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Topic: Fane scaled up
Posted By: mykey-
Subject: Fane scaled up
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 7:53am
Hi Chaps

I had 16 of these around 1989. I had great pleasure with them. They were loaded with the Fane 400 Colossus. Pretty scary when all 16 were running....ask Tre4u2nv LOL

Anyways, I have drawn up 2 versions. One as standard and the other with a double baffle and segmented scoop.

Second version is also slightly deeper, as well as a deeper chamber to receive deeper drivers

Width should be 61cm (24'')... do the cab wider to gain a larger chamber

chamber is 57 litres without the driver

Handle placements and cut off rear for castors is up to you to do

I'm 100% sure that with the Royals and the new monster Fanes these will sing







  EnjoyTongue


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Posted By: vragas
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 8:41am
Thumbs Up


Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 8:49am
Very good, sir! Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Nitz V1505
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 10:22am
Cheers Mykey!!!!

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 5:38pm
No probs....

For those who want a bigger chamber but want to keep the 61cm wide (24'') you will need to play with the rear baffle length (450mm) if you make this shorter to 425 this will give you a rear chamber volume of 70 litres minus the driver. So subtract your driver volume from 70. 


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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 5:50pm
Dimension of the throat and rear pannel (450mm?)?


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:02pm
Not sure what you're asking Junior?

if you want a larger chamber of 70 litres the rear baffle length would be 394mm as above post

do you need both throat areas of both chamber sizes?


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:23pm
standard scoop throat area is 539

larger chambered throat area is 861

You can't just shorten between the 2 numbers and expect a larger chamber though.
    I'll explain.....lets say you wanted to shorten the rear baffle to give a throat area of 700, you won't be gaining any volume of the rear chamber, just gaining throat area. You will have to go to 861 throat area to gain more volume of the rear chamber. Nothing wrong with gaining throat area, it's all about tuning to what you want with what driver you have.

if crossed over high the standard scoop will play more like a PA bin. If the rear baffle is shortened and crossed at the same point it will play as if it's crossed lower.......giving that psycho acoustic feeling as if it's playing lower.....taking the hard edge off the sound, bit like the sound of a Wattco scoopWink

But I don't want to confuse things and the standard scoop sounds great. The larger chamber is there for people that have drivers like 1850 etc


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Posted By: scott_fury
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:30pm
....and I was only expecting socks this Christmas. Nice one....!


Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:30pm
if you shorten rear baffle you get larger throat so more lows, but you shorten the horn pathz very  and the chamber size decrease. Side effects: less overall SPL and one-notish scoop.



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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:43pm
Not really because we are only talking shortening the horn by very minor amounts. This design scoop will never be one-notey. And chamber size will increase not decrease.

Here's an easier one.....if you shorten/adjust the bottom of chamber panel that is now 209mm to 123mm wide this will give you a rear chamber size of 58 litres minus the driver and a throat area of 780.

SBC who is Saul has just had some Fane scoops built. Don't suppose he would tell us what mod he has done but it would be interesting if there are any of the above been usedThumbs UpWink






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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:57pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Not sure what you're asking Junior?

if you want a larger chamber of 70 litres the rear baffle length would be 394mm as above post

do you need both throat areas of both chamber sizes?


I mean this dimension, see arrows.



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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 7:00pm
Yeah that info is already there


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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 7:02pm
Ok, for the inner width 60-61cm? If so, thx mate!


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 7:04pm
internal would be 574mm for a 610mm cab

Tre4u2nv will probably be along in a min and tell you how the standard (first drawing) scaled up Fanes I had sounded


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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Not really because we are only talking shortening the horn by very minor amounts. This design scoop will never be one-notey. And chamber size will increase not decrease.

Here's an easier one.....if you shorten/adjust the bottom of chamber panel that is now 209mm to 123mm wide this will give you a rear chamber size of 58 litres minus the driver and a throat area of 780. I would favour that mod. Thumbs Up see below. This could be used on both deeper and standard scoop if newbies don't understand.

