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Topic: Laserworld Lasers?
Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Subject: Laserworld Lasers?
Date Posted: 16 December 2012 at 5:37pm
hey

didnt wanna clutter up the other thread on lasers that someone else posted, but reminded me but have some friends who are thinking of starting up a Coldplay tribute band and if they do, want to add some lasers to their small lighting rig as the real Coldplay use them quite a lot.

They had came across Laserworld and were looking at specifically the cs-1000 which can be got for just a shade over £600 on Thomann.  They need to buy 3 to get the effect they're looking for so around about that price is the limit for their budget, maybe a touch more.

This will be venues from maybe 200-500 people max, and doesn't have to be the BEST laser effect ever just has to provide the right look in addition to the rest of their lighting.

Some coloured beams like the kind of thing you can see from about 1.42 in the first video, and some layers like though the start of the second video...

edit:  Youtube embedding seems to have been broken all day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ltvXE6iiA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ltvXE6iiA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s--wl4a3fk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s--wl4a3fk



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Posted By: tall_mike
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 10:40am
when I went to Proel's italian HQ this year on a 'dealer jolly' they showed us some very good lasers. worth looking at.


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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 1:06pm
Personally, I wouldn't go near any of the low end Laserworld lasers, and would mostly try and avoid the company all together (if it wasn't for the fact they do distribute/parent company some very nice high end projectors).

Be aware that they classify their lasers based on the maximum power they will (never!) achieve, not what they actually put out.

So if you buy a '1 watt' laser from laserworld, it will probably make about 750mW minimum, whereas a '1 watt' laser from anywhere else will make at least 1 watt, usually a good bit more to account for a bit of initial dropoff.

So this should be considered when comparing lasers which 'appear' the same power on paper.

Looking at the actual specs of the laser you linked to, I would probably want a bit more power from them for the bigger rooms you mention. Certainly if you have very much in the way of stage wash, then you might find they struggle to punch through.

Lasers are cheap these days so it's not too expensive to get something a bit more punchy.

Also consider how you will control them, costs associated with this, and who is going to operate and rig them safely. Although quite 'small', they are still class 4 lasers, and will have an eye out at close range/with static beams given the opportunity.

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Posted By: Dubbed-up
Date Posted: 18 December 2012 at 1:22pm
+1
Stay clear of laser world stuff and cheap lasers in general.


Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 18 December 2012 at 1:29pm
Quote +1
Stay clear of laser world stuff and cheap lasers in general.


I think 'cheap' needs a definition really, as it is affected by output power and scanner quality so much.

I can show you a cheap 10W laser that still costs over £5k which I wouldn't touch.


Either way, £600 doesn't get you much of anything in the RGB laser game, but some is better than others. Fundamentally there are only so many Chinese companies making components, although some are better than others (and some have different grades of components)


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Posted By: penduluminsanity
Date Posted: 01 March 2013 at 1:37pm
i have six of there lasers and not one has given me any probe there not the most exspecive of lasers but for the money they do the job two of my 1 watt green lasers from there are as good as my friend tree watt lasres. if you want to spend lost of cash then you can buy kvant lasers and they are nice 

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Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 01 March 2013 at 4:59pm
Quote two of my 1 watt green lasers from there are as good as my friend tree watt lasres


Can you expand on that statement please?

Are you comparing like with like here, or are you comparing a 1 watt 532 with a 3W RGB (which could be all 445 and heaps of 660, and as little as a couple of hundred mW of 532, but ultimately very dim)

As I said previously, lasers are not about the 'power' only, it is about how much power AND which wavelengths you are running. The brighter wavelengths with the good beam specs are the things that cost you money, and allow you to run a 'only 2W' projector that'll kick the butt of much higher power rated lasers.
I have 640nm red modules rated at only 350mW which are as bright to the eye as 1100mW of 650nm red.

Know what you are buying, and don't be 'duped' by "Supermegaaaah Hyper Watts Layzooor" type advertizing.

There is an awful lot of buying space between the Laserworld units and the Kvants too. I bought a 1W 637nm Kvant laser module a year or 2 back and paid nearly £2k for it. It's nice, but in hindsight I would spend that money differently if I had the chance again.

