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Topic: DUAL 18 SELENIUM MODIFICATION
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Subject: DUAL 18 SELENIUM MODIFICATION
Date Posted: 20 July 2006 at 12:50pm
http://www.selenium.com.br/site2004/downloads/projetos/HB1805C1_p.pdf - http://www.selenium.com.br/site2004/downloads/projetos/HB1805C1_p.pdf
 
I really like the look of this plan and think its something that i could build.  I was thinking of using a different driver as i can get a good deal on the v18 from a friend.  would this driver work with the current plan or would i need to change the chamber volume?  i would also like to know if anyone has thought of extending the horn using a separate flared section like some home theatre buff did with the lab sub.
 
Peace


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Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 20 July 2006 at 5:13pm
This Selenium box design reminds me of  the Cerwin Vega SL36 .


Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 4:35am
Be carefull as there are still a lot of venues with narrow entrance doors and once you get over 750mm(plus wheels) you will not be able to get your cabinets into the building---this tends to be the older venues as due to current health and safety legislation,doorways in modern buildings are a lot wider to accomodate wheelchairs etc.


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 9:01am
I had a close look at this plan a long time ago. And the people I spoke to said the horn was to short to get any useful depth/throw, especially with 18" drivers.

Someone, some where, on some forum once wrote "Longest horn always wins". Quake MSE 118/Lab seem to be good examples of this.




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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 10:28am
i was thinking something like this....
 
http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/">


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 10:32am
so the two pieces come away from each other and can be strapped together when needed...  something like this would allow to use the box without the horn extender if for some reason you didnt want too.
 
its still a dual 18 cab and is still 1m high as per plans.


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 10:41am

or maybe like this?

 
http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/"> http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/ -


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 11:57pm
Hi HBL!
you wont need a horn extension (barn door) on them cab's
i have heard them and they are still with out dought the best cab's i have ever heard.
And trust me i have heard some bin's in my time 


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Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 2:55am
heatrow, I would vote for the second plan , the first one expands too fast in the final stage

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 8:03am

thanks nexus!!!  i saw them in the link you posted on another thread and they just jumped off the page at me.  i like the simple design and the way its such a small cab but uses the maximum horn length possible.

i will start building soon, i want to build 4 cabs loaded with 8 void v18's.  do you think i will need to modiy the plan at all?

my plan is to build the cabs as they plans out of birch and build some trial extenders out of 18 mm mdf... i have thought of a mad plan using a huge 5 to 6 m horn.

i dont think i'll use cad but i'll scan a drawing in to show u what i'm thinking...

this plans just seems like what i want as its not to big, uses 2 18's and is manageable.  the labs just seem like there a bridge too far



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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 8:59am
mykey where have you been lately?!  seems like havent seen u post in ages man!

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 24 July 2006 at 8:39am
http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/">
  http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/">


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 24 July 2006 at 8:44am
I HAVE BEEN THINKING that instead of having the cab dimensions as 80x80x100cm.... why not have it 100x100x80 cm as it doesnt seem to make it unmanageable.   im stuck on the flARE PROFILE! how do you calculate/design this part of the cab?  any ideas ppl?

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Posted By: Jay Lawless
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 2:55am
Hornresp, devide each area into diffrent sections and whatnot. it will tell you all what info it needs. this will give it a pretty accurate model of the responce. and sence it's a dual 18", make sure you tell the program that there are multiple drivers.
 
also a helpful hint, the program doesn't model to well above 500/600/700/800hz *to what others have mentioned before*. but no need to worry sense it's ment for bass application.


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 4:40am
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

Hi HBL!
<-SNIP->the best cab's i have ever heard.
And trust me i have heard some bin's in my time 


Mykey, could you give us a bit more info on this?

  1. In your estimation, what was the freq response of this "cab"?
  2. The cab you listened to, was it loaded with the intended Seleniums, or loaded with something else?
  3. Where they crossed over to mid top cab, or to kick cab?
I have seen adverts on ebay, and few web forums where Guy's have made these cabs tried them out for a while and then sold them unloaded.

Preferring to use drivers in something else. So I'm a bit suprised to hear that they are "that good".





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Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 5:50am
member_profile.asp?PF=126&FID=20 - levyte357

those selenium horn Projects are meant to work in large numbers 4 per sife minimum

I suspect that those people who made them didn't use enough of them to realise their potential , and just ditched them


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 7:03am
Originally posted by Nexus_3 Nexus_3 wrote:

member_profile.asp?PF=126&FID=20 - levyte357
those selenium horn Projects are meant to work in large numbers 4 per sife minimum

I suspect that those people who made them didn't use enough of them to realise their potential , and just ditched them


Correct me if I'm wrong, but that means 8 18"'s per side minimum !!!!!!!!?

