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Topic: scoop compatible drivers...
Posted By: RealitySound
Subject: scoop compatible drivers...
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 11:15pm
Found this by mistake. Don't know how accurate the list is but I'm sure others on here can add subtract to this list; It was made in '2004. Found it on dancehallreggae.com forum.- http://forum.dancehallreggae.com/archive/index.php/t-32236.html?s=8b398c52a449d83d54e2d67338b8cc81


Here is a list of 18 inch tranducers that will give you the best performance when using Scoops/Rear Loaded Horns & Earthquakes/Folded Horns

Note: These are current models, and, you can contact me if you have a question regarding an older model. Cerwin Vega’s can be found used on Ebay

Aura {Seismic} 1808
B&C 18 TBX 46
B&C 18 WB 46
Celestion Frontline 18
Cerwin Vega 188 EB
Cerwin Vega 189 ES
Cerwin Vega 189 JE {4 ohm}
Cerwin Vega 189 SE
Cerwin Vega 18S4 {4 ohm}
Cerwin Vega 18S8
Eminence Magnum 18 HO
Eminence Sigma Pro 18
Eminence Omega 18
Eighteen Sound 18 LW 800
Eighteen Sound 18 LW 1000
Eighteen Sound 18 LW 1250
Eighteen Sound 18 LW 1400
Electrovoice EVX 180 B
Fane Colossus 18B 600
JBL 2242
McCauley 6256
North Creek Leviton
P Audio C 18 600 LF
P Audio C 18 650 EL
P Audio E 18 300A
P Audio E 18 600A
P Audio IMF 18W
P Audio R 18 100B
P Audio R 18 76W
P Audio SD 18
PAS LX 2800
Precision Devices PD 1850
Precision Devices PD 186
Precision Devices PD 184
Precision Devices PD 182
RCF L 18P 200
RCF Precision 18 G 400
Transparence 18 B 800
Void Acoustics V 18 1000

Its in alphabetical order. Be nice if we could arrange it into best-worst.
Bless.


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 26 March 2012 at 12:52am
I don't know about the rest, but the B and C 's are old models. Even in the 2008 cat. it shows the updated version of the TBX46 which is the TBX100. In the Archive section of the latest cat, it shows the TBX46 out of production. 

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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 26 March 2012 at 1:19am
Cheers Tony,I realized that too. I have a TBX46, what is your opinion on it? Ok for scoops? Is the tbx100 alot better than it?

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 26 March 2012 at 9:07am
If anything, it will have better glue technology and a better frame for heatsinking. Overall, it can't be too much different, sound will be similar but it does handle more power.

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Posted By: hmaudio
Date Posted: 26 March 2012 at 11:07am
does anyone no how well the tbx 46/100 will handle in an Ms-18? and if so what Mk would be best?

thanks
Adam


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 26 March 2012 at 11:33am
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Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 26 March 2012 at 3:05pm
Fane

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Posted By: UpComingSound
Date Posted: 26 March 2012 at 3:33pm
have any one ever put wood in front of the scoop woofer seal it in to make it a full folden horn? would it work ?


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 29 March 2012 at 2:36am
Alright, can we get back to putting this list together so that it can be of some help to people on here?
Maybe in order of best to worst with some prices. Some of us on here can't afford $1000 neos and would be happy to use a 'decent' inexpensive driver until we win the lotto. Or maybe it would be better to keep it in alphabetical order and give it a +number rating. +10 being the best etc. or +8 power handling, +6 performance in scoops etc.


Aura {Seismic} 1808
B&C 18 TBX100-  (Q331.50/ $340) http://www.usspeaker.com/B&C-18TBX100-1.htm
Celestion Frontline 18- ($380) http://www.hollywooddj.com/cefr.html
Cerwin Vega 188 EB
Cerwin Vega 189 ES
Cerwin Vega 189 JE {4 ohm}
Cerwin Vega 189 SE
Cerwin Vega 18S4 {4 ohm}
Cerwin Vega 18S8
Eminence Magnum 18 HO- discontinued- http://www.eliminatorlightingdirect.com/EMINENCE_MAGNUM_18HO_18_HIGH_OUTPUT_DRIVER_p/290-586.htm

Eminence Sigma Pro 18- ($170) http://www.usspeaker.com/eminence%2018-1.htm
Eminence Omega 18 ($200) http://www.usspeaker.com/eminence%2018-1.htm
Eighteen Sound 18 LW 800
Eighteen Sound 18 LW 1000
Eighteen Sound 18 LW 1250
Eighteen Sound 18 LW 1400
Electrovoice EVX 180 B
Fane Colossus 18B 600
JBL 2242
McCauley 6256
North Creek Leviton
P Audio C 18 600 LF
P Audio C 18 650 EL
P Audio E 18 300A
P Audio E 18 600A
P Audio IMF 18W
P Audio R 18 100B
P Audio R 18 76W
P Audio SD 18
PAS LX 2800
Precision Devices PD 1850
Precision Devices PD 186
Precision Devices PD 184
Precision Devices PD 182
RCF L 18P 200
RCF Precision 18 G 400
Transparence 18 B 800
Void Acoustics V 18 1000


Feel free to comtribute to the list or add subtract from it etc.
Bless.


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 29 March 2012 at 2:38am
contribute rather..



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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 2:01am
Does anyone have an opinion on or have any experience with the Eminence Omega 18? in a scoop?;

Specifications: *Power handling: 800 watts RMS/1,600 watts max *VCdia: 4" *Le: 1.67 mH *Impedance: 8 ohms *Re: 5.2 ohms *Frequency range: 40-800 Hz *Magnet weight: 109 oz. *Fs: 25 Hz *SPL: 97 dB 1W/1m *Vas: 19.4 cu. ft. *Qms: 8.18 *Qes: 0.32 *Qts: 0.31 *Xmax: 4.8 mm *Dimensions: Overall Diameter: 18", Cutout Diameter: 16.56", Mounting Depth: 8.15".


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 2:45am
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 8:49am
Just out of interest,has anyone ever put an Eminence driver successfully in a scoop?

Ditto what Lev says about the cerwins,most in that list are very old,the 189 must be 25+years old now,3 inch coil,paper cone,and only 400w...probually fine for a vintage sound,but you wouldnt want to use it in anger.


