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Topic: SP12 and SP10 Midrange horns
Posted By: mykey-
Subject: SP12 and SP10 Midrange horns
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 2:44pm
SP12 dimensions are 'horn only' 555mm (55.5cm) width x 424mm (42.5cm) height x 470mm (47cm) depth. This does not include total depth including the phase ring, driver flange, and back bowl








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Posted By: t.geessounds
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 4:04pm
look good


Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 4:05pm
That's what I was talking about Wink


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 4:23pm
Price?

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 5:14pm
you trying to get me in trouble Marjanm? : )

price is on FSP


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Posted By: soundsystemdan
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 6:27pm
can you recommend drivers? (available in the uk)
and crossover frequencies?


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 7:39pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

you trying to get me in trouble Marjanm? : )

price is on FSP

What you mean?


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Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 8:58pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

you trying to get me in trouble Marjanm? : )

price is on FSP

What you mean?

I'd imagine http://www.freespeakerplans.com/component/adsmanager/4-misc/92-sp12-midrange-horn?Itemid=220" rel="nofollow - it's this Marjan.


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 10:03pm
Why is it wrong to say the price here? I dont get it? Mykey is not some unknown guy that is trying to get someones money.
And we are not talking sale here. Just exchanging information.


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Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 10:47pm
looking good Myk, bout time aswell Thumbs Up


Posted By: el_dj
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 11:01pm
dispersion and in what frequency range?

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Posted By: dwens
Date Posted: 17 July 2012 at 2:04pm
These would be perfect for me! Sadly the diameter is a couple of inches too large..

Any plans to do a 10inch version? Wink

D


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 17 July 2012 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by dwens dwens wrote:

These would be perfect for me! Sadly the diameter is a couple of inches too large..

Any plans to do a 10inch version? Wink

D
I'll PM you


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Posted By: dashaudio
Date Posted: 17 July 2012 at 6:27pm
what would be the ideal frequency response for these units 120hz to 1.2k maybe thnking a bms 4550 ontop



Posted By: Aztor
Date Posted: 18 July 2012 at 8:05pm
Does these fit PD 121 and PD123ERs? 


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 19 July 2012 at 6:10am
yes

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Posted By: Aztor
Date Posted: 25 July 2012 at 3:42pm
Don't have the funds right now, but are you shipping to Norway?




Posted By: JD01
Date Posted: 27 July 2012 at 12:48am
I'd be interested in a 10" version, too. But if this is a no-can-do, 12" would be ok. What's the upper useable cutoff and what italian speakers would be fitting?


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 8:38am
yes, 10's available

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 8:53am
Originally posted by JD01 JD01 wrote:

I'd be interested in a 10" version, too. But if this is a no-can-do, 12" would be ok. What's the upper useable cutoff and what italian speakers would be fitting?
was designed around the 12PE32

most 12'' midrange drivers with a medium sized dust-cap will fitThumbs Up

graph above is with the Paudio SN12b, I think that driver is discontinued though?







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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 10:42am
Originally posted by Aztor Aztor wrote:

Don't have the funds right now, but are you shipping to Norway?


From the UK yes. Not from here Dead


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Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 10:58am
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Originally posted by JD01 JD01 wrote:

I'd be interested in a 10" version, too. But if this is a no-can-do, 12" would be ok. What's the upper useable cutoff and what italian speakers would be fitting?
was designed around the 12PE32

most 12'' midrange drivers with a medium sized dust-cap will fitThumbs Up

graph above is with the Paudio SN12b, I think that driver is discontinued though?


Yup. So graph should be even more efficient with a slightly lower low end with the PE?


Posted By: GUSTEK
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 11:23am
edit woops

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Posted By: GUSTEK
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 11:25am
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Originally posted by JD01 JD01 wrote:

I'd be interested in a 10" version, too. But if this is a no-can-do, 12" would be ok. What's the upper useable cutoff and what italian speakers would be fitting?
was designed around the 12PE32

most 12'' midrange drivers with a medium sized dust-cap will fitThumbs Up

graph above is with the Paudio SN12b, I think that driver is discontinued though?

didn't read that!!! is there a graph for PE? 







