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Topic: Whatever happened to?
Posted By: The Builder
Subject: Whatever happened to?
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 8:43am
I'll start:
 
Goodmans
WEM


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 8:58am
 Goodmans(well the name) is still going,high street Chinese retail tat. ...just type it into ebay,and it shows up 3000+ items of cheap nasty plastic rubbish.

To add to "the Whatever happened to list"...

Vitavox.
Zoot horn.



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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 8:59am
Oh,and of course,a real big one,

Gauss.


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Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 9:43am
Baker

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 11:02am
i see your Baker,and raise you MM.

Good game this! Approve

(edit,it has to be a name that isnt around now,not just a chinese badged vesrion of its former self,like Studiomaster,HH,Citronic,etc.)


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Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 11:33am
September Sound - mixers
Tuac - disco stuff
BMG - amplifiers
Mega - loudspeakers
 
back in the days when Britain used to make things.......


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Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 11:36am
Mega still in flightcase game I think, CP Cases??
 
Turner
 
Aslo some Bose type (lots of small drivers) speakers, think it stared with a K ?


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 11:42am
Thats some good ones Chris.

Lyon Forge!

 (Although probually a blessing they aren't around if anyone actually saw the inside of one of their amps.)

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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 12:01pm
Hill Audio?
Trio?
Sangs!
Harrison - are they still on the go?


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 12:15pm
Bit of QI trivia Gavin....Trio (japanese of course) were actually called kenwood in Japan,however in the 1970's when Laskys were the importers of Kenwood,they had to re-badge them as Trio,as there was some trademark issue with the existing Kenwood name,ie Kenwood chef food mixers etc.




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Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by The Builder The Builder wrote:

Mega still in flightcase game I think, CP Cases??
  
Aslo some Bose type (lots of small drivers) speakers, think it stared with a K ?
Kudos  ???

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Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 12:54pm
There were also some 12" low efficancy high power drivers that the name escapes me.
I THINK BK Elecronics used to do them?
 


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 1:02pm
KLH.  American speaker firm,used to make enormous low-efficiency hifi cabinets.

Soundout.
TK electronics (Discosound).

Because we all like looking at pictures.....some KLH examples.circa 1970's.










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Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 1:52pm
Aces - pretty much an MM replacement that John (Robbo) used to do.
Paice - electronics
White - brilliant graphics
Eastmill - loudspeakers


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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 1:55pm
Aimor - Hi-Fi made in japan!

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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 2:47pm
What ever happened to Leon Trotsky?
LOL






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Posted By: oldskool
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 4:40pm
OK then let's throw these in the ring:-
 
Saxon (did they ever make anything good?)
Eurosound (used to make standard disco gear generally covered in orange vynide)
DJ Electronics
JPS Amplifiers
Simms Watts
 
Were those inefficient drivers called Titan by any chance or am I just rambling?
 


Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 4:45pm
I remember Titan, think Colin got one in an H/H cab I sent him.

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Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 4:49pm
JPS amplifiers, now that's a brand that you don't see on the second hand market often.

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Posted By: oldskool
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 4:58pm
We had four JPS modules in the rig at one time, I think two were 110 watts each and the others were 170 watts each. We actually did a gig for 1000 people alongside Liquid Gold who were the band for the evening, guessing this was about 1981. Tell you what, we didn't actually need any more power that night. What happened to all those real watts?  
 
Oh and how about Orion Lighting and the wonderful Spirochaser? As it happens I know where to find Larry Wooden the old proprietor but do miss them.


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 5:07pm
Whatever happened to......

My hair! LOL

Re JPS,the JB's monster road show from Harrow had four of those,sounded nice back at the time.
I have only ever seen one for sale on ebay in 10 years.


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Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 5:29pm
Simms Watts brand was August
I think this was to do with the address or visa versa, August House.
 


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Posted By: London Sound1
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 5:41pm
Linear not to be confused with Phase Linear (USA), these were a self build valve amp (from Wireless world), We had a 30w and a 50w.
Traynor



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Posted By: Steve_B
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by Nachural Nachural wrote:

Aces - pretty much an MM replacement that John (Robbo) used to do.
Paice - electronics
White - brilliant graphics
Eastmill - loudspeakers

Wasn’t Aces a spin off (that’s not the right term but hopefully some pedant will step in) from Custom Sound of Oswestry?

Another speaker co was Richard Allan.



Posted By: GregM
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 7:00pm
The mecca that was Tottenham Court Road?

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Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 8:27pm
Steve-B
Quote  Wasn’t Aces a spin off (that’s not the right term but hopefully some pedant will step in) from Custom Sound of Oswestry?
 
Definitely from that part of the country, hopefully John (Robbo) can confirm if he sees this thread.


