MS-18 MkIII
Printed From: Speakerplans.com
Category: Plans
Forum Name: Scoops
Forum Description: One scoop or two ;-)
URL: https://forum.speakerplans.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=72035
Printed Date: 27 March 2026 at 12:38am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.08 - https://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: MS-18 MkIII
Posted By: cerwin4life
Subject: MS-18 MkIII
Date Posted: 28 October 2012 at 5:30pm
|
hello! I have 2 Cerwin Vega 188EB 18" that im planning of building a scoop or horn for. My question is: would the CW work well in the MS-18Mkiii, how loud and how low can/will it go? Im going to use it in my "little" homemovie system:) So what do you think would be best building the MS scoop or the 1850/186 foldedhorn??? And what of those 3 cabs would play loudest and deepest?? please help!! ------------- If where too loud youre too old! |
Replies:
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 28 October 2012 at 5:40pm
|
None of those will be both loud and deep. Pick loud or deep. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: cerwin4life
Date Posted: 28 October 2012 at 6:35pm
|
then i pick deep:) ------------- If where too loud youre too old! |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 28 October 2012 at 6:47pm
Well then, for home movie setup, make a 2x18 reflex, and tune it for 25hz.  ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
cerwin4life wrote:Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 28 October 2012 at 7:15pm
|
+1 ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 28 October 2012 at 10:03pm
|
+2
------------- Chas n Dave : it's like Drum and Bass but with beards. E=mc² ±3dB |
Posted By: cerwin4life
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 8:01am
|
well the problem is that the CWs are build for horns/scoops. Fs 46 vas:200 Freq 38-15KHz. been adviced too build scoops pr horns instead. Boxes would be big ass hell and dont go deep anyway. how low does the MS scoop horn go??? ------------- If where too loud youre too old! |
Posted By: cerwin4life
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 8:06am
|
Find more data: Fs 46 Vas(L) 200 Re 6.20 Qms 1.556 Q 0.364 Qts 0.295 Mms (g) 84.4 BL 4.20 have even find the value 20.384 Sd(mm2) 1000 M MRF 18.077 (Grams) This sub is not build for reflexboxes a lot of people with knowledge also says it. So what would be best scoop or 1850/186 ???? ------------- If where too loud youre too old! |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 11:30am
|
Scoops and horns need to be in a group of 4 or more to give their best. So best is to sell those one you have (they are not good drivers anyway) and build a reflex subs. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: cerwin4life
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 2:24pm
|
hm why would 1pair of MS-18MK not perform so good?i mean im just going to have them for home use.....! how low will a pair of MS-18MK3 go?? i have a Crown amp to drive them with, also thinking of buying my self a DSP unit. And the CW 188EB will not be replaced until the day i have bought 2 Stroker 18" (the old mod) !Sure if i had the money i bought a pair of PD.1850.... but the CW will be enough for now. ------------- If where too loud youre too old! |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 2:30pm
+1 Fs of 46hz, will not sound as great in any box, compared to many other "Scoopy drivers", like Fane 18XB, Fane 18-1000, PD186, PD1850. In 400 person hall, it would be 4x high powered scoops. For Home movie system, twin reflex will give you both massive SPL & very low sub extension, assuming quality drivers. Would imagine, B&C/RCF/18 Sound are fairly cheap on the continent in Europe. RCF L18P300 & few others, really are quality reflex drivers. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: cerwin4life
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 2:40pm
|
hm if an Fs of 46 not will sound great in any box, then why the hell did Cerwin Vega build the woofer with that Fs ??????? Or maybe they wanted it to sound crap so people buy other brands instead.......! Well i will build either 186 horn or the MS-18MK3 anyway. noone seems to be interested too help me find which of the 186 or MS-18MK3 that will be best. as told im going to use them for home use,and 4 boxes will be too much and take too much space. I dont have so much money so i cant buy the best......! And im a big fan of Cerwin Vega !! ------------- If where too loud youre too old! |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 3:03pm
Don't know, but in the big scheme of things, Cerwin Vega 18" drivers compared to many others, are a bit of a joke. I'm not a fan of any manufacturer. Best driver for the cab, for the job, at best price, is far less emotional way of thinking. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 4:38pm
|
First of all you need to understand that we are helping you. You just dont listen. Cerwin Vega is a DJ grade gear and we do not rank it very high. I dont rank it at all to be honest. They make noise but that is it. Second, you need to learn how horn loaded subs works. Then you will realize that two in a group will not give you the low extension you want. The Cyclop box is designed to go down to 40Hz with the proper driver. Which your Cerwin Vega is not. Plus it is a tapped horn, which means it will not gain much in low extension by multiplying the boxes. Now go sell your drivers and get your self a real ones. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: DiscernAudio
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 4:50pm
G-sub 
|
Posted By: bob4
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 5:15pm
Because the driver was designed in the late 70s when no one needed subbass below 45 Hz !