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Posted By: AvLee
Date Posted: 09 March 2013 at 2:28am
Hey Nort, I'm still here and still lookin! Anything exciting come out of the Chinese yet at around £2k?


Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 09 March 2013 at 10:54am
hey

yeah similarly, if we could push the boat out a bit a go for something in the 1.5-2k per laser, what brands or models would you suggest?  Its an area I know very little about, even down to what the popular brands are.

k


Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 09 March 2013 at 5:36pm
Try one of these with the DT30 scanner upgrade.
Pay the extra ~£30 for the flightcase
Deduct $300 if you don't require the built in Moncha.net DAC and software.

http://www.goldenstarlaser.com/nrgb2000-p-441.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.goldenstarlaser.com/nrgb2000-p-441.html

Or if you want a bit more punch in the brightness, then this one with a bigger green

http://www.goldenstarlaser.com/nrgb2500-p-440.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.goldenstarlaser.com/nrgb2500-p-440.html

I'm building 2 new projectors using these cases at the moment and they're really nice and compact and solid.


They use a mixture of Laserwave and CNI modules, which are about the best coming out of China for reasonable money, although not neccessarilly their top end modules. But lets face it, these are dirt cheap for what you get.


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Posted By: AngusR9090
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 3:56pm
Hate to be that lady flaps but a cheap, shitty, not even worth it, sub 500£ laser is perfectly fine for most applications. 

I realize, norty, that this is a passion/business of yours but honestly used laserworld lasers and the effect is perfect for most parties/applications. Just my opinion Tongue




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Posted By: Steve20131
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:44pm
Yea it is coldplay.  For 90's dance and good stuff do what norty says


Posted By: James Tengo
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 10:45pm
Meanwhile.... 5 years later....



Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Meanwhile.... 5 years later....


Everything has gone miniature solid state and dropped to tuppence/watt


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Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by norty303 norty303 wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Meanwhile.... 5 years later....


Everything has gone miniature solid state and dropped to tuppence/watt

If I can lean on your experience again then, (and since his has been dragged up again lol! LOL) if you were shopping nowadays for something in a similar senario where would you be looking? Any recommendations?

K


Posted By: palinopsic
Date Posted: 03 September 2018 at 4:07pm
I just came across this thread while doing some research on brands.

Those Golden Star systems look like a great value if they live up to their specs.
Couldn't find the ones you linked to as the models have been updated, but I'm looking at these two:

http://goldenstarlaser.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=81_85&product_id=285
http://goldenstarlaser.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=81&product_id=475

It's my first time getting into the laser game so I'm trying to read up as much as possible. A lot of people say Kvent is really good, but it's a little out of my price range. I'm looking to spend around $1k-$1.4k

My purpose:
I do live performance with oscilloscope through a camera into projector. Looking to up the resolution and contrast so I'm turning to lasers.

Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

I'm located in Thailand so I suppose shipping from China is going to be cheapest for me.


Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 03 September 2018 at 6:10pm
My advice is to probably ask the same question on photonlexicon forum

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Posted By: charlysays
Date Posted: 23 January 2019 at 1:41pm
Not laserworld but similar- I just got one of these (different brand name but identical laser), kinda shop soiled but new off a mate who imports them directly for his trampoline park installs:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LKH-3000mW-RGB-All-Diode-Laser-Light-Show-Projector-ILDA-DMX-SD-/113051726710" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LKH-3000mW-RGB-All-Diode-Laser-Light-Show-Projector-ILDA-DMX-SD-/113051726710

It was £400 with a flight case. Couldn't say no. I know its a china special but I used it in a 100ft by 50ft by 30ft warehouse rave a few weeks ago and if anything it was too powerful. The beams were chunking even with minimal smoke. I had it over 3m up and angle it upwards a bit too as I was paranoid about peoples eyes. Was all good though, very impressed with the display it put on even just music activated. Will try and upload some pics and a video


Posted By: Andylaser
Date Posted: 28 January 2019 at 9:36pm
Back in the 90's we would regularly do shows with 2 x 150mW argons. That was plenty in a lot of clubs and smaller warehouses.


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