of lighting folks....   Coloursound, Bubblevision still going, making custom effects and things and a small army on ebay buyinjg up all stuff that comes up there.


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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 6:11pm
There was another major brand, similar accesories, adjustable feet on front bottom... Freestanding.
 Anyone?


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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 6:12pm
Ahaa, you posted as I did :O
 Tutor 2, that was it..
 Thanks


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 28 April 2009 at 6:47pm
The Rank-aldis Tutor was far superior to the Optikinetics Solar 250..better made,better optics,much stronger (with a lovely cast ally case)..also had less light spill..all the solar 250's i had gave more light from the top and bottom vents than came out the projection lens when used with a dynagraph wheel set.
I have a Source one now (with the oil wheel),and its great,no light spill....only £80 new..god knows why 20 year old solar 250's sell for over £150 on ebay.
 
Check out this link and his collection of old Tutor projectors and effects.
  http://www.funky-parrot.com/rankaldis_tutor2.html - http://www.funky-parrot.com/rankaldis_tutor2.html
 
Edit,just found his splodascope page,good stuff!
http://www.funky-parrot.com/splodascope_inaction.html - http://www.funky-parrot.com/splodascope_inaction.html


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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 12:54am
Funky Parrot was one of the ebay faithful I was referring to in my previous post - had a few odds and sods off him over the years

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 1:17pm
Yep,i think the other guy on Ebay who keeps the prices high is "optifanetics"...im not saying its wrong,just seems by time you have bought a 20 year old solar 250,and a rotator,and wheel and prism etc,its pushing over the £200 mark,just seems a lot for what they are nowdays.
 
The best projector i had was a modified Kodak carrosel,it had been adapted to take a 3inch opti cassette rotator,the bulb was the same as a Solar 250 (A1/223 i think),but it was sooo bright,really good optics in it.


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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 5:49pm
Quote Yep,i think the other guy on Ebay who keeps the prices high is "optifanetics"...im not saying its wrong,just seems by time you have bought a 20 year old solar 250,and a rotator,and wheel and prism etc,its pushing over the £200 mark,just seems a lot for what they are nowdays
 
Is that user optifanatics?  If so its prob http://www.optifanatics.com - www.optifanatics.com
 
They're actually really nice guys, saw them at Plasa couple of years ago and had a chat.  Given that a new Solar with rotator and lense is £400, i don't think £200 is too bad, and they are pretty bullet proof.  So yes, i see your point about the price seeming high, but I bet some of my other lights won't be in a similar condition in 20 years time.


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:02pm
What was the other little red projector Norty,a sort of budget version of the Solar? i remember seeing them in Roger squires,so bought one...pluto was it? had a really strange bulb like an amplifier valve,i still have a few new spare bulbs for that somewhere.

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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:24pm
You might like this...
 
http://www.stagelighting.uk.com/Pluto-Lighting.htm - http://www.stagelighting.uk.com/Pluto-Lighting.htm
 

Pluto Electronics. The History

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WE LOVE PLUTO!
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for these legendary projectors and also with Optikinetics projectors in the shop.

In the beginning, there was automated kinetic light. The light came from a Rank Aldis Tutor projector, modified by Jimmy Doodie’s company, Krishna Lights.

In the period prior to collapse, Krishna Lights moved from premises in Googe Street London to Askew Road in Shepherds Bush. The management team, at this time, left on mass, to set up there own company, Optikinetics,

It was into the void left by their departure that Richard Millington was employed as General Manager and Rick Westlake as Production Manager. Shortly afterwards Richard Millington employed Micky Thompson as Photographic Darkroom Manager. At that time the kinetic cassettes were produced by exposing photographic glass plate to create the patterns, having them cut into the round and then hand painting before bonding into the final assembly.

Despite the best efforts of the new team the company failed in late summer of 1971.

Richard Millington and Rick Westlake then set about forming a fresh company, that had its humble beginnings in a bedroom of a terraced house belonging to Rick Westlake in Penge SE20. Micky Thompson also came with them bringing both graphic art and photographic skills.

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The company name came about, the three of them, discussing the problem over a pub lunch. Name after name was rejected until one of them said, Oh! We might just as well call it the Mickey Mouse Company, where upon someone else answered, or Pluto. So the Disney dog became the God of the Underworld became the new company name.

From initial capital of £800.00, fifty 100-watt tungsten Czechoslovak projectors were purchased, converted to take a six-inch oil wheel, which was purchased from Optikinetics, and the lot sold to Proops Brothers in the Tottenham Court Road. The money banked and more projectors bought.

