The new ASS R2U system.
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Topic: The new ASS R2U system.
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Subject: The new ASS R2U system.
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 10:40pm
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Here's some pics of the new system. to get some perspective on height. I have used a 5'10" measuring stick called tom. As you can see, it's a ground stack, with two or more ways of doing it. My initial thought was the tall stack, which, as it happens, will be the size if upper bass and mid hi cabs are placed on RX18's. The shorter stack will be useful for any height restrictions. The short stack took me and tom, to place in position, and a third person to do the tall one. although, two taller people could manage it, I guess. All speakers are Neo. For PA for live music, I would probably go for one sub and two upper bass cabs. Testing has yet to done. http://img64.imageshack.us/i/dscf0305o.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us http://img842.imageshack.us/i/dscf0308w.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us http://img844.imageshack.us/i/dscf0309.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dscf0310y.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us http://img689.imageshack.us/i/dscf0331n.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us http://img338.imageshack.us/i/dscf0341a.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us http://img825.imageshack.us/i/dscf0342k.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
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Posted By: JohnnyPyro
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 10:44pm
great looking cabs Tony .. 1"? you could have tried to get the quick fit fitter to smile .. helps with sales  ------------- Pyrotechnics... its not rocket science, well.... actually it is !! :o) Powered by MC2 & XTA |
Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 10:49pm
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Is the kick cab deeper than the sub? ------------- It just is. |
Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 10:49pm
 nice ------------- DMZ. "The bass was intense. Girls were literally running up to stand next to the subs" |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 10:52pm
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He's neutral, neither one way or the other. Looking at the last photo, the cabs seem to be uneven at the back. All cabs are flush at the back, it's the angle on the RXjnr's and the angle on the top cabs make it appear like that. All cabs are the same depth. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: imageoven
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 10:59pm
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Looks great, very tidy. I presume it's a 15" in the folded horn? R2D2 |
Posted By: RiddimKid
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 11:02pm
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Posted By: Speaker Sol
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 11:14pm
| Really Really, nice. Top work, I would truly love to have that in my sitting room right now. |
Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 11:17pm
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great looking system Tony, good to see you putting your talents to good use i look forward to hearing it! - let me know if you plan on doing any demos, i might just have to take a spin over to you!
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Posted By: Louder than loud
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 11:28pm
| Would be good to hear this ! |
Posted By: KingShadow
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 11:40pm
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Very nice ! |
Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 11:47pm
Brilliant stuff! Big ASS revival!  I like the oldschool design similarities to the old 2x12" concert modular system of the mid hi cabs! ...though no phase plugs or things like this? |
Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:08am
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I got a bit emotional over this. Looking amazing! Too bad I probably won't going to ever hear it  |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:30am
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Regarding hearing the system and demos, I intend the system to be used in a gig situation. Once the amps and front end are complete, the system will be available for anyone who wants to try it. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:36am
Just a point on the phase plugs, there are many reasons why I haven't done a system since the Reflekta cabs. Components became available to give me a new slant on the sound. The 2x12 mids are crossed over at 600 hz into the top which is a co axil driver, there is no need for a phase plug. I've only ever made them to get more hf out of the mids. In this case they're not needed. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Ibex wrote:Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 6:55am
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very Nice Tony, very old school looking, love it love the dispersion of the mid and top horn, both spot on with each other, what about splaying them side by side, gap in the middle? I suppose you wouldn't need to stacks anyway, should be plenty loud, would love to hear the coax unit didn't realize the scale of it until I saw the guy standing there, pictures download at a snails pace here about finishing, time and time again peeps asking about how much a cab is without seeing any.........yeah but joe blogs down the road can do a mini for $___ ...........now look at Tonys paint job, paint as thick as you like, same as my cabs it's all about the finishing guys, paint would end up being the most expensive material if done properly ------------- BbbBBRAAAAPppBBBBbgushhhhhhhhssshhhhhGrAbRAAAAAAPPPPPp = Dubstep |
Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 6:58am
unless it's a mannequin? ------------- BbbBBRAAAAPppBBBBbgushhhhhhhhssshhhhhGrAbRAAAAAAPPPPPp = Dubstep |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 8:59am
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Regarding dispersion, I made the cabs to look parallel from the front but the top cab is angled so that when there are two or more stacks together the top cabs can be angled and remain flush at the sides. The internals of the cabs have determined the shape of of everything. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:42am
I didn't notice that the compression driver is a coaxial system, which makes it possible to cross it over to the 2x12" at such a low frequency... There are several new outcoming designs which make use of such coaxial compression drivers. I wonder how the 2" units of the new coax compression drivers are sounding, due to most people classify the formerly used 2inch compression drivers a little bit harsh in sound. But I feel confident that there is a good reason why tony is using them and there is no need to worry about. ...I hope it's not just a weight and size issue? btw, the new RX18jnr's scoops are too cute, I like it! |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:55am
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The lower half of the compression driver is a 5"cone, it's probably the same on other makes of co-axil drivers. I just like the idea of not having to try and force the hi end out of a 12. These drivers are very smooth. The whole system is Neo, and I'm glad I can justify using these bits without compromise on performance. The 12's are bass mid speakers which make the lower part of the mid warmer than out of a dedicated mid. I probably took as long in thinking about the components as I did building the system. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 10:50am
| You should do a version that has 4 of the top and mid cabs made as a single, awkwardly wide unit and claim it's a revolutionary design, then launch it at PLASA. |
Posted By: ras i
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:08pm
| Tony, would there be any need for extra tweeter box on top for those that like a little extra chips, or would these be sufficient? |
Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:35pm
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ras i I take it you didn't notice the 2" driver being coaxial. It has modern 1" driver mounted into the throat of 2" driver with smoothly RISING response until 16khz or so...