I dont "really" like scoops anymore, but have you heard in a single stack what 8 scoops (ASS/1850), 8 WSX_V18 or 8 Looneys(V18), 8 b'lines(1850) sound like with 1.2k of crown behind each driver?

IMHO, I can see why they are are not as popular as the above or labs/punishers, but I guess I have to hear what 8 of 'em sound like..

When are yours gonna be ready HBL?








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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 8:48am

i intend to use 4 cabs a side... so i think i will be ok.

i also intend to extend the horn length by 20cm with a slightly different flare.  i dont think this will make any big difference to the original plan.  or will it guys?
 
i plan to power 4 cabs with two t.amp 3000 prolines.  so they will be slightly underpowered but i havent got the money to put any more power into them.
 
i also plan to run 3 mt121's to 4 bass cabs.
 
and finally i also PLAN to have one ready in three weeks but as with past history i find it abit difficult getting things started so i wouldnt wait for my levyte if your in need urgently.  i could make one out of mdf quickly but its sorting out birch ply which is bogging me down at the moment.


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Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 2:40pm
Originally posted by Heathrow_B_line Heathrow_B_line wrote:

i intend to use 4 cabs a side... so i think i will be ok.

i also intend to extend the horn length by 20cm with a slightly different flare.  i dont think this will make any big difference to the original plan.  or will it guys?
 
i plan to power 4 cabs with two t.amp 3000 prolines.  so they will be slightly underpowered but i havent got the money to put any more power into them.
 
i also plan to run 3 mt121's to 4 bass cabs.
 
and finally i also PLAN to have one ready in three weeks but as with past history i find it abit difficult getting things started so i wouldnt wait for my levyte if your in need urgently.  i could make one out of mdf quickly but its sorting out birch ply which is bogging me down at the moment.


Making them bigger is a BAD ideea

they are simply huge as they are now.

you will gain verry little extension with a 20 cm flare extension

do you really want to find yourself at 40 Years of age not being able to lift more than 10Kg  at a time because of the back problems developed while moving Large subs?

I have learned my lesson  early, and I  have friends in the business who would do anything to turn back the time.

the 2 things that can fail verry easily while working in this domain are your Ears and your back, both are  ireversible


ah , and please learn how to use hornresp
guessing and horns don't really go well together


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 5:31am
Well i do own 6 double 15 selenium boxes loaded with Eminence KappaPro15LF.
Stacked all together they are brutal i the kick region but dont go as deep as i would like to.
Also they are big and not very practical so soon they will be on sale or firewood.
Now i have 12 18Sound 18W800 doing nothing so i will model a horn soon for them and make HD15's for the kappas.
 
So, go single and you will have more space for longer horn.


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 6:26am
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

Hi HBL!
<-SNIP->the best cab's i have ever heard.
And trust me i have heard some bin's in my time 


Mykey, could you give us a bit more info on this?

  1. In your estimation, what was the freq response of this "cab"?
  2. The cab you listened to, was it loaded with the intended Seleniums, or loaded with something else?
  3. Where they crossed over to mid top cab, or to kick cab?
I have seen adverts on ebay, and few web forums where Guy's have made these cabs tried them out for a while and then sold them unloaded.

Preferring to use drivers in something else. So I'm a bit suprised to hear that they are "that good".



They were loaded with the sellenium drivers
i was a mile away with a clear view across a bay at the system and the ground felt like it was moving, so you can guess i had to go an investigate.
 
There were 4 doubles per side with the selenium horn loaded 2x12 and horn above
and i have never ever heard anything so tight punchy and heavenly as those 2 stack's that day.
the mid was like an axe going through my head, and you couldnt get with in 10 feet of the bin's, that were run off Crowns 
 
they made the bins with the 1'' ply which to me made a big differance
 
the next day i heard a brand new EV line array, a Dynacorde that was nice, and a crap JBL line array
 
none of them came close to the sellenium system, all made buy a local chippy with the drawings straight from the sellenium sight
 
they will be using it again this year and i cant wait, ill take some pic's this time
 
i can find out the exact mid they built if you like?
 
an Ausy  friend of mine here has 16 of those EAW LA400 bins and 16 full range 15'' 12'' + horn cabs,  and he cant touch it for lows, punch clarity and levels, and it probably cost 20 times as much
 
i am making these bins as singles with 1'' birch at 600mm wide, if anybody is interested PM me
 
good luck
 


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Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 8:02am
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

i am making these bins as singles with 1'' birch at 600mm wide.

now that is a genuinely useful modification to the design, as is they wouldn't get into my storage (living room) or most of the venues we play at. clearly you aren't just hacking it in half to make a single driver variant, but have you hornresp'd your way to 600mm, or is that just an educated guess?

james.

