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Topic: HD215 PLAN CAD DRAWING + BUILD PICS
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Subject: HD215 PLAN CAD DRAWING + BUILD PICS
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:33pm

http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/ - Hi everyone

Im getting some HD215's built soon so i thought id knock up the drawings in CAD with all the butt joints and dado channels marked so i could get them cnc'd to speed up the build/lower the cost.

Ive made a couple of mistakes that need correcting and havent put the dimensions on yet but i was wondering if anyone else had any plans i could have a look at... im looking to make the curved section out of 5 angled strips...

Im starting with the HD215's, then im gonna draw the mt122, then the lab horn.  all drawings will come with a cutting plan too.  if enough ppl want it i'll post it 4 download.



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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:39pm
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Posted By: Captain Caveman
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 12:23pm
ooh well get busy

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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 1:12pm

What CAD program are you using?  I'm very interested!

Jim



Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 2:07pm

erm sorry to have slowed this project down but what with trying to do this one, the punisher and mt121 all at once my time has been at a premium.... and it doesnt help that work now expect me to actually work when i turn up!!!

at the moment im using autocad LT as its quick for me to turn things out...  im gonna start on a 3d cad soon...maybe proengineer or more likey solidworks  [again all from work... you should be aware that if u use cad at work then its actually legal for u to get a copy for home use free!!!]

i think solid works will let me calculate weight but if not then i'll def use proe.

no ones come up with much help on the 5 sectional wood design so together with pictures and undimensioned plans from other threads and the polygon generator in autocad lt ive decided just to make the best that i can.

then i'll post a complete plan with the full dimensions, cutting list, and maybe set by set build pics...  doesnt the sun just get u in the mood to build stuff!



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Posted By: Dom
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 3:27pm
I can't  remember the last time I built a cab where the plans weren't drawn on the back of a used envelope/fag packet/beer mat etc... 

Am I just a luddite?


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 4:48pm

http://www.bl-online.org/users/lasse.lukkari/hd215/HD215.pdf - http://www.bl-online.org/users/lasse.lukkari/hd215/HD215.pdf

didnt see this! duh



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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:14am

Well,,, I draw on AutoCAD, but I must admit that changes to the plan are using a pencil on the print out.  I really should go back and update the drawing before I need to build more.

Beer mat?  That's a great idea! I think I've got a few of those laying around!

Jim



Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 1:59pm
no dom your not a ludite, just resourcefull!

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Posted By: tedrostarr
Date Posted: 25 June 2006 at 5:59pm
plans.. lolol..cad por favor!!!

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 8:42pm
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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 8:46pm

finally finalised the plan for my version...was thinking of having the brace going almost to the mouth of the cab but i cant be assed with doing all the cutting with a jigsaw man! now ive got cad at home i should do a cutting list too... no rest for the wicked.

if anyone needs autocad2007 on the sly i have figured out a way to get the 30 day demo to convert to the full version.  btw i = read it on the net somewhere... im no computer wiz kid! 


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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 8:50pm
i like that last sentense.... how?

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 5:09am
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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 12:51pm

wood bought from b&q and had them cut two 8ft by 4ft to the above cutting list... should beenough for 2hd215 cabs apart from the internal baffle and curve.

http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/">
 
i was trying to sell that red stair climbing sack trolley a few months ago...im glad it didnt sell as i managed to move 2 big sheets of birch and 1 big mdf sheet worth of wood on my own in one trip with no hassle at all!!!!
 
didnt even have to do any lifting to get it over the steps....every back needs one!


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 12:53pm
pd154....  looks like its built like a tank.
 
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Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 6:53pm
A beermats alot cheaper than autocad LOL


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 7:03pm
not if u download the 2 dll files needed to unlock autocad.... then there about the same price - free.

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 23 August 2006 at 5:59pm
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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 7:07am
ok finished my cutting list drawings last night.... nipped to b&q today and got another router.  Thats number 2 now... who ever said u can never have enough routers was right!
 
this one was 50 but comes with a table mouting so i think i'll just set it up and leave it set up for on particluar job ie routing rebates.
 
ok no excuses now... im off to make 2 hd215's.  hopefully bu today i'll finish cutting the boxes and maybe make the baffle and 5 sectioned curve on mon.  fingeres crossed.


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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 7:22am
good luck!

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 10:59am
when did i last post? its taken me all that time to put that f**king router table together!!!! anyone who can do it quicker is a better man then me.  luckily i put the router tip i wanted to use on the router during installation to the table cos now it'd would take some time to get the router off and change the bit and put it back on the table....
 
mine was just a cheapy on but on proper expensive router tables can you change the bit whilst the router is attached to the table?