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Posted By: Max_SPL
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 1:20pm
Hi Mykey

Very nice job on these, could you please PM me about delivery times for 4 of these

Regards

Shaun


Posted By: GUSTEK
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 3:50pm
how would this driver go? or any of the new B&C 12''

http://www.bcspeakers.com/product.php?id=363


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 01 August 2012 at 8:57am
That be a bass driver Gustek

any good midrange 12


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 03 August 2012 at 3:33am
Originally posted by el_dj el_dj wrote:

dispersion and in what frequency range?
Dispersion 60 H  x  40  V

Frequency range is 128 hz - 2 k

usable frequency range is 135 hz - 1.6 k



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Posted By: supremesoundz
Date Posted: 03 August 2012 at 5:08am
Looks impressive Mykey. What is the ultimate driver for this? Might be an idea just to list the best and most suited 12's as it will get asked again and again. For non cab builders have you a design which can be given to a carpenter etc. Pm me if necessary


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 03 August 2012 at 5:20am
Thanks supreme

12PE32.

Graph is with the Paudio SN12B.......lovely sound. 

See Tony ASS on here for them


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 03 August 2012 at 5:22am
Originally posted by supremesoundz supremesoundz wrote:

Looks impressive Mykey. What is the ultimate driver for this? Might be an idea just to list the best and most suited 12's as it will get asked again and again. For non cab builders have you a design which can be given to a carpenter etc. Pm me if necessary
You mean to house the SP12?




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Posted By: supremesoundz
Date Posted: 03 August 2012 at 5:58am
Yep. If it to be used in non instalation uses. Together with a good 1.5 or 2 inch cd


Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 03 August 2012 at 6:24am
Originally posted by supremesoundz supremesoundz wrote:

Yep. If it to be used in non instalation uses. Together with a good 1.5 or 2 inch cd


you could just build an mt121 shell shape, you have the depth of the SP12 , and then just drop it in.


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Posted By: Aztor
Date Posted: 05 September 2012 at 11:14am
Can you repost the prices? 

Is it possible to get discount if buying 4+?


Posted By: jwdrain
Date Posted: 18 October 2012 at 3:57am
Can the 12" horn section of an MT121 be modified to accomodate these?


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 18 October 2012 at 7:25am
Cut out is 515mm x 380mm

Horn size front is 558mm x 427mm



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Posted By: phildat
Date Posted: 10 November 2012 at 5:34pm
Hi mykey.these look good.so the plug allows a higher cut off of the 12s? Im sick of hauling my Mt122s so once i sell them these might be utilised in re build? Any in the uk at the mo. For sale? Please let me know details re availability and whatnot.


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Posted By: phildat
Date Posted: 10 November 2012 at 5:34pm

Double post.

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 11 November 2012 at 4:27am
Originally posted by phildat phildat wrote:

Hi mykey.these look good.so the plug allows a higher cut off of the 12s? Im sick of hauling my Mt122s so once i sell them these might be utilised in re build? Any in the uk at the mo. For sale? Please let me know details re availability and whatnot.
yes

Will be 14 arriving. Member Max_SPL has 6 coming Wink




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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 11 November 2012 at 4:32am
Originally posted by Aztor Aztor wrote:

Can you repost the prices? 

Is it possible to get discount if buying 4+?
Not sure if I can????

I'll stick some numbers up without the currency symbol Shocked

2 x 240
4 x 205
6 x 185


only till end of December


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Posted By: Max_SPL
Date Posted: 11 November 2012 at 8:42am
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:



Originally posted by phildat phildat wrote:

Hi mykey.these look good.so the plug allows a higher cut off of the 12s? Im sick of hauling my Mt122s so once i sell them these might be utilised in re build? Any in the uk at the mo. For sale? Please let me know details re availability and whatnot.
yes

Will be 14 arriving. Member Max_SPL has 6 coming Wink

I'm like a dog with six tails waiting for them, not sure which one to wag first


   


Posted By: Ryan94
Date Posted: 08 December 2012 at 2:50pm
Just what im looking for, are there any of these left in the UK? I'm interested in a pair.


Posted By: Ryan94
Date Posted: 08 December 2012 at 2:52pm
Do they come with a back bowl?


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 09 December 2012 at 6:33am
complete.....

back bowl. Horn. rear and front phase bung. Alloy center phase bung bracket


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Posted By: cncington
Date Posted: 16 December 2012 at 7:56pm
when are these available to purchase mikey?



