Super Build Pics..
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Forum Name: Scoops
Forum Description: One scoop or two ;-)
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Topic: Super Build Pics..
Posted By: jethrocker
Subject: Super Build Pics..
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 5:24pm
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Not boasting, they're of superscoopers.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/jethdub/barescoops.jpg">
 Two all ready for painting.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/jethdub/Escanear0003.jpg">  Awaiting the second side panel..
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/jethdub/Escanear0002.jpg">  Sort of in the middle of being built, ah...
Tobin, thought I had one where the scoop formers were more visible. You may be able to make it out on the above once you view them full size.
Edit:Made the pics into clickable thumbnails as they came up huge and I hate that..
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 7:07pm
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These are not build pics of Super Scoopers, but from an ebay builder who say's these are better than scoopers and maybe ASS.  Is this the http://www.dancetech.com/aa_dt_new/pa/plans/15-bass-scoop-print.gif - Fane design ? Seems deeper, wider, taller. Complete build has scoop of course but no brace.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Insomnia
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 8:26pm
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thats the fane design mate,
that could be a 15'' scoop your looking at and not a 18''
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Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 9:19pm
| I only wish the Fane design were a lot better than scoopers. They're a whole lot easier to build, much less wood in them, far lighter, slightly narrower so more van space. Hang on, maybe they are better? |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 4:10am
Yup, it is for the 15, and the fane design diag I linked to as well.. Just put it up to get some chat going, on the internals of another scoop for a change.
Yeah, but lots of builders are going for wider, deeper scoops for deeper bass. SuperScooper RX18 Height 1220 1113 Depth 760 880 Width 600 673 ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Insomnia wrote:Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 4:30am
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You notice on this design, the small triangular piece that's normally on the bottom panel in the rear chamber behind the driver magnet to reduce the throat area is not there.
I wonder if this affect this cab design ?
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Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 5:30am
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that triangular piece you mention is not on the Fane or Eminence scoop plans, i also wonder how much difference it makes? ------------- 
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 5:38am
Yeah I know Static, I've only seen the triangular piece on the supers..
Any idea if the ASS scoops has it ? Anyone ever looked inside ?
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Posted By: login4
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 9:52am
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i recon its the eminence design, iv built quite a few now..... ------------- CELTIC SUBSONIC SOUND SYSTEMS |
Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 12:29pm
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The triangular section on the scooper creates the throat, gives a slight compression chamber effect. I'm convinced this is part of the reason supers are som much more defined sounding than certain other scoops.
I didn't realise those ASS were so much deeper and wider. I have a feeling Rog tends to design with wastage in mind, the dimensions of the super mean little waste from each sheet.
Maybe someone can draw up/build/test a scoop with increased width/depth, and similarly precise internals to the supers. If Rogs driver bacomes available then we might be seeing a new superdooperscooper?!?
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 6:34pm
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I like the sound of that 'superdooperscooper' Jethrocker
This more defined sound you mention, do you think that this is the sound the sound system guys who plays roots reggae music wants to hear, or you think they only want to hear & feel bass rumbling & shaking up venues ?
I've still never heard a super scooper loaded with a PD1850 or V-18 1000, I've only heard them with PD186s.
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Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 8:07pm
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Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 9:26am
do you think adding this triangular section to Fane/Eminence design scoops will be an improvement?
i'm tempted to put it in one scoop and compare it to the one without. -------------
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Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:45pm
Could be worth a try. Best thing would be to work out the ideal throat area for your driver using the required formula, you'll need to know the VAS, QTS, and FS of the cone I think. Then add your section to bring the throat to this size. Your problem will be if the driver actually wants a throat the same or larger in size than the gap you already have to work with. Other problem, the relationship between throat and mouth would be changed. More playing with numbers could tell you what effect this should have I suppose-maybe higher cut off, or something.
I think both emeinence and fane designs are very approximated horns anyway, so probably just worth giving it a try, listening might make more sense than numbers!
If you do experiment, let us know the outcome..
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 24 December 2006 at 12:08pm
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Jethrocker, when you playing out with your system again in a fairly large venue ?
Seems like this is the only way I'm gonna hear Super Scoopers loaded with PD1850s.
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Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 24 December 2006 at 2:21pm
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Teksasis, I'm out of the UK personally at the moment..not back till april. Not sure when the sounds playing next, we're kind of holding back on bigger sessions till we get a few things sorted. Keep an eye on the myspace page for session details. We have a few dances coming up in the next year though..
Sure we're not the only sound running supers with 1850s, though i think we were one of the first;)
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 24 December 2006 at 2:40pm
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Cheers for the update Jethrocker. Sound guys, which ones of you out there use super scoopers loaded with PD1850s ?
I know Fable Sound System use super scoopers loaded with PD186s.
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