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Topic: Hi speaker geeks
Posted By: bassmattmatty
Subject: Hi speaker geeks
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 8:47pm

Hi everybody just thought I should make myself known, my name is Matt and I’m a fellow speaker geek.

I don’t yet own a pa system but intend to buy a line array system at some point next year mainly because I love the look of them Big smile

 

What’s a good line array system for under £30000? I’ve heard some mixed views on jbl and ev but what would you say has the upper hand? What’s the best system for under £30000?

 



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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 8:51pm
what is wrong with point of source? £30,000 would get a lot of nice void/turbo little bit of funktion one kit! very hire-able equipment too!

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Posted By: decibel audio
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 8:54pm
I WOULD GO VOID ALL THE WAY

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Posted By: tallmike
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 8:55pm
Citronic do a cracking system mate. I'll sell you one for £29,000


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 8:56pm
A point source system will never sound as good as a line array system outdoors. Just look at Glastonbury


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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 8:57pm
Originally posted by decibel audio decibel audio wrote:

I WOULD GO VOID ALL THE WAY
There line array system does look very nice Big smile


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Posted By: tallmike
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 8:58pm
** Gets hot dog, large pepsi, popcorn and some Ben & Jerry's **


Posted By: tallmike
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:00pm
** and assorted Pic n Mix, including the white chocolate mice and giant strawberries **


Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:09pm
LOL @ Mikes comments


Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:12pm
are you going to be getting main stage glastonbury business then? not being rude, but line arrays in the wrong environment sound HORRIBLE! point of source is easier to control and get dispersion right, and for £30,000 a nice big stasys system would be plenty loud enough for many an outside stage!!!

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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by decibel audio decibel audio wrote:

I WOULD GO VOID ALL THE WAY

yes, but there are other companies doing incredible sounding gear too y'know.... 


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:20pm

Stasys is too big for me as I’m only 5'3 Embarrassed which doesn't help.

Line array systems can be hung from head height with the right stands and as I said before I really like the look of them. For the record I have never heard a bad line array


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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:21pm
turbo sound, erm funktion one IMO i'm no big fan - but in all fairness their kit is in the price range and cover large outdoor crowds well, d&b, logic systems, nexo... the list goes on...

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Posted By: Peter Moller
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:22pm
It depends a *LOT* what you want to do with your linearray..

If its large scale festival shows, 30K wont get you far, but if its smallish venues you want to do, there are several contenders, but again: 30K wont get you far..

30.5K will get you:
10* JBL VRX 932 midtops
10* JBL SRX718 subs
2* flying frames ( you still need steels, safeties and a pair of chainhoists )

a popular match for this would be a pair of ampracks w:
dbx driverack 260
1* Labgruppen FP3400
2* Labgruppen FP6400

IOW you have spent about 60-65K for a rig ( flightcases, rigging and wiring included ) that will do bands for 6-700 punters with acceptable results

Theres a lot of smaller companies over here using setups like this... They arent fantastic, but they get the job done...

I have heard plenty of good reports of the linearray offerings from Void, so that may be worth a listen.. ( I am a Void dealer, so please ignore this, if you think I am biased )

Oh... and please consider if you really need a linearray to do the show, and not just need it to look cool...  Used point source cabs of pro level quality would most likely cover your needs and get you lots more value for money..
Turbosound Flashlight, Martin W8, EAW KF850 etc go for 1000-1500£ per stack and are generally much more flexible in a rental situation, and would be accepted by most guest engineers, no questions asked - this could be a problem with a MI grade VRX rig..


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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by Saul Saul wrote:

Originally posted by decibel audio decibel audio wrote:

I WOULD GO VOID ALL THE WAY

yes, but there are other companies doing incredible sounding gear too y'know.... 
 
Very true and does anybody know who did the sound for the Jazz world stage and what system it was ?


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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:22pm
how is it too big? depends on size of system you want really?

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Posted By: tallmike
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:24pm
stop feeding the troll you lot!!


Posted By: speaker monkey
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by tallmike tallmike wrote:

stop feeding the troll you lot!!


lol, thanks for the clarification mike, was about to post an outrageous rant asking if this guys was for real, haha

Tongue Ouch Wacko

monkey x

Wacko

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:28pm
Thanks Peter, some valid points there.