SBC who is Saul has just had some Fane scoops built. Don't suppose he would tell us what mod he has done but it would be interesting if there are any of the above been usedThumbs UpWink






aha, I mised that one, superb! I like tight cmaber and thorat scoop sound. PD1850 loaded. In this drawing I would go for rear panel 500mm, second panel 500mm and 10 degress slope = slower expansion. SPL guaranteed!


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 7:37pm
This is not my design Junior. It wasn't really to be adjusted in that way. It's already a proven design as I used to use them 22 years ago. To make the adjustment of 10 degree slope that you mentioned you may as well design a new scoop for SPThumbs Up


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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 7:44pm
hehe, nuff respect man! Thumbs Up


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Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 9:36pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:



SBC who is Saul has just had some Fane scoops built. Don't suppose he would tell us what mod he has done but it would be interesting if there are any of the above been usedThumbs UpWink



LOL

come on now, can't be giving secrets like that away. 


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Posted By: soundchippy
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 12:08am
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Hi Chaps

I had 16 of these around 1989. I had great pleasure with them. They were loaded with the Fane 400 Colossus. Pretty scary when all 16 were running....ask Tre4u2nv LOL

Anyways, I have drawn up 2 versions. One as standard and the other with a double baffle and segmented scoop.

Second version is also slightly deeper, as well as a deeper chamber to receive deeper drivers

Width should be 61cm (24'')... do the cab wider to gain a larger chamber

chamber is 57 litres without the driver

Handle placements and cut off rear for castors is up to you to do

I'm 100% sure that with the Royals and the new monster Fanes these will sing







  EnjoyTongue


Thanks for the plan. Please could you re-do dimensions. At present it is very sloppy and hard to read.


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 4:04am
Originally posted by SBC SBC wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:



SBC who is Saul has just had some Fane scoops built. Don't suppose he would tell us what mod he has done but it would be interesting if there are any of the above been usedThumbs UpWink



LOL

come on now, can't be giving secrets like that away. 
LOL

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 4:07am
Soundchippy. Bit confused as to what file to save them in. I'm coming from autocad - copy paste to paint, then saving. First time I saved them before the adjustment they came out quite sharp. Saved them again and the came out blurry as you can see. Any suggestions?


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 4:08am
Sorry, screen save not copy, then paste to paint

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Posted By: soundchippy
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 11:08am
Try printing to PDF then taking screen grab.


Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 11:09am
if your using autocad, go to paper space (layout 1), select the box there, and stretch it to the extents of the paper. the dotted line will show your printable area. usually the paper size will be a4 default, but if not, you need to right click on the layout tab, and go to "page setup manager"

then double click in the box (viewport) and zoom in on the area you want. you can select specific scales on the drop down bottom right of screen. 

double click outside viewport to finish. 

then go to output ----> pdf -----> save to a place. 

or type plot, and there's usually an option to save as pdf instead of print. 

screen shots from autocad is not the way to keep plans legible. Dead





p.s. you can also plot by just typing plot, whilst in model space. select "window" from the "what to print" drop down. select your window. select your scale, and then print to pdf. 


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 11:16am
Cheers Saul


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 11:23am
Originally posted by soundchippy soundchippy wrote:

Try printing to PDF then taking screen grab.
Just remembered why I didn't do it that way. It wasn't recognizing the degree font. So 45 30 ad 15 were shown as just dots in the PDF file


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 11:47am
Originally posted by SBC SBC wrote:

if your using autocad, go to paper space (layout 1), select the box there, and stretch it to the extents of the paper. the dotted line will show your printable area. usually the paper size will be a4 default, but if not, you need to right click on the layout tab, and go to "page setup manager"

then double click in the box (viewport) and zoom in on the area you want. you can select specific scales on the drop down bottom right of screen. 

double click outside viewport to finish. 

then go to output ----> pdf -----> save to a place. 

or type plot, and there's usually an option to save as pdf instead of print. 

screen shots from autocad is not the way to keep plans legible. Dead





p.s. you can also plot by just typing plot, whilst in model space. select "window" from the "what to print" drop down. select your window. select your scale, and then print to pdf. 
They get saved as PDF's. The font for the degree sizes wasn't showing up.


