Tops with good kick section
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Topic: Tops with good kick section
Posted By: Bm!
Subject: Tops with good kick section
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 7:53am
| What tops have good kick section that can run from 90/100 up? |
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Posted By: Smiter
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 7:56am
| http://www.emacoustics.co.uk/content/view/67/2/ - EM X3 |
Posted By: Bm!
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 7:57am
| Stasys prime, tms2/4, turbo aspect, xtro any more? |
Posted By: biotec
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 9:24am
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funktion-one res2 and res3 are good from below 90hz
Tannoy VQ60/100 have a recomended HPF of 70Hz but have -3db point of 115Hz.
------------- me so horny, me love you long throw. |
Posted By: djfred
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 11:55am
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thl-4
------------- 120-140bpm. pianos and bass. diesel; the fuel of professionals. |
Posted By: Risc_Terilia
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 12:07pm
| basically most 3-way horn tops should be forfil that need |
Posted By: biotec
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 12:11pm
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A lot of 3 way horn loaded mid tops ahve a short 12inch horn on low mid which wont work for kick. Examples include turbo flood and flash, void stasys 3, etc .
res 4 and 5 have a BPH but are only specced for 115hz and up. They can probably be run lower with compromised headroom. ------------- me so horny, me love you long throw. |
Posted By: RosscoPico
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 12:28pm
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When using 2 per side, these have a good "upper-bass" response (-3dB @100Hz) or with 4 (-3dB @80Hz) Each cab = 2x12", 6" midrange + bullet. "Triax" 3D model with "a cutout cross-section" http://img16.imageshack.us/i/triaxcutout800p.jpg/">  ------------- .:ELEMENT 5 SYSTEMS:. |
Posted By: Quantum Sounds
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 12:31pm
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renkus heinz CE3T's good responce down to 60hz, starts rolling off around 80 tho nice work btw RosscoPico do you have any frequency responces for any of your cabinates? |
Posted By: Smiter
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 12:43pm
| X3 LF section goes lower than 80 and much higher than 150. |
Posted By: Flano
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 12:53pm
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Add EAW Kf 650 to the list. Also any twin 15 loaded design.
RosscoPico: That cab looks like a beast!lovely....
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Posted By: RosscoPico
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 1:38pm
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Tar!
 The "HF array" looks interesting. It looks like the same concept that Nexo have used in their new "Line Monitor" series of Stage Monitors. Personally I don't see any real benefit in designing tops which go lower than 80Hz anyway, as good subwoofers should be capable of producing reproducing 80Hz or more and if they are crossed over any lower then this is likely to be a waste of the efficient bandwidth which they are intentionally designed for....unless of course tops are required which can be run down low without the aid of any subwoofers...
Sure (see below). Actual frequency response charts will be provided once we've got our product website up and running which should hopefully be later this year. "TRIAX" SPECIFICATIONS: Frequency Resp. ± 3dB 120Hz – 22KHz 100Hz – 22KHz (2 stacked together) 80Hz – 22KHz (4 stacked together) Sensitivity (1W at 1m) LF 105dB, MF 105dB, HF 110dB Nominal Impedance LF = 2 x 8 ohms, MF & HF = 8 ohms Power Handling 1100 watts (RMS) LF = 800w, MF = 250w, HF = 50w Maximum SPL Output 135dB continuous, 138dB peak Drivers LF = 2x12”, MF = 1x6.5”, HF = Bullet Connectors 2x Speakon 4 Pole (NL4) Crossover Frequency 120Hz,12dB Butterworth 300Hz,12dB Butterworth 4KHZ, 12dB Butterworth Construction Material 13 laminate 18mm birch plywood Bracing UV orange paint Fixtures 4 x ergonomic handles, plastic feet Finish Textured black paint Dimensions (W) 46cm x (H) 98cm (D) 72cm ------------- .:ELEMENT 5 SYSTEMS:. |
Smiter wrote:Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 1:41pm
both 50hz - 20k http://img864.imageshack.us/i/tfr1510.png/"> http://img857.imageshack.us/i/48379327.png/">  ------------- BbbBBRAAAAPppBBBBbgushhhhhhhhssshhhhhGrAbRAAAAAAPPPPPp = Dubstep |
Posted By: RosscoPico
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 1:49pm
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Very sexy! What do they reproduce at 50Hz.... -3, -6, -10 dB? Also it that in singles / pairs / quads? ------------- .:ELEMENT 5 SYSTEMS:. |
Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 2:07pm
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the tfr could be used as a fullrange cab, single C4 would have to be in 4's, but was designed for kick mid hi only, and boy does it produce a good clean kick, I use them from 90 up above the D21's tfr is a BPH, C4 is a FLH I see you're using a bullet from 4k above a 6.5'' that doesn't have a phase bung, hows that coping? ------------- BbbBBRAAAAPppBBBBbgushhhhhhhhssshhhhhGrAbRAAAAAAPPPPPp = Dubstep |
Posted By: Bm!
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 2:15pm
i do love the look of these, they should definitely win an award for sexiest speaker!
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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 2:17pm
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it's just that when you add a horn to a phase bung'less driver (horn
looks fairly biggish) a lot of the top end from the 6.5 will go for
walkies, this is why you add a phase bung to get it right back up there
again, or lots of EQ ------------- BbbBBRAAAAPppBBBBbgushhhhhhhhssshhhhhGrAbRAAAAAAPPPPPp = Dubstep |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 2:46pm
Have you or anybody else in the UK picked any up yet? Would love to hear them. |
Posted By: Smiter
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 2:54pm
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We'll have ours soon! If you want to hear them then there is demo stock. I'm not sure who else in the UK has them as they've only just been launched but there is some overseas. |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 2:59pm
Thought you might be jumping in, they do look well nice. Give me a shout if you're ever up this neck of the woods with them - demo stock would be nice but I don't really have the cash to make it worth their while at the moment, and I'd feel a little dishonest going in empty handed! 
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Posted By: RosscoPico
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 3:42pm
and...
Your absolutely right Mykey, I agree with what your saying there! When we built our first batch of "Triax" cabinets which were phototypes, although they didn't have any phase bungs initially we'd considered that they'd probably need them and measurements also showed this to be true. An original pic [before phase plugs were fitted];  And here's one after we fitted some;  It's a bit different from some other designs as they are a kind of "inverted conical phase plug", but they do the job just as well. I appreciate that these particular phase plugs are by no means a perfect fit, however they do sit as close as possible to the dust cap of the midrange, only just allowing enough room for driver excursion! The next ones we build will have nicer looking phase plugs, as next time we'll use a lathe so they'll fit exactly to match magnet size of the rear of bullets. I doubt this will make any noticeable "audible" difference really, just an improvement on the aesthetics! ------------- .:ELEMENT 5 SYSTEMS:. |
]Posted By: njw
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 5:52pm
| Martin Audio blackline H3 |
Posted By: Risc_Terilia
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 5:54pm
Ah yeah forgot about those designes. Think Floodlights only do 180 hz up right?
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Posted By: jonnyhonda
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 11:56pm
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+1 on the Martin H3, and for Funktion One with kick surely it would need to be a Res 3? ------------- FFA 10k + 6004, Em Quake, Martin H3 |