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by tallmike tallmike wrote:

stop feeding the troll you lot!!
Ermm


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Posted By: chunkydj
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:29pm
I will Laugh out loud if its bespoke/snekalprakeaps/timbespoke LOL

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:31pm
Peter looking back on your post how does a driverack 260 x1 Labgruppen FP3400 and x2 Labgruppen FP6400 drive x10 JBL VRX 932 midtops and x10 JBL SRX718 subs ?

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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:31pm
one way to solve this... get line array with TAS sub... how is that matt?

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Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

A point source system will never sound as good as a line array system outdoors. Just look at Glastonbury
 
 
 
 
LOL
 
 
 


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Posted By: Peter Moller
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Stasys is too big for me as I’m only 5'3 Embarrassed which doesn't help.

Line array systems can be hung from head height with the right stands and as I said before I really like the look of them. For the record I have never heard a bad line array


Linearrays are not the solution to all your problems.. trust me..

Example: Local venue, 800 punter capacity:

per side:
6* d&b Q1, 6* Q sub, 1* Q7 infill

To drive this, you need 3* D12 amps per side...

Total setup time with a 2 man crew:
15 minutes to prep rigging and hang the points
10 minutes to calculate angles etc.
10 minutes to assemble array
10 minutes to stack subs
10 minutes to tweak

An equivalent system could be 3* Floodlights + 3* TSW718 per side
This rig can be groundstacked and total setup time would be about 20 minutes with a 2 man crew..
loadin times would be drastically reduced aswell  ( unless you have to load in on a flight of stairs )
the conventional system would involve having to move a total of 12 cabinets and 2 racks.. the linearray system would involve moving 26 cabinets and 2 racks..




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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:34pm
That just my take on things and what I’ve been told by others


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Posted By: Peter Moller
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:34pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Peter looking back on your post how does a driverack 260 x1 Labgruppen FP3400 and x2 Labgruppen FP6400 drive x10 JBL VRX 932 midtops and x10 JBL SRX718 subs ?


2 ampracks each containing the stuff you mention..


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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Originally posted by Saul Saul wrote:

Originally posted by decibel audio decibel audio wrote:

I WOULD GO VOID ALL THE WAY


yes, but there are other companies doing incredible sounding gear too y'know.... 

 

Very true and does anybody know who did the sound for the Jazz world stage and what system it was ?


it was an EV line array and APR audio are the guys

http://www.apraudio.com/apr/Home.html - APR

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:37pm

Never thought about the time it takes to calculate angles. Good point



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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by Peter Moller Peter Moller wrote:

Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Peter looking back on your post how does a driverack 260 x1 Labgruppen FP3400 and x2 Labgruppen FP6400 drive x10 JBL VRX 932 midtops and x10 JBL SRX718 subs ?


2 ampracks each containing the stuff you mention..
 
LOL Silly me, thanks


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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:39pm
of course it would, I know absolutely nothing about line arrays, but what i know from point source is you need to get the right dispersion from the cabinets, and if done wrong, the sound is very uneven across the venue, and it can sound brilliant at the mix position but no where else. You need to make sure people at the back hear as well as the people at the front.

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by backlash backlash wrote:

Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Originally posted by Saul Saul wrote:

Originally posted by decibel audio decibel audio wrote:

I WOULD GO VOID ALL THE WAY


yes, but there are other companies doing incredible sounding gear too y'know.... 

 

Very true and does anybody know who did the sound for the Jazz world stage and what system it was ?


it was an EV line array and APR audio are the guys

http://www.apraudio.com/apr/Home.html - APR
 
That was the best system I’ve ever heard


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Posted By: tallmike
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:42pm
I'd like to see how long it takes for them to fly that AC/DC point source system compared to the equivalent linearray system. I'm guessing 3-4 times as much.


Posted By: speaker monkey
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:42pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

 
That was the best system I’ve ever heard


Did it look nice too?

LOL


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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:44pm
not as nice as void, BUT as I'm 6"4 the EV X array worked for me!



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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:45pm
I’m fully aware that looks is not everything but I’m sure it helps


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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

I’m fully aware that looks is not everything but I’m sure it helps
 
What's wrong with the way point source systems look?


Posted By: Peter Moller
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:51pm
Originally posted by tallmike tallmike wrote:

I'd like to see how long it takes for them to fly that AC/DC point source system compared to the equivalent linearray system. I'm guessing 3-4 times as much.


Yes - on a stadium scale, the linearray wins - the example I used was for a much smaller venue..




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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by Spesh Spesh wrote:

Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

I’m fully aware that looks is not everything but I’m sure it helps
 
What's wrong with the way point source systems look?
 