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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:35pm
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PROPER JOB!!
really nice looking system tony, looks like alot of thought has gone into it,
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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:45pm
Great, you utilized a 5inch coaxial cone driver like tom did in his SM-60, though yours drives a smaller horn. The more details we get, the more I like your new stuff!
Are frequency intermodulation distortions such as the doppler effect the reason why you don't want to force the hi end out of front loaded 12" drivers? How low do you go with the 2x12? Would it be possible to leave the 15inch kick section? |
Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:48pm
pfly, you didn't notice that the 2" driver is in reality a 5inch cone driver with a 1" compression driver mounted in the center... |
Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:54pm
I did notice, but I usually refer to compression driver throat sizes.  |
Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:58pm
Cool, I just wanted to let you know so you don't miss a thing...  edit: I just noticed after a bit of research that I didn't recognized that we are talking about a closed compression driver system consisting of a 5" cone with a 2" voice coil firing thu a 2" throat, not like the one without a compression chamber in front and no sealed back chamber... |
Posted By: ras i
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 1:18pm
| So I take it that means they wont need extra bullets like the MT502's |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 2:02pm
All those year of building and shifting tons of speaker cabinets have worked wonders Tony,you look 30 years younger! ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: rich, ind.st
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 2:26pm
 ------------- music is god |
Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 4:10pm
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Posted By: AUDIO HABIT
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 7:43pm
woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow thats all i can say  ------------- https://www.facebook.com/fxstageproductions |
Posted By: S DeXter
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 7:53pm
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Impressive stuff Tony. What is the kick cab? A 15" neo? Where does it cross over.....? ------------- Enjoy your self...... It's later than you think....... |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 8:24pm
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The speaker used is the B and C 15NW76. It will go into the mid at around 120hz. In the next day or so I will be time aligning the system, and then I will tweak the settings until I'm happy. As always with my systems, the Sub is overlapped with the bass. So the Sub will probably go to 80 or90 and the bass cab will come at at 50hz The speaker handles 600 watts and is 100.5db sensitivity, without the horn in front. It will be enough over the two subs. I chose this particular speaker because the 3" coil will make it faster than a 4" and the response will be sharper. My biggest fear was that it wouldn't be as good as the old BS500, but it exceeds it by a small margin, so I'm happy with that. All the components used in the system are standard off the shelf speakers, so spares won't be a problem and they won't cost an arm and a leg like some with special badges on. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 8:43pm
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Here's a little more info. The pics show that the backs are flush. another pic shows the brackets that hold the horn in place. These are aluminum. The usual socket plate with 8 and 4 way connectors and the adjustable angle cabs that I started with when designing the 2x12 mid section. I made these to discover whether or not there was an optimum angle for two speakers together regarding phase. I discovered that from flat, round to quite an acute angle, didn't make any difference in response. From that I assumed I could then pick my own angle that would suit the mechanics of the box. http://img28.imageshack.us/i/dscf0355y.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us http://img339.imageshack.us/i/dscf0357k.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us http://img695.imageshack.us/i/dscf0358s.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us http://img825.imageshack.us/i/dscf0359m.jpg/">  Uploaded with http://imageshack.us - ImageShack.us ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 8:48pm
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It's so hard to stay away from sound once it's in your blood init? So glad you've still got that magic Tony, Your system looks amazing! I can only imagine how good it's going to sound! ------------- Never criticise another man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Once you have, call him what you like, you're a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 8:57pm
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Thanks colin, I'm looking forward to doing the rounds with it. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:07pm
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A word about tweeters. For a PA system, probably not, but for those used to tweeters, a box can be added. Although this system responds high enough, when done properly, tweeters can add ambience to an image. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: dmx256
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:25pm
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Tony, dont know if you need it, but I know a man who is absolutely amazing with SIA Smaart, worked wonders on my rigs and some major EAW rigs - pm me if you need his details.