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 10:42am
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Posted By: UpComingSound
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 6:06pm
any one know about then new B&C drivers

18 TBW100 - 18" EXTREME HIGH POWER WOOFER

  • THE NEW B&C 18 TBW100 IS A VERY HIGH POWER 18" WOOFER THAT HANDLES 1,500 WATTS AES STANDARD & 3,000 WATTS PROGRAM
  • EXTENDED XMAX OF 12.0MM FOR A VERY DEEP TIGHT CHEST POUNDING BASS SOUND
  • ALUMINUM DEMODULATION RING KEEPS FLAT RESPONSE & DISTORTION LOW
  • CONE IS WATERPROOF ON BOTH SIDES
  • FEATURES A DOUBLE SPIDER, VENTILATED VOICE COIL GAP & A LARGE 4" VOICE COIL
  • THE B&C 18 TBW100 SPEAKER IS OPTIMIZED FOR EXTREMELY HIGH OUTPUT SUBWOOFER SYSTEMS IN CONCERT, SOUND REINFORCEMENT SYSTEMS, THEATER, ETC.
  • SEE SPEAKER CABINET SPECIFICATIONS AT BOTTOM OF PAGE FOR BUILDING YOUR OWN CABINET

INTENSE STRONG BASS W/ HIGH POWER HANDLING OF 1,500 WATTS AES W/ A VERY HIGH XMAX OF12.0MM!

B&C 18TBW100B&C 18TBW100



Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 6:13pm
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Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 6:41pm
nothing wrong with Emimence drivers in scoops sigma n omega thay work well. I sometimes still use them .still got well old pair a scoops with emmys

horses fi courses if you ent tearing down the walls of babylon.there allright..LOL..come on man i memba using 400w drivers n still rumbling places..sometimes we haffi tek a step back...still respects to all...

its not allways bout power power power...


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 7:04pm
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"Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy".


Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Originally posted by Dub Specialist Dub Specialist wrote:

nothing wrong with Emimence drivers in scoops sigma n omega thay work well. I sometimes still use them .still got well old pair a scoops with emmys


Go into Golden Palace,  with Eminence loaded scoops, up against other sounds, and watch what happens... LOL


http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/101102/101102,1222340956,1/stock-photo-big-male-lion-eating-an-animal-carcass-17908138.jpg
These days, 4x scoops can do what 8x used to do, because people have progressed to higher power drivers, and larger amps.


true true i dont disagree lev but like i said thats not horses fi courses there is a place for every speaker/amp in this world man .. mi bredrin got some 300w cabs system ect ect f--k no watt thay am n
now he earns bear moneys man..dont get mi wrong man we do it fi the love man .. ..he dont need pd fane 1500 celstion ect ect ..sometimes we wraped up inna the big sound dem an earn f---k all ..respeck evertytime mi bredren..


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treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE


Posted By: Andy Kos
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 11:52pm
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Kilomax is too fussy, and often disappoints. .
But dont forget the Kilomax does have an enormous heatsink on the front, and before it starts sucking all your amp power into that heatsink the first 400-500W of the 1250W it rated at can actually be turned into sound instead of heat!!!

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Posted By: Ras Loud
Date Posted: 28 April 2012 at 12:34am
Originally posted by Andy Kos Andy Kos wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Kilomax is too fussy, and often disappoints. .
But dont forget the Kilomax does have an enormous heatsink on the front, and before it starts sucking all your amp power into that heatsink the first 400-500W of the 1250W it rated at can actually be turned into sound instead of heat!!!


Now I know what that is. I thought that thing was just there to protect the cone.


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 28 April 2012 at 2:09am
Originally wasn't the whole reasoning behind building big horn type boxes to get maximum sound out of crap low output drivers?


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Posted By: Andy Kos
Date Posted: 28 April 2012 at 2:15am
Originally posted by RealitySound RealitySound wrote:

Originally wasn't the whole reasoning behind building big horn type boxes to get maximum sound out of crap low output drivers? There wasn't any servodrives or bassmaxx trips at Woodstock. Probably primative 100 watt woofers in fridge size horns.
I think two lists of scoop compatible drivers should be made.....The first being standard everyday affordable drivers that have parameters that actually make them to be able to use in a scoop. Simple, everyday working class people drivers- for when you find a couple pieces of sh1t plywood,....and decide,....I think I'll build a scoop for my little house parties or man-cave/basement, or whatever, and wonder what cheap piece of crap driver can I get down the street for my scoop without the wife noticing that were short for rent this month. Not really intending on rattling the fillings out of my neighbors teeth, or soundclashing every tinpan with scoops, just a little boom boom, rumble rumble at a decent sound pressure level when the wife goes out of town with the kids and you feel like dusting off your August Pablo album. No true?
The second list being Lev approved Thumbs Up super dooper awesome (and probably expensive) drivers, for when you really really truly must have the ultimate performance out of your cab. Which is not a bad thing at all, if that is your intention.

man-cave/basement - think I'll start work on building myself a man-cave... Im sure thats what is missing in my life


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 28 April 2012 at 2:32am
Totally. Every man should have one.

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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 09 May 2012 at 10:02pm
Void drivers in the UK cost approx 192-220 pounds ( 310-350$US) 4 shipped to me costs approx $700. Add it all up and they cost $525 each when I get them.
Its 200$ more to ship 4 drivers from the UK than the US. So to all the americans on here- If you were to order 4 direct from void (192 pounds)(310ish USD) by the time it reaches New Jersey They will be about $450 USD each.



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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 09 May 2012 at 11:54pm
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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 12:18am
Thanks Lev, but I honestly don't think I'll ever pay over $600 for a driver. Void looks good to me, and so similar to PD already.

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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 12:26am
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"Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy".


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 12:48am
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Here's quick way to choose decent "ferrite" scoop driver for scoop.

Ignore manufacturer's sensitivity figure, only consider reference efficiency, expressed as figure between 1.8 - 4.0.

Forget all Eminence, Paudio, Cerwin Vega, Peavey drivers
Forget all drivers where Xmax < 7mm
Forget all drivers with VC diam < 4"
Forget all drivers where ref efficiency (no) < 1.8
Forget all drivers with BL < 24 (Except PD186), or  Qes > 0.35, or Qts > 0.35, or Vas > 360, or Fs > 35hz

Separate drivers into 2x groups,
BL, qts, Vas,  similar to PD1850, or similar to Void V18-1200.





                           VOID   PD1850 PV-LOWMAX B&C.TBX100 FP18HP1020 FP18XL1600 FANE.COL-1500
XMAX  7mm+       10.5     11.25         8.25           9                  9.5             13                    12.75
 BL       24+          34.8      31              25           25.5              27.2            28.1                  32.74
QES    .35-             .22      .22             .33           .37               .29              .37                    .26
QTS    .35-             .22      .21             .32           .35               .28              .36                    .25
VAS   360-             201      249            295          212              219             195.5                 175
FS    35hz-              34        30            33.5          34                35                32                    33.5

FP is Faital Pro.
Forget all Peavey drivers but the lowmax.
Thumbs Up



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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 2:27am
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Posted By: t.geessounds
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 3:29am
how no 18sound in the mix


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 12:51pm
No worries Jason, never said the list was finished. Probably add em tonight. Thumbs Up



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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 1:01pm
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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 1:52pm
Noted.

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Posted By: catman int
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 2:41pm
Since when eminence kilomax became a scoop driver?


Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by catman int catman int wrote:

Since when eminence kilomax became a scoop driver?

it never was ?? my mate has a pair tho in scoops but i havent heard them he dont want me to here them ..Confused

and also i seen many a soundsystem got/had emmys kilo in scoops , maybe you can get away with it by have a large chamber scoop??? who knows??


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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 2:54pm
put any emi in a large chamber scoop and have your recone money at hand

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Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by luton_soundman luton_soundman wrote:

put any emi in a large chamber scoop and have your recone money at hand 

 
a luke i thought you can use Omega Pro ??? no ???

so can you get away with using a kilo max inna scoop?? then??


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Posted By: catman int
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 3:26pm
Go to eminence website and see what they say about the kilomax,alot of guys on this site be talking some crazy things like they know everything about sound,but the are so lost ,big up MYKEY,ROG,TONY A.S.S,LEV,MOST OF THE REST CLUELESS.


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 3:37pm
TO BE CLEAR- The Drivers in GREEN seem to meet the parameters. I added other drivers- who others on this forum have tried in scoops. They would be the drivers Written in BLACK with the RED font where it falls outside the suggested parameters.
Confused


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by catman int catman int wrote:

Go to eminence website and see what they say about the kilomax,alot of guys on this site be talking some crazy things like they know everything about sound,but the are so lost ,big up MYKEY,ROG,TONY A.S.S,LEV,MOST OF THE REST CLUELESS.


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Never claimed to know everything about anything in regards to scoops and or drivers for them. Merely trying to help all the members on here choose wisely as information on the drivers suggests. I accept any criticism from any members to modify and change the list and it is open for anyone to add to it or subtract from it. THIS IS WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR-  ISN"T IT? EXCHANGING INFORMATION? HELPING EACH OTHER?
Excuse my rant, maybe I should have been more clear. Maybe I should change the name of the list to
Drivers/Woofers- Scoop compatible or not?


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 4:04pm
bump




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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by Dub Specialist Dub Specialist wrote:

Originally posted by luton_soundman luton_soundman wrote:

put any emi in a large chamber scoop and have your recone money at hand 

 
a luke i thought you can use Omega Pro ??? no ???

so can you get away with using a kilo max inna scoop?? then??


you mentioned large chamber scoop. the only drivers that seem to work in large chamber scoops are high powered drivers such as void, pd1850, 51, tmax, fane1500 etc. eminence drivers cant handle any power at all, and will over excursion way before you get any real levels if you put them in a large chamber scoop. but tight chamber scoops some emi drivers work fine. ive had and used some, 15" and 18". if that guy is refferin to me not knowin what im talkin about ask him why eminence design scoop is tight chamber and not large chamber then if large chamber suits emi drivers.


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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 5:59pm
PD186!

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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 6:02pm
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Posted By: Preacher
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 8:07pm
I remember Rog saying one time that Kilomax was only good for a large reflex box. I remember when they first hit the market, mate of mine with some tubbys scoops went and got a load and fitted them, they did one gig and he sent them back! lol.

As for the list, it deffo needs to have Fane Colossus XB's on it, proven small chamber scoop driver Wink


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 11:45pm
SCOOP COMPATIBLE OR NOT?

LIST SO FAR.......

                          XMAX(7+)/ BL(24+)/ QES(-.35)/ QTS (-.35)/ VAS(-360)/FS(-35)/ RMS/GBP/USD  

(18sound) 
18LW1400               9             24.7       .31            .29              297             31    1000W       $360
18NLW9600            14            30          .29            .28              149             34    1800W       $700
18ND9300              9.5           24.4       .29            .28              316             30     1000W       $500
18W1000                7             24.7        .24           .23               268            35     1000W       $300

B&C TBX100            9             25.5       .37            .35              212             34    1200W        $316
Beyma18G50           9            28.8       .334           .325            212             40     750W         $380
Beyma18G550         9             24.4       .385          .37              210             36     900W         $390
Beyma18P1000        8              26         .37            .36             245              32    1000W        $460
Beyma18p1200ND  9.5            26.3       .35            .34             198              37   1200W         $630
Beyma18SW1600Nd 10            29          .34           .33             205              32   1600W         $700

CelestionCF18VJD     9            30.54       .315         .305           164              33    1600W   330Q/$535
Em Definimax4018  7.9            27         .36            .35             238              32    800W          $305
Em Impero18C        8.13         16.1        .35            .34            317              31.5 1200W         $300
Em OmegaproA&C   4.8           18.8       .32             .31             548             25     800W          $200
Em Sigma               6.1           22.1        .3              .29             441             28     650W         $170
EV-EVX180B           6.4            22.5        .29           .27              416             29     600W
FaitalPro18hp1020   9.5           27.2       .29            .28              219             35     1000W        $400
FaitalPro18xl1600     13            28.1       .37            .36             195.5           32     1600W        $600
FANEcol-1500        12.75         32.75     .26             .25              175           33.5     1500W365Q/$590
FANEcolPrimeXS     12              22.4     .404            .385            257            33       1200W       $370
FANEcol18SB          8.25           24        .366            .346           199            36        1000W       $290
FANEcol18XB          7.5            25.9      .358            .337           236            33        1000W       $300
JBL 2242                  9             23.7      .29              .29             283            35         800W        $700
PD1850                 11.25          31        .22              .21             249            30        800W
PD1851                  12              31         .3              .29             182             34       1000W
PD186                    9              22.94     .326           .312            353             27       700W
PeaveyLOWMAX       8.25           25          .33            .32            295            33.5     1200W        $310
RCF,LF18G400          9              24.2        .29            .27             360            28        1000W       $435
RCF,LF18P400           9             24.2         .29           .27             360             28        1000W      $370

RCF,L18P300            7.8           23.5         .34           .33             226             33       1000W       $365
RCF,LF18X400           9             24.2         .29           .27             360             28       1000W       $500
Turbomax 1500M3 12.75         35.39      .218          .208           184.95       28.59     1500W
Turbomax 1800      14.1          34.03      .201          .1944          233.57       25.43    1800W
TurbomaxB1000     12.5          24.56       .3951       .3694           238.44        30.7    1000W
VOID                    10.5            34.8      .22             .22              201            34       1000W


Driver names in Blue are Lev recommended, Green are good, Red shows where the parameters have fallen outside the general requirements a bit, (but driver will still work ok)-. Purple is 'close enough' I will add to the list as time allows. Anyone with knowledge on drivers- pass it on. Thumbs Up If there are any drivers on here that are COMPLETELY incompatible with a scoop, then let me know, or copy and paste the list and take it off yourself, or if there are any drivers that should be on here let me know, or add them yourself.
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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 11:49pm
Lev (or anyone)
1/ Should the B&CTBX100 'go green" ?its only .02 off QES and its a proven driver
2/Also the RCF,L18P300 is only off 0.5 of the BL.

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Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 11:57pm
getting too technical... get a driver and listen to it. 

that colour coded list is just not right since PD186 and Fane XB have come up red...Ermm


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 12:02am
Only going by Lev's Guidelines.-

Here's quick way to choose decent "ferrite" scoop driver for scoop.