Nothing really it's just line array looks nicer


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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:57pm
IMO point sources look nicer!

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Posted By: workidz
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:57pm
youre gonna spend 30k because you like the look of it? go buy some art.

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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:58pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Originally posted by Spesh Spesh wrote:

Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

I’m fully aware that looks is not everything but I’m sure it helps
 
What's wrong with the way point source systems look?
 
Nothing really it's just line array looks nicer
 
The way a system looks should really not be a decisive factor when choosing. The only time I can think of where it would really be considered is when an installation company would be doing an install for a swanky venue.
 
You should be much more interested in response plots and real world performance.


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by workidz workidz wrote:

youre gonna spend 30k because you like the look of it? go buy some art.
Under £30000 but yes i do believe a product can help sell itself if it looks nice

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:06pm

As i mentioned before my height also means stacking 60kg+ midtops above my head isn't going to happen and limits my options.



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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

As i mentioned before my height also means stacking 60kg+ midtops above my head isn't going to happen and limits my options.

 
How are you going to load the subs into the van on your own?


Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:13pm
fair point. you want some small efficient point of source - with neo drivers ideally then! and... @ spesh - A RAMP!



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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:14pm
or a friend?

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Posted By: subbass
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:14pm
Originally posted by backlash backlash wrote:

or a friend?

oooooooooooooooo


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:15pm

i'am not a midget and like backlash said i'll use a ramp



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Posted By: Dangerclaat
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:18pm
Do you fire yourself out of canons at all?


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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:19pm
you need cabinets with wheels and venues with no stairs, or you are going to do some serious damage to your back, legs, hands and the venues walls. This is just a thought, a lot of venues I go to have stairs (lakota in december ) and even with 2 its challenging! get digital amps my friend also save on the weight!

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:31pm

I intend to take two crew with me all the time as my back is not in the best of shape anyway I suffer from arthritis.



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Posted By: speaker monkey
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:32pm
If this guy isnt a troll (which is looking more that way) Doesnt anyone else think its slightly dangerous to the industry to let this guy loose with £30k worth of system and (by the sounds of things) not a clue?


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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:35pm
if you have crew you can get mid tops high enough! job done - get point of source rig - end of discussion!


this is beginning to become very hard work!

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by speaker monkey speaker monkey wrote:

If this guy isnt a troll (which is looking more that way) Doesnt anyone else think its slightly dangerous to the industry to let this guy loose with £30k worth of system and (by the sounds of things) not a clue?
 
So i shouldn't have a system because im short?


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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:39pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Originally posted by speaker monkey speaker monkey wrote:

If this guy isnt a troll (which is looking more that way) Doesnt anyone else think its slightly dangerous to the industry to let this guy loose with £30k worth of system and (by the sounds of things) not a clue?
 
So i shouldn't have a system because im short?
 
LOLLOLLOLLOL
 
ClapClapClapClap
 
 
That's brilliant


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:41pm
Originally posted by backlash backlash wrote:

if you have crew you can get mid tops high enough! job done - get point of source rig - end of discussion!


this is beginning to become very hard work!
 
Yes but as i said before i have my heart set on a line array system.


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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:42pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Originally posted by backlash backlash wrote:

if you have crew you can get mid tops high enough! job done - get point of source rig - end of discussion!


this is beginning to become very hard work!
 
Yes but as i said before i have my heart set on a line array system.
 
How can you have your heart set on something you know nothing about?


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:51pm
I've read loads of topics on line array systems and you have only got to look at all the big events to see them being used day in day out world wide.

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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:54pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

you have only got to look at all the big events to see them being used day in day out world wide.
 
This doesn't exactly demonstrate good understanding of the reasons behind using a line array system.


Posted By: Phil B
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:54pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

I've read loads of topics on line array systems and you have only got to look at all the big events to see them being used day in day out world wide.


No doggy poo sherlock

You can have all the best toys...... and no-one to play them to if you have no clients?

Where will you be airing your new toys..?

.p.



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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:58pm
line arrays are used for a good reason - to cover VERY large areas! talking thousands. I believe in larger indoor venues they are hard to get right. As i said I know little about them.

Say you just had your first driving lesson, would you go out and buy a porshe and insure it and wack L plates on it? or buy something more suited? Like a corsa/fiesta

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Posted By: Peter Moller
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:


 
Yes but as i said before i have my heart set on a line array system.


