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Best kick bins between X1 & MT-130 ? HD15? MTH-30?

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Topic: Best kick bins between X1 & MT-130 ? HD15? MTH-30?
Posted By: guppy
Subject: Best kick bins between X1 & MT-130 ? HD15? MTH-30?
Date Posted: 14 March 2011 at 10:33pm
Hi everybody !
I'm totally new on this forum where i learn so much !

I've made 4 X1 and two MT-130 (http://hornplans.free.fr/mt130.html),
and I'm looking for the best suitable kick bins to put between those cabs.
HD15 or MTH-30 ?
The MTH-30 looks easier to build and less expensive too..
How many of them ? (2 seems to me good)

By the way, I mainly play Bass music : Dub, Dubstep, D'n'B, and some deep techno/house too.

I plan to X over that way :
- X1 : 30 to 70 hz
- kick bin : 70 to about 150 hz

What do you think ?
Any phase and delay issues ?

Thanks very much



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Posted By: t.geessounds
Date Posted: 14 March 2011 at 11:54pm
my vote is for the hd15 its easy to build too a pair u used on more than 1.5 sheet of ply wood ...an the kappa pro lf dont cost too much eighter... my 2 cent


Posted By: djyves
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 4:13pm
+1 on HD-15 (with PD154)

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Posted By: YoungBlood
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by t.geessounds t.geessounds wrote:

my vote is for the hd15 its easy to build too a pair u used on more than 1.5 sheet of ply wood ...an the kappa pro lf dont cost too much eighter... my 2 cent


imho dont think hd15 has enough spl in 65-80hz region for dub/dnb

es18 does it perfectly but big and heavy


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Posted By: SebP
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 5:33pm
other alternative: http://hornplans.free.fr/mkh230.html - http://hornplans.free.fr/mkh230.html
higher sensitivity than HD15/HD215



Posted By: guppy
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 5:49pm
I'm looking for something quite compact like the MTH-30, and easy to build..
Does anyone know this cab ?
http://hornplans.free.fr/mth30.html

What do you think about USB ?

The MKH-230 looks great too !

Thanks for advices !


Posted By: DaveSoall
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 6:03pm
could i just ask what crossover are you using?


Posted By: guppy
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 6:29pm
Electrovoice DC-ONE

X1 : 30 - 70/80 hz
kick : 70/80 - 140/200 hz
HMid : 140/200 - 1000/1500 hz

Any advice for the Xover points ?



Posted By: DaveSoall
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 6:42pm
no sorry, i am in the same situation as you apart from i have a g sub and am making two x1's and possibly two hd15's.


Posted By: guppy
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 8:16pm
IMO, it might not be good to mix two different style of subs,
go for either G subs or X1 but not both.

I'm really looking for good kicks that reach 70 hz easily..
MTH-30 ?


Posted By: DaveSoall
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 9:06pm
do hd 15's not hit the 70 hz easily? sorry dont know anyone who has built mth 30 or heard them. 

why dont you just run the x1's up to 80 - 100 hz? 


Posted By: DaveSoall
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 9:09pm
and any reasons for not mixing g sub with x1's?


Posted By: guppy
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 9:26pm
X1 are more performant down to 80 hz.
Think I'm gonna try the MTH-30.

And usually you can have troubles with phase and delay combining two different
subs. There will be a lack of linearity IMO.

Most of clearest sound systems use only two different cabs :
Subs and midtops.
I decided to add kick bins to reach more clarity and good response.
As I'm a sub bass addict, I want my X1 just running below 70 hz.

Am I right ? Anyone ? Embarrassed


Posted By: GekoMusic94
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 1:07pm
I have a MTH-30! It's a  lovely sounding cab, but i use it as a sub for small partys(40-120Hz).
I use the RCF LF12G301 because in the sim it seems a bit more linear than the PD.12SB30, and in italy RCF isn't very priceyBig smile...

Giacomo.


