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Topic: WSX Loaded with Void 1000
Posted By: AgentRied
Subject: WSX Loaded with Void 1000
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 1:32pm
Heres some photos from a project weve just finished, 2 WSX loaded with the 18 inch Void 1000.

Tested them out this weekend and gave them a good spanking, 1 clone flanked by 2 originals with 2 WC8s per stack, the void loaded ones were noticably louder and certainly held their own :o)

http://www.agentried.co.uk/wsxtra/wsxtra.htm - Build Photos

Suffering from exposure to too much bass now tho... either that or the dodgy stella

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Posted By: mobiele eenheid
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 2:46pm

Nice!

Wkr Johan



Posted By: teletoby
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 2:24am

It looks very nice!

What's about the air noise in the horn-flare, is the interference louder as with the original WSX?

Tobias



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Posted By: PoteirosCorp
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 11:11am
Good job


Posted By: chilli
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by teletoby teletoby wrote:

What's about the air noise in the horn-flare, is the interference louder as with the original WSX?



air noise, i couldnt hear any of that, i was too busy trying to breathe.


Posted By: soundguymark
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 8:29am

Can you post the plans for WSX on here please or email to me, my email address is on my profile.

They look good, what do you they would perform like against the 1850 horn with the Void 1000 driver in???

 

Thanks

Mark

 



Posted By: chilli
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 12:22pm

they go a little lower than the 1850, really smooth fat bass, but they are a deceptively big box. a stack of 4 outsidecarried a long way. the void driver means it can take more power than the original wsx.

apparently cva were running stacks of 6 with horn flare extenders on a big college tour. pretty sure that would have been impressive.



Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 10:31pm

I listen to TWO wsxs once a week normally,listening to DNB in my small local - definately a nice experience!

WSX+flare extenders =

 

I like the WSX in between sort of character,between 1850 and labhorn.



Posted By: desmondj
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 8:37am
ok but how do we get those void drivers here in the usa without paying too much for shipping..?


Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 18 November 2005 at 10:44pm

Originally posted by desmondj desmondj wrote:

ok but how do we get those void drivers here in the usa without paying too much for shipping..?

You dont - Theres got to be some sort of equivalent there.



Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 19 November 2005 at 5:02am
Nightfire over here do a PD1850 copy (18250 or similar) but it's made by the Canadian Speaker Corp?.  Maybe that's easier to obtain.


Posted By: jers38
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 2:35am
what do you think of BMS 18N850 drivers on wsx ?


Posted By: MixMan X
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 1:28pm

Are there plans for the WSX anywhere?

 

 

 



Posted By: *MMD
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 4:17pm

WSX

http://www.iven.nl/kastontwerpen/kastontwerpenpdf/martin%20wsx.pdf - http://www.iven.nl/kastontwerpen/kastontwerpenpdf/martin%20w sx.pdf



Posted By: MixMan X
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 6:01pm

Thanks. Looks interesting.

 



Posted By: MixMan X
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 7:14pm

Couple of questions.

 

How low does it go?

Is there any need for the rebate where the speaker mounts? I can't see it doing anything really?

How would this compare to the Punisher?

 



Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 9:56pm
Originally posted by MixMan X MixMan X wrote:

Couple of questions.

 

How low does it go?

Is there any need for the rebate where the speaker mounts? I can't see it doing anything really?

How would this compare to the Punisher?

 

It goes to 40hz ish. Ive heard two indoors. Its about twice the volume of a punisher so expect to use twice as many punishers to keep up,the cutoff on the punisher is slightly higher to near 45hz or 55hz too.

 



Posted By: Centauri
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by MixMan X MixMan X wrote:

How low does it go?

Is there any need for the rebate where the speaker mounts? I can't see it doing anything really?


In a stack of 6, they get nicely into the 30s 

The rebate is to prevent the cone slamming into the baffle.  An alternate solution would be a 6mm or 9mm ply ring between the baffle and speaker.

Cheers
Graeme



Posted By: MixMan X
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 2:48am

Ah, so the basket sit outside the rebate. Makes sense now. Could be an interesting project.