That was 1972. Soon a vacant premises almost opposite Rick’s house was rented. It consisted of three floors. Initially only the first floor was used as a workshop and office. Micky Thompson moved with his young family from Ladbroke Grove into the top flat, and later a small metal working company was moved into the ground floor fabricating the necessary piece parts for the projectors.

At this time Pluto was not a brand name and manufactured projectors and accessories for others to market.

This strategy led to a very fruitful commercial relationship with the Australian Photographic manufacturer Hanimex. This led eventually to Pluto Electronics taking in batches of one hundred Hanimette 100s and also 1000s, converting them into kinetic projectors, re-labelling them as the Hanimex Aquarius range and selling them back to Hanimex. This process was repeated again and again. The Aquarius range was then marketed through the Hanimex network.

The Hanimex catalogue included the Aquarius projectors as well as a full range of accessories.

The company prospered until, in 1976, with no further expansion possible in the current premises, and with an annexed property a mile distant, and no suitable premises becoming available locally, the decision was taken to relocate to Andover.

Andover was a London overspill new town. The Company was looking for about 12,000 square feet but found 24,000 square feet for about the same rent.

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This sounded very good at the time but in retrospect had hidden dangers.

The three directors held job interviews at the local employment exchange. By the end of the day the initial workforce had been employed, since only one husband wife team had taken up the offer to relocate from London.
Whereas Optikinetics predominantly targeted the professional discotheque industry, the Pluto market share was targeted at the general public who wanted a Saturday night party light show and the mobile disk jockeys who also needed a mobile light show.

Production started in the new premises in the late summer of 1976. Over the next few years, a metal working department was established, to fabricate the numerous piece parts required. This was followed by a powder coating, painting facility.

When in peak production Pluto Electronics employed, counting the office, assembly staff, metal working, painting, glass cutting and silkscreen printing departments, about 100 people.

Lightomation, another kinetic projector and strobe light company, also relocated from London, and by chance moved onto Walworth Industrial Estate, in Andover, the same estate as Pluto. When they experienced financial difficulties Pluto bought the company, adding the Lito products to the range.

Some time after the move to Andover, it was decided to market Pluto as a brand name. Micky Thompson was tasked with launching the brand in the last months of 1978. The film Superman was premiering in London around the Christmas period. It was decided to create a super hero, who also wore his underpants on the outside, and call him Plutocrat, King if the Disco’s.

Twelve full-page advertisements were booked in Disco International, the leading trade journal. Starting January 1979 a full-page strip cartoon featuring Plutocrat, and a different Pluto product appeared each month during the year. As a twist, for those familiar with the disco industry at that time, was that other disco manufacturers names were woven into the dialogue, in a humorous way. In a rather dry product led publication many of the regular readership turned first to the Pluto page for a smile.

So Pluto as a brand was launched. We received mail, requesting information which started,
‘’ Dear Plutocrat’’

Only one Exhibition was attended each year, and Discotek ’79 saw a life size cut out of Plutocrat on the stand. People posed with him to have their picture taken.

As mentioned earlier, Pluto targeted the general public and mobile discos.

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I am not sure which of the mail order catalogues were approached first. It could have been Freemans. Whichever one it was, after the initial introduction of a projector and six-inch wheel, in the next catalogue issue, they wanted more and also other product.

Now, all the mail order catalogues monitor each other closely. Once one catalogue has identified a successful line, they all want to include the product in their catalogue. This was terrific. All the mail order companies all calling and wanting to place orders. Littlewoods wanted changes to the product, which were made. Pluto was the only company, at the time, to have a whole page of the catalogue, filled with different disco lighting products.

Now, it is a well-known business fact that a company should not do a disproportionate percentage of their business with any one company. What was not realised was the shoaling effect of the different mail order companies. So when the recession of the early eighties hit, and on a tight budget, the last thing people needed was a Saturday night party projector, all the different mail order companies, acted as one, and all either cancelled orders, or did not reorder.

This market sector was too large a percentage of turnover and Pluto went into receivership.

So came to a close an era.

Richard Millington, after a short while, went on to form a lighting company manufacturing lighting, which is still trading today, for the illumination of retail chain stores. Richard now lives in South West France. Micky Thompson joined him for a twelve-year period, and is now a freelancer marketer. John Straker, who joined as a director from Hanimex, also lives in, but a different part of, South West France. The memory lives on.

