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186 with Omega Pro

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Topic: 186 with Omega Pro
Posted By: RoadRanger
Subject: 186 with Omega Pro
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 6:56pm
I'm buying a pair of 186's loaded with 4 ohm Omega Pros and I see they aren't well liked here. Has anyone looked at the response of this combination and/or can tell me what's so bad about them? I'm hoping these have about the same output 50-125hz as a 2x18 front loaded cabinet but only need one half the power - does that sound reasonable? Thanks!



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Posted By: hmaudio
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 7:03pm
For the same price you would pay for a pair of omega pros (new) you could get a decent pair of secong hand drivers on hear in the for sale section.

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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by hmaudio hmaudio wrote:

For the same price you would pay for a pair of omega pros (new) you could get a decent pair of secong hand drivers on hear in the for sale section.


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Posted By: djshaney
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 7:22pm
in other words... build your own/buy them unloaded if possible, and load them properly!
 
many a lesson learnt myself by buying stuff that "should be ok", dont do it
 
'buy rubbish, buy twice...'


Posted By: RoadRanger
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 7:37pm
Originally posted by hmaudio hmaudio wrote:

For the same price you would pay for a pair of omega pros (new) you could get a decent pair of secong hand drivers on hear in the for sale section.
You misunderstand - I'm buying a used pair of the 186 cabinets already loaded with the Omega Pro drivers for 400USD total Smile.


Posted By: RoadRanger
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 7:40pm
Originally posted by djshaney djshaney wrote:

in other words... build your own/buy them unloaded if possible, and load them properly! Many a lesson learnt myself by buying stuff that "should be ok", dont do it
None of that answers my question as to what's bad about them Confused.


Posted By: djshaney
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 7:44pm
basically, there are just not as well built as different brands, such as pd's
 
whats the difference between a ford fiesta and a bmw? both have 4 wheels and an engine... but you see what im talking about


Posted By: djshaney
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 7:45pm
oh and also, the box was designed for the pd186. so obviously will work better with that driver than any other


Posted By: RoadRanger
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 7:55pm
So, none of yous guys actually has any experience with the box loaded with the Omega Pro? I was hoping to read what equalization it needs or that it only goes down to "X"hz or something useful like that. As I stated I'm only expecting it to be as loud as a 2x18 front loaded cab in the 50-125hz range. I do not need them to take a huge amount of power or be super flat. I have found 1978 vintage Cerwin Vega bass bins to be usable in the past and these can't be as bad as those I think Shocked.


Posted By: djshaney
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 9:15pm
true that. although, everyone on here generally wants it to ound as good as possible LOL me included...
 
but seriously. if you dont buy the cabs you wanted to... build your own and source 2x second hand pd186... you could defo to that for less then £300/$400 if you know where to look


Posted By: RoadRanger
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 9:26pm
Originally posted by djshaney djshaney wrote:

but seriously. if you dont buy the cabs you wanted to... build your own and source 2x second hand pd186... you could defo to that for less then £300/$400 if you know where to look
Supposedly these cabs were built by a cabinet shop and I'd think they are worth the $200 each even without the drivers? I'm only going to be powering them at 750w each and will HPF them at 45 or 50hz to keep them from getting muddy like horns do when fed stuff below their cutoff Smile. The seller was driving them at 1200w each.


Posted By: DjMidKnight
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 10:12pm
roadranger i assume you are in the USA, they will work and thats a fairly decent deal on those since you would spend around 100-120usd on materials to build them yourself and someone else has allready built them. the omega pros are not very good driver but you can swap them later.750w a bit much for those drivers but if you keep an eye on it should be ok.

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Posted By: RoadRanger
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 10:19pm
Originally posted by DjMidKnight DjMidKnight wrote:

750w a bit much for those drivers but if you keep an eye on it should be ok.
They are 800wrms drivers so I wouldn't think a 750w amp would come close to hurting them? The seller was using an XTI4000 (1200w/ch @ 4 ohms) and even that is well below their program rating of 1600w.


Posted By: DjMidKnight
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 10:48pm
something you will learn very quickly on this forum is that power ratings of drivers means nothing. that is a thermal limit not an operational limit. every speaker will respond differently in different enclosures and excursion can easily be exceded well under the RMS rating. anyways like i said it should be ok, dont expect the drivers to hold up for to long under those conditions. 

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Posted By: RoadRanger
Date Posted: 19 December 2009 at 10:10pm
OK, well what HPF and power should I run these cabs at? Xmech is supposed to be 18mm


Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 19 December 2009 at 10:19pm
My friends regulary fried Omega 18s in Cerwin Vega L36s. They used 2 cabs per EP2500 in 4ohm bridge. Never clipped them.



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