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Posted By: soundchippy
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 10:28pm
If you fancy fowarding me the DWG i'll have a go at sorting it.


Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 10:59pm
a screen print being saved as a pdf isn't the same as an output from auto cad, if this is what is being done. 

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 23 December 2012 at 5:37am
No that's not what I'm doing

I'll get a screen shot of what autocad is saying


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 23 December 2012 at 5:49am


so the font used for the degree text is ArialIMT. I can't seem to change that font

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 23 December 2012 at 5:50am
Upgrade Adobe?


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Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 23 December 2012 at 1:20pm
type command: 

DIMSTYLE

to change the dimension text type and several other parameters 




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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 23 December 2012 at 3:00pm
no been there many times. It won't change the font for the degree text

anyways, I'll sort it

cheers


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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 1:27pm
can u not just over lay the deg font in photoshop..... so save a jpg in cad, open in photoshop and add missing type.....


Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 1:28pm
Mykey u gonna upset lev giving good designs away...Shocked Plus one on the first scaled up design, very nice warm sounding cab.....
 
the 209mm deflector plate, i have at a differant angle on the ones i scaled up from memory i have it at 35 degrees from bottom part of front chamber...... whats your thoughts on this mykey, all other measurments are with in a few mm.....


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 1:42pm
Hi Bee

EDIT: different panel. So you had given the panel 290mm a 35 degree? not really going to matter because it's before the throat


not really my design to give away. Just hope our new Chinese member don't see it.

happy new year Bee


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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 1:46pm
too late, they are in production a mr wongs allready ...... lol
I now but very helpfull to alot of people hear, it was one of the first scoops i drew to scale. Never did get around to building one.....


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 1:56pm
Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

too late, they are in production a mr wongs allready ...... lol
I now but very helpfull to alot of people hear, it was one of the first scoops i drew to scale. Never did get around to building one.....
with the slight mod I did they should sound better than the ones I did way back when




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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 5:38pm
just done quick drawing mykey.....
 
this should increase chamber volume, but also help entry to horn throat.....


Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 5:40pm
JBL style! Even better! Thumbs Up


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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 6:57pm
yes jr, more like the jbl scoop......


Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 02 January 2013 at 11:57pm
this scoop can still be made better.

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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 12:18am
double front baffle, double rear baffle, 36mm single brace between back baffle and horn. 2 x 36mm bracing horn to back of cab...... cab depth 18mm deeper for double bacl baffle.....


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 12:22am
Think it's great as is, without extra bracing making cab too heavy.

In fact some scoops have no corner deflectors.



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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 12:26am
every little bit helps lev,  even typing the word scoop mean eating 3 weetabix in the morning lol...


Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 1:01am
Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

double front baffle, double rear baffle, 36mm single brace between back baffle and horn. 2 x 36mm bracing horn to back of cab...... cab depth 18mm deeper for double bacl baffle.....

hmm not exactly my thoughts. 

but don't worry i'm not going to divulge such information in public. 

just saying this scoop can be made better...Wink

LOL


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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by SBC SBC wrote:

Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

double front baffle, double rear baffle, 36mm single brace between back baffle and horn. 2 x 36mm bracing horn to back of cab...... cab depth 18mm deeper for double bacl baffle.....

hmm not exactly my thoughts. 

but don't worry i'm not going to divulge such information in public. 

just saying this scoop can be made better...Wink

LOL
 
yes a few simple mods and your onto a winner..... i would make the box taller, and deeper, but thats not not what mykey has done, but for a diy beginer scoop you wont go far wrong with this scaled up design..... Im sure mykey would allso make a few mods to get more from this design.....


Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 1:23pm
defo those things would make it sound great,also one slight thing to change and it will go spl nuts !!!

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Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

defo those things would make it sound great,also one slight thing to change and it will go spl nuts !!!

that's enough from you thank you. 




