How Serious are ya about yer HI-FI Cabs?
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Topic: How Serious are ya about yer HI-FI Cabs?
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Subject: How Serious are ya about yer HI-FI Cabs?
Date Posted: 24 September 2005 at 5:53am
| How do ya lot go on 'bout ya Hi-Fi speaker Cabinets? |
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Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 24 September 2005 at 7:02am
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The same way as about the PA stuff here ;-) A good PA cab will sound
useable in the home in my opinion. My tannoy 15" Monitors are currently
being re-built by the carpenter and some 12"/1" Tops serve rather well
in their place, except that they are 600 km away in the hands of my 16
yo brother ;-) who would put the fully active mini-PA to good use on
the neighbours if it weren't for two other sibblings studying for
accounting exams keeping him in check. Just don't come to me with a toy hi-fi speaker for who knows how much in anything but the smallest of rooms. If the 1" dome crossed too low doesn't like some dynamics or if the little mid-basses sound like they'd rather be crossed above 300Hz when asked to reproduce a live-recorded bassdrum or Orchestra. I don't care whether you just dropped R50.000 on your HT but a nearfield monitor is just that: meant for near-field listening. </ramlbings> PS: I am the type who will audition a HT subwoofer with the Telarc Recording of the 1812 with significant content (-7dB fs down to 7Hz iirc) on the bits with the live recorded cannonfire. See the salespeople jump as far as the driver's throw ;-) |
Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 6:27am
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I’m sitting with a pair of old SEAS speakers. ‘Stole’ them from the ex…
I had to build new boxes for them. Searched the net for don’t know how long to find specs on them. The drivers are something like 30 years old. Built two 30L sealed boxes for them. Its two 10 inch woofers (25 TV-EW) with BIG surrounds. Looks like ‘Big Roll Surround’ car subs. The tweeters are 1.5 inch voice coil textile domes (Dome 87 H). I used the crossovers that came with them. Modified the L-pad to bring the tweeters down about 1 dB though. They sound f**kin good. They sound better than some Kef and |
Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 6:40am
| Sorry 'bout the OT rambling (look at teh time of post ;-), SEAS do produce some good components and there is often times nowt wrong with some older components, as long as the crossover for them is well thought through. Just be aware, that speakers you built yourself will always sound a little better to yourself than to an objective party, but DIY is 60% of the joy in building hi-fi speakers. My next hi-fi project is a 4x 6.5" (the cheap woven yellow cone Scotronics jobbies and the riddiculously linear monacor MSH-116 4" mid and DT-28 tweeter, perhaps with a waveguide, have to see when I get back home) |
Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 8:37am
| ATC make a very nice sounding dome midrange.But I don't bother with HIFI speakers and just use my RCF ART500's in my bedroom to save costs and blown hifi speakers like i did a hell of a lot in the past. |
Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 10:06am
| ATC Dome is pure pr0n for a wide/omni dispersion type design (very well damped room) but the constant directivity waveguides and large cones allow for is much more beneficial in more live(ly) environments. I just find myself with lots of drivers starting at me from a shelf and I feel obliged to do something with them. |
Posted By: Dave Slater
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 5:58pm
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just got hold of a pair of 10" tannoy dual concentrics circa '80 they're still in the original boxes and in really good nick for saying they're 25yrs old i actually bought them to put in some new and more asthetically pleasing cabs for the living room but when i got them back home the only available amp was in my studio first listening i was like f**k this there's no way they're going downstairs! awesome sound beats the sh*t out of my spirit absolute zeros (which now reside in the living room) the difference point source makes in the nearfield situation is unbelievable i'm hearing things i didn't know existed on tracks i've been listening to for years
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Posted By: Hugo Biermann
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 7:07pm
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Oh, jea! the SEAS's also went to the studio at the office. Had to fight to get them back. They shat all over the Absolute Zeros... Our engineer couldnt believe that the 'old crappy' speakers could reproduce the things they do. Sorry I ment they extend all the way into the low 30's. They rattle windows with a decent dvd. Sometimes i think my old kenwood subwoofer is still connected... |
The 30L box volume I used I took off the 20 - 30L reccomended box volume on the paper I downoaded off their site. They came out of a 15L box...Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 1:27am
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You'd struggle to get my Tannoy 15" Dual concentrics out of my dead cold hands. |
Posted By: biotec
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:50am
| I've got 2 mackie active sa1521's, one goes in the living room for the downstairs decks, and one goes in my bedroom cos the girlfriend loves em, i can only be grateful that pa speakers come painted in wipe-clean polyeurethane. |
Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 1:21pm