 


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 30 April 2009 at 10:18am
Oh excellent stuff Norty,yes that was it,Pluto 150.little red thing,no cooling fan,and very strange shaped bulb.

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Posted By: freeytrap
Date Posted: 03 May 2009 at 7:34pm
i have a fair sized colection of tutor 2s even older aldis and some oddertys i will get cataloging and posting maybe a vintage lighting thred


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 21 June 2009 at 5:15pm
Oh yes,oh yes,oh yes........Just for you Norty!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1970s-Disco-lamp-PLUTO-150-Oil-Wheel-Projector-light_W0QQitemZ350214116584QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Vintage_RL?hash=item518a6354e8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1970s-Disco-lamp-PLUTO-150-Oil-Wheel-Projector-light_W0QQitemZ350214116584QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Vintage_RL?hash=item518a6354e8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50


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Posted By: GAZ.
Date Posted: 21 June 2009 at 8:15pm
I have 2 lightomation lito 250's and 2 solar 250's. One of the optikinetics solars I have is an early one which is slightly smaller and has 240v accessory outlets.

The lito's are black and bigger than an opti but have exactly the same optics and bulb inside as the optikinetics ones. They take all optikinetics effects and have the 12v plugs that optikinetics use on them.



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Posted By: Ryan94
Date Posted: 24 June 2009 at 12:00pm
Blue aran are doing Opti-kinetics Solar 250s for £176 in the clearance section


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 25 June 2009 at 2:04pm
Plutos....im not sure what the term is for a collective amount of them....Pluti?
 
 


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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 25 June 2009 at 5:28pm
Quote Blue aran are doing Opti-kinetics Solar 250s for £176 in the clearance section
 
they're ex-hire though, you may get a better deal on fleabay


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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 30 June 2009 at 2:13pm
anyone know what ones were in use in the outside glade bit on the flags (between other stage n glade main). they looked amazing

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Posted By: SteveAATW
Date Posted: 30 June 2009 at 3:26pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

I have a Source one now (with the oil wheel),and its great,no light spill....only £80 new..god knows why 20 year old solar 250's sell for over £150 on ebay.


Can you point me to a link for these please, can't find anything on google


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 30 June 2009 at 8:31pm
Try this Steve.
http://www.rock-box.co.uk/shopping/product.php?productid=264 - http://www.rock-box.co.uk/shopping/product.php?productid=264
 
The magma's also occasionally popup on ebay as well...used ones about 50quid.


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Posted By: Preacher
Date Posted: 30 June 2009 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

Try this Steve.
http://www.rock-box.co.uk/shopping/product.php?productid=264 - http://www.rock-box.co.uk/shopping/product.php?productid=264
 


LOL That's Mr Ed (member on here) web site, might be worth PMing him to see if he can do a deal.


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Posted By: SteveAATW
Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

Try this Steve.
http://www.rock-box.co.uk/shopping/product.php?productid=264 - http://www.rock-box.co.uk/shopping/product.php?productid=264
 
The magma's also occasionally popup on ebay as well...used ones about 50quid.


Cheers - do they come with wheels or do you need to get them separately, just slightly confusing where it says "Accepts Optikinetics 575 6" effect wheels"


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 8:11pm
It comes with the 6inch oil wheel as standard,but you can fit any opti wheel.

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 03 July 2009 at 12:12pm
Steve,just spotted these oil wheel projectors on ebay..yes i know,its soundlab,but its only 60quid new...not as powerful as the Source magma though.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Soundlab-Psychedelic75w-Oil-Wheel-Light-Effect-very-60s_W0QQitemZ270414137668QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ConElec_LightingLEDsStrobes_RL?hash=item3ef5f04944&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1690%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Soundlab-Psychedelic75w-Oil-Wheel-Light-Effect-very-60s_W0QQitemZ270414137668QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ConElec_LightingLEDsStrobes_RL?hash=item3ef5f04944&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1690%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50


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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 03 July 2009 at 12:18pm
may get myself one, and do some modifying, if its viable, a fair few of these would be cool

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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 03 July 2009 at 12:34pm
They'd be cooler if they took cassettes.  I find the regular oil wheels are a bit passé, Rod's are nice because they're fast with small bubbles, but the good stuff with projectors is with cassette and wheel combos.  Lasers and distortion wheels are good fun too for classic lumia effects

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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 11 July 2009 at 11:05am
A verry nice example of a Tutor 2E
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190320736681&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190320736681&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123


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