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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 2:01pm
hahhahahhah happy new year saul,dont worry i want some built my self so LOL when u trying out ya new bins wanna here

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Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

hahhahahhah happy new year saul,dont worry i want some built my self so LOL when u trying out ya new bins wanna here

and to you bro. Thumbs Up

15th Feb at Waterfront Venue, Norwich. Full Tone, Free King, YW. 

see you on sunday at gp. 


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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 2:06pm
yeah man defo be there Big smile

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 03 January 2013 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by SBC SBC wrote:

Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

defo those things would make it sound great,also one slight thing to change and it will go spl nuts !!!

that's enough from you thank you. 




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Posted By: hmaudio
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 1:26am
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If people want a bigger chamber and the drivers fits in instead of making the cab bigger, why not just do this it makes sense if it sims up right and will drop abit lower?


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Posted By: ennayess
Date Posted: 01 February 2013 at 2:11pm
Hi chaps, been reading this thread and decided to draw up a wee mod.

I have no idea how the sim progs work and wondered if someone could give me a bit of friendly advice on this.

Cheers

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 02 February 2013 at 7:09am
Originally posted by SBC SBC wrote:

this scoop can still be made better.
Seeing as you didn't put one of Levs Wink after that sentence can you let the members know howWink


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 02 February 2013 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Originally posted by SBC SBC wrote:

this scoop can still be made better.
Seeing as you didn't put one of Levs Wink after that sentence can you let the members know howWink


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Posted By: ennayess
Date Posted: 03 February 2013 at 12:25am
deaf ears a fallin. im wantin to build a scoop, going in a bit blind. would above work? 


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 03 February 2013 at 3:42am
Originally posted by ennayess ennayess wrote:

deaf ears a fallin. im wantin to build a scoop, going in a bit blind. would above work? 
Chamber is on the large size and throat even smaller. Fane scaled up was meant to have subtle  mods.

Build it and let us know




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Posted By: ennayess
Date Posted: 03 February 2013 at 10:14am
Smile

cheers for advice. so that '210' is too big?

what sort of gap should be between the driver and the inner baffle?



Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 03 February 2013 at 1:26pm
10mm behind the drive should be fine. i.e. if driver is 100mm deep make the chamber 110mm deep from front of baffle...... this should be fine.....


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 1:42am
you could do the Fane from the plan thats already up and do your double baffle.

You can do what mods you want, no fuss to me. But making the chamber bigger will need a specific driver


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Posted By: ennayess
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 6:09am
I made the chamber bigger to use a Turbomax driver, as i read. I wasnt sure how much bigger i needed to make it. 


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 6:31am
Oh OK, well another way of getting round that is to open the throat up a bit and leave the chamber as is


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 6:32am
PM me the specs for the turbo max


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 7:46am
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Oh OK, well another way of getting round that is to open the throat up a bit and leave the chamber as is


Would be better to tell people to leave this scoop as is, and use Turbomax in COW scoop.


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 1:19pm
have you heard them then? Someone recently told me how good the ones Saul sold. Are they loaded with turbomax now?


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Oh OK, well another way of getting round that is to open the throat up a bit and leave the chamber as is


Would be better to tell people to leave this scoop as is, and use Turbomax in COW scoop.
yeah I would use a simple mod like playing with the throat EG the panel that is 450 try reducing it bit by bit to make the throat bigger, and if you take enough off the chamber will also get bigger. So no need to start playing with the original cab dimensions like the new chap has


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 1:55pm

So by taking 450 and reducing it to 425mm will give you a bigger chamber and throat without messing with anything else. This would give you the sound that most scoop lovers are looking for these days

70 litres minus driver 18'' = roughly 11 litres would leave 59 litres and a throat size of 849

Chamber and throat are close to Wattco scoop territory






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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 7:12pm
pluss one the bigger throat opening will give you less cone control but more low end...


Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 7:26pm
Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

pluss one the bigger throat opening will give you less cone control but more low end...