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 12:05pm
set it all up now and think i'll take a break for a bit...  i have to say that having the router mouted on a table makes cutting a rebate so so so easy.  its taken me awhile - id say about 40mins through trial and error but now i have set the guides to cut a 8mm deep and 18mm wide rebate.  now its effortless.  initially i was thinking of have a centre rebate but i think that would require too much effort and as its not really a structural piece i think i'mm get away with just gluing and nail gunning it in place.
 
heres some pics anyway....
 
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perfect rebates every time... at least im hoping they well be!


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 7:47am

ive decided to up my intial 2 hd215's to 4 as i was thinking i mite as well make them at once rather then in bits... i think you could make 4 hd215s from 10 sheets of 8 by 4 easily



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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 6:28pm
I would like to hear a HD215 and see how it compares to the  existing Martin /ASS  215 cabinets,..what price do u reckon it works out per box to build Heathrow,asuming each box has 2x pd,etc...im guessing,with timber,fittings,drivers,paints,etc,must come out at around 450 per box?.

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 7:08pm
wood 1.75 sheets of 8x4 birch - 62
4 big handles - 16
4 100mm castors - 20
pack or 100 m6 t-nuts - 3
m6 60mm bolts - 5
nails for nail gun - 8
glue - 3.5
paint - unknown
2 pd 154 - 200
4 corners - 2
 
= 320
 
cant say anything about paint cos i havent ordered any yet...
 
it would take one weekend to make 4 hd215's if everything was set up...
 
my big mistake was not getting everything cut at b and q... if u trust the guy or slip him a tip i think they can cut it much better and quicker then most of us could.  make the 5 sectional bit using one 600mm jig.
 
id also add money in there for a grill..
 
if you intend to make more then 4 at one go id say forget about rebating things etc unless u use some sort or cnc
 
a good nail gun seems worth the cost too.
 
b and q birch ply is sh*t... its got loads of voids in it plus the guy at the shp thinks only the first couple of laminates r bich.  who knows!
 
havent added speakons to the cost either as im still undecided on model.
 
 


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 7:22pm
im sure the next 4 i build will be built much quicker... as i will plan things better and not create extra work for myself as ive done up to this point...but hey it keeps me out of trouble i suppose.
 
i just wanna add that i spent money on tools etc as well...if i was starting out again id seriously consider finding a cheap cnc place or cabinet maker as it probably would have worked out cheaper... but the feeling of ownership u get when u build ur own things is abit like having kids...u get attached to them as u know how much hassle went into making them. 
 
also i think we cabs the more u build at once the better as things get cheaper...  i think 4 is a nice number to attempt.


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Posted By: Charles_V
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 5:04am
Quote b and q birch ply is sh*t... its got loads of voids in it plus the guy at the shp thinks only the first couple of laminates r bich. who knows!


probably "birch faced" ply..


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 7:18am
 If u can get them completed for around 350 Heathrow,thats a brilliant figure,i know that doesnt include time and effort,but the nearest pro.built "named" cabinet  would be at least 1200,and the Martin or ASS considerably more (double that).
 I would love a listen to the finished 215 cabinet,i have heard single hd15s,but the twin version is allways going to excel,and a stack of 2 hd215 per side gives you a 4ft x 4ft approx mouth.

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 10:53am
thats why diy cabs are great...  i wanted to get someone else to build them at first but for 8 hd215s you will save alot of money building it yourself

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 31 August 2006 at 4:31pm
has anyone heard both the pd154 and pd 156 in a hd15?  i cant decide on which one to get....  id use them in group of 4 cabs minium and 8 cabs maximum.
 
any advice?


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Posted By: rinse
Date Posted: 31 August 2006 at 6:35pm
Which handles did you use and where did you get them from?