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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 9:10pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

Oh,and of course,a real big one,

Gauss.

Got bought out by EV who then nicked the basket design and folded the company.


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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 9:13pm
What about Court acoustics! is he still going?
ILP (used to make amp's) 
Calne cabinet makers (think that's how it's spelt) they used to do most of the woodwork for Citronic.



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Posted By: oldskool
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 9:27pm
ILP amps!!! Didn't it stand for Ian L Potts? Am sure I met the guy at one time. Either that or my early exposure to Carlsberg all those years ago truly did cause some neural re-wiring. Didn't Terralec or some other southend based oufit sell the modules? 


Posted By: orangutan
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 9:27pm
Traynor   ?

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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by oldskool oldskool wrote:

ILP amps!!! Didn't it stand for Ian L Potts? Am sure I met the guy at one time. Either that or my early exposure to Carlsberg all those years ago truly did cause some neural re-wiring. Didn't Terralec or some other southend based oufit sell the modules? 

No don't think so, we used to buy them in from French France, nice little amp's for the money but not very powerful though.


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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 9:41pm
Maybe your right! they're still about! don't look very French though Embarrassed

http://www.ilpelectronics.com/index.asp" rel="nofollow - http://www.ilpelectronics.com/index.asp


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 10:03pm
Haahaa,that ILP website brings back memories of the dreaded puff of black smoke from the modules!....they even still look the same.I bought two around 1975,one lasted a week,the other a month. Utter rubbish.I replaced them with second hand HH ic100's.


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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 10:06pm
That's odd Ian we used them for background music sites without problems, but it was very low volume stuff.

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Posted By: Nachural
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 10:07pm

Yes ILP are based in Ashford and still in business. Range of modules doesn’t seemed to have changed that much in all these years.

As for Court I believe they are still in existence http://www.courtacoustics.net/ramjet.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.courtacoustics.net/ramjet.htm but I’m not sure how active they are these days. Seem to remember Steven’s son posted on here a while back.



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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 10:15pm
Originally posted by colint colint wrote:

That's odd Ian we used them for background music sites without problems, but it was very low volume stuff.


Yup,fair play Colin,it was my early disco days,school woodwork shop stuff,so probually a right old mix of weird impedances all wired together with bell wire didnt help.


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 10:32pm
Back on thread,are Austin Armstrong still around?

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Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 24 January 2012 at 3:32am
Originally posted by London Sound1 London Sound1 wrote:

Linear not to be confused with Phase Linear (USA), these were a self build valve amp (from Wireless world), We had a 30w and a 50w.
Traynor



taken over by fal at leeds that went bust


Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 24 January 2012 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by colint colint wrote:

What about Court acoustics! is he still going?
IIRC Stephen & his family run an arts centre/venue the west country Tavistock Devon I believe. I think someone on this forum works there but can't remember who.
http://www.tavistockwharf.com/general.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.tavistockwharf.com/general.php
He still has a website selling his Ramjet systems, which are also used in his venue.
http://www.courtacoustics.net/" rel="nofollow - http://www.courtacoustics.net/ .


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 24 January 2012 at 3:12pm
Originally posted by orangutan orangutan wrote:

Traynor   ?
Here:  http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?type=9&cat=57&id=340" rel="nofollow - http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?type=9&cat=57&id=340


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Posted By: Dondilly
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 4:15am
Originally posted by burningbush burningbush wrote:

Hill Audio?
Trio?
Sangs!
Harrison - are they still on the go?


Hill Audio still exists.
Im not sure on dates but from what I have been able to find out , Malcolm sold the electronics side of the business (amps/mixers etc ) approx 10 years ago along with use of the Hill Audio name for those product ranges and since folded. Rights to the brand for those products is now owned by a chinese company
http://www.hill-audio.com

However It appears that Malcolm retained the rights to the speaker designs, and the  original Logo and trades as Hill Speaker systems
.http://www.hillspeakersystems.co.uk.
from my time there, Hill Audio was always just the amps, crossovers and mixers. The speaker cabs were built primarily for their own PA rigs and possibly to order.

Operating out of the same business address is Rock tech a PA lighting Installation and Hire company that lists Malcolm Hill as a consultant and believed to be run by Malcolm's son.
http://www.rock-tech.co.uk






Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 11:50am
Hopefully, some of these comments and info will spark off something else in peoples memories. This is obviously a thread for older members, hopefully, our younger members won't glaze over too soon.

Wem. Still making Echo units. were pioneers with early PA and amps. should have remained at the top, but the brothers were born in the wrong decade.

Vitavox. Probably still making MOD stuff, which was their main thrust. They had an interesting factory from an engineering point of view.

Zoot Horn. An early horn bin system. weren't around very long.