..and lower sensitivity & spl.

edit spealing


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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 04 February 2013 at 8:51pm
very true its a trade off.....


Posted By: ennayess
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 8:26am
so there must be a happy medium no?

I know i could just do that scaled up fane without the mods but i quite like the mystery around what its going to sound like when i build these. 
Obviously still keen on advice from old hands like you guys.

I read  lot abot drivers blowing in the wrong cab design. is this quite a frequent thing?


Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 10:01am
which driver do you want to use?


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Posted By: SBC
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 11:09am
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:


So by taking 450 and reducing it to 425mm will give you a bigger chamber and throat without messing with anything else. This would give you the sound that most scoop lovers are looking for these days

70 litres minus driver 18'' = roughly 11 litres would leave 59 litres and a throat size of 849

Chamber and throat are close to Wattco scoop territory





the throat is the narrowest part before expansion starts right?

well the blue one is not that...

you need to draw a line that meets the angle panel perpendicular if you want correct calculations. this will be the narrowest measurement in that area. 

it also looks suspiciously close to actually having reduced the chamber because the front angle at bottom of chamber looks almost as close to the rear baffle as the back upright angle. but could just be my coffee vision. 

circle command. Big smile


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 11:21am
Narrowest part is the throat. Rest is chamber


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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 11:22am

the throat.


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Posted By: ennayess
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 11:25am
Originally posted by JR.junior JR.junior wrote:

which driver do you want to use?

royal turbomax 1500


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 11:33am
Originally posted by ennayess ennayess wrote:

Originally posted by JR.junior JR.junior wrote:

which driver do you want to use?

royal turbomax 1500


Which means most of the recent  posts were a waste of time,
As Turbomax 1500, does not like rear baffle right up it's chuff..LOL

Certain things cannot be learn't from behind keyboard, with sims..

Sometimes you actually have to listen to music/speaker boxes, not just "theorise" about it.Wink

Like I said earlier, the original plan will be good for certain drivers, use COW scoop for others.



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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by SBC SBC wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:


So by taking 450 and reducing it to 425mm will give you a bigger chamber and throat without messing with anything else. This would give you the sound that most scoop lovers are looking for these days

70 litres minus driver 18'' = roughly 11 litres would leave 59 litres and a throat size of 849

Chamber and throat are close to Wattco scoop territory





the throat is the narrowest part before expansion starts right?

well the blue one is not that...

you need to draw a line that meets the angle panel perpendicular if you want correct calculations. this will be the narrowest measurement in that area. 

it also looks suspiciously close to actually having reduced the chamber because the front angle at bottom of chamber looks almost as close to the rear baffle as the back upright angle. but could just be my coffee vision. 

circle command. Big smile
Blimey Saul, well done for spotting that, 8mm in itClap, what a good eye you have. So what needs to happen is the rear baffle of 425 needs to have a 45degree cut at the bottom edge.






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Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 1:26pm
425 needs to be 470! Put PD1850 in and you're done.


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Posted By: ennayess
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by ennayess ennayess wrote:

Originally posted by JR.junior JR.junior wrote:

which driver do you want to use?

royal turbomax 1500


Which means most of the recent  posts were a waste of time,
As Turbomax 1500, does not like rear baffle right up it's chuff..LOL

Certain things cannot be learn't from behind keyboard, with sims..

Sometimes you actually have to listen to music/speaker boxes, not just "theorise" about it.Wink

Like I said earlier, the original plan will be good for certain drivers, use COW scoop for others.


Hahahaha thats why i made it bigger!!!


Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 1:30pm
So many things you can do, It's what keeps us hooked for life. No turning back to your usual hobbies HA


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by ennayess ennayess wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by ennayess ennayess wrote:

Originally posted by JR.junior JR.junior wrote:

which driver do you want to use?

royal turbomax 1500


Which means most of the recent  posts were a waste of time,
As Turbomax 1500, does not like rear baffle right up it's chuff..LOL

Certain things cannot be learn't from behind keyboard, with sims..