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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 2:04am
You have to order now for January

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Posted By: Max_SPL
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 9:08am
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

You have to order now for January
Will there be an extra two available for me in the container. pm me if there are as I will be interested.

Shaun


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 10:56am
Now I'm confused. You already have 6 and you want another 2?


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Posted By: Max_SPL
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Now I'm confused. You already have 6 and you want another 2?
Yes if another two are available in the shipment I will buy them

Cheers Shaun


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 18 December 2012 at 7:21am
Yes no probs


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Posted By: Max_SPL
Date Posted: 18 December 2012 at 7:50am
Perfect, now i can have two complete systemsBig smile

any idea of arrival dates yet?


Posted By: boots-hifi
Date Posted: 24 December 2012 at 10:09pm
Originally posted by Max_SPL Max_SPL wrote:

Perfect, now i can have two complete systemsBig smile

any idea of arrival dates yet?


I spoke to mykey and he says the horns are getting shipped mid week and should take aprox 4-5 weeks from now. He also mention bringing the moulds to the uk too. Fingers crossed otherwise ill be buying some stasys instead


Posted By: Marrie87y
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 2:34am
hi ,mykey ,did you have the horn for 10" ?and what it is about the size ?


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 3:57am
you must have a massive choice in China my friend


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Posted By: Marrie87y
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 8:01am
did you have any recommend to me ?i must need the same model ,but for 10"


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 8:38am
This is your website? according to your profile.

http://www.noichaudio.com/en/products.php?tid=87

http://www.noichaudio.com/en/products.php?tid=147


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 8:42am
http://www.noichaudio.com/en/productsd.php?pid=208

what did you do with the Yamaha badge?


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Posted By: studio45
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 2:30pm
Hehe....busted :)

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Posted By: Marrie87y
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 12:23am
yes ,this is our website ,we are the audio equipment manufacturer in China.Because there is some new design need the horn .
 
And the Yamaha model is for copy .


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 12:35am
Originally posted by Marrie87y Marrie87y wrote:

yes ,this is our website ,we are the audio equipment manufacturer in China.Because there is some new design need the horn .
 
And the Yamaha model is for copy .

Ah, so why dont you just say you need one horn from Mykey to copy it.


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Posted By: Marrie87y
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 1:53am

it is a good ideas ,but we do not copy the speaker accessories !we just to make the complete products !Embarrassed



Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 2:07am
''we just to make the complete products''

make some then


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 2:32am
Originally posted by Marrie87y Marrie87y wrote:

it is a good ideas ,but we do not copy the speaker accessories !we just to make the complete products !Embarrassed


So what do you call then those JBL EON and RCF ART, and a few other copied boxes on your site?
Not to mention the Yamaha amps.

I am still amazed how the most populated country in the world is not able to come whit a unique products but have to copy whatever they can.


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Posted By: Marrie87y
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 3:01am
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Originally posted by Marrie87y Marrie87y wrote:

it is a good ideas ,but we do not copy the speaker accessories !we just to make the complete products !Embarrassed


So what do you call then those JBL EON and RCF ART, and a few other copied boxes on your site?
Not to mention the Yamaha amps.

I am still amazed how the most populated country in the world is not able to come whit a unique products but have to copy whatever they can.
 
Did you know OEM ? why we used the copied boxes ,because the others need it .We are the factory ,make the OEM and ODM .Most of the brand and the products ,they just offer the design to the factory ,and the factory will be according to the design to make produce .
Why most of the country to copy the others products ,that must to asked the products engineers and the market.
Your existence seems to have meaning, for someone needs you !
 
 
 


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 3:56am
Originally posted by Marrie87y Marrie87y wrote:

Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Originally posted by Marrie87y Marrie87y wrote:

it is a good ideas ,but we do not copy the speaker accessories !we just to make the complete products !Embarrassed


So what do you call then those JBL EON and RCF ART, and a few other copied boxes on your site?
Not to mention the Yamaha amps.

I am still amazed how the most populated country in the world is not able to come whit a unique products but have to copy whatever they can.
 
Did you know OEM ? why we used the copied boxes ,because the others need it .
 
