Fane 18XB 600W Advertised as 800W
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Topic: Fane 18XB 600W Advertised as 800W
Posted By: levyte357
Subject: Fane 18XB 600W Advertised as 800W
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 12:31pm
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This is the 18XB600W available for a number of years, which Blue Aran has now decided to advertise as an 18XB800W http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fane-Colossus-18XB-800w-8-ohm-18-Subwoofer-Driver_W0QQitemZ130303067742QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ConElec_SpeakersPASystems_RL?hash=item130303067742&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A21%7C294%3A50 - here , even though no such driver is detailed on the Fane website. 
Sorry chaps, but is this the way the industry is going?  Have seen this upgrade of power handling, just by editing of specs elsewhere.. The manufacturer's name escapes me for the moment.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
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Posted By: Steak'n'ale
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 12:59pm
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Ah, yes I think we have read the same catalogue Levyte. Looks like they've moved to a new standard for their measurements. This company always did have a reputation for underrating drivers though. Maybe they've just decided that given that other manufacturers aren't so conservative they'd be shooting themselves in the foot continuing to sell to the AES standard? I've seen 18XBs driven with much more than 600W and be fine for long periods though. Its a very nice sounding driver indeed and definitely more resilient than 600W AES would suggest. ------------- Ay, Uncle Owen I'm off down't Tochie Station t'pick up some power converters |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 1:03pm
+1 I'm sure Fane could have easily upgraded this driver to handle 1kw, with slight tinkering, and still kept the musical sound, especially if B&C have been doing this with a 4" VC for years. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Steak'n'ale wrote:Posted By: snafu
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 1:05pm
| looking at an old flyer for the xb says it has been independantly tested at up to 900watts this is early 90s .I know what you mean though.You would hope that pro people would stick to the facts and leave all the hype to the car sound people.. |
Posted By: Rockin
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 2:15pm
| Ive stuck a bridged PLX3402 into a pair of these for a few gigs with no problem. Obviously i didnt run into clip though |
Posted By: SteveAATW
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 7:43pm
| Is the xmax listed on the specs erring on the safe side too? In sims on a reflex box you can't get anywhere near 600W without exceeding it by quite a margin |
Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 2:10pm
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hi.
so if i buy two fane 18xb and they are rated 800 watts does this mean they are the exact same driver as the ones that were rated 600 watt. ?
rus.
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Posted By: Stray-Sounds
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 2:13pm
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Is there a way of finding out the power rating? i have 2 old ones that say 600w and 2 brand new ones that dont mention the power rating. ------------- <a href="http://www.soundhirewales.co.uk/">PA & Lighting - Sound Hire Wales</a> |
Posted By: ukdubwise
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 2:31pm
At the moment i run them on 8Ohm (450W) so can't test them on full power cause the amp can't handle it.
Is there a way to registrate the watts at the moment you play them on full power?
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Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 2:35pm
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hi.
this is what it says on the driver.
 when i got my xb's a few years ago
 this is what it says on the side of the box. |
Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 3:01pm
hi gethin.
steak n ale is spot on.
http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=FANCOL18XB - http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=FANCOL18XB
have a read of this.
rus.
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Posted By: ukdubwise
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 3:44pm
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Why only mention bluearan with this.
On the first goolge page you'll find several online shops who advertise this driver as "800W".
example: http://www.thomann.de/be/mobile_prod.html?AR=228270 - http://www.thomann.de/be/mobile_prod.html?AR=228270
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Posted By: Stray-Sounds
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 4:22pm
These are the ones i have  is the second 1 600 or 800 ?? ------------- <a href="http://www.soundhirewales.co.uk/">PA & Lighting - Sound Hire Wales</a> |
Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 5:53pm
hi.
because bluearan is the one i found i didnt see any others i wasnt looking that well. but does it matter which one i posted. ?
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Posted By: ukdubwise
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 6:08pm
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hey m8,
No ofcourse it doesnt matter..
I will only say that it seems that many shops advertise with this missleading specs.
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Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 6:18pm
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hi ukbubwise.
ok no probs mate.
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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 6:21pm
but it would need more than a slight tinkering the XB cone is quite soft, a MUSH motor Ii think Rog calls them, great for scoops (NOT FLH), If you were to actually put a 1000 watt coil on this baby, the cone would tare up before the coil was at its max if you want something that sounds warm that handles power VERY well, go for the Helicex 18'' beyma 1600 watts they have still got the soft'ish cone but have reinforced the paper/pulp with what looks like loose fibre glass strands, so light weight, awesome sounding, and awesome power, I think the first person that puts one of these in a scoop will be onto a winner ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: snafu
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 8:08pm
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I bought 24 of these in 1995.I had them in folded horns,W bins,reflex bins,bandpass bins,V cavity bins(worst)and they worked well in all cabs,sold them relatively recently(last couple of years)all runners,had my money back dozens of times over.
