Ev Folded horn Sentry Help (old skool cab)
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Topic: Ev Folded horn Sentry Help (old skool cab)
Posted By: Dub Specialist
Subject: Ev Folded horn Sentry Help (old skool cab)
Date Posted: 11 November 2012 at 10:53pm
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hiya can anyone give me the name of the actual cab, ive been searching the internet with some results pdf's ect.. but im getting confused am i right is it a sentry IV , senrty IVb, ect ect when it has the original mid/high horn tweets ect. also got numbers tl4025.....tl4050 ect.. .its loaded with twin 12" drivers (not original) and with my own horn tops ect.sounds nice driven with my V800  also can anyone recomend drivers closest to the Originals.. so can anyone give me some proppa details on it... thanks ...  ------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE 
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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 12 November 2012 at 9:07am
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Here is a link to the EV discontinued speaker system page. I think the cab is a Sentry IV but can't see it listed there. http://www.electrovoice.com/downloads.php?fam=199&title=Speaker%20System&d=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.electrovoice.com/downloads.php?fam=199&title=Speaker%20System&d=1 ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 12 November 2012 at 9:28am
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Im guessing original drivers would have been probually DL12x ,(but the OEM version without the finned magnet cover)? That was their mainstay 12" from around this period. 12inch paper cone and 2.5inch voice coil.....anyone suggest a modern replacement?
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Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 12 November 2012 at 2:40pm
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Thanks for your repley still. i would love to get some drivers that are the closest T/s Parameters to the original tho is the ev DL12x still in production? or is that a stupid question. but ive seen Electro Voice EV DL12X Recone Kits on the net. been digging though my pc and found someone has mentioned these before but cant find it now sadly. i bet too these drivers would cost a small fortune yes/no? Quoted by someone T/s Parameters. Original EV driver (two 12s) Fs=45hz Qms=9.5 Qes=0.215 Qts=0.210 Vas=5.06 cu. ft EV-DL12X T/s Parameters. fs: 56 Hz VAS: 77 liters (2.73 ft3) QES: 0.24 QMS: 7.47 QTS: 0.24 h0: 4.54% LE: 2.0 mH CMS: 0.18 mm/N VD (SD x Xmax): 1.04 liters (0.036 ft3) so its not that drastically different. any thoughts/opinions.would these work ok in sed cab?
------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE
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Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 12 November 2012 at 3:09pm
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just checked out e-bay theres plenty on there From the USA tho , way to much postage ------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE
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Posted By: To Old Now
Date Posted: 28 January 2013 at 9:24pm
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THey was going the same time as the eliminator1A. Its notb a 4025 or 4050 which is 1x15" & 2x15" and a very large cab But they do work they had DL15 in them. We only used 1 for sub in the install aprox 300-400 people. It closed in 2 years and moved the cab in to main venue 2000-2500 people. I am suprised there is not more people used them! It walks all over a MT4. its just the size. Any way back to the W bin I think it was loaded with 2x EVM12L which is not a bass speaker. I have plans some where in my files. Used by EV for jazz festivals in the 70's and early 80's. Give me some time and i will see what i can find in my files. |
Posted By: To Old Now
Date Posted: 28 January 2013 at 11:43pm
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Right the cab is a TL5050 When with horns it become's a Sentry 1V BR drivers are EVM 12L like i said though the response is only down to 50HZ 121DB at 10ft at full power 100-800HZ mid power. I hope this is of help for you.
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Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 29 January 2013 at 9:17am
Thanks for the Info much appreciated  .,still might try the EV-DL12X Driver in them one day.. cheers ------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE
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Posted By: audiomik
Date Posted: 29 January 2013 at 9:56am
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Try a couple of ATC 12" BLCR's in them, they certainly worked very well many years ago and were a marked improvement over the EVM's..... used the first version of these cabs. Also had a pair of the separate Sentry 4 horn mid/top boxes, Hf drivers were mounted in the centre of the Mid Horn. Think that the Mid Compression driver was the 1823(?) - screw fit. The UK EV distributor in Brighton did a moulding of the Mid Horn as well which I had 2 of, although these didn't have the mounting points for the HF Driver/Horn, and managed to get some free time in the Bath Uni Architectural Department Anechoic Chamber to test them properly back then. Anyway, was playing with designs for analog active Xovers with BBD delays back then so achieved more control compared with the passives. Had a Beyer Ribbon mic (M260?) and a Bruel and Kjaer Millivoltmeter for sinewave response tests as well...... Long gone now, but very good at the time with lots of learning gained about active systems back in the 1970's which still apply today! Mik ------------- Warning! May contain Nuts plus springs, washers, screws, etc, etc. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist
Date Posted: 29 January 2013 at 7:31pm
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thanks mik for a another alternative, there not for sound pa sound use i just like the vintage sounds playing around with different cabs in the summer ect...cheers ------------- treat all creation with respect. For music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion! MUSIC IS LIFE
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Posted By: To Old Now
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 3:54pm
 I found this in my files. I hope it helps you.------------- You want it when? |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 9:27pm
Those old EV cabs were very pretty. The Eliminator 1A always looked really professional (didn't really sound it, though) and the Jumbo Hi cab looks impressive. I remember having the whole of this catalogue way back when - along with a classy Altec catalogue from around the same era. ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
To Old Now wrote:Posted By: To Old Now
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 9:53pm
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What makes you say that about the Eliminator 1A. We had 8 of them in 1975 they would kill. 123db at 100 watt nothing could touch them. Mine came in from USA not the ones built in Swiss. We later on replaced the h/f with Bayma CP22 ------------- You want it when? |
Posted By: bdoan
Date Posted: 09 April 2013 at 8:16pm