 
Then let them buy the originals. What you're doing is breaking the law.


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Posted By: TENSiON
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 11:23am
At least the wooden offerings don't seem to be straight off-the-shelf copies Thumbs Up (?)

And going by the specs, the only thing that those amps probably have in common with Yammy P-series are the front plates..

Now if you bought those horns from Mykey to put into your cabs, that would be cool Thumbs Up (and I bet that could be arranged),

but copying them? Thumbs Down


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 12:14pm
Unfortunately, you can't trust the Business ethic from the Chinese. Whatever they do in terms of ripping people off, they think it's just normal practice, and they will never think any differently. They don't have any respect for each other, never mind the rest of us.

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Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Unfortunately, you can't trust the Business ethic from the Chinese. Whatever they do in terms of ripping people off, they think it's just normal practice, and they will never think any differently. They don't have any respect for each other, never mind the rest of us.


Tony, I agree that a lot of Chinese companies behave pretty badly, however the two companies that I regularly do business with have behaved impeccably in fact far better than a few highly respected British companies I could mention.

Tony W


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by Tony Wilkes Tony Wilkes wrote:


Tony, I agree that a lot of Chinese companies behave pretty badly, however the two companies that I regularly do business with have behaved impeccably in fact far better than a few highly respected British companies I could mention.

Tony W


Heard this many times.

Plenty of British/US companies great to deal with, right up until they have your money.

Also plenty of UK/US companies rebrand China copy amplifiers, bring them over, and people make no noise about those.

What about Crown XLS 5000? Direct Copy of QSC 5050, made by Phonic, rebranded by Crown, ridiculous profit margin, advertised in west as Crown, accepted by all.

Too much hypocrisy in the industry methinks.

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Posted By: Qautermass
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 6:42pm
Mykey would a bms 12n610 work in the sp12 ? the dust cap would it hit phase plug 


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 7:33pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

yes, 10's available

SP12






Mykey, could you publish plots for the PD123ER & PD121?

They are very mainstream drivers, used by many MT121 users. Wink


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Posted By: boots-hifi
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 8:11pm
+1 for pd121s


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by Tony Wilkes Tony Wilkes wrote:

Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Unfortunately, you can't trust the Business ethic from the Chinese. Whatever they do in terms of ripping people off, they think it's just normal practice, and they will never think any differently. They don't have any respect for each other, never mind the rest of us.


Tony, I agree that a lot of Chinese companies behave pretty badly, however the two companies that I regularly do business with have behaved impeccably in fact far better than a few highly respected British companies I could mention.

Tony W

Chinese companies start off being very polite and proper, and when I was selling them equipment by the container load, all the while the money was coming in, things were fine. I was dealing the big names in Panu City. But at any time they can change direction. There is no loyalty with them. There's quite a difference between buying from them when you will always have their attention, and selling to them, when they will want to screw you into the ground after you've done the deal. 


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Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 01 January 2013 at 2:32am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:



Chinese companies start off being very polite and proper, and when I was selling them equipment by the container load, all the while the money was coming in, things were fine. I was dealing the big names in Panu City. But at any time they can change direction. There is no loyalty with them. There's quite a difference between buying from them when you will always have their attention, and selling to them, when they will want to screw you into the ground after you've done the deal. 


Tony, Only ever purchased from them so cannot comment on selling to them, would have to bow to your personal knowledge on this.

Tony W

p.s. If you want ruthless, try selling to the Irish Meat trade !!!!  :)


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 01 January 2013 at 4:47am
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

yes, 10's available

SP12






Mykey, could you publish plots for the PD123ER & PD121?

They are very mainstream drivers, used by many MT121 users. Wink
Trouble is Ray, I can't get hold of drivers like that here. Will have to wait till get back. That graph was with the Paudio driver that yu have just recently sold.


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 01 January 2013 at 4:54am
Plus a graph may look good with a PD121 but it won't tell you how it sounds. PD121 wouldn't even be my last choice for a midrange horn. Trust me, been there done all the testing. B&C PE32 from Tony is what you need.

I have never heard a PD123ER so I can't comment on that.


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 01 January 2013 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Plus a graph may look good with a PD121 but it won't tell you how it sounds. PD121 wouldn't even be my last choice for a midrange horn. Trust me, been there done all the testing. B&C PE32 from Tony is what you need.