Ignore manufacturer's sensitivity figure, only consider reference efficiency, expressed as figure between 1.8 - 4.0.

Forget all Eminence, Paudio, Cerwin Vega, Peavey drivers
Forget all drivers where Xmax < 7mm
Forget all drivers with VC diam < 4"
Forget all drivers where ref efficiency (no) < 1.8
Forget all drivers with BL < 24 (Except PD186), or  Qes > 0.35, or Qts > 0.35, or Vas > 360, or Fs > 35hz




Its not engraved into stone, and everyone is entitled to there own opinions. 

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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 12:24am
EDITED:


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 12:26am
I guess I'll leave it just how it is then.Geek

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Posted By: Meat
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 12:55am
As this is gonna end up as a long-lived thread (at least I'd hope) it does seem a shame to call up some arbitary list where known good sounding and in my experience bloody loud drivers are excluded like the Fane Xb and PD186 (as Saul pointed out) just for the sake of fitting some silly made up rules.

Most of the scoop rigs I have ever heard loaded with the big man drivers sounded worse than those with some of the ones which 'don't work' according to this list. They probably weren't as loud but, lets remember SPL is more important than a nice sound.




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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 1:06am
I think that's what this thread is all about. I think some drivers might sound great, but then others might sound awesome, others brutal. All depends what your looking for and what your willing to pay, and what kind of scoop your dropping it in. I think Lev's guidelines for the list (correct me if I'm wrong) are more for Brutal SPL. If u simply must BLOW the other sound away.
The Fane XB was only .08 off. I mean really. Wouldn't stop me from buying one. A good driver by any means.


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 1:30am
Maybe I should delete my "suggestions" then, and RealitySounds, maybe you should delete all your lists, and people can just buy whatever driver, the various salesmen here are ramming down peoples throats, because they are getting trade deals on them, as opposed to being what people need.

Then wonder why it sounded crap in their scoop just before blowing. Or why another sound can batter them with half as many scoops.

People keep telling me to keep stuff to myself, and I'm now seeing why.


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 1:41am
I dunno. I mean there are members on here who have playing sound with scoops for years, and newbies who want to try their hand at building some scoops. I initially started this thread to help people who haven't a clue on which driver to buy, as I once was. I wish this thread was up a year or two ago when I was trying to get 'orange juice- squeezing some lemons.' Dropping complete wrong crap drivers in good scoop designs and getting crap out and wondering why. So if this thread helps anyone then it was worth starting. Approve


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 1:50am
Originally posted by RealitySound RealitySound wrote:

I wish this thread was up a year or two ago when I was trying to get 'orange juice- squeezing some lemons.' Dropping complete wrong crap drivers in good scoop designs and getting crap out and wondering why. So if this thread helps anyone then it was worth starting. Approve


When trying to help people results in headache, insults, stress, time to excuse yourself, and let people find things out the expensive way on their own.




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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 1:55am
Some of us on here appreciate the advice! Thumbs Up

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Posted By: DiscernAudio
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 8:49pm
Thinking about building some scoops. Should I focus on Rogs design or are there some others to pay attention to?


Posted By: Prince Zahir
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 9:06pm
Lev....ur insight is appreciloved so dont let this stop u from helping people who really seek it.


Posted By: ILuvDub
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by RealitySound RealitySound wrote:

Some of us on here appreciate the advice! Thumbs Up


Thumbs Up


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 5:04pm
Brush it off Lev! 



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Posted By: shockwavesoundz
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 10:06pm
Im located in Barbados and down here we don't have access to alot of the stuff that i see being mentioned on this site....we have speaker brands such as eminence, peavey, jbl and selenium. I think that basically named all that we get here....in a case like that what road should i take regarding good subs....i currently own 8 scoops loaded with eminence omega pros.....im not familiar with specs and stuff relating to the speaker/ box parameters but most people i know with some good sound systems down here just build boxes and load up.....any input would be appreciated.


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 16 May 2012 at 1:29am
Link goldentouch. He's a member on here and he is a woofer dealer outta Florida. I'm sure he can hook you up a deal on some decent drivers. 18 sound and such. Thumbs Up

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Posted By: shockwavesoundz
Date Posted: 16 May 2012 at 6:49am
ok thanks...i'll link him.


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 12:43am
Surely there must be some more drivers to add....anyone?

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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 02 June 2012 at 1:55am
SCOOP COMPATIBLE OR NOT?

LIST SO FAR.......

                          XMAX(7+)/ BL(24+)/ QES(-.35)/ QTS (-.35)/ VAS(-360)/FS(-35)/ RMS/GBP/USD  

(18sound) 
18W1000                7             24.7        .24           .23               268            35     1000W       $300
18LW1250               9             23.6        .28           .27              268             35     1000W        ?
18LW1400               9             24.7       .31            .29              297             31    1000W       $360
18LW2400              9.5           25.6        .32           .31              230             35     1200W      $330
18W2000                 7            27.1        .26            .25              230             37    1200W       240E
18NLW9000            14             27          .32            .31             206             34     1800W      380P
18NLW9600            14            30          .29            .28              149             34    1800W       $700
18ND9300              9.5           24.4       .29            .28              316             30     1000W       $500
18NLW9400            9.5           26          .28            .26              268             33     1200W

B&C TBX-46             9            25.8        .33            .31             227             34     1000W
discontinued
B&C TBX100            9             25.5       .37            .35              212             34    1200W        $316
B&C18PZB100          8              26        .25            .24              297             30     700W         $315
B&C18NW100           9              28        .27             .26             252             31     1200W       $400+
B&C18SW115          14           30.3        .32             .3              187             32     1700W        $582

Beyma18G50           9            28.8       .334           .325            212             40     750W         $380
Beyma18G550         9             24.4       .385          .37              210             36     900W         $390
Beyma18P1000        8              26         .37            .36             245              32    1000W        $460
Beyma18p1200ND  9.5            26.3       .35            .34             198              37   1200W         $630
Beyma18SW1600Nd 10            29          .34           .33             205              32   1600W         $700


BMS18S430v2          8             23.5        .36           .34             262              31   1200W          304E 
BMS18N850v2          13           26.2        .36           .34             247            29.7   1200W         405Q

CelestionCF18VJD     9            30.54       .315         .305           164              33    1600W   330Q/$535
CelestionFTR184080 6            22.88        .29           .27             395             26    1000W         $250

Em Definimax4018  7.9            27         .36            .35             238              32    800W          $305
Em Impero18C        8.13         16.1        .35            .34            317              31.5 1200W         $300
Em OmegaproA&C   4.8           18.8       .32             .31             548             25     800W          $200
Em Sigma               6.1           22.1        .3              .29             441             28     650W         $170