 



Posted By: AgentRied
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 6:44am

An alternate solution would be a 6mm or 9mm ply ring between the baffle and speaker.



Not if your using the Void Driver, if you were to make a 6 or 9 mm ply ring it would move the driver that far from the throat which although its not much, will mean the service pannel wont fit on due to the size of the magnet on the void driver and the depth of the handles. Mine are built with the rebate and you only have about 3-4mm clearance from the handles and the magnet

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Posted By: AgentRied
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 6:48am

In a stack of 6, they get nicely into the 30s



I can imagine... I put mine out with Chilli's and we did 3 a stack and that was full on, 6 in a stack must leave you broken minded and gasping for breath

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Posted By: AgentRied
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 7:03am
Originally posted by *MMD *MMD wrote:

WSX


http://www.iven.nl/kastontwerpen/kastontwerpenpdf/martin%20wsx.pdf - http://www.iven.nl/kastontwerpen/kastontwerpenpdf/martin%20w sx.pdf



These are the plans I worked from but be warned the're is missing detail, the throat looks quite simple initially, but there are no plans or measurements for the side flares of the throat which have some really difficult angles to cut.

A hard but WELL worth it project.... cant wait to get them out again tomorrow

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Posted By: Centauri
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 7:56am
Originally posted by AgentRied AgentRied wrote:

These are the plans I worked from but be warned the're is missing detail, the throat looks quite simple initially, but there are no plans or measurements for the side flares of the throat which have some really difficult angles to cut. 


When I initially drew those up, it was just from measurements I could get at on a genuine box.  I never did get around to building any, or converting the drawings to CAD, so never worked out individual part dimemsions.  Glad to see some are working it out ok.

Cheers


Posted By: MixMan X
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 8:13am

Those angles don't look too bad, a bit fiddly with the angle going in two directions at the same time. I might give it a go after I finish my Punishers.

 



Posted By: chilli
Date Posted: 27 November 2005 at 12:29pm
wooo! ran the wsxtras(like it..) last night, just a pair in one stack each one fed from a bridged ep2500 at 8 ohms. woah! shocking! shook shot glasses off of the bar and made for some seriously nauseating bass if you put your head near the horn mouth. the room had about 250/300 people in it and they easily provided enough thump to shake the whole place. having tried real wsx's in a pair with about 900w each, these certainly were louder, we set the hpf to 40hz and sat back and enjoyed.

seriously impressed, next time we'll try about 1500w into each..might need to get some bigger tops though.


Posted By: chilli
Date Posted: 27 November 2005 at 12:34pm
oh yeah, the ep2500's at 8 ohm stayed reasonably cool and i certainly havent got any complaints as to the output. 400 for 2 x 1300w is pretty good value in my book, we tried them at 4 ohm, but they got pretty hot pretty fast and as they were going to be ragged all night and seeing as we had a spare ep2500 with us i thought it was much the better option to run at 8 ohm.

also anyone know of any drivers suitable for a wsx that'll be available in the US?


Posted By: MixMan X
Date Posted: 27 November 2005 at 3:06pm

What's this talk of flare extenders, what are they like?

 

 

 



Posted By: chilli
Date Posted: 27 November 2005 at 3:47pm
cav in bournemouth had them specially made for the slinky tour, apparently they were large barndoors that bolted onto the front of stacks of 6 wsx, lengthening the horn path and coupling the cabs.

only heard of them never seen them.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 28 November 2005 at 7:08am

What would be the good parameters for VSX driver

Minimum EBP

Minimum BL

Fs

Xmax

Qts



Posted By: AgentRied
Date Posted: 28 November 2005 at 7:42am
Originally posted by chilli chilli wrote:

might need to get some bigger tops though.



Your not wrong there mate once Marcus and I have build another set of WSXtras gonna need some serious tops...

A new project for the new year...



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Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by MixMan X MixMan X wrote:

What's this talk of flare extenders, what are they like?

Easy to design and make. Probably just doubles the mouth area in a path length of about 1metre. Expansion only on one panel.



Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

What would be the good parameters for VSX driver

Minimum EBP

Minimum BL

Fs

Xmax

Qts

Something similar to the original which is the RCF18 300 or whatever.. Fs ~36hz Qts ~ 0.3 Xmax >6mm



Posted By: twinnypaul
Date Posted: 11 December 2005 at 8:03am
how deep is the rebate and would a rcf s800 fit in


Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 2:37pm

Congrats Agentried: Great job.You inspire me.



Posted By: dj-panoramix
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 6:35pm

i found this plan too but not the angles of it ....anybody have this ?

it's really hard to make thisone if you don't get this ....



Posted By: speed
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 6:35am
do you think the bc tbx work fine in this horn


Posted By: chilli
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 6:40am
Originally posted by dj-panoramix dj-panoramix wrote:

i found this plan too but not the angles of it ....anybody have this ?

it's really hard to make thisone if you don't get this ....



draw the plan as a 1/1 scale drawing and work it out. pretty obvious really


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 18 September 2007 at 5:38pm

First time seeing this thread, as old as it is, there's some wicked looking build pics at the start. Where can one get to hear a load/couple stacks of WSX's ? Any club/s around anyone know of which has them installed ?

 


Posted By: twinypaul
Date Posted: 18 September 2007 at 6:23pm
fabric has got them

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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 18 September 2007 at 7:16pm
Where's Fabric & what kinda music is played there ?


Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 18 September 2007 at 10:22pm

just discovered this club / label myself actually!.. then downloaded all 34 fabric live albums.. some cheese but also some damn good tunes.. no idea where the club is... london I think?

Ranges from D&B - Hardcore - House - Breaks. etc etc



Posted By: Dunk
Date Posted: 18 September 2007 at 10:34pm
EC1M opposite Smithfiled Market in Central London.  Has been going for a while, never been but some mates have.  It was never "underground" enough for me!  I remember them telling me there is a vibrating dancefloor. 

Here we go

The club founded by Keith Reilly and Cameron Leslie was opened in October 1999 after years of planning.. It has three separate rooms with independent sound systems. A unique feature of the club is its vibrating floor in Room 1.

Known as a "bodysonic" dancefloor, sections of the floors are attached to 400 bass transducers emitting bass frequencies of the music being played, allowing clubbers to feel the music through bass frequencies transmitted into their skeletons via their feet.

As well as the club housing Europe's first bass-loaded ”bodysonic“ dancefloor, it currently has 5 soundsystems and 3 bars over two levels and a total area of 25,000 square feet.



Posted By: Ionkontrol
Date Posted: 19 September 2007 at 1:41pm
The Telegraph on Brixton Hill has 4 x WSX in the main room.
Fabric is in Farringdon, DnB on Fridays, House/techno on Saturdays.



Posted By: HansA
Date Posted: 19 September 2007 at 3:40pm
Thats some GOOD porn. WOh.
Could'nt get the link to the plans working thow :/


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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 19 September 2007 at 6:41pm

Cheers gents - Both them veues will have to be checked out! An up & coming young DJ where I work who plays dance, house, breakbeats & d'n'b heard me asking about Fabric, & told me it's a must as the system in there is fat. So that once a month massive gig on Fridays will have to be visited one day! 



Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 19 September 2007 at 10:00pm
Once upon a time, WSX copies cost £600 each...

Now you can get them for £400 a pair of eBay.





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Posted By: chilli
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 11:35pm
Originally posted by Ionkontrol Ionkontrol wrote:

The Telegraph on Brixton Hill has 4 x WSX in the main room.


and its nowhere near enough for the size of the room, last time i was there i was shown over the amp rack by the in house guy, qsc powerlights and bss processing, it sounded awful.

which is definately down to not enough rig being driven too hard.


Posted By: boycey
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 10:13am
Originally posted by AgentRied AgentRied wrote:

1 clone flanked by 2 originals with 2 WC8s per stack, the void loaded ones were noticably louder and certainly held their own :o)
 


did i see this rig at louise plus1's birthday bash [reraveall] saturday just past?


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Posted By: chilli
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 12:04pm
thats the one...Big%20smile

did you like it?