I have never heard a PD123ER so I can't comment on that.


Yes, heard good things about B&C PE32, but won't be buying them mate.

Some of us already have PD, Fane, Celestion drivers, they work very well for the price in MT121, so no need to splurge on anything more costly, as they don't earn you any more money.






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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 4:22am
Paudio sound great in them.


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Posted By: Marrie87y
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 12:19pm

we do not make the copy after no authorization letter from the customers ,and if for the copy ,there must some different from the brand products ,we do not do the same .You can check our products is have different back panel for the others brand products ,those technology is different from the others .the core technology is from our engineer design ,not the copy .



Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 12:27pm
How many designs have you taken from speakerplans?


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Posted By: Marrie87y
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 12:33pm
Tony ,i do not know why you have the complaint for Chinese company ,but i must said to you ,there will be some good companies with the good principle for  business ,also there is some bad  .I think you do not need to complaint all .i do not think there is no one as the same company like your complaint in your country .
 
 
 
 
 
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Originally posted by Tony Wilkes Tony Wilkes wrote:

Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Unfortunately, you can't trust the Business ethic from the Chinese. Whatever they do in terms of ripping people off, they think it's just normal practice, and they will never think any differently. They don't have any respect for each other, never mind the rest of us.


Tony, I agree that a lot of Chinese companies behave pretty badly, however the two companies that I regularly do business with have behaved impeccably in fact far better than a few highly respected British companies I could mention.

Tony W

Chinese companies start off being very polite and proper, and when I was selling them equipment by the container load, all the while the money was coming in, things were fine. I was dealing the big names in Panu City. But at any time they can change direction. There is no loyalty with them. There's quite a difference between buying from them when you will always have their attention, and selling to them, when they will want to screw you into the ground after you've done the deal. 


Posted By: Marrie87y
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 12:36pm
we do the simliar ,but no the copy ,and mostly products design are from the customers design .after the customers request and design ,we will asked the engineer to make the feasibility products .


Posted By: t.geessounds
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 4:23pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Plus a graph may look good with a PD121 but it won't tell you how it sounds. PD121 wouldn't even be my last choice for a midrange horn. Trust me, been there done all the testing. B&C PE32 from Tony is what you need.

I have never heard a PD123ER so I can't comment on that.


Yes, heard good things about B&C PE32, but won't be buying them mate.

Some of us already have PD, Fane, Celestion drivers, they work very well for the price in MT121, so no need to splurge on anything more costly, as they don't earn you any more money.





u said Celestion drivers which one u talking about


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by t.geessounds t.geessounds wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Plus a graph may look good with a PD121 but it won't tell you how it sounds. PD121 wouldn't even be my last choice for a midrange horn. Trust me, been there done all the testing. B&C PE32 from Tony is what you need.

I have never heard a PD123ER so I can't comment on that.


Yes, heard good things about B&C PE32, but won't be buying them mate.

Some of us already have PD, Fane, Celestion drivers, they work very well for the price in MT121, so no need to splurge on anything more costly, as they don't earn you any more money.





u said Celestion drivers which one u talking about


TN1225

But they are not available/price gone through the roof now. Dead


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Posted By: Wrek0ne
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by t.geessounds t.geessounds wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Plus a graph may look good with a PD121 but it won't tell you how it sounds. PD121 wouldn't even be my last choice for a midrange horn. Trust me, been there done all the testing. B&C PE32 from Tony is what you need.

I have never heard a PD123ER so I can't comment on that.


Yes, heard good things about B&C PE32, but won't be buying them mate.

Some of us already have PD, Fane, Celestion drivers, they work very well for the price in MT121, so no need to splurge on anything more costly, as they don't earn you any more money.





u said Celestion drivers which one u talking about


TN1225

But they are not available/price gone through the roof now. Dead

They are VERY nice sounding drivers, price is £115 or there abouts, no to bad considering the PD121 is £145...


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Posted By: boots-hifi
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 7:10pm
Ive got some new pd 121s @ £100 per driver just incase anybody was looking.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 7:11pm
Whats with Celestion there days? i used to getting 1225e for 45 eur.