EV-EVX180B           6.4            22.5        .29           .27              416             29     600W          $535

FaitalPro18xl1600     13            28.1       .37            .36             195.5           32     1600W        $600
FP18HP1020            9.5            28          .28            .27             207             35      1000W       $400
FP18HP1040            9.5           24.5         .35           .34             196             38      1000W        $400
FP18HP1060           12.45         24.8       .38             .37             175             35      1200W       $450

FANEcol-1500        12.75         32.75     .26             .25              175           33.5     1500W365Q/$590
FANEcolPrimeXS     12              22.4     .404            .385            257            33       1200W       $370
FaneCol18B                          29.5      .207            .197            320          30.5      400W           ?
FaneCol18B600       7.2           25.25     .245            .236           354            29        600W
FaneCol18B800       7.2           25.25     .245            .236           354            32        800W
FANEcol18SB          8.25           24        .366            .346           199            36        1000W       $290
FANEcol18XB          7.5            25.9      .358            .337           236            33        1000W Q197$300

JBL 2242                  9             23.7      .29              .29             283            35         800W        $700

P-AudioSD18-1700N 7.5          33.7        .39            .38            88.6            44        1700W
P AudioSD18                        35.8        .27            .26             264            33         800W

PD1850                 11.25          31        .22              .21             249            30        800W         Q335
PD1851                  12              31         .3              .29             182             34       1000W        Q359
PD186                    9              22.94     .326           .312            353             27       700W         Q193

PeaveyLOWMAX       8.25           25          .33            .32            295            33.5     1200W        $368
PeaveyLowRider       9.6           22.17      .356          .342            288           28.9      800W         $205


Radian2218NEO      21.3           29.85       .283         .257           329.4         31.4      1300W       $800

RCF,LF18G400          9              24.2        .29            .27             360            28        1000W       $435
RCF LF18X451         13.5           30.5        .29            .28             220            30        1800W      $500
RCF LF18N451         8.8             30.2        .25           .24             245             31       1500W      
RCF,LF18X400           9             24.2         .29           .27             360             28       1000W       $500
RCF,L18p200-N
         9.8           23.1       .32            .31             380             28        800W        $365
RCF,L18P300            7.8           23.5         .34           .33             226             33       1000W       $390
RCF,LF18P400           9             24.2         .29           .27             360             28       1000W       $370
RCF LF18N401          8.8            27.8       .27           .26              257             32        1200W      $410

TC.SoundsLmsUltra5400 38.1        26.8        .34           .33             240.7         20.5      2000W
TC PRO 5100             31                          .25           .25            251            26.5      1000W      $1290

Turbomax 1500M3 12.75         35.39      .218          .208           184.95       28.59     1500W      Q320
Turbomax 1800      14.1          34.03      .201          .1944          233.57       25.43    1800W      Q300
TurbomaxB1000     12.5          24.56       .3951       .3694           238.44        30.7    1000W      Q227

VOID                     10.5            34.8       .22             .22              201            34       1000W      Q235

Wembly B Line        10             24.17       .26            .24              412            25        800W


Driver names in Blue tried & tested, Green are good, Red shows where the parameters have fallen outside the general requirements a bit,..but driver will still work fine, just not as great as the others (green) for max spl. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on how certain drivers sound in certain scoops,...so to each their own, horses for courses etc.  Purple is 'close enough' I will add to the list as time allows. Anyone with knowledge on particular drivers, or personal experience with a specific drivers performance in a particular scoop- pass it on. Thumbs Up If there are any drivers that should be on here, let me know. This is a GUIDE. Nothing engraved in stone.



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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 14 July 2012 at 3:36pm
Added some more Fane & RCF drivers.

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Posted By: DJ Maestro
Date Posted: 11 September 2012 at 7:18am
Hi there,

Can i use peavey low rider in scoop or folded horn cabs..

these are the specs: 
  • - Impedance: 8 Ohms
  • - Power Capacity: 3200 Peak 1600 W Program 800 W Continuous
  • - Sensitivity: 93.7 dB / 1 W 1 m
  • - Usable Freq. Range: 25 Hz ~ 1 kHz
  • - Cone: Kevlar® impregnated cellulose
  • - Voice Coil Diameter: 4.0"/ 100 mm
  • - Voice Coil Material: Polyimide coated copper ribbon wire Polyimide-impregnated fiberglass former Nomex® stiffener Solderless diffusion welded OFHC copper leads
  • - Net weight: 22 lbs./ 10 kg
  • - Znom (ohms): 8
  • - Revc (ohms): 6.21
  • - Sd (Square Meters): 0.134
  • - BL (T/M): 22.17
  • - Fo (Hz): 28.9
  • - Vas (liters): 288.0
  • - Cms (uM/N): 113.3
  • - Mms (gm): 198.20
  • - Qms: 9.07
  • - Qes: 0.451
  • - Qts: 0.429
  • - Xmax (mm): 9.6
  • - Le (mH): 0.87
  • - SPL (1W 1m): 96.0
  • - No (%): 2.65%
  • - Vd (cu. in. /ml): 145/2375
  • - Pmax (Watts pgm.): 1600
  • - Disp (cu.in./ml): 235/3852


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 11 September 2012 at 3:29pm
The BL is a little low for high power tight throat conditions.

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Posted By: DJ Maestro
Date Posted: 11 September 2012 at 6:00pm
@Reality thanx for replying so fast, keep up the good work man.
can i use this one? 
Eros E-818 800w rms 8ohm sds (this is brasilian made)
TECHNICAL DESCRIPTION
NOMINAL DIAMETER 18 inches
DIAMETER FERRITE 220 X 25 mm
BARIUM FERRITE MATERIAL
DIAMETER COIL 4 inches
FORM COIL FIBERGLASS
COIL HEIGHT 29 mm
GAP HEIGHT 14 mm
MATERIAL COPPER WIRE COIL
SECTION COIL WIRE ROUND
MATERIAL OF ALUMINUM CASTING
FREQUENCY RESPONSE 25 ~ 1000 Hz
Sensitivity (1 W @ 1 m) - FREE AIR 96.18 dB / SPL
MAXIMUM POWER (RMS) 800W
MUSICAL POWER 1600 W
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8
CONE AREA 0.12 sq.m
RESONANCE FREQUENCY 31 Hz
VOLUME EQUIVALENT 300.12 L
MECHANIC Q 6.368 (Qms)
ELECTRIC Q 0.337 (Qes)
Q TOTAL 0.32 (Qts)
PRODUCT BL 23.849 TM
IN (REFERENCE EFFICIENCY) 2.6%
COMPLIANCE (CMS) 140.1 uM / N
TOTAL MASS (MMS) 179.62 g
MASS DIAPHRAGM (MMD) 155.51 g
CONE TOUR WITHOUT DISTORTION (X MAX) 7.5 mm ±
GAP FLUX DENSITY 10,000 Gauss


Posted By: DJ Maestro
Date Posted: 11 September 2012 at 6:07pm
The country where i living, we have more speakers from china, brands like CBU and SANDY...or Zebra, Eros, selenium and peavey, soundbarrier etc.. i want make 4 horn loaded/scoop cab but really don't know what driver to chose...all information is welcome.....