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I use a pair of self design jobbies using Volt 8" bass units and
Scan-Speak Revelator tweeters. Using Supersound Poly caps and Volt Air
cored inductors. They don't sound Hi-Fi at all they just sort of play music in a very musical way. Tony p.s. See image left |
Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 4:38pm
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ive got nuff love for hi fi excelence just like pa got the whole spectrum of hi speakers in all rooms tannoy little red [bedroom] tannoy westministers [studio] yamaha ns 10 [studio] jbl control 1s [bathroom] kef 104/2 [living room] mixup of control systemdeck glass platter linn itok arm turntable cyrus pre/and power quad 303 mono block circa 1978 demo model 80w valve amp from old blue spot gram [dogs nuts of warm amps just a minor amount of my gear slanted nakamichi dragon tape deck
aka im an audio nut ------------- IM SO SECRETIVE BUT I CANT TELL YOU WHY |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 5:35pm
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westminster golds?? since when? ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 12:10pm
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ORIGINAL forimica covered ones had them years since about 1988 just been mothballed needed new crossover in one but those fine tannoy men have now given me a trade account so there back in action AH YEAH ------------- IM SO SECRETIVE BUT I CANT TELL YOU WHY |
Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 12:37pm
| Seems like a couple of fans on this forum. Mind you they sound superb run actively and one can even get rid of the period 1-2kHz (but very, very slight) dip. When teamed up with subs there is really very little that perform that well in especially larger size rooms (and for mike.e they have superb reflective behaviour in the HF, about on par with tractrix horns in a study by Holland that I should really have scanned sometime) |
Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 11:48pm
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Martin : would like to see it! Also Ive been emailed an article about stahls synthesis of loudspeaker parameters through electrical means,changing driver parameters,using constant current source,and lower distortion-I think through the last item rather than anything else.[audiopro.com] I havent investigated concentrics but the KEF white papers seem to show a nice resposne in the time domain for their co ax. Mike.e |
Posted By: Timber_MG
Date Posted: 28 September 2005 at 1:41am
| Uhm, KEF's UniQ drivers are not bad in all fairness, but not quite he real thing when compared to Tannoys. The little 3/4" dome isn't up to the task of reproducing what I'd expect ito dynamics. They are however considdered superior to Seas's co-axes by many but a dome tweeter isn't nearly as good at driving a waveguide as a comperssion driver. |
Posted By: LunchieTey
Date Posted: 28 September 2005 at 3:21am
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I'm a big fan of 'fullrange' drivers! I use visaton b200's in Visaton's own 'Solo 100' design. Response ranges in room down to 30hz and on axis up to 15k(and above -10db at 20k) with only small ripples at least to 10k(+-2db or so) Nothing beats the sheer coherence of the sound and the imaging. Sure there is a little crispness missing and pounding bass(active sub makes up for it if required) but they sound 100 times better than my vifa loaded MTM's on surround duties or the Vifa 3way transmission lines upstairs(although the TL's are genuine 20hz monsters!) ------------- Speaker addict |
Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 28 September 2005 at 8:27pm
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i haven't got round to setting up my hi-fi for years now, which is kind of
disappointing and a bit of a waste as i have a pair of quad esl 57s. i would like to build a small rig that could be used in the living room comfortably, and i have enough passively cooled amps to run it without fan noise. got some other things to finish first though... one of the quads has a torn dust cover which farts at any respectable volume (a simple repair and i know from reputation that they can go pretty loud) and i'm not really sure what amp i should use to drive them as i don't have any valve gear. this is more than a puritanical point as the electrostatics present a pretty wierd impedance loading if i remember correctly. one of the 1970s bipolar bruisers that have now been retired from active duty could be used, but maybe something smaller would be safer. i want to use them in some kind of bedroom studio with an active sub, they are rather special. listening to live jazz recordings on them is actually spooky, the imaging on them is so wide that you can really lose yourself. rumour has it they were voted greatest hi-fi product of all time in some survey in 2000, which i find believable. james. |
Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 6:04am
| In my workshop/study/spare room atm the hi-fi is a pair of mismatched, ex-install Turbo TXD520's and one of my 15" subs under the desk! My 'proper' hi-fi which I bought during my gap year is a pair of B&W DM602s2's. Nothing amazing but the combination of kevlar bass-mid and aluminium tweeter gives a nice crisp sound and no shortage of volume. |
Posted By: Hatchetman
Date Posted: 03 October 2005 at 11:24am
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Well i´m not there yet (beer-money you see) but the studiomonitors of dynaudio have really blown my mind. Even their cheaper models. Go have listen if you can, their worth it!! And my current speakers i shall not name.. (Eltax) |