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Forum Name: Punisher and X-tro
Forum Description: Discussion / Questions about the Punisher and X-tro
URL: https://forum.speakerplans.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4420
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Topic: Plans available here
Posted By: Lasse Lukkari
Subject: Plans available here
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 7:28am
http://www.speakerstore.nl/constructions/show/21" rel="nofollow - Punisher http://www.speakerstore.nl/constructions/show/23" rel="nofollow - X-tro
(c) Walter en Frederik Links updated...
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 9:42am
omg!
vivo, u r a legend!
------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure
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Posted By: Contour
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 12:12pm
Hello,
Nice to see this section over here! I am reading the speakerplans.com forum frequently so I will try to answer the questions whenever possible. But I saw Vivo moved a lot of topics into this section so there already is a lot of information. I think it is wise for everyone who wants to build a Punisher or X-tro that they first read a number of these topics.
Both the Punisher and X-tro are quite complex too build. If you have never build a cabinet before I would advise to try something more easy first. The thing with horns is, they need to be strong and airtight for best performance.
The X-tro also needs a lot of amps. In fact this cabinet is something like a pornhorn top and some sort of HD-15 into one cabinet. The original X-tro uses B&C 1" + 8" and 2x15" 18Sound. But of course different drivers are possible (But I have not seen many suited 8" drivers)
Best regards,
Walt
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Posted By: IAIN RENDLE
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 9:15am
http://www.vortexsound.co.uk/P-II.zip - http://www.vortexsound.co.uk/P-II.zip
some useful stuff created by CARLOS
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 10:12am
what format are those files in? i cant seem to open them!
------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure
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Posted By: IAIN RENDLE
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 10:18am
you need Auto CAD 2005 to open them
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its a bit expensive to buy!!!! so thats why they made bit torrent
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Posted By: Jay Lawless
Date Posted: 04 July 2006 at 7:05am
STIK_sounds wrote:
you need Auto CAD 2005 to open them
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its a bit expensive to buy!!!! so thats why they made bit torrent
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Good'ol bit torrent, slow, but none-traceable
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Posted By: IAIN RENDLE
Date Posted: 04 July 2006 at 7:18am
i find it suprisingly fast.... but it is dependant on what you want.... i have had upto speeds of 240kb/s down stream.... and also had to wait a week for acid pro 5.0
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Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 28 July 2006 at 11:28pm
STIK_sounds wrote:
i find it suprisingly fast.... but it is dependant
on what you want.... i have had upto speeds of 240kb/s down stream....
and also had to wait a week for acid pro 5.0
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And ive spend 90days downloading a <500mb file :P
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Posted By: moray james
Date Posted: 01 November 2006 at 1:17pm
Looking at the Punisher plans I see that the driver is 100% loaded into the horns throat. Perhaps I have been looking at older designs but most horns that I have seen have the driver slot loaded into the throat. Can someone tell me why the punisher has no slot? I had been under the impression that slot loading was necessary. Thanks. Moray James.
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Posted By: Nigey-C
Date Posted: 16 November 2006 at 8:04pm
do you mean that the whole of the driver fires into the horn??? unlike say on a WSX where the driver fires through a small hole into the horn??
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Posted By: mobiele eenheid
Date Posted: 17 November 2006 at 5:12am
Half of the air volume in front of the woofer is pressed towards the dead end of the horn, effectively acting as compression chamber, while the other half will follow the horn path, effectively starting at the throat. Some air in front of the driver might be doing both.
This theory might not be spot on in practice but has proven itself, in many designs and over time to be acceptable. Still other theories are acceptable too, as in the end they're just a over-simplification/approximation of reality, with all of it's flaws.
-edit- As a side note, many theories in modern science are accepted as not beïng 100% correct, just acceptable.
Wkr Johan
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Posted By: robotnation
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 10:28pm
the punisher looks spot on. I don't have the capabilities to cut things that complex, but im gonna pay someone to cut the wood so i can put them together on my own. I think im gonna build two to start and get an amp. I still have 4 x 12" monitors and an amp left in my system- even used i can sell them all along with the amp for more than initial investment since i got a deal on new ones years ago, but for now im just gonna build two punishers and buy an amp that can run 4 (for when i upgrade). now to that amp... is there an amp out there that can run 4 punishers full blast? if your answer is "not for under an outrageous ungodly price" then ill settle for an amp that can power two punishers at a time bridged. thanks for your help -matt
*edit* id like to see the expensive amp option too even if i cant afford it, as i wont have parties until summer and have time to make more money over a few months, thanks!