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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 9:52am
it's an educated guess, but surely this would only be an improvement ?
 
and it's only 75mm added to the original when cut in half.
 
1000mm - 50mm for the ply = 950 divide by 2 = 475
 
475 + 75 = 550 + 50 = 600
 
bigger mouth, bigger driver chamber
 
could even do it 580 total.
 
and still stack them on there sides as the original, or upright (bottom to bottom) like the t18
 
edit. james! not even the 60ft wall of martin F2 sounded as good as the Selenium rig, and remember i dont do drugs so i wasnt influenced in anyway


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Posted By: gingerbiscuit69
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 11:41am
i have built a pair of those selenium dual 12" and horns ... i am yet to find some bass to go under that overpowers them!!

aiming for 2 of the midtops, 4 186's and 2 X1's per side... just for sh*ts and giggles!


Posted By: james folkes
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

it's an educated guess, but surely this would only be an improvement ?

and it's only 75mm added to the original when cut in half.

now therin lies the rub, and is part of a subject i hope to raise in this section before too long. bifurcated horns... to what extent do dual driver horns "share" the horn path, would the single driver variant infact be significantly more than half of the dual version? fiddling in hornresp isn't getting me too far as i don't know if, once you have set it to dual drivers, if the doubling of vtc, atc, vrc etc will accurately represent the dual chambers and throats of something like a martin 215.

i have a sneaking suspicion that the single driver versions may disapoint slightly, multiple driver horns do seem to exhibit some rather cool properties.


1000mm - 50mm for the ply = 950 divide by 2 = 475

475 + 75 = 550 + 50 = 600

bigger mouth, bigger driver chamber

could even do it 580 total.

and still stack them on there sides as the original, or upright (bottom to bottom) like the t18.

seems as good a way as any of going about it, on a purely guesswork front. thing is you could actually model it reasonably accurately for single drivers in hornresp (one would have thought, see discussions of neverwinter's 18" punisher and ceharden's 15 hornsub over in new projects forum for interpretation of vtc, atc and horn length for Vee wedge style throats). i'd definitely do that before comitting to building as they are clearly designed to be used in big piles and you'd never know if your mod had worked until it was too late!

edit. james! not even the 60ft wall of martin F2 sounded as good as the Selenium rig, and remember i dont do drugs so i wasnt influenced in anyway.

better than that brute? freeow! now i am seriously impressed... drugs make music sound cool by the way, perhaps you might concede a quick baloon of nitrous oxide? it's over awfully quick and gives a fantastic plate reverb...

james.



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Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 10:13pm

From a casual glace the Selenium bin is very similar to the classic CV SL36 bin. Crossection wise the Selenium is a bit smaller than the CV SL36. I presume it has a shorter horn than the CV. Just making an observation.



Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 27 July 2006 at 12:55am
when we were experimenting with the XXl bin, we had 5 attempts, and each one was a bonus for the sound, each attempt was a slight widening of the cab as well as making the driver chamber bigger and the scoop flare rate different
 
my mate phil also suggested using the hollow void where 2 of the wheels, and 2 handles sat to make the driver chamber bigger ( think it was 25ltr's extra)
the last attempt was a widening to 610mm
 
then we were satisfied
 
so making the selenium slightly wider as a single can only be a + i think


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Posted By: angus
Date Posted: 27 July 2006 at 6:25am
Originally posted by james, ind.st james, ind.st wrote:


drugs make music sound cool by the way, perhaps you might concede a quick baloon of nitrous oxide? it's over awfully quick and gives a fantastic plate reverb...

james.



laughing my ass off! (and not even on gas at the moment ) this is exactly right. someone was trying to describe the effect to me at Glade as i'd only done it a couple of times before out in a field somewhere and not very effectively. managed to perfect technique over the weekend and it's very very funny and strange as well. i'd also recommend trying with a bit of liquid inside you. from zero visuals to full screen red/green digitisation (in sync with the plate reverb as well) - fanatastic fun!