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:44am
black bar handled ones, from pap

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 September 2006 at 2:18pm
ive finally used my table mounted router in anger and have finally knocked up the box bit of the cab...  took some pics when i was offering the panels up to check they all fit, which they do thankfully!
 
all the panels....
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dado channels
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no glue or screws... only the ribbon clamps holding it together... still quiet strong though
 
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i still think making 4 in a batch will save me time evem though it doesnt seem like it at the moment!  i think next i'm gonna try and work on the curve and baffle sections or maybe route out all the handle cut outs


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Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 12:52am
Originally posted by Heathrow_B_line Heathrow_B_line wrote:

wood 1.75 sheets of 8x4 birch - 62
4 big handles - 16
4 100mm castors - 20
pack or 100 m6 t-nuts - 3
m6 60mm bolts - 5
nails for nail gun - 8
glue - 3.5
paint - unknown
2 pd 154 - 200
4 corners - 2
 
= 320
 
cant say anything about paint cos i havent ordered any yet...
 
it would take one weekend to make 4 hd215's if everything was set up...
 
my big mistake was not getting everything cut at b and q... if u trust the guy or slip him a tip i think they can cut it much better and quicker then most of us could.  make the 5 sectional bit using one 600mm jig.
 
id also add money in there for a grill..
 
if you intend to make more then 4 at one go id say forget about rebating things etc unless u use some sort or cnc
 
a good nail gun seems worth the cost too.
 
b and q birch ply is sh*t... its got loads of voids in it plus the guy at the shp thinks only the first couple of laminates r bich.  who knows!
 
havent added speakons to the cost either as im still undecided on model.
 
 
 
2 PD154 for 200. Nice price you got them for. They are about 124 inc vat each normally.


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 5:20pm
cut 50 mitred sections for the curve on staurday and now have started glueing them together....  its a shame i only have 8 variable angle clamps as it means i have to make 4 curves at a time.
 
my plan is to glue 2 sections together then add another and another until i have the full 5 pieces.
 
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Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:04pm
Nice little angle clamps heathrow.. where did you get em?


Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:10pm
Originally posted by ToXiC ToXiC wrote:

[QUOTE=Heathrow_B_line]
my big mistake was not getting everything cut at b and q... if u trust the guy or slip him a tip i think they can cut it much better and quicker then most of us could.  make the 5 sectional bit using one 600mm jig.
  
 
I used to get  my mdf for internal panels at B&Q and got it pre-cut to save doing full sheets on my crappy little table saw (also from B&Q)...also saves borrowing a van. Problem was they had a policy of cutting within 3mm of requested dimensions, which seemed a bit ridiculous.. The guys used to get arsey if I stressed the necessity of straight accurate cuts, so one of them once told me i'd have to do it myself, and let me walk around the counter and play with their huge wallmount saw. He didn't seem to have considered the insurance connotations!
 
And yes..B&Q Birch ply isn't the real deal..


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 12:50pm
i didnt think so now that ive worked with it but im too far along to do anything about it now!  guess i will have to grin and bear it.  the next time i build a load of speakers im gonna use 25mm birch ply as ive found a place that sells it for 40 a sheet and its the proper stuff!

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 2:48pm

took the clamps off tonight and the mitred section is looking really solid...  im using that exterior wood glue in the blue bottle [ evostick i think] and its very good!

some more pics...  so added another section onto the intial 2 now...
 
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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 6:49pm
been thinking about my whole system and at present have come up with something like this....
 
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the whole concerns i have is using the hds on there side as i have not seen many ppl do this.  has anyone used them like this?  incidently its nice that 3 hds are about the same size as 2 x1's...the x1's are only 18mm bigger.


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Posted By: Nigey-C
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 6:56pm
i cant see a problem with stacking the HDs like that...

nice stack as well... what tops are you using?? Porn Horns? or half an MT122??


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 7:02pm
half a mt122. gonna make 6 mt121's but i dont think i'll ever use more then 4 at one time.  
 
re the hd's: i was just thinking it might mess up the dispersion if you rotated them 90 degrees


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Posted By: tobeconfirmed
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 10:31am
Originally posted by Heathrow_B_line Heathrow_B_line wrote:

 
re the hd's: i was just thinking it might mess up the dispersion if you rotated them 90 degrees


wud also like to know the answer to this!


Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:57pm
Hey thats my stack! (or atleast it will be... exactly what I'm building!)
 
I was gunna have 8HDs but after seeing that piccy.. it's gotta be 12! Didn't realise 3 Hds fitted so well!
 
We only have the 4 X1s so far  (but I have been investing in processing and ampage, and thats now all sorted bar 1 amp).
 
I was also wondering the same thing about dispersion.. has anyone any clues? I would imagine the dispersion would be narrower this way? but only slightly??


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 3:31pm

i have finally got all my panels cut and most of the routering done!  man its taken ages.... things have only really got moving now that ive got some holidays instead of trying to fit things into my weekends!

