R.S.E LTD OLDIE SYSTEM INFO PLEASE
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Topic: R.S.E LTD OLDIE SYSTEM INFO PLEASE
Posted By: paulus
Subject: R.S.E LTD OLDIE SYSTEM INFO PLEASE
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 8:34am
HERE we have a old system which consists of 2 acoustic lens,jbl 2440/345 loaded,also in the box was a 1inch driver mounted on another metal horn,the box contains a cross over for the two comps also.lenes and comps are for sale so feel free to pm me with offers,may split also if can get buyers for the lot tho a forum member has first refusal on the lenes at the moment,one jbl 2440 and one jbl/lansing 345 comp both working 4 scoops which are of a unknown design been handy with my tape measure and they are sim to a larry mr dub scoop but the baffle is 1 inch longer and the piece that goes up behind it to rear corner of the cab is 2 in longer and at a very steep angle compared to the larryhas 2 deflector pieces in rear horn on for handles AND a very big one behind the baffle going to lid of cab plan is to try and get some fanes for these cabs and keep them for a bit of fun tho i only have pd1850s here at the moment so will be trying one later hopefully it will not blow the cab to bits made of 18mm birtch ply and 2 loaded with some old eminence 500w drivers(only 2), told lens boxes will decrease the performance of the lens as it sits inside,funny a company built them in this way,guy told me he had the system for 10 years and when he got it was run of quad hi fi amps!!!!wish he still had those anyway would love some info etc on this,been a free party rig for 10 years so seen some action but all working well worth the 370 mile drive tho my misses does not think so as her place in the shed for tumble dryer has gone and it now has no home RSE LIMITED 1 WESTMINSTER ROAD WAREHAM DORSET THOUGHTS GUYS???
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 8:35am
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 8:36am
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 8:37am
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 8:39am
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 8:47am
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 9:04am
All I can remember about them is that they were a prominent name in the business at that time, but I never knew who was involved. Some of our other established members on here will know.
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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 11:26am
Definitely rebox those lens, or at least cut back the front to expose them. Nice find . Didn't RSE have a series of amps aswell?
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 11:40am
As Gavin says above,the lense boxes themselves are scrap,in fact they simply wont work properly in there as the ends of the lenses need to be exposed.
The scoops seem to have a bigger than usual mouth or scoop,deffinately bigger than a 4530,on which i assume they were based?
i wonder if there was a mid range cabinet which is missing,surely they didnt use those scoops up to the 800hz-ish crossover to the lenses? Maybe there was an angled 2x12 affair that went above the scoops?
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 11:45am
And yes,i think you are correct Gav,i seem to remember some big old RSE amplifiers too...early 80's maybe?
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Posted By: Joe Grime
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 1:42pm
RSE amps were designed and build by Rob Evans I believe.
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 1:51pm
nice find its a hard to beat feelin when you plug in some old classic equipment and press play
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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 1:55pm
Paulus, check out the crossover on the bay... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/rse-amplification-2-3-frequency-divider-Crossover-/130860064890?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Outboards_Effects_MJ&hash=item1e77de207a" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/rse-amplification-2-3-frequency-divider-Crossover-/130860064890?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Outboards_Effects_MJ&hash=item1e77de207a
Pictures edited out as wrong.
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Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 7:09pm
Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 11:02pm
Here you go:
http://www.spamabyss.net/pictures/RSE3.jpg" rel="nofollow - www.spamabyss.net/pictures/RSE3.jpg
RSE consoles had a distinctive appearance, with large coloured knobs reminiscent of old Trident studio desks. The 15 channel version seems to have been the most popular. The amp racks and speakers were also highly distinctive because they were carpet covered, unusual in those days.
The amplifier racks consisted of three bridged Quad 303 amplifiers with a 2-way active crossover.
Their speakers consisted of 4530 style scoop bins and large JBL acoustic lenses. Two-way systems crossed over at around 800 Hz were quite common in the early 70's - there was no separate midrange for this rig.
I seem to recall Gryphon, Cado Belle, and the Edgar Broughton Band as some of the acts to own (or at least use) these rigs.
(The pictures posted by burningbush are of equipment from a modern, unrelated, company)
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 12:00am
What a great bit of archive stuff there.
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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 8:32am
madboffin wrote:
Two-way systems crossed over at around 800 Hz were quite common in the early 70's - there was no separate midrange for this rig.