Thanx



Posted By: JahMic
Date Posted: 23 September 2012 at 5:06pm
So did you test any of the driver out yet in the lev scoop?


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 23 September 2012 at 7:02pm
Haha, not touching that one. The LevRS-Scoop thread has been 'frozen' for a reason.
However there will be numerous testing on numerous drivers in the Hog, and a couple other scoops throughout the next month as time allows.

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Posted By: JahMic
Date Posted: 14 October 2012 at 6:38am
Ok. Can you PM how the faital pro 1020 did verses the B&c tbx100


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 14 October 2012 at 5:20pm
 I don't have a TBX100, I have the TBX46 which is an older model but quite similar. Honestly I love the sound of the TBX, and haven't played around with the FP1020 enough to create any opinion on it yet, Or one vs the other etc. I must admit when I took it out of the box it was so light it felt like a toy. (Have trouble believing it could take 1KW without catching on fire) I'm afraid work and life in general is getting in the way of scoop experiments right now, but will post with progress as time allows.

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Posted By: DiscernAudio
Date Posted: 19 October 2012 at 7:28pm
Is this list for a particular scoop?


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 19 October 2012 at 9:05pm
No..............., more of a guide for scoops/rear loaded folded horns in general.

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Posted By: DiscernAudio
Date Posted: 19 October 2012 at 9:50pm
it would be cool to determine which parameter values work well for different scoops.
For instance, we know driver A and B work well in hog, and drivers C and D work well in Super, etc.

Do you have this in an excel file?


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 20 October 2012 at 2:49am
Originally posted by DiscernAudio DiscernAudio wrote:

it would be cool to determine which parameter values work well for different scoops.
For instance, we know driver A and B work well in hog, and drivers C and D work well in Super, etc.


I agree. Only thing is some people prefer the sound of 'driver A' in cabinet Z and others like driver B in it better. So it is true that the parameters do influence the sound in different designs of scoops, size of rear chambers etc. but alot is what sound you like and what result you are looking for. Raw SPL? Musicality? Long throw? Short? etc etc.

To quote Rog-

Its all about matching the compliance with the front chamber. Large compliance woofers work well with larger front chambers and will play lower, but will not be as loud as low compliance woofers in scoops with smaller front chambers. These scoops will not play as low but will be loud, hard and in ya face. All depends on how many scoops you are going to use. If its only ever 3 or 4 in a stack then go with a larger front chamber and high compliance woofer. If you always use 6 or more in a stack then use a small front chamber with low compliance woofer as having a lot of scoops will slow down the transient response and drop the high corner frequency. So scoops that are a bit too fast and play high well are the ones you need if you plan on using lots all the time.

Another rule of thumb with scoops and compliance is try to make the front chamber 4 times less than the Vas. So if the woofer has a Vas of 200 litres then make the front chamber 50 litres. Woofers with a high Vas of around 400 need a front chamber of around 100 litres to work well.
 
The problem with large front chambers is that the horn path is shorter for a given cabinet size. This tends to make the woofer uncouple at a higher frequency and thorw will not be as far as with a small front chamber longer horn. Also try and aim for a driver resonance 3 to 4Hz lower than the 1/4wl tuning of the horn. This will add a bit of reactance and add a small amount of gain around the cutoff. But at the expense of a steeper rolloff.


No excel, sorry.



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Posted By: DiscernAudio
Date Posted: 01 November 2012 at 5:09pm
thoughts on the B&C 18pzb100 in a super??
i know it falls within the params, but maybe someone can help read a little deeper


Posted By: DiscernAudio
Date Posted: 08 January 2013 at 4:03am
Originally posted by RealitySound RealitySound wrote:


To quote Rog-

Its all about matching the compliance with the front chamber. Large compliance woofers work well with larger front chambers and will play lower, but will not be as loud as low compliance woofers in scoops with smaller front chambers. These scoops will not play as low but will be loud, hard and in ya face. All depends on how many scoops you are going to use. If its only ever 3 or 4 in a stack then go with a larger front chamber and high compliance woofer. If you always use 6 or more in a stack then use a small front chamber with low compliance woofer as having a lot of scoops will slow down the transient response and drop the high corner frequency. So scoops that are a bit too fast and play high well are the ones you need if you plan on using lots all the time.

Another rule of thumb with scoops and compliance is try to make the front chamber 4 times less than the Vas. So if the woofer has a Vas of 200 litres then make the front chamber 50 litres. Woofers with a high Vas of around 400 need a front chamber of around 100 litres to work well.
 
The problem with large front chambers is that the horn path is shorter for a given cabinet size. This tends to make the woofer uncouple at a higher frequency and thorw will not be as far as with a small front chamber longer horn. Also try and aim for a driver resonance 3 to 4Hz lower than the 1/4wl tuning of the horn. This will add a bit of reactance and add a small amount of gain around the cutoff. But at the expense of a steeper rolloff.




Thanks for that,  where can I find more info of this nature???
The reason I ask is that Im looking to design some scoops for some easily-available, US market drivers; B&C, Celestion,(others?)




Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 08 January 2013 at 6:22am
PM'd



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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 25 January 2013 at 12:04am
Did anyone try that rcf lf18lx451? Looks sweet to me

I have 4 pcs of the lf18n451, they do the best job of all the drivers i tried in my hybrid horns, pd.1850 is quite equal but has a harder sound and won't take as much beating as the rcf according to the specs. I'm not sure about rms ratings, for instance a pd.1850 easily beats l18p300 1000w and 18b800w, but this all depends on the cabs too i know... Oups Sorry for running a bit off topic here.


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 25 January 2013 at 12:33am
Lets see a pic of the hybrid hornBig smile


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 25 January 2013 at 12:41am
This is not facebook:-)
Here's the plan:
http://www.groundsound.com/Loudspeakers/GroundSound%20950%20x%201000%20horn.pdf

Perhaps you can even "like" it with that facebookbutton in the bottomTongue


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 27 January 2013 at 10:13pm
Yesterday I just heard 4 scoops loaded with brand new lfx401, they did a good job
but damn why didn't he buy the lf18x451:-(


Posted By: t.geessounds
Date Posted: 27 January 2013 at 11:31pm
tbx or pzb 100 which one would u guys go with????


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 27 January 2013 at 11:35pm
B&C TBX100            9             25.5       .37            .35              212             34    1200W        $316
B&C18PZB100          8              26        .25            .24              297             30     700W         $315


I would have said the zb100 definately until I saw the power handling.


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Posted By: Ras Loud
Date Posted: 27 January 2013 at 11:37pm
Originally posted by tv00 tv00 wrote:

Yesterday I just heard 4 scoops loaded with brand new lfx401, they did a good job
but damn why didn't he buy the lf18x451:-(


Maybe because 1800 W AES is much more than needed for a scoop?


Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 28 January 2013 at 1:38am
how much is "needed" for a scoop?

some say 400W, others 800W, even 1.2kW - 1.6kW..

depends on what you are after i would say...

TV00 you have anything to do with Dandelion?
Ras where you from? Seen your posts on Rootssound aswell..


Posted By: _Natty_
Date Posted: 14 February 2013 at 6:38pm
I made a quick search on the forum and over this post but there is no mention about EBP, I know thats  just a relationship between two factors allready given ( Fs/Qes), 
but I'd like to understand
 how much, and also how in comparision with the rest of the given parameters of a speaker is important for having aggressive or sounding response for a driver loaded in a super...


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 14 February 2013 at 9:53pm
HERE IS A FEW DRIVERS WHERE I WORKED OUT THE EBP FOR THE 1850/186 HORN,........
SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO CHIME IN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION........Wink


quote from 1850 plan- "PD 1850 and other drivers with an EBP over 125 and BL's over 28. For drivers with EBP's around 110 or lower use the 186 horn." Green is somewhere in between. Brown have the high EBP, but the BL is less than 28.

                            XMAX/     BL         /   QES        / QTS          / VAS           /FS       / RMS/      EBP

(18sound) 
18LW2400              9.5           25.6        .32           .31              230             35     1200W       109.4
18W2000                 7            27.1        .26            .25              230             37    1200W       142.3
18NLW9600            14            30          .29            .28              149             34    1800W       117.2
18W1000                7             24.7        .24           .23               268            35     1000W       145
18LW1250               9             23.6        .28           .27              268             35     1000W      134.6
18LW1400               9             24.7       .31            .29              297             31    1000W       100
18ND9300              9.5           24.4       .29            .28              316             30     1000W       103.4

B&C TBX100            9             25.5       .37            .35              212             34    1200W        91.8
B&C18PZB100          8              26        .25            .24              297             30     700W         120
B&C18NW100           9              28        .27             .26             252             31     1200W       114
B&C18SW115          14           30.3        .32             .3              187             32     1700W        100

Beyma18G550         9             24.4       .
385          .37              210             36     900W          93
Beyma18P1000        8              26         .37            .36             245              32    1000W         86
Beyma18SW1600Nd 10            29          .34           .33             205              32   1600W          94

Beyma18G50           9            28.8       .334           .325            212             40     750W         119.7
Beyma18p1200ND  9.5            26.3       .35            .34             198              37   1200W         105.7

BMS18S430v2          8             23.5        .36           .34             262              31   1200W          86 
BMS18N850v2          13           26.2        .36           .34             247            29.7   1200W         82.5

CelestionCF18VJD     9            30.54       .315         .305           164              33    1600W         104.7

Em Definimax4018  7.9            27         .36            .35             238              32    800W            88.8
Em http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=293&type=2&ext=330752143371&item=330752143371" rel="nofollow - Impero18C        8.13         16.1        .35            .34            317              31.5 1200W           90
Em Sigma               6.1           22.1        .3              .29             441             28     650W           93
Em OmegaproA&C   4.8           18.8       .32             .31             548             25     800W           78

FaitalPro18xl1600     13            28.1      
.37            .36             195.5           32     1600W         86
FP18HP1040            9.5           24.5         .35           .34             196             38      1000W        108.5
FP18HP1060           12.45         24.8       .38             .37             175             35      1200W        92
FP18HP1020            9.5            28          .28            .27             207             35      1000W       125

FANEcol-1500        12.75         32.75     .26             .25              175           33.5     1500W       128.8
FANEcolPrimeXS     12              22.4     .404            .385            257            33       1200W        81.6
FaneCol18B600       7.2           25.25     .245            .236           354            29        600W         118.3
FaneCol18B800       7.2           25.25     .245            .236           354            32        800W         130.6
FANEcol18SB          8.25           24       
.366            .346           199            36        1000W        98.3
FANEcol18XB          7.5            25.9      .358            .337           236            33        1000W         92

JBL 2242                  9             23.7      .29              .29             283            35         800W        120

PD1850                 11.25          31        .22              .21             249            30        800W         136
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=220&type=2&ext=330866191637&item=330866191637" rel="nofollow - PD1851                   12              31         .3              .29             182             34       1000W        113
PD186                     9            22.94      .326           .312            353
            27        700W         82.8
PD188                      6           26.59      .289           .28              224            37         600W        139

PeaveyLOWMAX       8.25           25          .33            .32            295            33.5     1200W       101.5

RCFL18P300            7.8             23.5        .34            .33            226             33       1000W        97

RCF LF18X451         13.5           30.5        .29            .28             220            30        1800W       103
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=293&type=2&ext=330752166631&item=330752166631" rel="nofollow -

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=293&type=2&ext=390433077143&item=390433077143" rel="nofollow - RCF LF18N401           8.8            27.8       .27           .26              257             32        1200W     118.5
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=293&type=2&ext=390433063991&item=390433063991" rel="nofollow - RCF,LF18G400           9              24.2        .29            .27             360            28        1000W       96.6
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=293&type=2&ext=330752166631&item=330752166631" rel="nofollow - RCF,LF18X400            9             24.2         .29           .27             360             28       1000W       96.6
RCF,L18p200-N
         9.8           23.1       .32            .31             380             28        800W        87.5
RCF,LF18P400           9             24.2         .29           .27             360             28       1000W        96.6
 

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=293&type=2&ext=390433077143&item=390433077143" rel="nofollow -
TurbomaxB1000     12.5          24.56       .3951       .3694           238.44        30.7    1000W      77.7
Turbomax 1500M3 12.75         35.39      .218          .208           184.95       28.59     1500W      131.1
Turbomax 1800      14.1          34.03      .201          .1944          233.57       25.43    1800W      126.5

VOID                     10.5            34.8       .22             .22              201            34       1000W     154.5


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Posted By: _Natty_
Date Posted: 15 February 2013 at 10:42am
there is no guide line likes this for a super?


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 16 February 2013 at 2:21am
Not that I know of.......


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Posted By: UpComingSound
Date Posted: 16 February 2013 at 7:45pm
if they fit in the super i guess they should work


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 09 May 2013 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by Ras Loud Ras Loud wrote:


Maybe because 1800 W AES is much more than needed for a scoop?


Look at realitysounds post, he doesn't even list the x401, why? -Because it haven't got that high EBP I guess, this is not only a questin about watts, but more of a question about EBP, BL & Xmax.

By the way: you ALLWAYS need more power and sensivity right:-)
-Otherwise just build a refleks, they're much smaller and you wont need 6 a side to go down really low:-)


Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 09 May 2013 at 1:35pm
There is probably lost of drivers that are not on this list. If anyone notices that there is one that should have probably made the list, then by all means drop a line........
This list is a guide for people who haven't the foggiest about choosing a driver for a rear loaded horn, as which I once was. Knowledge has been passed on to me, and I am passing it on to the masses. The list is open to scrutiny.
Bless.


