Temporary Architectural Lighting
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Topic: Temporary Architectural Lighting
Posted By: VPAS
Subject: Temporary Architectural Lighting
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 10:03am
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Hi
Anyone had any experience in this? I need to light the exterior of a large mill building, its a four story building, that requires lighting on 3 walls; one is 8m wide, one is 7m and final one is 20m. We are not required to light the entire 20m stretch although it would be good to do if its not too much harder to implement. The problem is that there are foot paths and roads around the building so i cant position lighting fixture away from the building. My solution is to position the lights from the window ledges of the first floor windows. What do you think the best way to do this would be? Any suggestions for the fixtures? i was looking at these http://www.pandahire.co.uk/hire/productview.php?java=true&prodno=497 - http://www.pandahire.co.uk/hire/productview.php?java=true&prodno=497 There is an 1800w version if power is an issue... ------------- n^2 modulo -P = number wang |
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Posted By: Preacher
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 10:44am
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City Colour's are fab lighting up buildings (well they are designed to do that!). Are the window ledges wide/deep enough to take them and still have the right angle to up light the building? ------------- It's all about the music & the vibe, so enjoy it while you can. |
Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 10:59am
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no, not really sure what to do about that.
was thinkin bout building some frames that can be secured on the inside of the window frame just by the weight of the fixture on the other side. Il see if i can pop down and get a pic of the building today Its a listed building so cant do much more then put a couple of safteys in the wall for the fixture. Do you think 3 of the 1800w city colours would suffice? what do you think about LED wash's? cheers chris ------------- n^2 modulo -P = number wang |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 11:31am
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Having used City colours, they rock but you may want to see one before consider flying it. I modded 4 of them to fly but to do a safer job I had to drill holes for M10 bolts in them which isn't an option if they are not yours. THey are quite heavy (maybe 40Kgs) but seem about 60 as they are so akward to move about.
The Palco 5 fittings are pretty cool, use less power but you do need twice as many...
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Posted By: Pete
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 12:44pm
| Does it need to be colour changing?And have you got any images of the building? |
Posted By: jonminns
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 12:57pm
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You don't really want to be lifting city colours if you can help it, and you definately don't want to be hanging them out of windows with home built frames They are very bright, you may be surprised at how well they do just at the bottom of the building |
Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 1:04pm
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OK so the city colours may be a bit heavy.
Unfortunatly there is no where to put the lights around the bottom of the building. il go and take a picture in a bit, give you a better idea of the task ------------- n^2 modulo -P = number wang |
Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 14 August 2009 at 10:13am
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right, i may have underestimated the size of the building.
First off its 5 stories and the widths of the walls are a bit bigger then i estimated. I dont think its going to be easy... I didnt resize the first 2 images to show some details Here is an image of the entrance, this side shouldnt be too dificult to position lights on. There are rails and walls i could use. 
The other walls will be a bit harder 
they are not that fussed if the long back wall gets done. Any thoughts? could have a single colour going up from the 1st floor window ledges on the phone box side using light wieght wash lights and gels. Then do something a bit fancy round the other side to brighten up that entrance a bit Its for an open studios event where local creative-sorts display their work ------------- n^2 modulo -P = number wang |
Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 14 August 2009 at 10:39am
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How long do you have to light it for? Would you be allowed to fix anything to the building (ie drill into the masonry?) You could consider using some LED battens (really good ones!) It sounds like you're not used to doing this kind of job, you might be better bringing some assistance from a lighting company who own the kind of fixtures you need for this job. |
Posted By: audioman1
Date Posted: 14 August 2009 at 10:57am
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take a look at liteled.com
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Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 14 August 2009 at 10:59am
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Correct, i won’t be attempting to undertake by myself; I have someone who is experienced on the job with me. I just like explore it a bit myself to get an idea of the area. Rather than having to follow blindly. I study aspects of light and lighting at uni so it’s not completely new to me. It’s a 3 day event but the lighting is only really required for one night. My initial thought was use decent led bars. Il have a look into it. Cheers ------------- n^2 modulo -P = number wang |
Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 2:16pm
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id personally think the only safe way of doing this is to drill and mount light weight floods at 1st floor height - either LED or gelled halogen/discharge ones. Dont place anything on the pavement or telephone box, is council land, requiring permissions, and would only get knicked regardless. dont forget the installation must all be IP44 rated, dont want rain stopping play!!
one thing i have against education, is its all very well studying the theory of it, but it very rarely has ANY practical aspects too it, that comes from experience on the job. The 'live sound and music technology' peeps i have working with/for me can draw pretty pictures of speaker rigs on cad programs, talk endless techy jargon, but cant wire a plug, cant cope with the hours of lifting, dont have any idea on work ettiquite etc.... ------------- ''Remember that the object of a subwoofer is to enhance the output of your main speakers, not overpower it'' ''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart'' |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 2:22pm
| A cheap, easy but very effective approach would be 150W HMI floods with coloured lamps in, you can get 150W fittings for leas then £40 and a few coloured lamps would give a solid, lightweight solution.... |
Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 11:17am
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cheers for the help, i think i will be looking into lightweight floods
ginger, its a very good point bout education. I have become very frustrated,at times, with the course im on because of this. There is no substitue for experience ------------- n^2 modulo -P = number wang |
Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 11:40am
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the 150w mbi flood option is probably a good one - the blue / green / pink lamps are effective, particularly if you break up the colour a bit. Go for fixtures with a strong asymetric distribution if you have to mount them near to the facade, this will allow a greater throw of light from the fixture.
city colours are great, but are big, cumbersome and are usually bolted into their flightcase bases by hire companies.
you could also try throwing some breakup wash from some source 4 profiles or similar if you have an area away from the building to throw light from, or alternatively, if you have access to the inside of the building, how about scrimming the inside of the windows with casement material, and lighting from the inside - either colour changing led or static colours could look very good indeed, at the same time removing the rigging and weather exposure / security problems
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Posted By: Preacher
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 9:39pm
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Looking at the pic's city colours are a bit bulky, unless you end up rigging a whole load of scaff around the place above head hight, and that would just look sh*te. A cheap solution I used before we had things like DMX floods (city colours etc.), we used those standard outdoor cheap halogen floods. We had some 500w ones for small buildings or features in gardens, and big 1000w ones for bigger buildings. Lit a few country mansions with a load of these, and to give it a bit of colour we put a kind of chicken wire mesh over the front, arched/bowed out from the glass front and attached/clipped gels to them. You have to bow it out as the middle burns the gels to quick, a bit of 'black wrap' foil around the sides to stop light spill, job done. I like csg's idea about lighting from the inside, also you could get LED strips/battens on the window ledges possibly? And if you can get into another building you could use a profile spot with a rotating gobo in it, possibly the name of the event. ------------- It's all about the music & the vibe, so enjoy it while you can. |
Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 8:44am
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Cheers for the pointers, the event is still a couple of months away yet so im still very much sat at the drawing board with this. The client has decided that they want the main area of focus to be the corner shown in pics 3 + 4.
I witnessed a city colour in the flesh last nite... Just a tad bigger then i thought they were 
cjeers chris ------------- n^2 modulo -P = number wang |
Posted By: Marshy
Date Posted: 28 October 2009 at 4:13pm
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We have used these and they work great! No cables to run and they are pretty bright for the size! Program them up and leave them run! They normally go out for around £30 p/w from out supllier! Where are you based?
Opps... Link!
http://www.actlighting.com/GDS/LiteWare-presentation.htm - http://www.actlighting.com/GDS/LiteWare-presentation.htm
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