New System looks amazing. Welcome Back! I, like many others on here, learned our trade using ASS speakers in clubs up and down the country. ------------- Logic System XTA EAW MC2 Robe Anytronics Futurelight Trilite Tas and a wife.... |
Posted By: Rockin
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:30pm
Too right  Well done Tony. Your cabs and work are legendary. Would love to here the new system |
Posted By: VentureSound
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:51pm
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Is it just my eyes Tony, or has the top horn got asymmetric vertical dispersion (try saying that when you're pissed), i.e points more downwards than up? |
Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 10:10pm
i beleive this was chatted bout on FSP
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Posted By: ras i
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 10:32pm
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Tony, would there be any need for extra tweeter box on top for those that like a little extra chips, or would these be sufficient?
I think I now need to go see the bank manager
oh yea! and a devorce lawyer
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Posted By: QSS
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 11:09pm
NNNNNNiiiiiiiiice 
Hey Tony. Do you do trade in's  ------------- "Music is life" |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 11:34pm
Thanks for the offer, but I've got lots of stuff gained over the years, all I use at the moment is my Iasys machine. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 11:41pm
Yes mate, the horn is asymmetric. It's the second horn I've done like this, the first being the MX900 horn. With a ground stack I have never seen the point of sending half of the vertical dispersion disappearing into space. It is a 60 degree horizontal horn with 10 degrees at the top and 30 at the bottom. My idea is to put more on axis sound towards peoples ears. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 11:42pm
I wouldn't know what do with your old Granny. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: QSS
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 12:02am
 ------------- "Music is life" |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 12:19am
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nice stack QSS
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Posted By: djgorey
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 6:34am
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My next rig. Absolutely gorgous and I bet it sounds even better. ------------- Gaffa tape is like the force in Star Wars - there's a dark side and a light side and it holds the universe together |
Posted By: QSS
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 7:53am
Just imagine what a couple stacks like this of the R2U System would look and sound like.  ------------- "Music is life" |
Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 8:01am
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Does R2U stand for Rossell 2 U?
If so I think you should start a courier company Stu ------------- All you need to know is: Sensitivity + Power Handling - Power Compression = Max Output My acts: www.myspace.com/thebowiexperience www.myspace.com/scheisseelektronisches |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 8:26am
QSS, we never miss your system at Bristol carnival & still sounding fantastic as over the previous years!
Tony, when/where could your new R2U System be heard?
------------- **Heavy Weight-Line** A home without books is like a body with no soul. |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 8:48am
Very good Stu, I never saw that one. R2U stands for Rapid Response Unit. I had a previous little all in one cab with this name, but I only made about 4 sets before I semi retired. So, I thought I may as well use the name again. We all like to tags on things, and using this again saved sleepless nights trying to come up with yet another name. Tek. I will be arranging demos here in Southend. I have a choice of Venues, but it needs to be organized yet. As said previously, I will be making this system available to anyone who's interested. So gigs can be done, Transport would have to be sorted, but the rest including me would be free. I've just got the last bit of sorting out to do with Andy at Matrix for the Amps, and then we'll be Rocking. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 8:52am
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OK Tony! ------------- **Heavy Weight-Line** A home without books is like a body with no soul. |
Posted By: QSS
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 9:00am
Hey Tony would that be possible? ------------- "Music is life" |
Posted By: goliath
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 9:14am
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Brilliant Tony. Very interested in your new system and would love the opportunity to come and hear it when everything's ready. I could also bring van if needed. |
Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 9:35am
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Good to see an entire British built system out there. ASS and Matrix ..... just says to me that British manufacture is still of the best quality. Stu ------------- All you need to know is: Sensitivity + Power Handling - Power Compression = Max Output My acts: www.myspace.com/thebowiexperience www.myspace.com/scheisseelektronisches |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 9:50am
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QSS, is it your system at the next Rice 'N' peas sound check on 31st Oct? ------------- **Heavy Weight-Line** A home without books is like a body with no soul. |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 10:02am
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QSS anything is possible. Stu. The British Matrix thing did come into the plan, but it still had to be justified. It's a pity all the speakers have to be Italian, well they don't have to be, but at least they're not Chinese. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 10:05am