Feel sorry for guy that buys 1600watt driver and thinks they are gonna output more than 2x 800 watt drivers,or 4x400watt drivers,or 8 x 200 watt drivers.
You all know the math.
DON,T BELIEVE THE HYPE.
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 8:17pm
+1. I would rather have 800W driver with No=2.88 (Approx 98db sensitivity), than 1200W+ driver with No=2 or less (approx 96db). ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: snafu
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 8:41pm
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Do people mean ripped cone or Dust cover?.After fitting to bandpass boxes(Ohm BRS copys)my XBs popped dust covers,this is result of rarefaction and compression in rear chamber that over time flexed the old style dust covers,spoke to Fane about this and they sent me 16 new style dust covers.(free of charge)this is a much stiffer type of cover,glue gunned them on and fine.I think we should scrap the power arms race(it aint working) and concentrate on sensitivety and well loaded drivers otherwise we are going round in circles with no progress.We all know more power aint the answer,more physics less fizz needed. Peace.
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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 8:54pm
Totally agree and about time someone said it too! I don't see why everyone has to try and get every last bit of power out of their gear? ------------- Never criticise another man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Once you have, call him what you like, you're a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 11:49pm
HOLD ON, a couple of post before you were talking about modifying the xb to handle more power..... |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 18 September 2009 at 2:29am
I said Fane could have easily upgraded the driver to handle 1Kw. The V18-1000 is rated at 1kw power handling and still has no > 3. I believe the quote above says I would rather have a driver rated @ 800W with no of about 2.88, than a 1200W+ driver with a No <=2. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 1:31pm
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bumping this post.. found it via google... and saw someone question this recently on another post... is there a technical difference between the ones marked as 600w and the ones marked as 800w? would one of each in the same box be a bad idea? or is it definitely just a new way of describing the power handling? sorry if this was definitively answered recently (like i say, i know it was discussed)... |
Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 2:51pm
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It looks very much it's only they way Fane specify the power rating that’s changed. Suppose they are having to do this to keep in line with other manufacturers who are looking for way to increase their products perceived power handling. ------------- it's all just cardboard and magnets really |
Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 3:10pm
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drop pauliepaul on here a line, i am sure he could clear that once and forever... afaik they are not just rated higher but also differ technically. |
Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 3:27pm
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Worth checking I suppose, we don't know for certain either way if there is a technical difference. ------------- it's all just cardboard and magnets really |
Posted By: Pinyorouk
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 4:38pm
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I called up Fane after purchasing one of these advertised as 800W and I was told they are technically the same as the ones labelled 600W. Blue Aran mentions the following: "High quality 18" sub bass driver. 800w E.I.A. Continuous Power Rating (equivalent to 600w A.E.S., over 3200w Peak)." |
Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 5:56pm
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Yes, I think it was just that the power rating was changed from A.E.S to E.I.A rather than any major re-design. You did the right thing checking with Fane though. ------------- it's all just cardboard and magnets really |
Posted By: ArthurG
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 6:14pm
I'm surprised FANE did not answer correctly but the new 800W models manufactured since mid 2010 have an IN / OUT voice coil when the old 600W has only an OUTSIDE voice coil. That explains the increased power rating. Cheers Arthur
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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 6:19pm
| ok so.. they ARE different drivers. |
Posted By: ArthurG
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 8:01pm
well in terms of sound and parameters, they are the SAME. the coil is also the same (still a 2 layers copper). Only the winding is different. With IN/OUT topology, you get better cooling thus increased power handling.