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My poor old ears could have told you that (martin 115s x-ed over to Vitavox S3s give you hearing damage, man!)!!! As I mentioned on the other post about this system, RSE were also used by Thin Lizzie in their very early pub-rock days.
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 8:37am
Thats very intersting,thanks MB.
Conclusive proof that scoops can play up to 800hz then!...but of course,the 70's bass drivers had smaller coils and lightweight paper cones,(in this case Electrovoice 15",so probually would have been the EV15L or EV15B).
As Trevor says above though,screaming the 2" down to 800hz,yes poor ears!
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Posted By: service dept Steve
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 9:17am
Nice, I'm sure that RSE will be very pleased with their marketing department to find that most people think they no longer make amplifiers!! CP Sound is one distributor: http://www.cpsound.co.uk/products/rse_home.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.cpsound.co.uk/products/rse_home.htm I will second the motion that someone there has failed to understand how acoustic lenses work, the ends must be exposed.
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 12:11pm
thank you guys some great info there,so the bins would have been originally 15",thought the 18 looked a tight fit ,
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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 1:27pm
I also seem to remember that both top & bottom boxes had a silvery/grey (sparkly?) grill cloth covering the cabs.
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 1:48pm
yes there a grey carpet
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Posted By: knet94
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 6:13pm
I used to have a pair of RSE 15" scoops. I used to have Celestion Powercells in them. They were 16 ohms and I connected in parallel with 2 x 8 ohm 18" scoops. Seemed to really work well together. They were really tatty though and I can't even remember what happened to them.
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 6:26pm
did they look like these ken? tall etc pretty sure these have been cut to house a 18" driver as the 1850 was a bit of a shoe horn to get in because of width of cab,prob blow the bloody sides off when fired up
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Posted By: knet94
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 6:31pm
They looked exactly like those ones. I was very surprised that yours were 18" so yes probably cut to suit a slightly smaller 18" than the 1850s.
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 06 March 2013 at 6:33pm
ok cheers ken yeah defo be cut to fit,the guy i had them off used fane xbs and old emini 500w(one in pic loaded with one) 4 on one side and 2 folded doubles(usb style) on the other side all run off a ffa 10,000,
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 13 March 2013 at 10:26am
yeah ken defo a 15 cut too fit,after having a closer look at grills etc can see where they have been modified from standard to avoid the driver hitting them,considering what they are and when they were built results were say "surprising" when fitted with 1850s,no rattles from cabs and very high spl with a very good attack for 18 scoops,will defo carry the 4 out soon to a dance enviroment(oxford hopfully) to really see whats what with them,only things on the to do list are add 36mm mouth bracing(always a good thing) add a 18mm baffle on the front to see/hear any improvments,tho as they are the cone controll is exellent but always good to experimant,will post results as they unfold,cheers everyone for the info on this system ,also still got len's for sale,shamefull plug
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Posted By: feedback
Date Posted: 16 March 2013 at 2:46pm
The old Dingwalls in Camden had a stack a side banging away for years as I remember,Lizzy had aload and didn't Macca have a load that tipped over en-route one time...and the guy that designed it was a boffin who turned his hand to the moving posture bed for hospitals..or something...!
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Posted By: hifidelity
Date Posted: 04 December 2013 at 10:44pm
Hey Paulus, don't spose you've still got any of this RSE system left you want to sell have you?
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 04 December 2013 at 11:06pm
have the accustic lenes here loaded with jbl 2" comp and a black one 351 think its called, could prb get the scoops back as my mate has them in his pub with fane colossus 400s in and sound lovly
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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 10 December 2013 at 8:59pm
There is an amp on eBay the now.
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Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 03 January 2014 at 4:20am
2 stacks of RSE ran in the "Red Lion" in Brentford for years on 5 Quad 50E's a side in a riser underneath which were similar to 303 but had TX output so could be connected in series to a variety of loads. this IIRC was the std amps used due to the ease of use and not requiring "Bridging" just series connections each did 50W rms so 2 just doubled the Voltage or 3 etc till you got the power you needed with all being fed a parallel signal. The Red Lion a long running Rock n Roll venue characterised by all the London Road Rats "Hogs" parked outside rather than them playing in the venue as you would find today I actually played on that system a few times just before it became an ordinary pub and is now McDonalds
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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 21 July 2014 at 12:29pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RSE-PFX1200-amplifier-/281386698534?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Amplifiers_RL&hash=item4183f44726" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RSE-PFX1200-amplifier-/281386698534?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Amplifiers_RL&hash=item4183f44726
sounds like a fixer upper, lol.