Guass. They suffered because the speakers were not their main product. The main product was 64-1 tape duplicating machines. Decca and EMI had them.

Mega. Chris Sherwin and Pete Ross. Still doing stuff, but not Rock and Roll.

Turner. Mike Turner sold up and moved out years ago.

Lyon Forge. The man behind this is still active in Southend.

Harrison. Mike dissapeared to the Isle of Sark, probably to dig up some of his treasure.

Red. A blast from the past. Made small speakers only. came and went.

Soundout. Todd Wells. Went on to do big desks as Soudtracs and then onto to digital. was the first person to import Piezos. Motorola was the only one at the time.

TK. Dave Woods, another Southend man. Gave up and started a small courier company.

Paice Another Dave Collins involvement. 

White. Bill White in Sunderland. A copy of Orange with an obvious difference. 

JPS. New the boys well. No big capital to see it through.

DJ Electronics. Another Southend Company. They enjoyed success in the '70's.

Simms Watts. Dave Simms and Rick Watts. Quite striking gear at the time. I think it was Dave Simms who went on to do one of the first electronic drum kits. I could be wrong here, because the kit was known as Simmons I think. Who Knows. Simms Watts used RCF speakers in their cabs.

Vampower. My first 6 ch PA amp. Made by Geoff Johnson in Purley. At the time, around six other people were using the amp and badging it including Jennings (after vox) and Spectrum who were a band called Middle of the Road. Johnson also sold it under his own name.

Customsound. Barry Phillips. Nice Guy. Not Rock and Roll though. Not sure whether he ever connected with his customers.

Traynor. From Canada. Still making gear.

Austin Armstrong. Stopped when Dave ended his Life. His main man is on this forum.

Fal. They were also the Holding company for Fane in the early days.

S A I. I think it stood for Sound Advise Installations. Saw the product in the early days but never got involved.

Eastmill. Use to be called Westmill in Scotland. It became Eastmill when Neil moved south. He now fits luxury boats out. Has an office in Guilford.

Selmer. My first PA columns. No more PA but still involved in Brass and woodwind. which is what the company has always been about.

Reslo mics. My first mic on a Goosekneck. 

Vox. did a lot of pa stuff in the '60's Columns only though.

S.S.E. Was a brand before John adopted it. I believe it stood for Scenic Sounds Entertainment. 

Spectrum. This company was started by the Band that did Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep. All Premises, no product. It failed.

E.S.E. Eric Snowball was a prominent player in the PA game. Did Roy Orbison and Jeff Beck tours etc. Had his own cans made. I think he still has his shop in Maidstone. 1 Upper Fant Street. Eric was and probably still is a Pedal steel player. His son Matt, who a lot more of you will know, is big in back line hire.

Well my mind has now gone blank, and I haven't even started on the Scotch yet, but more will come I'm sure. These are people who at one time or another did enter into PA. In the early days a lot of back line companies did it, including Marshall. which has just reminded me of another one.

Thor. Jim Marshall's son along with an incredible guitar player called Dave Roberts started this. It didn't last. Dave went to New Zealand or the other place close by.

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 12:06pm
Thanks for that Tony,amazing memory you have,the sage of all things audio.

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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Hopefully, some of these comments and info will spark off something else in peoples memories. This is obviously a thread for older members, hopefully, our younger members won't glaze over too soon.

Wem. Still making Echo units. were pioneers with early PA and amps. should have remained at the top, but the brothers were born in the wrong decade.

Vitavox. Probably still making MOD stuff, which was their main thrust. They had an interesting factory from an engineering point of view.

Zoot Horn. An early horn bin system. weren't around very long.

Guass. They suffered because the speakers were not their main product. The main product was 64-1 tape duplicating machines. Decca and EMI had them.

Mega. Chris Sherwin and Pete Ross. Still doing stuff, but not Rock and Roll.

Turner. Mike Turner sold up and moved out years ago.

Lyon Forge. The man behind this is still active in Southend.

Harrison. Mike dissapeared to the Isle of Sark, probably to dig up some of his treasure.

Red. A blast from the past. Made small speakers only. came and went.

Soundout. Todd Wells. Went on to do big desks as Soudtracs and then onto to digital. was the first person to import Piezos. Motorola was the only one at the time.

TK. Dave Woods, another Southend man. Gave up and started a small courier company.

Paice Another Dave Collins involvement. 

White. Bill White in Sunderland. A copy of Orange with an obvious difference. 

JPS. New the boys well. No big capital to see it through.

DJ Electronics. Another Southend Company. They enjoyed success in the '70's.

Simms Watts. Dave Simms and Rick Watts. Quite striking gear at the time. I think it was Dave Simms who went on to do one of the first electronic drum kits. I could be wrong here, because the kit was known as Simmons I think. Who Knows. Simms Watts used RCF speakers in their cabs.