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Posted By: robotnation
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 11:02pm
also- just how loud is the punisher compared to a sub built around an 18" driver? if i reach peak exertion on punisher, how will it compare to peak on an 1850? from my math, an 18 inch driver can move 2.6 times as much air, maybe 1.66 if you acount for the huge xmax of ciare... is the punisher a good long term investment?
*double edit* i just realized i meant to post this stuff in my own thread where i was asking about what horns are best- i phail. sorry bout that.
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Posted By: Dj Maca Roots
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:06pm
IAIN RENDLE wrote:
you need Auto CAD 2005 to open them
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its a bit expensive to buy!!!! so thats why they made bit torrent
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Just opened with eDrwaings it's a free application to open up .dxf files works with Mac or PC
You can find it here:
http://www.edrawingsviewer.com/
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Posted By: Lawaaiige buur
Date Posted: 19 November 2008 at 12:23pm
Last weekend i did a little test: On the back of the panels i made 2 shelves of 18mm ply, 10 x 47 cm, at the places where the magnets are located in the speaker, because i feld the 15mm backpanel was too thin for the job. I had 2 x-tro's with and 2 without the shelves.
At the party the soundpressure was much higher at the side with the shelves, so i'm going to make them on the other two also.
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Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 19 November 2008 at 7:07pm
interesting
can you point where exactly have you put the reinforcements on the plans?
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 3:28pm
I think the angle marked 35 degrees on the bottom left view of the x-tro plan (file name xtroii_bouwtekening.jpg) is actually 34 degrees... I hope so else I'm about to cut it wrong
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Posted By: Contour
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 7:28pm
Hello Darkmatter,
Well spotted, when I remeasure the original ACAD drawing this angle is indeed 34 degrees, I have no idea how it is possible that 35 appeared ...???
Best regards,
Walt
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 1:58pm
On the plus side it's forced me to improve my poor trigonometry skills, so it's a good thing really!
Thanks for the brilliant designs by the way, I'm not actually building the xtro but I'm borrowing the 8" horn section and trying out a dual 8" MTM cab based on that
I'm hoping this will reinforce LF response slightly, allowing me to cross to 15" kick horns slightly lower. My grasp of the theory isn't great though, so I'll have to get some plots done once they're built to see whether it's worked.
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Posted By: despoiler
Date Posted: 28 August 2009 at 8:58pm
what 15" drivers are best for the xtro cab when using it mainly as the mid/high part of a rig? I'm looking to build 4 cabs to run on an amp that I've been reccomended that will run all 4 cabs at 1500w/4ohms ( I think thats right anyway, xtros are generally 4ohms aint they? if they are 8ohm cabs that's what the amp runs at, still need to clarify that.lol, ) but want them to sound right when used as full range cabs as well.
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Posted By: shadow1
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 7:32pm
Xtro plans please !
------------- Smile, the worst is yet to come.
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Posted By: Autograff
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 8:29pm
Posted By: shadow1
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 9:14pm
The links dead !
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Posted By: HughF
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 9:38pm
go to speakerstore.nl and navigate to them... simples...
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Posted By: shadow1
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 9:58pm
Ah right, cheers.
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Posted By: drgraftak
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 1:20am
Hey dudes,
Does anyone actually have the Cad files for the x-tro?
Cheers, Graftak
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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 9:46am
yes i do. £600000000000 per drawing line.
*edit* - i really do have them, send over your email address and i'll email them to you later.
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Posted By: Lasse Lukkari
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:27pm
Posted By: T!v@k
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:25am
Saul wrote:
yes i do. £600000000000 per drawing line. *edit* - i really do have them, send over your email address and i'll email them to you later. |
PM Sent
Greets T!v@K
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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 1:17pm
here you go people:
XTRO HR DATA for the 15" sections(s)
REAR CHAMBER = 71.39 litres
FRONT CHAMBERS
- top = 13.17 litres bottom = 13.1 litres
TOP HORN - volumes DO NOT take loaded drivers into account (please adjust accordingly) S1 = 673.04 cm^2 con - 21.85 cm S2 = 893 cm^2 con - 23.66 cm S3 = 1151.5 cm^2 horn data could be rounded to equal each other
BOTTOM HORN -
S1 = 678.54 cm^2 con - 21.22 cm S2 = 898.17 cm^2 con - 22.67 cm S3 = 1151.5 cm^2
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Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 1:46pm
do the final bend affect the mid response?
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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 3:46pm
not a huge amount.
but im not entirely sure how to accurately sim (using HR) 2x BP horns at once with a common back chamber.
anyone?
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Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 3:49pm
more meat on fire.... anyone have ever tryed to mount the 15" reversed?
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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 4:30pm
hmmmm that would make front chamber mega small and rear chamber even bigger.........