Do yourself a favor and build a nice and simple, adequately tuned reflex box, as the knowledgeable folk here have suggested - they ARE trying to help you, but you're not listening! A folded horn is complicated and very hard to build properly. A double reflex box should also be smaller than two scoops or FLHs, and more likely to provide low extension and adequate sound pressure for a home theatre system with moderate amplifier power. You don't need the benefits of horn loading. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 6:06pm
+1 Imagine for home movie setup, correctly tuned & built 2x12/2x15/2x18 reflex sub, hidden away out of sight, powered by quality Class AB amp, like MC2 1250..  ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 6:13pm
|
Well maybe he is a nut job like i am. I have 2xBA121SC backloaded horns, 4xBA118 and 2xBA12 as a Call of Duty game setup here :-). Crazy! ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: cardiffdon
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 7:32pm
| [:Y:] |
Posted By: cerwin4life
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 8:08am
|
alright im building my self some 186horn. but no one seems interessted too help we with the cut sheet. but ok im an idiot who canr read what having sex angels i should cut the board in. So fine thanks for the help, u really make me feel good about myself (no one wants too be classifed as idiots who dont listen). ------------- If where too loud youre too old! |
Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 8:18am
|
Ban..
------------- Support the scoop technology, larger mouth plays louder! |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 11:37am
|
Ovaj je ocito veoma glup. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 11:59am
|
Ma ja, toti zvočnik mu bo v scoopu razpadel.
------------- Support the scoop technology, larger mouth plays louder! |
Posted By: cerwin4life
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 12:06pm
|
Okay so im banned now also?? okay ------------- If where too loud youre too old! |
Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 12:18pm
|
Cerwin...chill out, man. We are all passionate about sound here, and I guess CV is your chosen fancy that you want to collect(?) - if so, then collect your CV system and assemble a DJ rig in your house. However, if you are more interested in sound quality then you need to read up on horn theory and see that you are trying to put a round peg into a square hole. As suggested, a descent BR cab will rock in the average living room. Unless your living rom is the size of a church hall, that is. Lots of love, a square peg. "If we're [we are] too loud, you're too old" ------------- music is the message |
Posted By: cerwin4life
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 1:02pm
|
Yeah feels like all are passionate about sound, but if its not some of the expensive brands instead of CW then u get declared like an idiot.....! I get it the 188EB DOES NOT FIT IN A SCOOP;OKAY I GET IT. Maybe i should use my CW as expensive letterpresses instead, that seems to be the only thing(accordingly too u guys) that they are good for. I have not the money to buy lika PD or other expensive brands. I want too build 186 horns instead(BUT thats surely also wrong) but NO one seems too wanna help me with a COMPLETE cuttinglist(i cant figure out the angles myself).so i cant build them either. seems like a need to go coarses and buy all the books about scoops and foldedhorn before i post something here...! feels like i dont want to write or ask something more on this forum, becase i haet to be treted like an idiot. how should i know that the CWs dont fit in scoops. I thought 1 par would work great for home use, but apperntly not. I wonder what will happen if i buld a par of MS-18MK3 or HOG.scoops. why would it be so wrong????wont the boxes go deep or loud or just sound like shit? ------------- If where too loud youre too old! |
Posted By: geronimo91
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 1:10pm
|
just face it cerwin vega is poopie 4 life ------------- Apache Hi Fi |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 1:26pm
  @cerwin4life, if you need assistance building 186 horn, best to ask in the 186/1850 horn forum. All we are saying here is, purely due to your driver T/S parms, most people here wouldn't recommend it for much, as there are cheaper drivers with better specs/performance. This place isn't like the Cerwin-Vega forum, where everyone loves everything CV, and people get banned by the Mods for saying one word against any CV product.  There are many drivers people say they have, and the consensus here will sometimes be, not worth trying to build decent cab, as the parameters are just not that good. Shalom ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 1:30pm
|
