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Topic: CARLSBRO's FINEST?.....A BIT OF OLD SCHOOL....
Posted By: OneTwoThree
Subject: CARLSBRO's FINEST?.....A BIT OF OLD SCHOOL....
Date Posted: 16 February 2012 at 12:40pm

While Martin Audio's Modular System was playing the concert stages around the world (and still is a brilliant pro-audio system...Guass/ATC/TAD??!!).....even Carlsbro upped their anti in 1984 with a RCF based Procab Component System ready to do battle 7 nights a week in the UK WMC (Working Men's Club) circuit along with the likes of HH's 'Concert' system!

Here's are heart stopping prices from 1984 and bear in mind approx 250% inflation since.

Bass 1x18 - £513

Mid 2x12 - £485

Horn - £378

Lens - £517

Power Amp (largest available!) 2x200w @ 8ohm - £560

So the system in the catalogue photo, excluding the rack case would have set you back £6880 in 1984 equivalent to £17200 today, and that's for a total of 1600 watts!....but quite a few components....




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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 16 February 2012 at 12:42pm
Could you post up a larger image of that brochure,it look interesting,
Thanks.


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Posted By: OneTwoThree
Date Posted: 16 February 2012 at 2:13pm



Posted By: OneTwoThree
Date Posted: 16 February 2012 at 2:15pm
Guess that looks about the same size! 100kb limit appears to be my problem??


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 16 February 2012 at 2:22pm
just post up the link,maybe that would be better?

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 16 February 2012 at 2:34pm
That bass cab looks very similar to the Bass cab that James Mellors used to sell to the Showmen. Mellors was part of the team set up inside Carlsbro to deal with the Fairground customers.



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Posted By: OneTwoThree
Date Posted: 16 February 2012 at 2:46pm
It's my own catalogue so I don't have a link.... plus I have a period JBL Pro Series catalogue from 1980 I was hoping to post, similar to how you had done the almighty ASS....??


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 16 February 2012 at 3:19pm
Thanks,but that 1980 brochure is already online here.

http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/catalogs/1980-pro.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/catalogs/1980-pro.htm


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Posted By: London Sound1
Date Posted: 16 February 2012 at 3:28pm
Note the Line Arrays!!! not quite Vertec


Ian


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Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 17 February 2012 at 2:39am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

That bass cab looks very similar to the Bass cab that James Mellors used to sell to the Showmen. Mellors was part of the team set up inside Carlsbro to deal with the Fairground customers.



never knew carlsbro were linked to mellors


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 17 February 2012 at 9:32am
Never sure whether he was linked in actual Business, but he did have an office in their place at one time.

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Posted By: markshowman
Date Posted: 02 April 2014 at 9:47pm
Just reading the topic about Carlsbro's finest,I still have and use 2 cabs loaded with the 18" celestion drivers,  a wide mid range flair horn, and 6 bullet horns, with slatted fronts, and a Mellors / Carlsbro S800 Showman stereo amplifier. I  have had these for many years, and after many hundreds of hours of hard driving, still sound as good as the day they came from James Mellors


Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 02 April 2014 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Never sure whether he was linked in actual Business, but he did have an office in their place at one time.


i understand they put money into the company as well as distributing to showmen


Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 04 April 2014 at 11:09am
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

Could you post up a larger image of that brochure,it look interesting,
Thanks.
FWIW if you use Google Chrome and you right click a picture you get several options, one of which is 'Search Google For This Image'. I tried and Google couldn't find anything remotely similar.


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 04 April 2014 at 11:30am
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

Thanks,but that 1980 brochure is already online here.

http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/catalogs/1980-pro.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/catalogs/1980-pro.htm
Interesting to see how the JBL classic cabs 4560/4550(FLHs) & 4520/4530(scoops) were a mainstay of the JBL range for so many years. As far as I can see, the 4550 changed to an extent (central horizontal baffle and modified vertical flare), but the others remained pretty much the same through the years - lack of devlopment or simply milking a cash cow? (I know TonyASS has already mentioned how the systems in the USA were surprisingly resistant to change/development but how long wee these cabs being sold for?)