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Tony have you looked at BMS coaxial offerings? http://bmsspeakers.com/cone-speaker-compression-driver/neodymium-compression-drivers/bms-2-inch-compression-driver/bms-4592nd-compression-driver/4592nd-coaxial-introduction/ - http://bmsspeakers.com/cone-speaker-compression-driver/neodymium-compression-drivers/bms-2-inch-compression-driver/bms-4592nd-compression-driver/4592nd-coaxial-introduction/ I'm not too sure which one is "worse", Italian or German |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 10:18am
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Before a project, I usually research everything. When you manufacture in numbers like I have done in the past. As well as performance, you have to have reliability, and a good relationship with the suppliers. I am very lucky in this respect. B and C speakers still tick all the boxes for me at the moment. Although this system is B and C throughout, if something really better comes along that would suit the cabs, then I have to seriously take a look. In the end, whatever speakers or amps get used, If i switch on, turn up and put a smile on people's faces, then I've cracked it. That's all that matters really. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 10:23am
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You should perhaps invite Tony Wilkes over with couple of those BMS jobbies. There's quite interesting pictures posted by Heathrow here: http://forum.speakerplans.com/f412m-as-promised_topic40322.html#408075 - http://forum.speakerplans.com/f412m-as-promised_topic40322.html#408075 |
Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 3:26pm
Tony, what's the width and depth (without casors) of the tall stack / hight and depth (without castors) of the RX18jnr's? btw, what happened to your 15inch kick bin to sit on top of a RX18? http://img192.imageshack.us/i/img0534l.jpg/ - http://img192.imageshack.us/i/img0534l.jpg/ |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 6:20pm
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Cab Dimensions. RXjnr standing up 35" high 25"wide 30" deep. So the whole system is based on putting the rxjnr on its side. The bass and mid high cab are the same size apart from the angle on the md hi. As you look at the stack, the subs are 35" wide and 25" high. The bass and mid cabs are 22" high. The bass and mid cab will have 12mm runners (the subs already have them adding 12mm to the height.) added so total height of the system (tall tack) will be exactly 8 feet. or 2.238 meters if you prefer. Regarding the 15" cab that was to go on top of the RX18, in the end I wasn't impressed. The cab was good, but only as good as other stuff i've done over the years, and it was really heavy. In the end I chopped it up and put it in the skip. I was looking for improvement, so I went back to my tried and tested formula that I've used with BS500 BS600 etc. The new cab is an improved version of that. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Nitz V1505
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 6:24pm
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Tony have you plugged the set into your Harrison amps yet ? ------------- LET THE BASS ROLL LIKE THUNDER & THE TOPS LIKE LIGHTNING..... |
Posted By: project 1
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 6:29pm
| Which B & C 12'' in the mid hi cab? |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 6:33pm
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I've only used the amps for running pink noise through while I'm measuring everything. I'm waiting for the Matrix amps before the rig really gets it. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 6:34pm
The whole rig is B and C and the 12's are the 12NDL76 ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: project 1
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 6:48pm
Cheers |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 8:57am
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It's a good day today, Matt is turning up with all the Matrix models for testing, I've never seen one in the metal before, so after today, hopefully, I'll have an informed opinion. The subs will be the real test. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: jonminns
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 9:59am
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Let us know how it goes, let's have some pictures/video! ------------- 4 ohms is for wimps |
Posted By: QSS
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 1:45pm
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^ ------------- "Music is life" |
Posted By: Marvin
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 9:13pm
| nice looking quality builds Tony . similar conept to what i have coming soon. Seem the mini scoop/ large reflex boxes are dominating the market now as people seem to prefer the portabilty and performance. 25" wide though eliminates certain home storage solutions though. As i know alot off people store equipment in their houses or have to come through the front doors to store at the back etc |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:05am
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Hi Marv. 25" will go through any standard door back or front, but if they were narrower, the internals would be smaller both in the chamber and the horn. Not worth the compromise for me. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:10am
The day went well. 12 hrs in all. Sold the new cabs yesterday after demos to French customers on old Harrison amps and today sold cabs and amps to old ASS customers after the Matrix Demo. So far so good. I'm going to try and organize demos here in Southend, but I want to do it for a week, so that time will be more versatile for anyone interested. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Louder than loud
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:16am
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Posted By: Strange Daze
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 11:29am
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Oh my lord. This rig looks stunning. I'd like to see a pic (and indeed hear a stack) with the subs stacked vertically, and 2 x Kick bins stacked vertically on top also. (With a top box atop all that, obviously)... Looks like the rig of my dreams to be quite honest...... Funnilly enough....just sold my last rig and pondering what's next haha Anyway... Well in, Tony. Respects. |
Posted By: PauliePaul
Date Posted: 20 October 2010 at 8:33am
The system looks even better 'in person'..... 