But the people on the forum have tried to help saying that a br cab would be the most suitable option and for home use its probably be your best option... if youv got your heart set in scoop then why not sell the cvs and get one decent scoop driver till you can afford another? From what iv read people have just got your best interests in mind... Yours truly A newb who hasn't really read up on scoops and horns that much :) |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 1:35pm
|
Ok let me try explain again. 186 box is designed around PD186 driver. And will give about 50-55Hz low extension as one box with PD186 driver. Your driver however has totally different parameters and will not give the same results. Meaning you will end up with two big boxes that will go as low as maybe 50Hz. But maybe. I hope i am getting to a point here that you will understand. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: smithshorn
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 5:16pm
|
Just saw on a different forum of a CV 188eb being used in a Cubo18. Worked OK as far as vintage drivers go. |
Posted By: b grade
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 7:03pm
| The cubo plans also have a very detailed cut list. |
Posted By: Meat
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 8:41pm
|
Oops, wrote something trying to be helpful. ------------- Don't test the champignon sound |
Posted By: Kingjoonathan
Date Posted: 29 March 2013 at 4:59pm
|
What do you guys think about loading MS-18 mkIII cabs with these "obom"'s: http://speakerjuke.shop.wosbee.com/filemanager/productpics/423picture2Upload.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://speakerjuke.shop.wosbee.com/filemanager/productpics/423picture2Upload.jpg ?? Would they work in ms-18 if you look at the specs? Only thing why I'm asking this is that i have a fresh contact to these drivers almost for free. Would build 4x MS-18 with these to fill a little party with sub-freqs. > Bless! ------------- SALAMARI SOUNDSYSTEM - FINLAND |
Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 29 March 2013 at 10:37pm
They might be the single most awsome drivers ever made, but there is no way for us to find that out following that link. There are no Thiele/Small parameters on that document. The frequency graph looks very vague as well. My guess is that they would work very well as a paperweight. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 30 March 2013 at 12:41am
|
CV man if you dont want the full 100 technical spec talk ect and a law degree to understand people opinions its simple man just build some fane or emmys scoops just to keep it simple load it with pd or fane driven with a proper sub amp and i promise ya it will "tear down" houses fi real no joke, on last warning from council got to be carefull  i understand man you feel yu getting stomped on evertime yu ask a question. ------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE 
|
Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 30 March 2013 at 8:42am
|
@ Dub Specialist what ya got runnin in de yard to be on last warning from the council ??? ------------- feel the vibes !!! "Who Feels it Knows it" Strong like Lion |
Posted By: hmaudio
Date Posted: 08 April 2013 at 12:25am
some of there products wernt to good, but not all of it was crap, theres nowt wrong with the old prostax ps12 ser II that we have and i beleive the compression driver and bullets were made by fostex. And the older vision series were loaded with b&c drivers, and b&c are well regarded drivers. There new stuff is chinese and probly alot worse! ------------- Nottingham based cab builder. https://www.facebook.com/HMAudio-154352667920145/?ref=bookmarks This account is used by 2 people. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 08 April 2013 at 2:52am
pre,scoops g-subs mids ect ect full sound system got to put it somewere got no lock up but ovisly cant drive it hard tho, but it just rumbles the yard on on low volume still what part a west mids ya from?
------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE
|
Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 08 April 2013 at 8:48am
|
from brum had a little set back in the day now just runnin a couple of b&c design 18 subs with some monitors above them the whole thing is set up at the end of the dining table in me kitchen but it blends in sum how with the wifey's color scheme its used for party in the yard and outside and free things if sumone needs sum sound i have to cross the subs low its overkill for the yard i only have 1 neighbour who moved in recently my old neighbour was safe dunno about new one ..... they must like the vibes !!!! ------------- feel the vibes !!! "Who Feels it Knows it" Strong like Lion |
Posted By: distemper23
Date Posted: 14 March 2026 at 6:27am
|
Hey yall! I was wondering if anyone had a cut sheet for the MS18 MKIII? We’re building 2 of them, and I couldn’t find any online when I looked. Email me at colinbott1993@icloud.com or PM me thank you all
|