the constant sound of 'psssshhhhh' over the weekend did get a bit tiring, but hey, it's probably jealousy on my part that our group ran out so early on rather than anything else...

has it been said yet? glade was awesome


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 August 2006 at 1:28pm
what if you used the extender as a u bend type thing and the walls of the cabinet as part of the horn mouth?
 
like this...
 
http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/">


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 02 August 2006 at 11:51pm
theirs no top and bottom, and it could do with being a little less wide.
still a good idea though


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 03 August 2006 at 3:08am
yea its not to scale.... as i havent modelled it in hornresp.  the top couly be a sheet u put on top and the bottom the floor....
 
would be a massively long horn lenth though.


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Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 05 August 2006 at 6:14am
Nice idea,as  you get REALLY big,you end up doubling the total volume to an enormous size with small gains.


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 07 August 2006 at 6:44pm
any one know how these compare to the 15" version that weve just built? [pressumingly they are as similar as i think they are]


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Posted By: gingerbiscuit69
Date Posted: 07 August 2006 at 6:52pm
same idea, just a different tuning and size for the different drivers.


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 07 August 2006 at 6:55pm
iirc it has almost identical horn length, mouth are a and frequency range [ie 40<200hz in larger stacks] but id imagine the bigger cone area would matter, alough ........

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Posted By: unknown_artist
Date Posted: 08 August 2006 at 2:11pm
Why do you like to modificate those enclosures? I'm using 8 pieces of those  http://www.tabaudio.de/skhorn.jpg - http://www.tabaudio.de/skhorn.jpg   ,and it's quite enough output (when you use less than 4 its helpful to have good controller setting - but its louder than an Bassreflex enclosure which has got the same size).
Here are some measurements http://www.paforum.de/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=43461&highlight=bastelhorn - http://www.paforum.de/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=43461&highlight=bastelhorn
I'm sorry for my bad english...



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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 08 August 2006 at 2:19pm
bad english?
that was better punctuated [and probably made more sense] than most of my posts,


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 12:50pm

Hi guys

im ready to build this but need some help...  could anyone with some free time on their hands and is experienced in using hornresp plz pm me!
 
cheers
 
ps ive settled for the pd186 driver.  comments?


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 1:27pm
http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/">

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 1:44pm
scoop-tastic style
http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/">


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Posted By: unknown_artist
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 2:11pm
That doesn't make sense. what do you think will be the advantage of your modifications(yeah i know, you need more trucks to transport those constructions)....

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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 3:07pm
lower cutoff...

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Posted By: unknown_artist
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 3:30pm
stack two or four of them - and you've got a lower cutoff and more output...the design works really good without those modifications(which are not small and need a lot of transport space)

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Posted By: gingerbiscuit69
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 4:16pm
good without, better with...!


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 4:36pm
by coupling and increasing mouth size you will gain a slightly lower cutoff, but the horn length still sets the most efficient pass band iirc, so if you actualy wanted to get alot lower... good with better without... not entirely practical though....

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Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 4:06am
Heatrow, STOP !

you are going in the wrong direction!

what is the biggest sub you had to move on a regular basis

why modify a sub that works well ?


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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 4:09am
doesnt it only extend to 50hz? id say that lack extension, depending on music...

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Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 4:33am
if you are not satisfied with the extension , look for something else

making an already huge cabinet larger is a verry BAD ideea , as I have the impression that you want to build a portable rig, not something for an install




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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 5:50am
you are verymuch right there! it isnt a sub realy is it, more an all round bass hor, stick sub under it......... thats the way im moveing in...

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Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 7:30am

So you want 186 on this horn,for some reason,and flare extension as well?

 Its just interesting how some go for little drivers and longer horn,and some go for 18"s or MULTIPLE 18"s on a short horn



Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 10:56am

the 15" version we just built is huge! [doesnt fit through a door]

100cm x 76cmx 76cm .......

they wont fit through our door,
i think your better of putting a proper sub under them..... like a lab horn [or4/6] and using a good set of mid tops, than trying to extend t he response down lower...
 
hmmmmmm, i like that idea a lot!!!


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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by tb_mike tb_mike wrote:

So you want 186 on this horn,for some reason,and flare extension as well?

 Its just interesting how some go for little drivers and longer horn,and some go for 18"s or MULTIPLE 18"s on a short horn

 
it takes all sorts i guess.
 
what i want is both of the above... big driver and longer horn.
 
time is running out as i want to start this by the weekend, otherwise i'll resort to the original plan of building labs and hd215s. 
 
lets try and clarify this project specification...
 