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I have 2 of these folded subs for sale with original drivers |
Posted By: carlfarey
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 6:56pm
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I had some 1A's in the 80's very loud now using the ZLX 15p and ELX18p's |
Posted By: AvO
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 10:29am
I know this is a very old thread, You posted this 6 years ago! I wonder if you maybe have this file in a higher resolution? That would be great!!! I was hoping to find some informations about my speaker system! This is the only picture I found on the net!! Unfortunately I can not read the words. Please help me
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Posted By: To Old Now
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 10:56am
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Which ones are you looking for? I may have data sheets for them if I know the cabs that you have??? ------------- You want it when? |
Posted By: AvO
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 12:09pm
I am so glad you're still here ! I am talking about the picture under the emiminator a1. I think, it maybe is a sentry IV, but normally the horn section is not seperated from the woofer? Unfortunately I don't have the woofer. What I have, looks exactly like the portable midrange/twitcher section on the top. And your picture ist the only one I found, that looks exactly like it. (sorry for bad english) |
Posted By: To Old Now
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 12:42pm
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If its an EV then the cab is a TL5050. it's a 2x12" drivers>EVM12L. I have found the drawings for them. ------------- You want it when? |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 12:49pm
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these may be of some use to you http://www.itishifi.com/2017/04/electro-voice-sentry-iv.html%20" rel="nofollow - http://www.itishifi.com/2017/04/electro-voice-sentry-iv.html
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1000557/Electro-Voice-Sentry-Iva.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1000557/Electro-Voice-Sentry-Iva.html https://www.manualslib.com/manual/43749/Electro-Voice-Sentry-Iva.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.manualslib.com/manual/43749/Electro-Voice-Sentry-Iva.html I did a Google search on the image you posted then refined by image size but couldn't find any catalogues which were any larger or more focussed. I shall continue my seach on my PC archives and see what I can find for you. ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 2:21pm
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Jase---They are a very old cabinet and also very rare in the UK as well as the Eliminator 1A was the very common one in UK back in the day. If you have picked them up locally in the Brum area then they could have some real serious history behind them as back in the very early seventies there was only one band in Brum using 2x12 Eliminators and it was somebody like The Move or Sabbath or another band of that stature---I am pretty sure that it was pre ELO as I can remember some for sale in the old Wasp music shop on Hurst Street. Are there any old name stencil marks on them anywhere that may have been painted over or the vinyl covered up as you may have a bit of rock history there. |
Posted By: AvO
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 2:57pm
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I think, there is some kind of misunderstanding, probably because my description was too bad. I tried to post some pictures, but I don't know how. Anyway, on the picture of the old EV catalog in this thread, you can see 5 cabinets. I am talking about the one down left. Is this a sentry IV B? Because normaly the sentry 4 is not seperated in two units? My portable EV horn section looks exactly like the one in the catalog, but not like all the other pictures of the sentryIV that I googeled. |
Posted By: AvO
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 4:17pm
Thanks a lot!! So you think it is a Sentry IV? Even though the horn section is seperated from the Cabinet?
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Posted By: To Old Now
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 4:30pm
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Have you checked to see if it is a 2x12" cabinet or a 1x15" if it is a 1x15" it could be a Altec 1215A. they look very much the same!?? ------------- You want it when? |
Posted By: AvO
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 5:04pm
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That is, what I was trying to say (my english is a mess): I don't have the cabinet, I only have the midrange/twitcher horns. But it is definitley Electro Voice SM120A and ST350B. A portable case made in Switzerland, CH 2560 Nidau, Serial Number 46366 and 42267. Just like the case on Top of the cabinet in the your old EV catalog. |
Posted By: AvO
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 5:12pm
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It would be so much easier, if I could send some pictures. |
Posted By: AvO
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 6:07pm
tweeter -> twitcher. thanks auto correction !  |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 6:30pm
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the fact that you say the cab was made in Switzerland gives us a big clue. Rather than go the route of importing fully built cabs into the UK or Europe, EV - who, like other speaker manufacturers at the time, felt their main market was selling components and gave away plans for building cabs to contain their drivers - allowed their distributors to manufacture cabs themselves based on EV plans but also allowed them some freedom to customise these cabs to suit the local markets. Your all-in-one cabs were probably the result of this customisation. Hope this helps. ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: AvO
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 7:24pm
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Yes it does, thank you!!! That makes sence! Especially, when you take a second look at the old EV catalog here: there you can read on the top right (magnifier) the same swiss address, that is written on my speakers. Nevertheless it is a shame, that the resolution of that jpg is so low, otherwise I could read all the details. So if anybody has the original brochure, please let me know! |
Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 10:25pm
I think shuttlesound used to do the same back in the day. i had a large 3 box system back in the late 80's, had ev backplates and ev grills but never found another system like it. |
Posted By: alikdziki
Date Posted: 11 January 2020 at 3:07pm
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I have been given system in a top right corner of your jpg https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10221226709885694&set=a.1607058824752&type=3&theater could you send me this picture in a bit better resolutio, please. alik@dziki.net |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 11 January 2020 at 6:56pm
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EV box? you selling it? ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |