X-tro or EAW KF850?
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Forum Name: Punisher and X-tro
Forum Description: Discussion / Questions about the Punisher and X-tro
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Topic: X-tro or EAW KF850?
Posted By: Marvin
Subject: X-tro or EAW KF850?
Date Posted: 30 December 2009 at 4:51pm
| Has anyone used or heard both? what are the pros and cons off each cab? cheers |
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Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 30 December 2009 at 5:03pm
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One is a pro built cabinet and will sound nicer than the other - fact!
I'm not an amazing fan of the xtro, they are loud but I think the kick can sound a bit one toney at times. ------------- According to suicide statistics, Monday is the favored day for self-destruction. http://www.truesoundhire.co.uk/" rel="nofollow - Sound Hire |
Posted By: Marvin
Date Posted: 30 December 2009 at 5:21pm
| cheers Anyone else? |
Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: 30 December 2009 at 6:41pm
| Purely from looking at specs, I guess EAW will have a slightly better integrated midrange. The xtro does away with the phase plug complexity and sacrifices some midrange refinement in favour of being able to push slightly further at the limits of its bandwidth. Xtro will give more sensitivity in the low kick region and a smoother response above 7khz. I haven't heard either cab though! |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 30 December 2009 at 6:42pm
| Are you looking to hire the rig? Get the EAW if so. |
Posted By: Marvin
Date Posted: 30 December 2009 at 6:59pm
| I am not but a mate off mine is interested in both and asked my feedback on them. I didnt want to seem bias as i have only used and heard the EAW's |
Posted By: PauliePaul
Date Posted: 30 December 2009 at 7:42pm
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Not had any dealings with the X-tro, but.... I did own 8 stacks of KF850, superb smooth sounding boxes, not harsh in any way, but they need to be powered correctly to get the best out of them. As i've previously posted, on the advice of EAW we had two boxes per channel on the following amps; Comps - Crown MA2400, Mids - MA3600VZ and Bass - MA5000VZ. Another plus point is that the KF850's are full range. The SB850's were a little disappointing, EAW put this down to the boxes being underpowered as we were running them 1 box per channel on MA5000VZ's. Only problem in my opinion is the weight, my gosh the boxes are heavy and the handles all point the wrong way.....!! The KF850 set was purchased primarily due to it's 'rider friendly' reputation, virtually every rider i've ever dealt with has had the KF850 named on it. |
Posted By: backlash
Date Posted: 30 December 2009 at 8:04pm
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Kf850 purely for the reason of paul - very hireable and will sound much better than the X-tro! ------------- According to suicide statistics, Monday is the favored day for self-destruction. http://www.truesoundhire.co.uk/" rel="nofollow - Sound Hire |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 30 December 2009 at 9:29pm
Have heard the Xtro now, and reckon it would be a winner if loaded with 12" driver, instead of 8". Just as everyone told me, the 8" just doesn't keep up with 2x15s under pressure. Do trap versions of TMS-2s exist? That is my dream Mid top. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
backlash wrote:Posted By: Phil B
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 11:48pm
Aye... F1 Res 2 ! .p. ------------- Mostly harmless.... except if catering is shut. Solar Sound System Shennanigans.. http://diyhifi.biz/" rel="nofollow - http://diyhifi.biz/ |
Posted By: Marvin
Date Posted: 01 January 2010 at 12:01am
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dont think the guy wants to be modding cabs and experimenting. He just has the options for either cabs as they are and wants to know which to go for. What is the weight off the xtro roughly??
p.s Happy New year to all
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Posted By: Autograff
Date Posted: 01 January 2010 at 7:45pm
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Not heard the EAW's , personally think Xtro's sound amazing , XT8 horn keeps the 8" in check , and i hear with the right 15"s you can cross them alittle higher to take some stress from the 8". ------------- Liquid_Steel_Sessions R8 Records |
Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 2:22pm
been usin 4 of the eaws latly in a install and they sounded wicked ,take a little setting up but worth it all day keep up with 6 1850 scoops at full tilt and yes they are horrible to move around worst than the mx600s (ass) and that really is something!!!!!------------- TRENDSETTER SOUND SYSTEM |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 04 January 2010 at 3:55am
------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 10:08am
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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 10:28am
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Xtro can play very flat with no EQ. The biggest adjustment was +4db an 2.5khz with the original wooden horn. now with the XT8 this is unecessary- so if you can get an XT8 or something similar, it's definately a good idea. then just tweak the eq to your taste. the 15" is imo pretty smooth, and very musical and incredibly loud when given a good lump of power - i.e. 1500w+. the one thing i will add however, is the array angle is very important here - They dont sound quite so amazing when flat side by side for obvious reasons. spread them by 30 or 40 degrees and they will sing! Very impressed for a DIY plan. 100 points for Walt! EAW i imagine will sound amzing - i've probably heard them in a local venue which i know has EAW - but what is the cost? |
Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 10:37am
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I also think the 15" section could crossed lower. Excusion is minimal, and response sound fine with a 75-80hz xover. (by ear) maybe a HR sim would be useful to demonstrate... or not - ive never simmed it in HR... but then HR isnt always accurate.
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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 1:14pm
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here you go people: XTRO HR DATA for the 15" section(s) REAR CHAMBER = 71.39 litres FRONT CHAMBERS - top = 13.17 litres bottom = 13.1 litres TOP HORN - volumes DO NOT take loaded drivers into account (please adjust accordingly) S1 = 673.04 cm^2 con - 21.85 cm S2 = 893 cm^2 con - 23.66 cm S3 = 1151.5 cm^2 horn data could be rounded to equal each other BOTTOM HORN - S1 = 678.54 cm^2 con - 21.22 cm S2 = 898.17 cm^2 con - 22.67 cm S3 = 1151.5 cm^2 |