1.  must use an 18" driver.  it would be nice if it was p.d. or something of similar quality/availibility.
2.  be a sub and play low freq
3.  be able to fit through a door
4.  size unlimited [see note 3]
5.  be used in groups of 6 or 8
6. max height to be no more then 2m stacked in groups
7,  width of stack unlimited
8.  not be overly power hungry
 
i hope this clears up things for ppl who want to help...
 
the size is not a problem as if it gets too big we can always split it into single 18's.
 
lets not worry about the extension for now.


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Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:47pm
http://www.speakerstore.nl/index.php?l=nl&pg=11&c=18 - http://www.speakerstore.nl/index.php?l=nl&pg=11&c=18 ? PM sent.


Posted By: mobiele eenheid
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 3:14am

Perhaps make the horn fit (totally) in the extension during transport. Using some parts that flip, the extension with horn will be just little larger (say 5 cm in each direction) than the original.

This way a 18" horn with 12410 cm2 moutharea, 245 cm length, 60 ltr rear chamber can be fitted into 65 x 65 x 130 cm when packed (60% of unpacked version) while still nicely braced.



Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 7:42am
The  18" horn that tb Mike from NZ suggested above is the simplest to build but very large and heavy. It should be a killer sub.


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 12:55pm

i give up!

i dont have the technicaly ability to make this work so i wont waste my money trying to bodge it.
 
i'll go with the module horn instead.... 
 
http://www.speakerstore.nl/index.php?l=nl&pg=11&c=17 - http://www.speakerstore.nl/index.php?l=nl&pg=11&c=17
 
thanks for your help mike. 


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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 12:55pm

i give up!

i dont have the technicaly ability to make this work so i wont waste my money trying to bodge it.
 
i'll go with the module horn instead.... 
 
http://www.speakerstore.nl/index.php?l=nl&pg=11&c=17 - http://www.speakerstore.nl/index.php?l=nl&pg=11&c=17
 
thanks for your help mike. 
 
the end


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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: gingerbiscuit69
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 10:13am
whats your facination with huge designs?


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 10:41am
same as mine... large horn generaly = very low cut off... low cut off = nice sub bass [if designed well]

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me so horny me love you long throw
horn loaded for her pleasure


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by gingerbiscuit69 gingerbiscuit69 wrote:

whats your facination with huge designs?
 
bigger toys for bigger boys...


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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: godathunder
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 1:57pm
penile insecurity

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LOUDER THAN LOUD


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by godathunder godathunder wrote:

penile insecurity
 
ive never been insecure about the size of my horn... it measures 76cm x 76cm x 100cm...
its in my mates garden,,, cant fit it through her back door


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me so horny me love you long throw
horn loaded for her pleasure


Posted By: godathunder
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 2:44pm
mine are about 65x65x130cm
 
 
so there


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LOUDER THAN LOUD


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by godathunder godathunder wrote:

penile insecurity
 
 
i am fairly satisfied with the state of our prisons for the time being...
 
 


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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by godathunder godathunder wrote:

mine are about 65x65x130cm
 
 
so there
woooooagh! fair play,,,,,there ya go. godathunders horn is bigger than yours!
i cant compete!


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me so horny me love you long throw
horn loaded for her pleasure


Posted By: godathunder
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 2:55pm
but having said that they are quite old and not as virile as some of the younger horns although once in a while they still keep up all night
 
ps. heathrow Im ignoring your reply on the grounds that it was funnier than mine


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LOUDER THAN LOUD


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 11:38pm
quote.HBL...i am fairly satisfied with the state of our prisons for the time being...
 
 
[/QUOTE] im not! why dont we pay the Russian government allot less money than what we pay to keep our prisoner's comfy, and instead send all our prisoner's to Russia 
(instead of making "Stravens" speakers in the warm)
breaking rocks in the freazing cold.
they wont break the law again i bet
 


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......just all them hanging there like giant bananas.



Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 4:19am
Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

quote.HBL...i am fairly satisfied with the state of our prisons for the time being...
 
 
im not! why dont we pay the Russian government allot less money than what we pay to keep our prisoner's comfy, and instead send all our prisoner's to Russia 
(instead of making "Stravens" speakers in the warm)
breaking rocks in the freazing cold.
they wont break the law again i bet
 
[/QUOTE]
 
i hate it when these foreigners diss our country! 


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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.



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