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Topic: xp and SSDs
Posted By: bassmish
Subject: xp and SSDs
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 12:19am
I was informed by someone (who will probably read this..) that xp doesnt know how to deal with SSDs properly and will destroy my drive because the writing function is different....

just wondering if anyone knows anything about this?? and whether I can make it deal properly with the SSD without upgrading my operating system?

thanks a lot



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Posted By: infrasound
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 12:30am
Why are you still using XP? Smile

Edit: (I make no sense sometimes)

AFAIK , TRIM isn't supported in XP - so not good for long term lifespan of the SSD!


Posted By: Grinner
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 12:35am
what is wrong with xp. especialy when using older lappys?
i for 1 use tiny xp  on a fair few older lappys that are used for differant things.
with no problems what so ever. but then again i dont use ssd drives.


Posted By: bassmish
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 3:10am
infra. yeah I think thats what he said. I actually updated to windows 8 recently. I love it on my general machine, but for my music production installation I am having some compatability issues with software. I havent noticed any difference in terms of speed or anything between the two. but some of my favorite plugins are now crashing. but if it's gonna damage my ssd, then I'm not using xp anymore. thats the reasoning behind it. thanks for the info. :)


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 9:33am
Originally posted by bassmish bassmish wrote:

infra. yeah I think thats what he said. I actually updated to windows 8 recently. I love it on my general machine, but for my music production installation I am having some compatability issues with software. I havent noticed any difference in terms of speed or anything between the two. but some of my favorite plugins are now crashing. but if it's gonna damage my ssd, then I'm not using xp anymore. thats the reasoning behind it. thanks for the info. :)


I typically don't upgrade OS, until at least 6months after the first SP.

Windows 7 Ultimate is fab, don't see myself going to '8 for at least 2-3x years.

Installed '7 on old 2Gb ram laptops replacing Vista, humongous speed improvement, on same replacing XP, more stable, solid.


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Posted By: infrasound
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 10:53am
Originally posted by Grinner Grinner wrote:

what is wrong with xp. especialy when using older lappys?
i for 1 use tiny xp  on a fair few older lappys that are used for differant things. 
with no problems what so ever. but then again i dont use ssd drives.

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:


Installed '7 on old 2Gb ram laptops replacing Vista, humongous speed improvement, on same replacing XP, more stable, solid.

Because Win7 is a worthy upgrade!

IMO, XP is fine if it's meant for an ancient or 'dedicated to some task' laptop, but otherwise Win7 walks all over it Smile


Posted By: bassmish
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 11:36am
so xp will ruin my SSD?


Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 4:13pm
my wifes quad core runs XP on a 64gig SSD... its been up and running now for over 18months.... used everyday for hours and hours. no probs. its the flag ship of our fleet.

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Posted By: Sinai Sound
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 6:20pm
I could be mistaken, but there might some SSD drives that have better built in garbage collection that doesn't rely on the OS so much

Mish, thought about Win 7 32bit at all? Partial solution possibly.......


Posted By: bassmish
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 7:09pm
hi huw. well yeah. but then again. I went and bought windows 8! didn't think I'd have problems.
my ssd is a 60 GB OCZ agility 3 I think??? what do you think?

I mean. I did actually have a problem with the PC recognising the SSD for a couple of days, which is what made me start having worries it was damaged, then I spoke to a friend who told me xp wasnt able to treat it right and might have caused the problem. and since I only got that ssd a year ago, I really wasn't up for wrecking it. and feeling rather behind the times I got 8.

the compatibilty issues are mostly with waves plugins, and with a chronic vst echo called bionic delay, the feedback doesn't work!! - this is very frustrating! but I have outboard gear too so it's not the end of the world.

they crash cubase with an 'APPCRASH' warning.
at first they were giving a different warning. I cant remember what it was called but I turned on DEP for cubase and that error was replaced with appcrash. google seems to think it's something to do with 64 bit compatibility. but my xp version is 64 bit and was installed identically to howit is now on windows 8.

I'm just not up for wasting time trying to make 8 work since xp works fine. but similarly, I dont wanna have to buy another hdd.

I have heard similar things from windows 764bit and incompatibility with plugins, so I wouldn't want to risk that.

so the real question is, how do I work out if xp will damage/has damaged the ssd? - if it is likely to cause damage, then I will just have to make 8 work through lots of googling etc

appreciate your help


Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 7:12pm
i got the same SSD running XP sp3... 18months no probs. ever.

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Posted By: bassmish
Date Posted: 26 February 2013 at 7:16pm
hmmmmm...... I am very tempted to just get back on xp. I mean, when I had the problem just before I got 8. I ended up replacing the SATA cable, and so maybe it was that that was the problem. I'm not sure, wasn't very systematicas I was panicking!!

obviously I'm keeping 8 on general installation cos it's PRO! - feel like I've been living in the dark ages


Posted By: Friss
Date Posted: 10 March 2013 at 9:07pm
Hah, I did read it :)
Yep no TRIM support in XP so not good for long term lifespan of most SSDs.  Some have better garbage collection, I think the Samsung drives and one or two others may have TRIM/similar internally so don't need the OS to have the commands built in (which also means you can put them in a RAID array if you wanted >_<)

Whether it's a good idea depends on how many long you want your drive to last. Coupla years, fine, 5 or so then maybe not.  There's a couple of programs that will estimate remaining lifespan of your drive based on SMART data, can't remember what they're called (SSD Life perhaps?).

Definitely been in the dark ages...


Posted By: bassmish
Date Posted: 11 March 2013 at 8:14pm
I used that program friss!! my ssd will last till 2022 apparently!


Posted By: Friss
Date Posted: 11 March 2013 at 11:30pm
Is that cus you changed to win8 >_<


Posted By: noodle
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 12:50am
I got given a notebook with an upgraded ssd init but it was running windows so I dropped Linux mint 14 on there, you'll never look back.

Will take you a few weeks to get use to it



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