Sometimes you actually have to listen to music/speaker boxes, not just "theorise" about it.Wink

Like I said earlier, the original plan will be good for certain drivers, use COW scoop for others.

just extend the depth to add a double front baffle to the existing design

Hahahaha thats why i made it bigger!!!


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by ennayess ennayess wrote:

Originally posted by JR.junior JR.junior wrote:

which driver do you want to use?

royal turbomax 1500



Certain things cannot be learn't from behind keyboard, with sims..


Sweat and sawdust and rows with the MrsLOL


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Posted By: ennayess
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 2:02pm
Aye i havnt done any sims. no idea how the programs work. relying on advice at this present time. You got any resources for horn resp etc?


Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 2:07pm
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hornresp+download" rel="nofollow - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hornresp+download

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:



Certain things cannot be learn't from behind keyboard, with sims..

Sweat and sawdust and rows with the MrsLOL


Some people here need to enroll in the University of Tekasis. LOL

Lost count of the different boxes he has, varying driver models.

Often testing different drivers in cabs, getting his own results. Embarrassed


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 2:30pm
It's nice when it's like that though, never a dull moment




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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:



Certain things cannot be learn't from behind keyboard, with sims..

Sweat and sawdust and rows with the MrsLOL


Some people here need to enroll in the University of Tekasis. LOL

Lost count of the different boxes he has, varying driver models.

Often testing different drivers in cabs, getting his own results. Embarrassed


Correction Levy!

What you should say was had.

Those were in the younger days mate!

Only read nowadays & attend a few sound checks & nutten much ain't really cutting it!



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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

It's nice when it's like that though, never a dull moment


When you've spent years trying/borrowing drivers to try in cabs, and also understand T/S parms, you can look at a plan, and guess which drivers will work.

Person could build 4x scoops from this plan (as is), load with one of the approx 12x drivers it would slam with, and be earning money every month.

But no, we have "some" people here, who have just started to learn about scoop design, and prob done very little personal testing, illustriously stating what would make it better, and what changes it needs.

@Mykey, if you get any more grief, think you should just '187 the plan off the thread.




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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:


Correction Levy!

What you should say was had.

Those were in the younger days mate!

Only read nowadays & attend a few sound checks & nutten much ain't really cutting it!



You and I both know you don't sell much.. LOL

Not mentioning any specific drivers, but you'd be suprised how many of the drivers you have own, would love this cab.


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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

It's nice when it's like that though, never a dull moment



@Mykey, if you get any more grief, think you should just '187 the plan off the thread.


LOL

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Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 3:02pm
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:



Certain things cannot be learn't from behind keyboard, with sims..

Sweat and sawdust and rows with the MrsLOL


Some people here need to enroll in the University of Tekasis. LOL

Lost count of the different boxes he has, varying driver models.

Often testing different drivers in cabs, getting his own results. Embarrassed


Correction Levy!

What you should say was had.

Those were in the younger days mate!

Only read nowadays & attend a few sound checks & nutten much ain't really cutting it!

I hope you have a little space for a AK47 scoop. I'll drop one to you when I'm over. Should be the end of the month. I need the man Tekasis to review it Wink


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Posted By: ennayess
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by JR.junior JR.junior wrote:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hornresp+download" rel="nofollow - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hornresp+download

yeah i got as far as downloading in my question was more aimed at a user guide of some sort.


Posted By: JR.junior
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 3:21pm
search back in scoop forum.


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Posted By: b grade
Date Posted: 05 February 2013 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by ennayess ennayess wrote:

yeah i got as far as downloading in my question was more aimed at a user guide of some sort.
http://forum.speakerplans.com/guide-to-winisd-pro-and-hornresp_topic1314.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.speakerplans.com/guide-to-winisd-pro-and-hornresp_topic1314.html

This helped me.


Posted By: DJ Maestro
Date Posted: 07 February 2013 at 6:58pm
For 18LW2400 which of the scoop will be the best with good sensivity and spl...the standaard or the deeper one?




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