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Topic: Smoke Machine in Kevin and Perry Go large?
Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Subject: Smoke Machine in Kevin and Perry Go large?
Date Posted: 17 July 2011 at 2:04pm
So I watched this the other night and in the club there is a part where you just see the crowd and this huge amount of smoke just covers them totally blasting in their face

Was wondering if they just have some mentally powerful crazy smoke machine

mutiple smoke machines firing at it or some special way of doing it, me and my dad were thinking some kind of resovoir where the smoke is kept and blasted out by huge fans or something

short clip at 0:48 in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nENwy9GRyF0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nENwy9GRyF0


I Know its a film etc but I thought systems like this will be in place not that im planning on trying to recreate it just pretty amazed by it...

cheers :)



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Posted By: GAZ.
Date Posted: 17 July 2011 at 2:16pm
I think its a c02 cannon?

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Posted By: mister_pi
Date Posted: 17 July 2011 at 2:27pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej847n0aOHo

One of them, I think its CO2 cannons and air blowers?


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Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 17 July 2011 at 2:29pm
Ahh cool

That would be extremely cold as well wouldn't it? Guess thats a good thing though in a club


Posted By: Chris M
Date Posted: 17 July 2011 at 2:32pm
I believe that exact one was in air in Birmingham at one point

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Posted By: mister_pi
Date Posted: 17 July 2011 at 2:38pm
Yep, CO2 cannons are nice and cool, I want one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz_qrfgjrQw


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Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 17 July 2011 at 2:39pm
Does it act like a smoke machine does the haze hang around or does it dissapear instantly?



Posted By: James Tengo
Date Posted: 17 July 2011 at 3:06pm
Disperses pretty quickly, you need to keep an eye on CO2 levels so not suitable for extended periods of use. For large smoke outputs look at the old Jem Roadie, a 10kw smoke machine.... I'm currently touring one, it's getting a bit long in the tooth now and always gets a raised eyebrow when I request a 32a 3 phase supply for my "small smoke machine"......


Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 17 July 2011 at 3:25pm
I thought as much

For the venues we do the smoke machine we have is adequate a cheapy chauvet 1300W thing not proffesional by your guys standards but it does a good job...

I was just interested in the way they did it


Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 08 August 2011 at 2:29am
I have a question, when I've under a CO2 cannon, it seems to starve the oxygen making it a little hard to breathe, or is that just me?


Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 08 August 2011 at 12:31pm
They used quite a lot of CO2 at Pulse, and whilst it was very hot too, I don't think it helped matters pumping the place full of CO2. Max was ill after one I think.

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Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 08 August 2011 at 1:22pm
mm didnt think about that :/

That amount of c02 can't be good in confined spaces

I suppose if an electrical fire breaks out your sorted for extinguishers....


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 08 August 2011 at 2:47pm
ive been in a club where they bought them in for the night, didnt have suitable ventilation whatsoever, and ended up becoming so dangerous (points where it was a struggle for breath) someone secretly called in the fire&licencing officer who straight away condemned the building for the night and had it evacuated.

It is an awesome effect when used moderately in a well ventilated venue, and very refreshing when the 40degree dancefloor plumets 20degrees in a second - like stepping into a freezer!!


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Posted By: Chris M
Date Posted: 10 August 2011 at 10:12am
Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

ive been in a club where they bought them in for the night, didnt have suitable ventilation whatsoever, and ended up becoming so dangerous (points where it was a struggle for breath) someone secretly called in the fire&licencing officer who straight away condemned the building for the night and had it evacuated.


"Someone" eh ginge Wink


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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 10 August 2011 at 11:52am
CO2 is a heavy gas so sinks in air, if you stand under it that is all you will be breathing.  Too much will kill you, even if you are a plant.

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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 10 August 2011 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by Chris M Chris M wrote:

Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

ive been in a club where they bought them in for the night, didnt have suitable ventilation whatsoever, and ended up becoming so dangerous (points where it was a struggle for breath) someone secretly called in the fire&licencing officer who straight away condemned the building for the night and had it evacuated.