Vampower. My first 6 ch PA amp. Made by Geoff Johnson in Purley. At the time, around six other people were using the amp and badging it including Jennings (after vox) and Spectrum who were a band called Middle of the Road. Johnson also sold it under his own name.

Customsound. Barry Phillips. Nice Guy. Not Rock and Roll though. Not sure whether he ever connected with his customers.

Traynor. From Canada. Still making gear.

Austin Armstrong. Stopped when Dave ended his Life. His main man is on this forum.

Fal. They were also the Holding company for Fane in the early days.

S A I. I think it stood for Sound Advise Installations. Saw the product in the early days but never got involved.

Eastmill. Use to be called Westmill in Scotland. It became Eastmill when Neil moved south. He now fits luxury boats out. Has an office in Guilford.

Selmer. My first PA columns. No more PA but still involved in Brass and woodwind. which is what the company has always been about.

Reslo mics. My first mic on a Goosekneck. 

Vox. did a lot of pa stuff in the '60's Columns only though.

S.S.E. Was a brand before John adopted it. I believe it stood for Scenic Sounds Entertainment. 

Spectrum. This company was started by the Band that did Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep. All Premises, no product. It failed.

E.S.E. Eric Snowball was a prominent player in the PA game. Did Roy Orbison and Jeff Beck tours etc. Had his own cans made. I think he still has his shop in Maidstone. 1 Upper Fant Street. Eric was and probably still is a Pedal steel player. His son Matt, who a lot more of you will know, is big in back line hire.

Well my mind has now gone blank, and I haven't even started on the Scotch yet, but more will come I'm sure. These are people who at one time or another did enter into PA. In the early days a lot of back line companies did it, including Marshall. which has just reminded me of another one.

Thor. Jim Marshall's son along with an incredible guitar player called Dave Roberts started this. It didn't last. Dave went to New Zealand or the other place close by.

That's it for now.






Bet your knackered now with all that typing!
I remember the Red acoustic speakers, cab made of metal with an 8" driver (or may have been 10") and active too very advanced to the day (as was the price) sounded ok at the time but had a self destruction thing going on.
(Thinking back they were 2 x 8" or 1 X 8")

I had a Reslo radio mic back then, It was crap but the first one that was affordable.

Mike Harrison, seem to remember reading he had past on to a better world (where they don't hot glue faders into mixers)

I still love the look of the Mega of London stuff and would love a complete system of it.

And don't forget to add JWP to that list, everyone thought he was a miserable git but was just very blunt (and very sharp) He did an awful lot of his own kit and was more of less a pioneer in the pub 80/disco scene back then.
He was also friends with most of the above especially Mike Harrison and Dave Martin who were a nightmare when the three of them went on the piss together.

 


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Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 1:56pm
i remember the red speakers, the logos used to have a backlight on the grills

fal had nothing to do with fane, fal before it went bust was called customsound they also were making the vox ac30 at the time


Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 2:01pm
Anyone see the VOX docu. last night?

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Posted By: audiomik
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 2:03pm
Yup, thinking about adding the 'stairway test' to things I do here
Mik

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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 2:43pm
Didn't Midas use to do a similar thing with their big desks? 3 times off the top of the work bench.
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Posted By: simonp1100
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 3:40pm
Is or was there some connection with Austin Armstrong & C-Audio ?????.


Posted By: Mhamplification
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by burningbush burningbush wrote:

Anyone see the VOX docu. last night?


Yes it was good  Especially when they compared to Marshall and Fender Much prefer Marshall myself used to use a 200 Major and a super lead 100 in a punk band back in the day No silly miking up through the Pa system for us

Used to repair a lot of Vox amps when I worked for a guitar shop  Very nice amps but not really a rock amp


Posted By: feedback
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 4:38pm
RSE anyone? House system in Dingwalls back in the day..didn't Macca have a load of it,and Thin Lizzy?


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by simonp1100 simonp1100 wrote:

Is or was there some connection with Austin Armstrong & C-Audio ?????.

 Yes It was Dave Collins. The two companies were never connected in business. Monitec and Austin Armstrong  happened afterwards.


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by feedback feedback wrote:

RSE anyone? House system in Dingwalls back in the day..didn't Macca have a load of it,and Thin Lizzy?
It may only been a Rental company. I remember seeing the name on Monitors. Didn't they come out of Park Royal. 
I have had another thought, and I think it was High Life coming out of Park Royal but they were a rental company. A lot of rental companies built their own monitor systems and sometimes they built there smaller "B" systems.