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Posted By: Wrek0ne
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 8:13pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Whats with Celestion there days? i used to getting 1225e for 45 eur.

Its not Celestion, its the price of neodymium... (I know the 1225e isn't a neo)

http://scoraigwind.co.uk/2011/09/price-of-neodymium-finally-levels-off/" rel="nofollow - http://scoraigwind.co.uk/2011/09/price-of-neodymium-finally-levels-off

We are still paying 2011 prices for neo drivers, thus some smart alek has put the price of ferrite drivers up too so that there isn't such a huge gap, for effectively the same device but lighter....

When i started looking at neo drivers with intent to buy them the one's that i wanted went up from £95 per unit to £155 in 6 months... and have stayed that high since then (2011)... Even tho the price of the magnets has come back down the driver manufacturers are simply keeping the same prices. 

All of this (unfortunately as this has already been said enough in this thread) can be blamed on the Chinese... 

http://www.ipmd.net/news/001192.html " rel="nofollow - http://www.ipmd.net/news/001192.html 

BUT ultimately the buck stops with the manufacturers of the drivers as they are the guys keeping the prices so high, for ferrite ( a much easier / more available chemical compound) and neodymium (a very dense rare earth metal) as the prices of both in raw form hasn't changed that much if you compare 2010's figures with todays figures... 

Lets revolt, if we all send them an angry email (Dead) something is going to have to be done!! Embarrassed


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 8:23pm
Originally posted by Wrek0ne Wrek0ne wrote:


Lets revolt, if we all send them an angry email (Dead) something is going to have to be done!! Embarrassed


Unfortunately, little people don't matter. Confused
Emails don't work, but posts in forums often garner rapid responses...
Especially if exposing embarrassing business practices.. LOL

Back on Topic, as said previously Mykey, few of us would like to see a graphs with mainstream reasonably priced drivers, as many of us need reason to move from our beloved MT121 combos.

SN-12B is dead.

PD123ER is great in MT121, what's it like in your gizmo !?

Wink


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Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 8:53pm
To get any real comparison Mykey would need to build a single MT121 and measure it against the SP12 in the same place, with same acoustics, same mic, same measurement settings etc.

Then it would be nice to see some graphs with different drivers in both horns.

I suspect that SP12 is going to be slightly louder than MT121 but with extended frequency range, smoother sound and more even dispersion.


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 9:15pm
Don't forget, Rog already plotted resp graphs, comparing MT121 vs Porn Horn.

For me personally, just need to see if resp decent, with chosen drivers, 180hz-2.0khz.


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Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 10:54pm
Quote MT121 and measure it against the SP12 in the same place, with same acoustics, same mic, same measurement settings etc.


Everything else needs to be under same conditions if one really wants to compare different drivers in two different horns.

Altough in this case like you said, Rog's old hangar measurement of MT121 is accurate enough. Smile

What would be really interesting would be to get some sort of polar plots from each of these horns, and if someone would take it a step further, with different drivers to see if the driver for some reason affects the dispersion.

At a guess I'd say Mykey's horn will do 180hz to 2khz quite nicely with most of the common quality drivers


Posted By: Max_SPL
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 12:28am
[x]


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 4:19am
Hi Shaun

Nothing in there

my box was full for 3 days and I didn't realize. can you send again


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Posted By: Max_SPL
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 10:06pm
Mykey-

re-sent

shaun 


Posted By: Electrikal
Date Posted: 22 January 2013 at 12:41am
how much for x8 of these horns mkey?


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 24 January 2013 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by JD01 JD01 wrote:

I'd be interested in a 10" version, too. But if this is a no-can-do, 12" would be ok. What's the upper useable cutoff and what italian speakers would be fitting?



SP10


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Posted By: from2far
Date Posted: 26 January 2013 at 10:48am
Mykey I'm interested in the SP10's. Are they avail to ship to the US?
Would they work with
B&C Speakers 10PE26 ? Would it be worth building a box for these?

 I have 4 of these I want to put to good use. Nice work :)


www.bcspeakers.com/PDF/PRD/10PE26.pdf








Posted By: Audio_AL
Date Posted: 26 January 2013 at 8:54pm
+1

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 27 January 2013 at 10:40am
I have the shipping prices for the US, let me know whereabouts

cheapest is LA $225.00 1m3


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