I dont mean to offend anyone, but you sound exactly like the mobile DJs here who call themselves production companies.. Yes, some of them may have a linearray system, some may even have digital desks, but common for 95% of them is that they have no clue..

if you want a linearray, you need to spend quite a chunk more cash if you want to get something as rider friendly and powerful as a pile of Martin W8, Turbo Flash/flood etc.

30K of JBL VRX will get you into hotel ballrooms w. coverbands
300K of d&b will get you into the same ballrooms w. big name acts
30K of used Floodlights or W8 will get you the same ballrooms w. cover bands - AND the ability to do much larger gigs, or more gigs at a time..

The issue you mention about lifting heavy cabinets is not a problem.. Most promoters will offer some volunteer hands to help at loadin and loadout.. - Its just a matter of putting it in the contract..

Another issue if you go the linearray route:
Your get a call for a rig to go in the local venue...  The usual guy does the show w. 1 stack of W8 per side, groundstacked..

to get the same SPL you need 3* VRX932 per side.. IOW you have to bring in 6 cabs per side, a pair of *large* towerstands - or go in the roof and rig some points...   I am guessing that you save atleast 30 minutes and a fair chunk of truck space by going with a conventional system..

On top of that, there are many venues where a linearray rig just wouldnt work...



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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:01pm

I intend advertise loads and use social networking sites to boost hires.



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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:03pm
By the sound of things, i'm not sure you should be spending any money on any equipment. This sounds like a recipe for disaster


Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:04pm
let us know when you get this line array and every one of us will come out in support, right guys?

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:05pm
I'am sure d&b doesn't cost 300k

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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:06pm
if you buy enough of it

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Posted By: Phil B
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:07pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

I'am sure d&b doesn't cost 300k


Think again... for a decent size system for 5000 plus people you`ll not get much change from 300k.

.p.

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Posted By: S DeXter
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:09pm


You cant say that doesn't look nice.....




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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:09pm
I want 8 cabinets a side with 6 bass bins a side all the amps and XTA gear for just under £30000 which i'am sure can be done even if i have to buy used like peter said.

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:12pm
Funktion one only works for dance music and wont do rock n roll which is what i also intend on doing.

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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:14pm

Do you actually have any experience running  sound systems at all?



Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:15pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Funktion one only works for dance music and wont do rock n roll which is what i also intend on doing.
 
I would love to see the look on Tony Andrews face when you tell him that.


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:16pm
Yes and worked building a few as well so i know what goes on inside.

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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:16pm
What systems do you have experience with?


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:17pm
Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Funktion one only works for dance music and wont do rock n roll which is what i also intend on doing.
 
I would love to see the look on Tony Andrews face when you tell him that.
 
One word
 
Glastonbury LOL


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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:18pm
Originally posted by Spesh Spesh wrote:

What systems do you have experience with?
 
Jbl
rcf
nexo
martin
turbosound


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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:19pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Funktion one only works for dance music and wont do rock n roll which is what i also intend on doing.
 
I would love to see the look on Tony Andrews face when you tell him that.
 
One word
 
Glastonbury LOL
 
Oh yes, you're quite right. That would surely make him re-consider his views on point source systems


Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:21pm
This is more entertaining than watching the Smurfs on X Factor on Sunday night.


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:23pm
Look at all the pro's out there, there all using line array systems not point source systems

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Posted By: fat_brstd
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:25pm
Matt im sorry but your plan is basicly a no go from the start. Do you understand what a crossover is and how you use them? How about delays and time alignment? Do you know how to use a mixing desk to get the best out a band? How about compressors, gates, limiters etc?

Line array looks nice, and sound nice if your doing glastonbury and good systems cost a hell of a lot of money. 30K is not a lot in terms of big sound systems. for 30K you could not get a good line array and cables and a desk and storage and insurance and amps and processing. Its not possible.

I think you need to seriously sit down and work out a buisness plan because that sort of money can be used to buy some very nice kit if you go second hand and know what you are talking about when you go to buy it.

Frankly you sound like your the sort of guy who would end up paying list price for stuff because "thats what they cost". You need to work out what sort of venues and crowd sizes you will be aiming to cover. then go and see what others use to do this and then see how much it would cost to get a rig of the same size Once you have done this then maybe you will realise that its not just as simple and buy some stuff, plug it in and hey presto it sounds great. There is a hell of a lot more to it than that.

30k might get you the moniter system they use on the main stage at glasto if your lucky.


Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Look at all the pro's out there, there all using line array systems not point source systems
 
I know.
 
There are few things the "pro's" hate more than those nasty FK1 point source systems.


Posted By: jamwa
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:28pm

Sorry mate but I hope you have good PPe as starting your first post as speaker geeks is heading you for a whole heap of whoop ass....

tell you what keep your £30k in your back pocket - advertise that you can supply see what come back you get. and hire in for now. then "when you become an overnight success and take all our work away you can go out and get your "big rig" but please will you give me some work as I will be skint and I have a wife and two kids to feed. I think I will struggle as I have only been in the Industry for 15 years and built up a reputation over this period to where I have got today. I can tell from your previous posts James Kahn and the rest of the dragons will be banging on your door for a piece of the pie.
 
Seriously
get yourself a complete little rig of stackable cabs a nice FOH set up and spend a couple of thou, to do a few hundred people develop a reputation and build yourself up from there. otherwise you will have a load of kit getting rusty, going nowhere and burning a large hole in your arse....
 
 


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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:31pm
VOID!

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:33pm
I know what crossover overs are thanks and i can set up most compressors, gates, limiters without any problems so i'am ok there.
 
Like i said a line array system will sell itself and i've only got to do 40 jobs at £750 a night to get my money back. It's all about having the money in the first place


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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:34pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty 
<DIV>Like i said a line array system will sell itself and i've only got to do 40 jobs at £750 a night to get my money back. It's all about having the money in the first place<BR></DIV>[/QUOTE bassmattmatty 
Like i said a line array system will sell itself and i've only got to do 40 jobs at £750 a night to get my money back. It's all about having the money in the first place
[/QUOTE wrote:


 
n00b
 
n00b


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:36pm
Why ?

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Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:41pm
Because you clearly haven't thought any of this through.


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:44pm

Well i think i have Spesh, do you own a system ?



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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:44pm
40 nights? that is 1 a week for a year... and that is if you get a gig EVERY week...

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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Look at all the pro's out there, there all using line array systems not point source systems
 
You had better tell AC/DC about your vast experience with line arrays, as they really could do with some advice on what to use on their current world tour.


Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Well i think i have Spesh, do you own a system ?

 
Yes I do


Posted By: jamwa
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:47pm
okay and when a driver blows what do you do
you need to transport the kit
insure the kit
maintain the kit
advertise the kit
 
 
but if you dont have the reputation and relationships why would people trust a very important event with joe bloggs and some very nice kit.
 
I understand what you are saying but people have tried this and suffered greatly in the past.
 
look at all the long standing sound companies and what you they all have in common they offer a reliable cost effective service and have a good reputation, history, and years and years of experience....
 
Take Rog for isntance (hope you dont mind old Golden Cock!) he started of with selling speaker designs getting a rep from that designing and building a few cabs and from that he has grown (gradually) learn to walk before you run.... this isnt a piss taking excuse just hate to see people wast good money.
 
and yes Martin long bow line array or D&B J Series any day of the week over harsh FK1 or TS - That'll sturr the pooh up a bit!!!! but I dont think you have got a few hundred K to invest so Glastonbury is a few years away yet me thinks...


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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:50pm
Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Look at all the pro's out there, there all using line array systems not point source systems
 
You had better tell AC/DC about your vast experience with line arrays, as they really could do with some advice on what to use on their current world tour.
 
Well AC/DC is old hat really and probably like odd school systems not saying it doesn't sound good but wont sound like a line array.
 
Have you ever used a line array Robbo ?


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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:52pm
Jamwa blowing driver can be stopped by good limiters Wink

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Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:53pm
Originally posted by Spesh Spesh wrote:

Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Well i think i have Spesh, do you own a system ?

 
Yes I do
 
Did you make it ?


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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:55pm
Yes----I have used most of the industry standard line arrays and I still haven't found one that works well on a breezy day outdoors------More to the point--HAVE YOU EVER USED A LINE ARRAY SYSTEM?


Posted By: Spesh
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:56pm
Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Originally posted by Spesh Spesh wrote:

Originally posted by bassmattmatty bassmattmatty wrote:

Well i think i have Spesh, do you own a system ?

 
Yes I do
 
Did you make it ?
 
Some parts I made, others I bought.


Posted By: bassmattmatty
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:59pm
I have used a small jbl line array system which got me fixed. Only problem was rigging the tops.
If you know what your doing it doesn't matter if its breezy outside Wink theres a few tricks which the pros know all about.


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