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Posted By: simonp1100
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 5:29pm
I remember going to C-Audio & meeting Lee basham, Hans fratag (i think thats how you spell it) & phil hildrow in the late 80's. Memories.  Clap


Posted By: service dept Steve
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 6:22pm
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Hopefully, some of these comments and info will spark off something else in peoples memories. This is obviously a thread for older members, hopefully, our younger members won't glaze over too soon.

Wem. Still making Echo units. were pioneers with early PA and amps. should have remained at the top, but the brothers were born in the wrong decade.

Vitavox. Probably still making MOD stuff, which was their main thrust. They had an interesting factory from an engineering point of view.

Zoot Horn. An early horn bin system. weren't around very long.

Guass. They suffered because the speakers were not their main product. The main product was 64-1 tape duplicating machines. Decca and EMI had them.

Mega. Chris Sherwin and Pete Ross. Still doing stuff, but not Rock and Roll.

Turner. Mike Turner sold up and moved out years ago.

Lyon Forge. The man behind this is still active in Southend.

Harrison. Mike dissapeared to the Isle of Sark, probably to dig up some of his treasure.

Red. A blast from the past. Made small speakers only. came and went.

Soundout. Todd Wells. Went on to do big desks as Soudtracs and then onto to digital. was the first person to import Piezos. Motorola was the only one at the time.

TK. Dave Woods, another Southend man. Gave up and started a small courier company.

Paice Another Dave Collins involvement. 

White. Bill White in Sunderland. A copy of Orange with an obvious difference. 

JPS. New the boys well. No big capital to see it through.

DJ Electronics. Another Southend Company. They enjoyed success in the '70's.

Simms Watts. Dave Simms and Rick Watts. Quite striking gear at the time. I think it was Dave Simms who went on to do one of the first electronic drum kits. I could be wrong here, because the kit was known as Simmons I think. Who Knows. Simms Watts used RCF speakers in their cabs.

Vampower. My first 6 ch PA amp. Made by Geoff Johnson in Purley. At the time, around six other people were using the amp and badging it including Jennings (after vox) and Spectrum who were a band called Middle of the Road. Johnson also sold it under his own name.

Customsound. Barry Phillips. Nice Guy. Not Rock and Roll though. Not sure whether he ever connected with his customers.

Traynor. From Canada. Still making gear.

Austin Armstrong. Stopped when Dave ended his Life. His main man is on this forum.

Fal. They were also the Holding company for Fane in the early days.

S A I. I think it stood for Sound Advise Installations. Saw the product in the early days but never got involved.

Eastmill. Use to be called Westmill in Scotland. It became Eastmill when Neil moved south. He now fits luxury boats out. Has an office in Guilford.

Selmer. My first PA columns. No more PA but still involved in Brass and woodwind. which is what the company has always been about.

Reslo mics. My first mic on a Goosekneck. 

Vox. did a lot of pa stuff in the '60's Columns only though.

S.S.E. Was a brand before John adopted it. I believe it stood for Scenic Sounds Entertainment. 

Spectrum. This company was started by the Band that did Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep. All Premises, no product. It failed.

E.S.E. Eric Snowball was a prominent player in the PA game. Did Roy Orbison and Jeff Beck tours etc. Had his own cans made. I think he still has his shop in Maidstone. 1 Upper Fant Street. Eric was and probably still is a Pedal steel player. His son Matt, who a lot more of you will know, is big in back line hire.

Well my mind has now gone blank, and I haven't even started on the Scotch yet, but more will come I'm sure. These are people who at one time or another did enter into PA. In the early days a lot of back line companies did it, including Marshall. which has just reminded me of another one.

Thor. Jim Marshall's son along with an incredible guitar player called Dave Roberts started this. It didn't last. Dave went to New Zealand or the other place close by.

That's it for now.







I can do a couple of these, the big problem for me is because my speciality is vintage gear I see this stuff all day and so don't think of it as gone.
If you are an accordion player you would want a WEM one for that is what they do now, One of my customers was in touch with them recently for some mechanical parts for a PA100 (that's another story, right?) and was able to blag a wem badge for my dominator.

Soundout turned into soundtracs and the digico, (I'm sure they will NOT want to be reminded of that!)

Saturn sound and light -> Tarsin entertainments-> SSE

My first speakers were made by WERC (although that doesn't look right)

Some say that ILP are still going but I was told by a friend of his (?) that he had passed himself on a few years back. I will be pleased to be wrong.

Red acoustics made that incredibly expensive (but ultimately quite ordinary) powered speaker, it was 1600 a pair in 1980, IIRC, anyway there are a pair in the understage in my local theatre. All RS bits inside. Didn't Wembley paul have something to do with it?

A lot of these brands gave us a lot of pleasure over the years, I hope that they are not all forgotten, at least the "backline" amps will never fade away completely (in most cases they just get more and more valuable and sought after)




 



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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 6:43pm
One more big one comes to mind, and that is Sound City. Most of the Product came out of Southend, in fact it came from the place that is behind me in Stanfield Road Southend. This of course, was Dallas Arbiter. Hayman  guitars were also made there. Sound City did loads of columns. I also had a 16 channel  Sound City Mixing desk. I saw the WHO at Walthamstow Granada, and the PA was Sound City 2x15's ,4x12 cabs and Columns with a few Altec horns scattered on top.
I also Saw Fleetwood Mac at the Bath Pavilion, and the setup was the same except it was WEM. Mixers there were 2 WEM 5 channel Audio Masters linked together. That was also the first gig I ever saw where guitars were mic'd up. The guitar amps were Fender Champs standing on black columns. Wonderful stuff.


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 6:53pm
Sound City,yes of course,that's one i had forgotten,i had a pair of Sound City 4x12's columns in the late 70's (chrome dome drivers) that i used with some piezos on top for side fill..........The drivers had their own stickers on the magnets,but wether they actually made them i dont know?




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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 7:20pm
Ruddy hell--this lot brings back some memories.
ACES was formed by Peter Keeling who was Custom Sound's chief designer back in the day and it was great for a few years before going bust and then re-opened for a short time under the name SECA which is aces spelled backwards.
Anyone remember the original RSD company that used to hire out flightcased PA touring rigs including 4x15 horn loaded bass bins and also made the original 800B and 800C power amps---they were based on a farm somewhere down south---maybe where Tony Andrews got his idea from.


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 7:40pm
John,didnt Pink Floyd have something to do with the original development and testing of those early RSD amps,as they wanted an affordable,more easily maintainable high power amp sourced in England,rather than using expensive imported Amcron and Phase Linears?

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Posted By: bob4
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 7:49pm
harrison is still around!

http://www.harrisonconsoles.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=31


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by woody2 woody2 wrote:

i remember the red speakers, the logos used to have a backlight on the grills

fal had nothing to do with fane, fal before it went bust was called customsound they also were making the vox ac30 at the time
It was Audio Fidelity that owned Fane. I knew there was an "F" in it somewhere. I was wrong with the FAL link up.


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 7:56pm
Wrong Harrison.

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 7:59pm
RSD morphed into Studiomaster and sometime soon, I will think of the guys name.

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Posted By: service dept Steve
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 8:08pm
Would it be fair to say that this thread is a load of old gits wondering what happened to the others?

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 8:11pm
Most definitely.

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 8:16pm
The RSD guy was Paul Dodd. The original name of RSD stood for Rotary Speaker Developments.

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Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Originally posted by woody2 woody2 wrote:

i remember the red speakers, the logos used to have a backlight on the grills

fal had nothing to do with fane, fal before it went bust was called customsound they also were making the vox ac30 at the time
It was Audio Fidelity that owned Fane. I knew there was an "F" in it somewhere. I was wrong with the FAL link up.


they were based in the same area in the 80's

Fane Acoustic Ltd and Futuristic Aids Ltd,

 fal built roost amps which were from southend


Posted By: service dept Steve
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 10:10pm
Well of course we were all tortured by FAL system 50 and system 70 double decks but surprisingly it was the FAL light screens that so concisely summed up the late 70's disco.




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Posted By: Mhamplification
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 10:53pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

Sound City,yes of course,that's one i had forgotten,i had a pair of Sound City 4x12's columns in the late 70's (chrome dome drivers) that i used with some piezos on top for side fill..........The drivers had their own stickers on the magnets,but wether they actually made them i dont know?



Ian the Sound City labelled speakers were made by Fane  seem to remember they had a ali dome with small black centres  The 4 x 12 columns were great  I had a pair of Marshall ones too There is a mobile disco round here that still uses a SoundCity 120 valve amp for amplification  I believe the factory was at Shoeburyness a suburb of Southend on Sea


Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 10:58pm
Originally posted by service dept Steve service dept Steve wrote:

Well of course we were all tortured by FAL system 50 and system 70 double decks but surprisingly it was the FAL light screens that so concisely summed up the late 70's disco.


Three bulbs behind some plastic arty stuff that resembed the front of a home bar unit from Jason King.
 
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Posted By: service dept Steve
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 11:44pm
I really should get some, Jo will be pleased! (so much more pleased than me growing a Peter Wyngarde moustache) 

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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 12:09am
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

John,didnt Pink Floyd have something to do with the original development and testing of those early RSD amps,as they wanted an affordable,more easily maintainable high power amp sourced in England,rather than using expensive imported Amcron and Phase Linears?



You could be right there Ian as the RSD 800B was the first UK built amp to have the big VU meters on which were similar to the Phase Linears so there may have been a little copying going on at the time but at least RSD got it right with the 800B as it really was a good reliable amp with half decent performance as well---You could not say the same about the Phase Linears as they used to fall apart completely on the road and were about as powerful and reliable as an Amstrad stereo system


Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 12:16am
August.....

This was a wbin by august......

this was a 2x12 box by august....


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 12:28am
AMS. Artist Monitoring Services. Nick Cohen. Did a lot with small speakers, usually volt if my memory serves me correctly.

McGregor. Seemed to do just budget stuff.

MM did PA cabs the bass bins looked like Elimiator cabs. Another Dave Collins enterprise.

Rauch PA amps. Met someone only once.

PSL. who could forget Roger Skuse and John Smith. John is still in Middlesbrough and Rog is in Turkey. Had a lot of fun with Mr. Skuse.

Canary Mixers. Bob Birthright. He runs a successful rehearsal and recording complex.

Park. They did PA. It was a Marshall offshoot when Rose Morris were distributors. The distribution limited ol' Jim so he came out with this product and sold it direct to the shops.

Epicentrum. Made cabs for these guys in the mid to late seventies.


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Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 12:47am
Originally posted by The Builder The Builder wrote:


Well, got four of them in the garage along with the Pulsar Modulator! Just waiting for a 70's night to do now.


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Posted By: Dondilly
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 2:14am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

 
Park. They did PA. It was a Marshall offshoot when Rose Morris were distributors. The distribution limited ol' Jim so he came out with this product and sold it direct to the shops.


There was another PA brand in the Park/Marshall/Rose Morris mix

CMI  (Cleartone Musical Instruments)

What I remember of them was their blue 'full range' W bins that lacked top and and suffered hollow sounding bass (or at least they did when driven by a pair of my mate's 100w Tuac slave amps)


Posted By: Dondilly
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 8:23am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

E.S.E. Eric Snowball was a prominent player in the PA game. Did Roy Orbison and Jeff Beck tours etc. Had his own cans made. I think he still has his shop in Maidstone. 1 Upper Fant Street. Eric was and probably still is a Pedal steel player. His son Matt, who a lot more of you will know, is big in back line hire.



It looks like ESE is no more
Ive not been to the shop but the website is now dead, Eric's Binson echo site is still up with a few broken links.  I also found ESE had a facebook page, one of the last ESE messages on there was :
CLOSING DOWN EVERYTHING MUST GO!   - 2 July 2011 at 14:39


Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 9:20am
A bit of Sound City history:  http://www.soundcitysite.com/sc_webpages/sc_home.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.soundcitysite.com/sc_webpages/sc_home.htm

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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 9:28am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

AMS. Artist Monitoring Services. Nick Cohen. Did a lot with small speakers, usually volt if my memory serves me correctly.
Tony, I thought AMS used ATC - I seem to remember one of their sidefills (2x12, 1x9,HF) but I don't remember the usual Volt 'inside out' look.


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Posted By: Mhamplification
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 11:07am
Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

A bit of Sound City history:  http://www.soundcitysite.com/sc_webpages/sc_home.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.soundcitysite.com/sc_webpages/sc_home.htm


Some good stuff on there spent hours looking at it


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 6:20pm
Ditto that Martin,some great photos on that site.real timewarp stuff.




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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 6:47pm
Those Sound City cabs bring back memories! I remember using some of the 4x12s in the very early seventies at a 'disco' we used to do on Sunday nights for foreign exchange students in Whetstone, in north London. Incidentally, my brother worked for Arbiter for several years when the Karaoke craze was at its height, heady days indeed - shame that Ivor and his son, Johnny are now gone. Johnny, for those that don't know, ran the Soho Soundhouse before taking over the Turnkey shop in Charing Cross Road in the early 1990s. Ivor had his finger in many pies apart from Sound City and for many years had the Fender franchise for the UK as well as being chairman of Hendon FC - his son Johnny took over Turnkey from the owners who for the most part had originally been Allen & Heath personnel including IIRC Andrew Stirling, Andy Bereza and Ivor Taylor.

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 7:22pm
Nice bit of info there Jazzy. Denis Cornell who worked on all the original Sound City stuff later did all the Fender repairs for Ivor. He now makes his own Fender type amps under the Cornell brand. Another guy who worked for Sound City along side Dennis was Ray Bonnet. After many years of working with Ron Bailey at 3G, he ended up working for me. He now works for Rega in Southend.

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Posted By: simonp1100
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 7:26pm
Anyone know what happened to Sound Creations.


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 7:47pm
What type of product did they manufacture?

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Posted By: simonp1100
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 7:54pm
They mostly made light controllers & i think they also made a few DJ consoles (but cannot be sure).