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 April 2014 at 9:34am
What ever line of business Americans are in, they do it differently to us, that's for sure. I know that some of the stuff was straight out of the Cinema business and they never seem to change. Back in the '70's cabs like the 4560 were encouraged because JBL made the drawings public so that they might sell the Chassis speakers which was their real business. In there 70's the 4560 was a Tour de Force, however very few if any ever made it here from the states. We ourselves as Heathpoint Acoustics made them in their hundreds and mainly sent them to Germany as well as other European Countries. As to how long they were popular for, it's hard to gauge, because in those days different countries followed each other around, with basically us at the forefront, so when something died off here, it could be just starting somewhere else.

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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 05 April 2014 at 10:33am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

What ever line of business Americans are in, they do it differently to us, that's for sure. I know that some of the stuff was straight out of the Cinema business and they never seem to change. Back in the '70's cabs like the 4560 were encouraged because JBL made the drawings public so that they might sell the Chassis speakers which was their real business. In there 70's the 4560 was a Tour de Force, however very few if any ever made it here from the states. We ourselves as Heathpoint Acoustics made them in their hundreds and mainly sent them to Germany as well as other European Countries. As to how long they were popular for, it's hard to gauge, because in those days different countries followed each other around, with basically us at the forefront, so when something died off here, it could be just starting somewhere else.
It goes back to my earlier post about the car industry. American cars seemed to stop developing at the same time and speed as Japanese/German et al manufacturers started to do so but after their earlier efforts had been mass produced, and the parts & technology exported, for years. Americans and as well as Europeans exported their out of production car manufacturing facilities often to the then third (now often first) world countries where many remain in use today - the main reason being it made the cars cheaper to produce and the technology simple to both implement and repair or replace. In the US, even though economies of scale made their new cars affordable to the masses, the implementation of newer modern technologies also meant that the cost of  repairs and maintenance would increase as would development (a new, modern engine can cost upwards of $1 billion to develop), and in particular manufacturing cost, and I think it was a conscious decision by the giants not to grasp these technologies wholeheartedly. The result was that Japanese companies invaded the market with their products and became so popular that the US was forced to restrict their imports - which then meant the foreign manufacturers were forced to build in the US. With the US production came the new working practices dropping the manufacturing costs even further and the new technologies proved far more reliable than the older technologies present in American cars - so the US lost the plot completely, as witnessed by the huge losses they made before they had to be bailed out either by the banks or the government. 
There seems to be a strange contrast in the US between the development, use and implementation of new technology by the few and the reluctance to change the status quo by the masses - and speakers and cars seem to fall in the latter group, in that apart from a small number of 'thinking outside the box' developers/manufacturers the rest are still very much reliant on older technologies as is often evident in technical riders mentioning by name which manufacturers box is or is not acceptable, most often not because of the quality of the output but more that they are comfortable (sorry, best word I could come up with) with 'an old friend' whose results are a known quantity.
Hmm, a bit too detailed for Saturday morning - especially before brekkie!


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Posted By: Mark vincent
Date Posted: 27 February 2021 at 11:54pm
I’ve got an s800 that I cannot get fixed anywhere anybody got any ideas


Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 28 February 2021 at 9:41am
Originally posted by Mark vincent Mark vincent wrote:

I’ve got an s800 that I cannot get fixed anywhere anybody got any ideas


Mucker Barnes. And only just up the M5 in Stroud... even though with Lockdown it may have to be sent, or just wait for it to be "over".


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Posted By: Mark vincent
Date Posted: 28 February 2021 at 4:42pm
Do you have a phone number for him please thanks mark


Posted By: APW
Date Posted: 28 February 2021 at 5:08pm
PM him: Muckerbarnes1

... or search MJB ELECTRONICS LTD




Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 28 February 2021 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by APW APW wrote:

PM him: Muckerbarnes1

... or search MJB ELECTRONICS LTD




Ah, yeh. Should've explained that a bit better! Thanks APW.


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