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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 3:35am
| so you think it'd be ok to mix them in a g-sub type box? |
Posted By: KonanSS
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 11:33pm
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What does A.E.S and E.I.A STAND for? ------------- KSS - Devon based always wanting to learn more |
Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 1:03am
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someone clear it up please its even more confusing on fane site the Xb is now 1000w...... ------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE 
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 1:23am
Yep but these haven't changed,
Guess this driver will be available 1st week in April.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 1:53am
Radio carbon dating will help here Lev. ------------- Billy Dawg. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 3:43pm
Doubt it. Radio carbon dating would just say the driver is now extinct, even though we're looking at one.. The T/S specs of the 2009 "800W" driver, match the new 1000W driver.. Understand there's a long waiting list for the * NEW * driver.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: kilowattsounds
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 5:11pm
The best person to ask about power handling of Fane Xbs would be Spanners ive witnessed him putting serious power through them of a crown 5k amp & sounding awesome believe me  
------------- MORE BASS LESS BEEF INCREASE THE PEACE !!!!! http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home - my facebook page |
Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 05 April 2013 at 2:52am
------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 05 April 2013 at 2:56am
As this never got answered before, test types are explained here: http://www.doctorproaudio.com/doctor/temas/powerhandling.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.doctorproaudio.com/doctor/temas/powerhandling.htm |
Posted By: KonanSS
Date Posted: 05 April 2013 at 4:37pm
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Ok so this is what's always confused me, lets say a speaker has an xmax of 14mm(one way). (bncsw115, 28mm both ways) but the driver has full excursion of 60mm back and forth. Surely when it says mechanical failure is when the coil comes out the gap, how come this driver has full excursion of almost double the size needed? ------------- KSS - Devon based always wanting to learn more |
Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 05 April 2013 at 7:55pm
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The coil can come out of the gap and the coil former will stay in. Again there is much confusion between Xmax and Xlim. ------------- Billy Dawg. |
Posted By: KonanSS
Date Posted: 05 April 2013 at 10:41pm
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Sorry what is xlim? ------------- KSS - Devon based always wanting to learn more |
Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 06 April 2013 at 3:31am
No confusion in my mind, Xlim has become a B/S parameter :) A B/L vs excursion graph is way more useful Tony This is an interesting read (if you like that sort of thing) http://www.klippel.de/uploads/media/Loudspeaker_Nonlinearities%E2%80%93Causes_Parameters_Symptoms_06.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.klippel.de/uploads/media/Loudspeaker_Nonlinearities%E2%80%93Causes_Parameters_Symptoms_06.pdf
------------- www.forteaudio.eu - BMS - db-Mark Processors - Lexon (SAE) |
Posted By: Elliot Thompson
Date Posted: 06 April 2013 at 9:46am
Each manufacture has their meaning on how to estimate xmax. Personally, I only focus on the one way peak or peak to peak and pay no mind to the xmax. You also need to take into consideration how many drivers you have lost due to having the cone extend so far that the cone dislodges. The majority lose drivers due to burnt voice coils not exceeding the xmechanical (one peak or peak to peak) limit. Best Regards, ------------- Elliot Thompson |
Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 06 April 2013 at 10:46am
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Xlim is the point where the coil cannot move any more without damage Aaron Some call this Xmech. Xmax is ( by it's origin) part of the design of a motor, not a figure calculated to get the voice coil overhang. On here is a simple sketch Aaron; http://www.subwoofer-builder.com/xmax.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.subwoofer-builder.com/xmax.htm ------------- Billy Dawg. |
Posted By: Dawie
Date Posted: 22 April 2013 at 11:35am
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Interesting to read on first page that Fane and PD are now owned by Eminence. Maybe this explains some of the differences in specs between Fane's older and newer designs? Xmax- seems that few manufacturers specify this at 10% distortion. Seems that RCF, PD, 18sound and the newer Fane products specify xmax as coil overhang plus air gap divided by 4. (In other words when 75% of the gap is still occupied by part of the coil, 25% of gap empty). However, it seems that the Fane 18XB's specs were still calculated using an old formula of 90% coil inside the gap. Using the same formula Fane uses for calculating their newer drivers, the 18XB indeed have 9mm xmax and not 7.5. Obviously mechanical limitations caused by the spider/surround would affect this. Looking at Beyma and B&C, they seem to specify xmax as overhang plus gap divided by 3.5. Which results in their xmax specs being slightly optimistic. For instance the 18XB would calculate at 9.36mm xmax using this formula. Obviously there are differences in motor design that could effect these calculations ... |
Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 22 April 2013 at 12:40pm
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I'm surprised FANE did not answer correctly but the new 800W models manufactured since mid 2010 have an IN / OUT voice coil when the old 600W has only an OUTSIDE voice coil. That explains the increased power rating. Is this correct anyone for sure? so what we saying pre 2010 there is NOT inside and outside windings of the voice coil? can anyone answer this ? thanks ------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE
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Posted By: ArthurG
Date Posted: 22 April 2013 at 1:22pm
Why you doubt my words ? I am the kind of person to spread BS ? I was official FANE distributor, buying thousand of drivers from their Chinese factory. I got the information first hand from Mark Oldroyd and I've seen the 2 coils (out and in/out) it's 200% sure --Arthur
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Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 22 April 2013 at 1:33pm
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No Arther not doubting yu words man! just found it very Interesting , as a lot of people would of be none of the wiser with older version of the driver ect Why you doubt my words ? I am the kind of person to spread BS ? easy i didnt know you had worked with fane ect sorry if you felt affended ......... .i hear yu loud and clear cheers bro
 ------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE
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Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 22 April 2013 at 10:43pm
Fane are not owned by Eminence. It is owned by the Barnes family, who may well of course own other companies. ------------- Billy Dawg. |
Posted By: Andy Kos
Date Posted: 23 April 2013 at 11:07pm
The differences are partly to do with change of ownership, and change of manufacturer of some products to china (cheaper fane products made in china, premium fane products in UK) and generally they are updating and improving products to meet modern day power demands. ------------- just a guy with a warehouse and a few speakers... www.bluearan.co.uk |