Just wish I had a watch which didn't seem to 'fast forward' when I'm on my way to meet people, then maybe, just maybe, I could have heard the system in it's entirety....
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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 20 October 2010 at 8:52am
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get yourself a plumbers watch paul
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 20 October 2010 at 10:01am
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Paul, Thanks for last night, you obviously got home ok. I guess you might have got a couple of hours sleep. More substantial testing later. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Strange Daze
Date Posted: 20 October 2010 at 11:08am
...just incase that got overlooked on the last page  |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 12:24am
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The system took another leap forward today. In spite of finishing the cabs, I've spent a week testing other speakers to make sure I'm going down the right road with this, and today, a well known engineer has been with me testing the big Crown lightweights against the matrix amps. Sunday I'll be with Andy at Matrix, so that I can see how things are done. I am definitely going with Matrix. My biggest concern with this new system was whether the hf would blend with the mid. The sound is different with the co-axil but well worth doing it. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: king david
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 10:08pm
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system looks great, shame i am too far! are you using matrix 6000 amp in bridge mode across 2 x 18sw115? any big difference between the b&c and the pd drivers? ------------- http://www.warriorcharge.noblogs.org |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 23 October 2010 at 12:09am
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I used a 6000 bridged, but I will end up with a special unit being developed at the moment. Regarding speakers, Overall, there's not nothing in it. You looking at 2 excellent speakers. In the end it will be subjective. At the moment I will be sticking with B and C, but nothing is laid in stone. With the co-operation of other people, I will be doing more tests. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 23 October 2010 at 12:12am
I'll see what I can do. This is something that can be done on the demos. Stacking this way would make the stack just 4" shorter than the tall stack in the original photos. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Walshy
Date Posted: 24 October 2010 at 1:25am
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Tony ASS... Thanks man... Been rocking your ASS BS1200 for years now.... One of the best bins around... Built for WAR Wicked Thanks again Brad |
Posted By: Louder than loud
Date Posted: 24 October 2010 at 2:42am
| ''Built for WAR'' lol |
Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 24 October 2010 at 2:53am
| they sure are. i've got 2 holding a van down and 2 holding my kitchen down right now. |
Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 24 October 2010 at 10:20am
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i got two holding my van up to do repairs!!!!!!great bins ------------- TRENDSETTER SOUND SYSTEM |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 24 October 2010 at 11:50pm
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OK, so they're Warbins. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Strange Daze
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 11:27am
Nice one. I'll check the demo thread and see if I can make it :) Cheers, Chris |
Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 26 November 2010 at 7:58pm
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bump! I'm not trying to convert anyone into anything, just happened to find quite interesting comparison between DCM50 and 4592Nd, the mid-only versions of the coaxials. http://www.voltiaudio.com/midrangedrivers.shtml - http://www.voltiaudio.com/midrangedrivers.shtml |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 27 November 2010 at 1:42am
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I've read that, and it's interesting to say the least. When I first saw the B and C Co-axil, I didn't really understand the point of just the mid unit. For instance, why would you want to come out of the mid at 9-10k and go into a tweeter, a compression driver would be a waste of time as an add on at that frequency, when you get the top end included in the co-axil and it's coherent. That was my view on them any way. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: Louder than loud
Date Posted: 27 November 2010 at 1:55am
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I've been hearing some VERY good these about this system... watch this space :) I've also heard that the amps use on the day we're very good !
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Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 27 November 2010 at 8:00am
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Tony that's just what I've been wondering also, when it is possible to fit the top end coaxially, why would anyone buy only that mid-only device. However, it is nice to see some rough measurements and subjective reviews on those two, as they should be approximately the same as the mid part in the coax one. |
Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 27 November 2010 at 8:27am
I agree especially when the top end can be a dedicated driver just to do the top octave. As Tony has said the fact that it is also coherent without any DSP trickeries is surely a huge advantage. ------------- www.forteaudio.eu - BMS - db-Mark Processors - Lexon (SAE) |
Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 27 November 2010 at 10:54am
you sound surprised
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Posted By: Louder than loud
Date Posted: 27 November 2010 at 1:33pm
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Surprised........ ummmm you could say that - from what i've heard these bins are doing what an EM Quake would do so they cant be that bad. It seems Matrix have sorted what problems they had out and again from what i've heard the amp used on that demo was up there with the best and many rated it over a FFA 10 so again they must be doing something right. Until i've heard it i cant really say anymore but these sources of info are coming from well respected members on here. |