"Someone" eh ginge Wink


hah wasnt me, the persons identity is private due to relationships with the venue!



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Posted By: Pirlo
Date Posted: 10 August 2011 at 7:16pm
Ya can find an install in amnesia (ibiza) and cocoon (frankfurt/main), if ya want to buy it, and have the pennys needed, here is the manufacturer from the cocoon-install:
http://www.cryofex.de/index.html" rel="nofollow -
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Posted By: mister_pi
Date Posted: 10 August 2011 at 8:05pm
Pirlo, those are liquid nitrogen, not CO2..

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Posted By: Pirlo
Date Posted: 10 August 2011 at 8:52pm
The topic was " Smoke-Machine in Kevin and Perry Go large", isn´t!?
According to this, they use a system like shown in the link before - easy as that!

Quote What is Cryo-Fog?

The term “cryo” means very cold temperature. To produce fog, normal liquified gases are used. Instead of normal glycolbased fog (“Disco-Fog”), Cryo-Fog visualizes only the humidity of the air. This is the same effect, like opening the bathrooms´ window in winter and fog comes in or, as another example, like breathing out “clouds” in cold air. Since Cryo-Fog doesn’t bring in any humidity into the room-air, there is no condensity on walls or floors.

The colder the gas and the dampier the air of the location is, the more fog you can create. When the air gets warmer, the fog disappears immediatly.

Which liquified gases can I use?

You can use all non-toxic, non-flammable liquified gases for cryo-effects. The colder the gas, the better the fog. Liquid Helium seems to be perfect because of its temperature of –269°C, but it is very expensive. The best cost-efficiency has Liquid Nitrogen (called LIN or LN2, -196°C), Liquid Carbondioxyd (called LCO, -78°C, or Dry-Ice) and Liquid Air (called LAX, -186 °C).


Liquid Nitrogen
Pro: Huge pure white clouds of fog possible, good cost-efficiency, good disposability, non-toxic, no-smell, even in high quantities no harm since air contains nitrogen
Contra: higher material effort, not suitable for small-locations

CO2
Pro: less material effort to build system, good disposability
Contra: Much less fog than LIN since the higher temperature of only –78°C than –196°C of LIN, fog makes tired, in higher concentration toxic, use of gas-cylinders expensive and can only last for 35seconds per cylinder, fog smells fust, fog only greywhite, Dry-Ice Fog is always wet

Synthetic Air
Pro: can be used in small venues, On-Site-Production
Contra: through condensation of Liquid Oxygen raised fire-protection needed, On-Site-Production starts at € 100.000.-, bad disposability for mobil-services, needs very high standards of material


Wink



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Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 10 August 2011 at 9:50pm
See using Liquid nitrogen if it starved the club of oxygen like an earlier poster suggested with the c02 would it give the same effect as taking one of them there hippy crack balloons?


Posted By: mister_pi
Date Posted: 10 August 2011 at 10:13pm
Nope, Nitrogen isn't nitrous oxide. Though while Nitrogen isn't as toxic as CO2, its not going to do you much good if you breath nothing else..



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Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 16 August 2011 at 9:04pm
We fitted a system in a club down here for NYE... 2 x solenoid valve heads with hook clamps on, and a firing box, with heavy duty hoses running to BIG co2 bottles (like the 5ft high o2 bottles used in oxy acetylene welding gear). You only got about 30 seconds of continuous jets from the bottles before they were done, so only used for quick 3-4 second bursts - we used a couple to 'test' them before the club was open! Amnesia must have a massive tank full of the stuff and empty it daily to get that effect, but i can tell you its very welcome in there - was bloody busy when i visited! Eden out there also have a system.

Great effect but overused it's dangerous and a bit much, loses its effectiveness. I remember reading that Amnesia need a certain type of ventilation / fan / ducting arrangement to get rid of it all quick and reventilate the room.



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