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 09 May 2013 at 1:46pm
                        XMAX(7+)/ BL(24+)/ QES(-.35)/ QTS (-.35)/ VAS(-360)/FS(-35)/ RMS/GBP/USD  

(18sound) 
18W1000                7             24.7        .24           .23               268            35     1000W       $300
18LW1250               9             23.6        .28           .27              268             35     1000W        ?
18LW1400               9             24.7       .31            .29              297             31    1000W       $360
18LW2400              9.5           25.6        .32           .31              230             35     1200W      $330
18W2000                 7            27.1        .26            .25              230             37    1200W       240E
18NLW9000            14             27          .32            .31             206             34     1800W      380P
18NLW9600            14            30          .29            .28              149             34    1800W       $700
18NLW9601            14            30           .28            .28             164             34     1800W
18ND9300              9.5           24.4       .29            .28              316             30     1000W       $500
18NLW9400            9.5           26          .28            .26              268             33     1200W

B&C TBX-46             9            25.8        .33            .31             227             34     1000W
discontinued
B&C TBX100            9             25.5       .37            .35              212             34    1200W        $316
B&C18PZB100          8              26        .25            .24              297             30     700W         $315
B&CPS76                  7             25.8      .29            .27                                39     600W          $200
B&C18NW100           9              28        .27             .26             252             31     1200W       $400+
B&C18SW115          14           30.3        .32             .3              187             32     1700W        $582

Beyma18G50           9            28.8       .334           .325            212             40     750W         $380
Beyma18G550         9             24.4       .385          .37              210             36     900W         $390
Beyma18P1000        8              26         .37            .36             245              32    1000W        $460
Beyma18p1200ND  9.5            26.3       .35            .34             198              37   1200W         $630
Beyma18PW1400     10            29          .28           .27             229              32    1400W         
Beyma18SW1600Nd 10            29          .34           .33             205              32   1600W         $700



BMS18S430v2          8             23.5        .36           .34             262              31   1200W          304E 
BMS18N850v2          13           26.2        .36           .34             247            29.7   1200W         405Q

CelestionCF18VJD     9            30.54       .315         .305           164              33    1600W   330Q/$535
CelestionFTR184080 6            22.88        .29           .27             395             26    1000W         $250
Ciare 18SW              14          35.           .47           .45              92              36     800W           $400

Em Definimax4018  7.9            27         .36            .35             238              32    800W          $305
Em Impero18C        8.13         16.1        .35            .34            317              31.5 1200W         $300
Em OmegaproA&C   4.8           18.8       .32             .31             548             25     800W          $200
Em Sigma               6.1           22.1        .3              .29             441             28     650W         $170

EV-EVX180B           6.4            22.5        .29           .27              416             29     600W          $535

FaitalPro18xl1600     13            28.1       .37            .36             195.5           32     1600W        $600
FP18HP1020            9.5            28          .28            .27             207             35      1000W       $400
FP18HP1040            9.5           24.5         .35           .34             196             38      1000W        $400
FP18HP1060           12.45         24.8       .38             .37             175             35      1200W       $450

FANEcol-1500        12.75         32.75     .26             .25              175           33.5     1500W365Q/$590
FANEcolPrimeXS     12              22.4     .404            .385            257            33       1200W       $370
FaneCol18B                          29.5      .207            .197            320          30.5      400W           ?
FaneCol18B600       7.2           25.25     .245            .236           354            29        600W
FaneCol18B800       7.2           25.25     .245            .236           354            32        800W
FANEcol18SB          8.25           24        .366            .346           199            36        1000W       $290
FANEcol18XB          7.5            25.9      .358            .337           236            33        1000W Q197$300

JBL 2242                  9             23.7      .29              .29             283            35         800W        $700

P-AudioSD18-1700N 7.5          33.7        .39            .38            88.6            44        1700W
P AudioSD18                        35.8        .27            .26             264            33         800W

PD1850                 11.25          31        .22              .21             249            30        800W         Q335
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=220&type=2&ext=330909389457&item=330909389457" rel="nofollow - PD1851                   12              31         .3              .29             182             34       1000W        Q359
PD1852                  12              32         .34            .33             129.1          40        1000W       Q398
PD186                    9              22.94     .326           .312            353             27       700W         Q193

PeaveyLOWMAX       8.25           25          .33            .32            295            33.5     1200W        $368
PeaveyLowRider       9.6           22.17      .356          .342            288           28.9      800W         $205


Radian2218NEO      21.3           29.85       .283         .257           329.4         31.4      1300W       $800

RCF,LF18G400          9              24.2        .29            .27             360            28        1000W       $435
RCF LF18G401         8.5             24.6       .29            .30             268             33        900W         ?
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=293&type=2&ext=230974964099&item=230974964099" rel="nofollow - RCF LF18X451          13.5           30.5        .29            .28             220            30        1800W      $500
RCF LF18N451         8.8             30.2        .25           .24             245             31       1500W      
RCF,LF18X400           9             24.2         .29           .27             360             28       1000W       $500
RCF,L18p200-N
         9.8           23.1       .32            .31             380             28        800W        $365
RCF,L18P300            7.8           23.5         .34           .33             226             33       1000W       $390
RCF,LF18P400           9             24.2         .29           .27             360             28       1000W       $370
RCF LF18N401          8.8            27.8       .27           .26              257             32        1200W      $410
RCFLF18X401           11.5          26.5        .31           .30              274            30        1500W      $400

TC.SoundsLmsUltra5400 38.1        26.8        .34           .33             240.7         20.5      2000W
TC PRO 5100             31                          .25           .25            251            26.5      1000W      $1290

Turbomax 1500M3 12.75         35.39      .218          .208           184.95       28.59     1500W      Q320
Turbomax 1800      14.1          34.03      .201          .1944          233.57       25.43    1800W      Q300
TurbomaxB1000     12.5          24.56       .3951       .3694           238.44        30.7    1000W      Q227

VOID                     10.5            34.8       .22             .22              201            34       1000W      Q235

Wembly B Line        10             24.17       .26            .24              412            25        800W


Driver names in Blue tried & tested, Green are good, Red shows where the parameters have fallen outside the ideal specs a bit,..but driver will still work, just not as great as the others (green) for max spl. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on how certain drivers sound in certain scoops,...so to each their own, horses for courses etc.  Purple is 'close enough' I will add to the list as time allows. Anyone with knowledge on particular drivers, or personal experience with a specific drivers performance in a particular scoop- pass it on. Thumbs Up If there are any drivers that should be on here, let me know. This is a GUIDE. Nothing engraved in stone.




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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 09 May 2013 at 6:44pm
I like the sound and the customers certainly like the sound so how can I not recommend the B and C 18SW115.

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