I have cut and glued 6 curves made from 5 pieces of wood.   as a novice woodworker this slowed me down and in retrospect if i knew how much hassle it would have been i would have made the curve out of bendy mdf. The sectionally curve does look quite nice though, and now that ive made most of the templates its no longer a chore to construct it in this manner.
 
heres some pics of one of the six curves with the baffle...
 
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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 3:45pm
time is also running out as to what colour to paint them.  at the moment im thinking about turbosound blue as they were originally a turbosound copy

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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 4:11pm



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Posted By: Lasse Lukkari
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 5:35pm
It's easy to glue them like this:


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 8:08pm

thanks vivo.  i experimented using different methods and i found them all to be labour intense and the results were far from perfect.  then i read one of your earlier posts and used the above method which seemed to be the best way to do it by far!

heres how i did it.
 
 


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 8:16pm
dimensions i used....
 
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the jig [with centre piece to make sure the exact height remained constant with all curves built]
 
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my jig was similar to vivo's but i used 45degree end bits
 
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the curve shown below is already dry and finished but when i was doin it for real i used thick masking tape to hold the sections together then flipped them over and applied glue to the gaps between each panel.  then using 2 bits of wood to support the panels i placed it onto the jig and clamped it either end and [not shown in the pics] down the centre.
 
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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 8:25am
Quote http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/">
 
 
 
Looks familiar.....     :)
 
 


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 23 November 2006 at 5:39pm
wheres the other one then?

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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 27 November 2006 at 12:56pm
Gaaaah, some people.......
 
 
 
[rolleyes smilie that should be in the list selection]


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 28 November 2006 at 6:02am
ok norty i shall see your hds, mt's and isobaric bass cabs and raise u lab subs...
 
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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 29 November 2006 at 7:58am
hmmmmmmmmmmm murder was definatly the bass!

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 2:26pm
i reached a critical point today... i could have completely finished 3 hd215s all glued up and everything or get some more wood cut for 5 more hd215s...
 
i choose the silly option of getting more wood.  i suppose it will be good in the long run as i will have 4 a side but man it would also have been nice to have some finished cabs i could hear!
 
but it got me thinking....  i dont know if 4 a side will be enough not to have a dedicated sub but i guess we shall see.  at the moment im 95% sure that i will be loading them with the pd 156 driver.
 
in terms of ampage goes im in abit of a pickle.  i would very much like smp lightweight amps, but i think i have the following options that i can afford:
 
1)  4 x Yamaha P7000s [new] amps for the 8 hd215's
 
2)  2 x  QSC PLX3602s [new] for the 8 hd215's
 
3)  2 x Camco vortex 6 [second hand] for the 8 hd215's
 
4)  2 x Lab Gruppen fP 6400s [second hand] for the 8 hd215's
 
I wouldnt be putting off spending more money on amps if it ment reducing the number of them i need.  ie gettting bigger amps to power a stack of the cabs.  but if i do this that i will have to run in 2 ohm stereo which im told not many amps can take.  im sure the lab gruppen can do it as it states it on their website, the rest im unsure of
 
also if i had to i may even consider something like the t.amp proline 3000 or qsc rmx 5050


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Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 2:33pm
Hope you've budgetted for the circa 2000 you're going to need to spend on drivers for that little pile!  Amps?  Keep us posted tho, gonna be an impressive stack.


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 2:41pm
yea should be a good stack.... taken me enough time to plan it so it better be!  one thing i regret is not making the hd15s as trap boxs as i think a 4 x 4 trap stack would have looked quite nice.  also i will see how i go with a stack 4 cabs high, as after putting the mt122 tops in i think it mite be a touch to tall.... still i can always flog 2 hd215's...saving me having to buy 4 drivers!

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Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 3:58pm
Three boxes per side is a nice number from the point of view of amp requirements and stacking height.  Choice is either wire them so the drivers are on seperate channels on the speakon (best way) or if you wire them both to pin 1, you can stick a beefy amp in parallel mono mode, join the channels together if necessary and off you go.  Either way you just join all the cabs together and you get 3 drivers per amp channel.


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 5:02pm
a quick question guys... how much paint would i need to paint one hd215 inside and out [inc rear chamber] with 5 or 6 costs of paint?

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Posted By: Insomnia
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 5:14pm
ermm it depends if your spraying or rollering on,
 
in each case go for 2x 5kg pails from Aldcrofts this will be more than enough for 6-8 (probably more) Hd215's with 5 coats-
 
it goes a very long way.
 
once with 1x 5kg pail i painted 6 b-lines 4 t251's and 2 reflex 18's all with a roller and each had 5 coats
 
that gives u an example.
 