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Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 4:32pm
and throat smaller ;) but depend on driver depth
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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 4:34pm
besides - it wouldnt work- having built a few now, i know that no driver would fit in the other way round
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Posted By: Saul
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 1:14pm
Saul wrote:
here you go people:
XTRO HR DATA for the 15" sections(s)
REAR CHAMBER = 71.39 litres
FRONT CHAMBERS
- top = 13.17 litres bottom = 13.1 litres
TOP HORN - volumes DO NOT take loaded drivers into account (please adjust accordingly) S1 = 673.04 cm^2 con - 21.85 cm S2 = 893 cm^2 con - 23.66 cm S3 = 1151.5 cm^2 horn data could be rounded to equal each other
BOTTOM HORN -
S1 = 678.54 cm^2 con - 21.22 cm S2 = 898.17 cm^2 con - 22.67 cm S3 = 1151.5 cm^2
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could someone else sim this please - my HR is playing up on me.
ideally i want pics of the response and excursion and group delay.
i basically want to know what could happen if these were to be crossed at 75 or 80hz instead of 90.
cheers Saul
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Posted By: T!v@k
Date Posted: 06 February 2010 at 12:56pm
@Contour
Hi walt
i read at speakerstore.nl that a new generation of xtro designs are coming with a bigger pressure chamber for the kick base.
do you know something about that? and if you do how are the plans coming?
greets Tim
------------- Tha GeeX are out there
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Posted By: Contour
Date Posted: 06 February 2010 at 2:33pm
Hello Tim,
Current X-tro design already uses this bigger front chamber for the kick bass. The text on speakerstore is very old, the first prototypes had some sort of slot loading for the midbass, this did not work very well, therefore the design was changed to the current design.
Best regards,
Walt
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Posted By: T!v@k
Date Posted: 06 February 2010 at 5:18pm
ah ok cool than this is the way to go then.
i've seen a reinforcement panel was added between the two 15" horns in some builds. but i read in a post from lawaaiigebuur that he put some extra reinforcement on the back panels to handle the the pressure in the bins
is it wise to make the outer panels from 18mm in stead of the 15 mm birch to cope with the pressure??
thnx T
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Posted By: bigwilly
Date Posted: 03 November 2010 at 6:01pm
are there any plans off the punisher in a 15" Version ?
Also the mounting depth of my driver is... 294mm rather than 190mm, can I just make the 190mm chamber 294mm deep and add the 104mm to the overall so the throat dimensions arent effected just the sealed chamber?
1st post here btw so be nice lol! Awesome website...Wish if found this along time ago !
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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 03 November 2010 at 6:15pm
you're probably best off just saying what driver you have, and people will steer you towards a design to suit it (or search for it either because it's probably been discussed before).... the punisher horn was really designed around the Ciare driver.
and hi!
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Posted By: bigwilly
Date Posted: 03 November 2010 at 6:24pm
Hello lol,
This mite make me sound like a complete noob but the woofer in question is an In car woofer. Orion 15.2 HCCA. The specs can be here on page 18.....
http://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/OG/Orion/GHCCA102%202008-11MLweb2.pdf
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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 03 November 2010 at 6:35pm
best bet is to do what the manufacturers say probably.. build the small reflex box described at the bottom of the page...
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Posted By: bigwilly
Date Posted: 04 November 2010 at 5:26pm
Already build the recommeneded box and many othr similr boxes and have got bored lo
So shall I just to discussed in a previous post and engliage the sealed chamber and keep the scoop/port/tunnel dims the same ???
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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 04 November 2010 at 6:43pm
i'm no expert on driver specs but yours doesn't seem suitable at all for horn loading. it has a very low ebp... there is some really good info on driver specs in the FAQ on the main speakerplans site.. well worth checking out.
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Posted By: bigwilly
Date Posted: 04 November 2010 at 6:52pm
oooh sounds good - cant find the FAQ tho lol - any chance of a linky for some bedtime reading :)
How do i go about searching other designs for this thing. Mainly deeper mounting depth
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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 04 November 2010 at 7:05pm
http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=faq - http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=faq
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Posted By: lamouette/rck
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 2:39pm
Hi,
Someone have a valid link for the autocad files ?
Because, i've drawn the X-tro with the drawings, and i find a lot of strange mesurement. (angle a 82.3, and a few things like that)
http://www.imagup.com/data/1119354750.html" rel="nofollow">
http://www.imagup.com/data/1119354848.html" rel="nofollow">
If someone can help me... Thanks
PS : who know if it's possible to buy some XT8 horn, with phase plug somewhere ???
Thank a lot. Bye
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Posted By: lamouette/rck
Date Posted: 11 May 2011 at 3:54pm
Posted By: Dutchman
Date Posted: 04 April 2015 at 4:02pm
Also looking for punisher plan..
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