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 1:13am
Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

AMS. Artist Monitoring Services. Nick Cohen. Did a lot with small speakers, usually volt if my memory serves me correctly.
Tony, I thought AMS used ATC - I seem to remember one of their sidefills (2x12, 1x9,HF) but I don't remember the usual Volt 'inside out' look.
Jazzo, When nick Cohen was using these speakers, the Spider frames had not been thought of. They came many years later. He used 8's and 10's and wrote a piece for a mag why multiple small speakers work better than single big ones.


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 8:32am
Tony, thanks for that info. I remember Martin were also experimenting with small drivers at around the same time, but they were using ATC. Does anyone remember the 4x12/2x12+horn+HFs combo which were seen on one of the Tangerine Dream album covers? I shall try and find a pic of them and post it here.

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 10:27am
I do remember some fairly straight forward looking stuff in the early days. This gear was made when the main Martin system was the Y bin, the 3x12 mids and a Vitavox horn. This was before the Phillishave days.

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Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 10:55am
Sound Creations were in the Midlands area. We referred to them as Sound Cremations! Awful.
 
@ Tony I remember our discussion about Dave Collins, C-Audio and Austin Armstrong a while back. I remembered how Dave wanted me to go to Cambridge and do some mods on his Austin Armstrongs. A sad loss.
 
Peter Wyngarde BTW was caught in Gloucester in a toilet doing 'summat' wrong. Was all over the local press. No Surprise.
 
I had a Saxon mixer and 2x 60W amp kits in 1974/5 .... crap!. Then I had a TUAC amp.... crap.
 
OK THEN!   GP Designs. George Pullin. They made PA cabs in Stonehouse, Glos. Lots of them back in the early 80's. I had a few from George as cheap as chips with EV15b's.


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 11:06am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

I do remember some fairly straight forward looking stuff in the early days. This gear was made when the main Martin system was the Y bin, the 3x12 mids and a Vitavox horn. This was before the Phillishave days.
Yes, this was probably around the same time as the 3x12 mids. The bottom end was handled by a reflex cab with 4x12" ATCs, the top cab had two vertically arranged 10s or 12s with a HF horn and two 075 ring radiators underneath. I think they were deigned to be driven by the Midas/Martin Powerbloc(k?) amps.


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 7:22pm
Another bit of History you. I'm sure a lot of you are aware of the Trace Elliot Brand name. Fred Friedline had the PA warehouse called Soundwave at Old Ford. Photos of his place have been on here recently. Fred used to buy my Fibreglass Horns and we we making some cabs for him. Anyone who went to Old Ford may have been aware that the Real Family business was importation of Wine and Ivory, I'm sure that wasn't just decoration. He got out of there and ended up in Victoria street in Romford. The Trace Elliot amp was developed above this shop by his engineer, and I remember seeing the first prototype being put together. The Trace Elliot name was an "off the shelf" name which had no baring on anyone of anything. From these humble beginnings rose a massive Brand. I've always admired Fred for that.

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Posted By: njw
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by simonp1100 simonp1100 wrote:

Anyone know what happened to Sound Creations.
   
  
    When I got into mobile DJing with a mate in the late 90s (at about 13 years old!) we inherited a load of old gear from his uncle which included two Sound Creations consoles, the decks in them were horrible plastic BSR things but the built in power amps were pretty good (looked like BK modules). We also had two Sound Creations light controllers (one three channel and one four) and loads of those Fal light boxes. I was chuffed to bits with it all at the time and we did loads of school discos and partys with it all.Smile


Posted By: chickenfizz
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 12:07am
There must have been an awful lot of BSR turntables about a few decades ago!


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 8:37pm
What about Impact. That was a little firm that did quite a bit of advertising, and made mainly 4x12 cabs for back line along with other models, and amps of course.

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Posted By: Muckerbarnes1
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 8:55pm
GP Designs, from Eastington, Stonehouse, Glos; George Pullin. Wonder waht happened to him?
 
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 9:06pm
That strip that went around those cabs was used by a few manufactures. HH used it on early models I believe and I used it making Vitavox cabs, Thunderbolts especially.

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 9:17pm
Carlsbro used it to death Tony,almost every cab they made had that alluminium with vinyl insert edging on it,probually to disguise the chipboard edge.....if i remember,it was nailed/pinned on,and the black vinyl insert hid the nails.


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Posted By: GregM
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 9:30pm
and, I can confirm with 1st hand knowledge, an absolute bugger to try to 'repair' when refurbing an old HH cabinet or two........

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 9:46pm
It was a really silly trim detail Greg,after a bit of use on the road,the narrow edges of the soft alluminium trim would get bashed, squashed and pinched and go as sharp as a razor blade as i found out painfully one evening...... Unhappy


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