 


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 20 December 2006 at 9:57am
still cant decide on a colour but one thing i know is that it aint gonna be black!
 
or green!


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 27 December 2006 at 4:23pm

progress so far....  things are happening but taking longer then i expected!!!  but i have to admit that i cant wait to hear the whole rig now that its taking shape....  man all i can do is grin!  only another 5 to assemble! 



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Posted By: puffah
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 1:00am
Has anyone thought of using that truck bed liner paint. I know a couple of guys that spay that stuff into trucks. It might be heavey but is indestructable. I don't think its all that super expensive??? I don't know I was thinking about looking into it. You wouldn't need to spary it that thick...Then just paint it any color you want. I was thinking spraying the ousides of my cabinates with it all black and painting the inside sections a brighter color???

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 7:22am
i think on prosoundweb, the home of the lab sub alot of ppl use that truck bed liner that you refer to....  ive gone the aldcroft route personally

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 8:43pm
some more build pics...
 
jig used to join the curve with the baffle.... the ends are angled to the correct amount
 
 
 
i clamped the two pieces together using more angled blocks to get a snug fit...
 
 
 
as with the rest of my cabs everything is glued and nail gunned together using either 18g 40mm nails or 18g 30 mm nails...
 
im hoping that the paint will cover the nail indents as they are quiet shallow...
 
 
the hd factory keeps churning out bits....
 
 
stack one.... and yes that is a light bulb!
 
 
stack two
 
 
as can be seen these cabs also make good storage space!


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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 12:32am
Was worried for a second that those curved sections were fixed in place but realised differently on closer inspection!!!

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 8:53am
yea its just building so many at once means floor space seems to become non existant.  i have to say though they are abit taler then i would have liked!!!

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Posted By: Nigey-C
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 9:22am
whats the current cost of building all those HD215s???


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 4:10pm
its about 750 not including time or any tools i think.... i have only bought one driver so far though so this needs to be taken into account.

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Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 9:40pm
Hey HBL: You're doing a wicked job.Great work.


Posted By: super-hero
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 2:04pm
It's looking really good, quite a big project for a first build.
 
Did you find that the b/q 13 laminate ply was full of voids or was it their cheaper ply.
 
Also interested in autocad if you can pm me details. Cheers.


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 2:13pm
the b and q birch is ok, ive bought alot of it and i realised that i had a sheet or two that had afew voids but mostly it was void free

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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 09 January 2007 at 9:05am
hbl.. you didnt have to cut those curved pieces into single pieces, you could have used one piece
i'll do a sketch and show you how.
 
 
the top panel in the drawing is the ply not cut all the way through
 
so you do all your panels with the first cut not all the way through
then with the second run through the saw you do 2 more cuts with the blade lowered
 
then you fill these gaps with glue , then a quick snap and there you have it, all in one piece
just add some masking tap over the join so as to not lose any glue and leave them on there backs to dry over night
 


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Posted By: owentec
Date Posted: 10 January 2007 at 7:06am

Nice idea Mykey. Probably best to use a gap-filling adhesive with this approach since the pressure across the join is so variable.



Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 10 January 2007 at 9:43am

thank's! but it's not an idea, i actually do it this way

standard wood glue dry's harder than the wood it self, but a gap filler will do to.



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Posted By: Nigey-C
Date Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:25am
doing that would also give a smoother look to the front of the cab... instead of the kinked joining.




Posted By: owentec
Date Posted: 11 January 2007 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

standard wood glue dry's harder than the wood it self, but a gap filler will do to.
 
Standard wood glue depends on a high pressure (100psi+) to achieve a high-strength bond. Its unlikely that a high enough pressure could be applied across the entire join using your method. If you used a v-cutting router bit of the correct angle instead, you could apply a more even pressure while the bond developed.
 
Owen


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 12 January 2007 at 2:09am
yeh true!
but that means you would have to have a bit for every angled box you build my way you can do that
 
its ok if your building the same box, you could get trend to make yiou a cutter for that job
 
but this is DIY  


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 13 January 2007 at 12:24pm
more pics from the bat cave...
 
i have finished one now, only the battern for the access panel to fit.  i decided to fit the braces along either side rather then a single central one. it works quiet well like this.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 13 January 2007 at 12:28pm
i'm thinking of putting another handle in the access panel to help get a grip during stacking them up but the thought of cutting more handle cut outs really doesnt inspire me with pleasant thoughts.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
there getting heavy now... im struggling to move them on my own!  if i had the castors on them it would be a god send!