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Posted By: hifidelity
Date Posted: 25 July 2014 at 7:57am
thanks - interesting. But not actually an amp I know/remember/want, as Paulus's RSE system came with quite a different set up. It was 2 grey carpeted boxes each with 3 bridged quad 303's in them, along with an RSE custom electronic crossover and limiter in each that was innovation beyond belief in its day. Most of those are long gone as people broke them down for the quads which where instantly useable in other ways - and generally looked pretty fine because they had spent there working years bolted inside these carpeted boxes. You can imagine how much each weighed! anyway thanks
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Posted By: expat
Date Posted: 23 December 2018 at 10:04am
Guys - the RSE 600 system was 2 bass 15in (not sure but poss JBL D or K series) and te top box with the badly boxed lens. It was boxed that way to protect the lens in transit.
I remeber the Alex Harvey band having a rig. Sounded good.
Amps were quad 303's running in bridge mode - 100w at 8 ohms per amp.
Dont remember the mixer.
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Posted By: expat
Date Posted: 23 December 2018 at 10:05am
oh - and maybe the first PA covered in carpet!!!
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Posted By: Kengale
Date Posted: 02 March 2020 at 4:14pm
Hi
I am the original designer of the RSE PA system - the cabinets had already been chosen when I joined the company but the amps, crossovers and all the acoustic bits are mine. As some have already noted, the amps were 3 off Quad 303 amps to give 100W each into 16 ohms. and the active crossover included peak-limiting compressors and differential outputs to each amp. Some members seem concerned that the grill-cloths might affect the performance of the acoustic lens on the mid/treble, but we carried out test-room performance evaluation and could see no difference. The PA's were designed especially for touring type applications and the carpet covering was an industrial-grade flooring material which proved very tough, and some systems lasted for many years hard life on the road while still looking OK. Unlike the traditional black-vinyl with chrome corners, which soon looked very tatty once they had been lugged around a few hundred road miles in a van.
We also found that vandalising was a problem with live-performance set-ups and the grill cloths helped to protect against the odd knife attack!
we also made a 100W full-range monitor, about the size of a 4-drawer file cabinet, also using Quad 303, one-off this time again with active crossover, compressors etc. This time the bass speaker was fully horn loaded rather than the hybrid front/rear-horn loading of the bigger PA's. Amongst other performances using these was a concert by John Williams (guitarist) at the Royal Albert Hall that I was at.
If you go to https://www.electroprops.co.uk/92/Cases-flightcases-technical-tool-cases/Large-period-20-channel-audio-mixer-for-touringstudio-1960s-1970s-P2079.html you will see one of our mixers - came in any multiple of 5 channels up to 25 channels. Again the emphasis on toughness and any-gear compatibility. All my design this one.
Groups using our gear included Yes, Paul McCartney and Wings, New York Dolls, Hawkwind, Hollywood, Blue, Thin Lizzie, Black Sabbath etc etc
Since then I have worked in a variety of fields (Aircraft flight computers, intrinsically safe gas detectors, electronic aids for the disabled, missile interceptors, high-speed memory systems, automatic traffic-light controllers) before settling back into audio in the form of sonar and ultrasound imaging systems, with frequencies ranging from 25Hz to 10MHz, and powers from 5W per channel (up to 256 channels at a time) to 60kW per channel. Nothing like a bit of variety!
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Posted By: Bams
Date Posted: 02 March 2020 at 6:19pm
Great to have you on board! Really neat career by the way.. friend of mine went from club engineer/maintenance to 4g/5g transmission systems but in between far less interesting choices :)
For the time of the design of the system quit some technics in the system like the crossover and such
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Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 04 March 2020 at 2:40pm
Thank you so much for posting that, it's very interesting and helpful.
As you will have seen, there is almost no published information about these systems either
on the internet or elsewhere.
A definitive first hand account from the original designer is extremely useful to have. Would you like to write up the full history of the company and add any more details you can remember?
(for my sins, I worked at Martin Audio in the 1980's...)
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Oh, and the comments re the lenses were not about the grilles. JBL always advised that the plates should be open at the sides for the lens effect to work at its optimum. But of course that left them vulnerable to damage, so they had to be boxed for road use. Some companies used very deep front lids that allowed the sides to be exposed when removed.
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