Posted By: boycey
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 1:53pm
did indeed, sounded proper when standing near the bottom of the stairs Embarrassed

obviously that was after "dj redlights" had finished his  d&b set LOL

banging night all round, especially the techno, knew i should've asked louise whose rig it was Smile


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by desmondj desmondj wrote:

ok but how do we get those void drivers here in the usa without paying too much for shipping..?
Why not use the original driver the RCF p300?
makes sense and you can definitely get them in the US.


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Posted By: twinypaul
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 7:53pm

hi mike we put the celestion ftrs in the wsx and run them on vz5000 was well impressed



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Posted By: djrockstar4u
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 4:00am
We used 6 of these for a show at our club, and all I can say, honestly, these but 4 Turbosound TSW-718's to shame. The WSX put out a LOT more bass and went lower louder. If you can build this, you will not be disappointed, they are one of the best sounding cabinets i've ever heard, and I work with strictly JBL, EV, Turbosound, EAW, and Martin Audio.


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by djrockstar4u djrockstar4u wrote:

We used 6 of these for a show at our club, and all I can say, honestly, these but 4 Turbosound TSW-718's to shame. The WSX put out a LOT more bass and went lower louder.
What drivers do you use in your WSX's ?


Posted By: CHAMPION
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 4:59pm
Try them with V-1200's !!

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Posted By: jungle1993
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 8:35pm
Hi, your WSX bin photoes look pretty good! Was wondering if you stil had the cutting list that you used for these bins, would be much appreciated. Regards, joseph


Posted By: jungle1993
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 8:47pm
[QUOTE=AgentRied]Heres some photos from a project weve just finished, 2 WSX loaded with the 18 inch Void 1000.

Tested them out this weekend and gave them a good spanking, 1 clone flanked by 2 originals with 2 WC8s per stack, the void loaded ones were noticably louder and certainly held their own
 
 
Hi mate was wondering whether you had the cutting list for these truly wonderful cabinets?
Many regards, joseph oxbury


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 8:58pm
Originally posted by CHAMPION CHAMPION wrote:

Try them with V-1200's !!



Don't do that, you'll eventually blow up a very expensive driver.

V1200 cone was not designed to survive forces in a long front loaded horn. And T/S parms are not right for WSX front chamber/throat.

PD1850, V18-1000, 18sound 18LW1400, B&X 18TBX100 could be worth trying.


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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 10:02pm
so does anybody have a sensible opinion on whether the 600w cellestion ftr would work in the wsx horn? i know its only 600 rms but thats the point it wont drink amp power lol

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horn loaded for her pleasure


Posted By: chilli
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 10:29pm
pd1850's dont fit. whereas v18-1000's do. been seriously impressed with them loaded with the voids, though as paul says he's impressed with them with celestions and originally they had rcfs. the choice,as they say, is yours...


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 11:03pm
im pretty sure hes using the 1000w version of the cellestion though, was wondering how the 600w would fair in a horn loaded sub/bass aplication..........

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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 11:10pm
Originally posted by chilli chilli wrote:

the choice,as they say, is yours...


Not really, the V18-1000 is the guy, because the high BL and lowish Vas rein in the Xmax displacement at high SPL/power levels.

A few drivers will sound warmer and maybe drop deeper, but at nowhere near the SPL level attainable with the v18-1k.




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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 11:17pm
i was more thinking for lower spl but hey

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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 16 December 2008 at 1:23pm
Originally posted by twinypaul twinypaul wrote:

fabric has got them
Originally posted by Dunk Dunk wrote:

EC1M opposite Smithfiled Market in Central London.   there is a vibrating dancefloor. 
 
Anyone know if Fabric still has WSX's in 'em ? as the yearly BT X-mas do is to be held there this year as there's no more Turnmills!

Quote Known as a "bodysonic" dancefloor, sections of the floors are attached to 400 bass transducers emitting bass frequencies of the music being played, allowing clubbers to feel the music through bass frequencies transmitted into their skeletons via their feet.
 
Did this bodysonic dancefloor really work ? Is it still there ?
 


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