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Posted By: guppy
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 9:48pm
Thanks Geko,

Could you show me the two different sims with PD 12SB30
and RCF LF12 G301 please ?
Might be interseted in that speaker too.
But it's sure now I'm going to build two MTH-30 ! Wink

Thx


Posted By: GekoMusic94
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 11:03am
Here is!
RCF LF12G301:

PD.12SB30:


Giacomo.Smile


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Posted By: GekoMusic94
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 11:09am
X1 (Grey)+MTH-30 (Black):


Giacomo.Smile


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Posted By: Drimacoustic
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 11:17am
I do not think MTH30 is suitable as a kick above X1. Stick with HD15 or ES18 or USB.

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Posted By: t.geessounds
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 8:02pm
+1 for the hd15 or es18 or usb


Posted By: greeef
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 11:29am
I really don't think the mth30 gives a good kick tone, another vote for es18 here.


Posted By: guppy
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 6:48pm
Thank you much Geko !


Posted By: guppy
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 6:51pm
I don't see why the MTH-30 will not give a good kick above X1 ?!

Explain me please !


Posted By: guppy
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 11:34pm
After some research, I now understand..
I'm going to save some more money and go for
a pair of ES18.. Wink

Thanks everyone


Posted By: ShokZi
Date Posted: 07 August 2011 at 1:00pm
I'm in a similiar position.. i was thinking of using the X1, MKB-230, and MT-130.. 
questions: 1.how would i cross it over, aren't most active crossovers 2x3way? (yes noob question but meh)
2. how many of each would i use?



Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 07 August 2011 at 10:39pm
You would need something like a berry ultradrive to put n delay to allign the speakers



Posted By: ShokZi
Date Posted: 09 August 2011 at 5:09am
Originally posted by Adam_Iron_Horse Adam_Iron_Horse wrote:

You would need something like a berry ultradrive to put n delay to allign the speakers


isnt ultradrive 3way? i'd need a 4way xo


Posted By: djyves
Date Posted: 09 August 2011 at 9:05am
A ultradrive has 3 inputs and 6 outputs, so If you're going four way you'll need two of them.

Or you should consider buying a DBX or so with 8 outputs.


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Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 09 August 2011 at 9:25am
Reasonable 8 output DSP would be Xilica XP-4080

Ultradrive would work with mono sub, mono kick and stereo midtops, that's the way I'm usually running it, its routing makes it possible, something that is not possible with DBX Driverack PA+ for example.

MTH30 will probably sound quite bad doing mid/kick bass only. It is not designed for it. HD15, USB or ES18 would be the preferred ones for kick. HD15 being the smallest with smallest driver would generally be "fastest" and drop off highest, while USB is in the middle and many describe it being perhaps best sounding out of three with sufficient SPL for just about anything. In stacks it can be used without sub in most cases (excluding dub/dubstep/dnb naturally). ES18BPH is largest, drops lowest and can be used without sub, a bit like more hi-fi version of 1850 what it comes to frequency range.


Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 09 August 2011 at 2:36pm
Ye I was going for mono sub and kick as there is not much point in stereo bass


Posted By: KMB
Date Posted: 23 October 2017 at 12:05pm
Hi guys!

Do you know some good Kick bins for x-over points 92-360hz?

Its in my 4way pre amp.

thanks


Posted By: Keen
Date Posted: 23 October 2017 at 1:00pm
why 360? mt130 play way lower


Posted By: KMB
Date Posted: 23 October 2017 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by Keen Keen wrote:

why 360? mt130 play way lower

Because my pre amp has crossoverpoints of 90-360hz for kick. dont think i can change it.
do you know some other bins that can play untill 360hz?


Posted By: Keen
Date Posted: 24 October 2017 at 2:25am
Letting your pe-amp determine what bins you build is backwards. Don't compromise the speakers, look at other options for xovers


Posted By: Keen
Date Posted: 24 October 2017 at 2:27am
Or go reflex 15's for now, then have the option of putting them in horns later.


Posted By: JBK
Date Posted: 24 October 2017 at 8:55am
most preamp builders can change the x-over frequencies of their machine, maybe try to contact yours, otherwise some sounds take the main output of the pre and run it through a lms / xover



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Posted By: KMB
Date Posted: 24 October 2017 at 9:00am
First I will try to reset the x-overpoints of my pre amp. otherwise i will have to make 15 inch reflex bins i think.



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