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Posted By: puffah
Date Posted: 13 January 2007 at 1:03pm
any reason why you built these as one solid cabinate instead of 2??? Are you going to run these on top of lab horns or punishers?? What are you going to use as your top cabinates??? nate ps they look great

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 13 January 2007 at 3:14pm
hi puffah
 
i made them as a twin cab because i was using alot of them so i thought that stacking and transporting them would be easier.  also i thougght that they looked nicer as a twin.
 
i was planning on run 6 lab subs with them but now i am having a custom 18inch horn loaded cab designed for me by a fellow bass maniac which should out perform the lab - the only drawback being that it will be 30cm wider and 30cm longer.
 
in terms of top cab its going to be 4 mt122's, maybe six i havent decided yet.  i was thinking about getting pron horns but it seems PAP ways have some sort of excuse for not having it in production.  the limmmer horn is far too expensive to consider. 
 
by the way punishers would not go low enough for me so i would rather have a proper sub bass cab then a bass bin like the punisher.
 
on a different note i was thinking about my 2 baffles and they would be hidden by the batterns nr the opening of the cab making it look like the curve is unsupported.


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 9:41am


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Posted By: josh
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 12:15pm
they look great...how did you route the wires  to the back plate without them being seeen from the front?

edit:: ive seen them now tucked away at the bottom


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 3:06pm
yea its a funny one.... its quite important but it always seem to slip your mind.  i cut holes and just routed them through.  but i was thinking it might have been better to cut the protective cover off and just glue the bare wires to the cab.
 
the central corner piece does hide most of the cables


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Posted By: puffah
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 3:15pm
just use the zip ties with the holes in them sinch them tight and screw them down your wires will stay perfect for ever and can be replaced if you need to swap them out

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Posted By: Nigey-C
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 3:17pm
those 215s look damn nice... u painting them?? or jus gunna varnish them ??


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 5:42pm
no the turbo sound blue has been ordered and has arrived but i want to wait till i finish the whole rig [mt122 and 18 horn loaded subs] and paint the lot together.
 
some more pics.... finished 4 now, just another four to go!
 
 
 
 
 
they look abit naked without the central brace.


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Posted By: Nigey-C
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 5:46pm
where do u live?? can i have ur exact address so i can come and steel them from you?


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 5:46pm
ive got 8 HD215's in total but i think i will try and sell two cabs or store them and just not load them with drivers as the stack gets mighty high 4 cabs high.  because of the stacking height i have had to re design the access panel with a handle in it that can be used during the stacking operation.
 
 


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 6:06pm
updated cad drawing....
 


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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 1:09pm
Nice work!  Almost a shame to paint them!
 
Jim


Posted By: gingerbiscuit69
Date Posted: 17 January 2007 at 8:42pm
im thinking more the merrier!! can always make the stack loads wider rather than higher. generally a venue using a stack that large dont have space issues.

anyway, im bloody jelous of this, very well done!!!!!

give us a shout when your taking them out first time and breaking them in! id love to be there!


Posted By: djstefanos
Date Posted: 18 January 2007 at 4:24pm
cant wait to see these loaded up, painted and ready to blast


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 20 January 2007 at 3:30pm

the grand total stands at 6 cabs now...only 2 left to assemble which i hope i can do tomorrow.  i was thinking about these cabs whilst struggling to move them on my own and think if i could turn the clock back i would have made singles as they would be an easy one man lift.  doubles look nicer for some strange reason though.



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Posted By: Dom
Date Posted: 20 January 2007 at 4:59pm

This may be a bit late but you really shouldn't of bothered with the handles on the sides...  You need a pair of handles on the access panels...  There is a good reason turbo, funktion, void etc all put their handles in the same place... 

Single cabs may be an easier one man lift, but doubles are actually easier to move.  You just don't lift them as a one man vertical lift.  If you want to stack them you tip them onto the other cabs and slide them on.  If you need to load into a van you stand the cab on its end and tip it in...
 
It's not a problem to stack HD215's three high by yourself.


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 20 January 2007 at 7:08pm
yea i know.... the fourth one is a bitch though!  i can just about do it on my own but the cabs are unloaded so lighter! 
 
i didnt want to put a handle on the access panel as i thought it could be a weak point but now that ive got some cabs made i realise that when u try and stack the cabs the handles in the top and bottom are useless as you need them on the side faces.


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Posted By: djstefanos
Date Posted: 20 January 2007 at 7:22pm
i use flush handles. They are jsut as strong and comfortable and they do not disrupt weak points.



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