Johnathon James B. Eeles WARNING.
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Topic: Johnathon James B. Eeles WARNING.
Posted By: lickweed
Subject: Johnathon James B. Eeles WARNING.
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 9:30am
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I want to warn others as this guy has done it to few companies already. He hire 2 cdj1000mk3 and djm800 all with udg bags He uses documents under name jonathon james b eeles from alexandra house- croydon. I called this address today and it turned out that he dosn't live there anymore and has done it to few other companies. Serial numbers of gear: djm800-FJMP004715YY CDJ1000MK3-FLMP020974YY CDJ1000MK3-FLMP020856YY aLL had custom faceplate on them with liquidsound.co.uk,no pioneer logo on the top and knobs on djm knobs are grey not black     Please let me know if you find something. ------------- http://www.liquidsound.co.uk/ |
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Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 3:48pm
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christ..... sorry to hear it fella. i'll keep an eye on the bay for ya. ------------- If it sounds like a gorilla is trying to escape, turn it down. |
Posted By: djsam3000
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 4:08pm
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Lickweed, he done it to us as well as a company in London W5 and Tunbridge Wells. We have registered it with Action Fraud and Essex police who say they are investigating but we shall see. We had stolen 2x CDJ2000, 1x DJM600 and 2x Technics 1210mk2 all in flightcases. Hope something comes up for you but if you do get anywhere please let us know. We have criminal case and civil case for replacement kit going at the moment. Sam
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 4:34pm
| A visual description or photo of the dude from CCTV might be useful, I doubt that was his real name… |
Posted By: djsam3000
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 4:45pm
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Link to photo on Facebook Correct name for the individual as far as known, used driving license and recent bill for the Croydon address supplied. Same name and contact details on Facebook https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/923401_10151755227216313_1706792910_n.jpg
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Posted By: lickweed
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 5:05pm
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Sam when he hired equipment from you? ------------- http://www.liquidsound.co.uk/ |
Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 5:28pm
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Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately thats the risk of doing dry hires. Some people really have no morals, but their karma will catch up with them. I had somebody on gumtree try to rip me off last week. You really have to be on your guard these days. Best of luck with catching the scumbag |
Posted By: djsam3000
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 5:33pm
| Hire was arranged from Friday 4th until Monday 7th October 13 |
Posted By: sam9480
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 5:41pm
 in order
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Posted By: kedwardsleisure
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 5:51pm
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Try ringing the local pawn shops. Dont expect the police to do it. ------------- Kevin North Staffordshire |
Posted By: Evan
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 5:58pm
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Whats the law with regards to us posting his mug shot on Facebook pages such as rig-resale, rig trader, sound system sales etc.... Surely some one out there must know this guy, and it might just prevent someone else from being targeted by this guy. ------------- Music Will Never Leave You! |
Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 6:18pm
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Providing you're not inciting any violence/illegal action, I would imagine his mugshot from Facebook would be considered to be public domain if he's not locked it down. ------------- My laser stuff: http://www.facebook.com/SubsonicSystems" rel="nofollow - Frikkin Lasers |
Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 6:21pm
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What a c#nt! I don´t do many dry hires, but always take photos of the people and the vehicles/reg nos. Addresses are easier to fake than vehicle details! ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 6:36pm
nope... vehicles are pi55 easy to fake.......... so iv heard 
------------- If it sounds like a gorilla is trying to escape, turn it down. |
Posted By: Richie T
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 9:09pm
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Sorry to hear that - couple of tips which I can give as ive almost been ripped off a few times :- If they are paying cash, make sure they give you two forms of ID which consists of :- 1) passport or driving licence 2) debit/credit card - ideally with a bank statement showing address The reason is that its more difficult to fake both with matching names and credentials. Take reg no of car too. Even better if you can - get them to pay you by paypal as those details are traceable, but do that on top of the couple things mentioned above. Then make sure the person whose paypal account it is is the actual person hiring, and not their mate. I've been told im a little strict when it comes to this sort of thing, but this thread is the reason why. Any genuine person will be more than happy to leave the correct details. |
Posted By: chunkydj
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 9:28pm
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This guy took 4 CDJ2000 and 1 DJM900 From us West End DJ! He paid on a debit card, which matched the Drivers licence (we made a copy) and his passport (we made a copy too) There is an extremely generous reward for the person that helps us find this guy. Apparently the Police (For us its a Westminster unit) have found the bloke who claims to have sold the kit on?!?! ------------- http://www.maxmarcusevents.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.maxmarcusevents.co.uk |
Posted By: lickweed
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 9:30pm
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I took reg number Its red ford focus BN13 CPV ------------- http://www.liquidsound.co.uk/ |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 9:41pm
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Reading this thread,it would appear he is a serial offender,as he has now stolen gear from three different members...makes you wonder how many others he has scammed too,hire shops,etc. Hope the police can aprehend him ASAP. From the locations of the people he has stolen from,looks like he is London-based,so,as Kevin says on the previous page,contact all the london cash converters/cash exchangers incase your gear is offered there. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: lickweed
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:16am
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There are more and more victims showing up. I don't know why nobody shared his information before ------------- http://www.liquidsound.co.uk/ |
Posted By: B.P.Sound
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:38am
Then why wasn't it posted on this site ? ? ? ? ? ------------- http://www.londoneventrentals.co.uk/ https://www.facebook.com/LondonEventRentals |
djsam3000 wrote:Posted By: B.P.Sound
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:40am
Then why wasn't it posted on this site ? ? ? ? ? ------------- http://www.londoneventrentals.co.uk/ https://www.facebook.com/LondonEventRentals |
Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 9:53am
Not around here - and I thought that faking reg plates in the UK was a lot more difficult now as well. ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 11:09am
| well it would make sence then to have a sticky thread, if anyones had hire gear go walkies to warn other people on it not to hire to so and so. |
Posted By: MattStolton
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 11:37am
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Cheers boys, printed out mugshot, and added him to our "Wall Of Shame". To be honest, if the guy has got genuine ID, there isn't much you can do.....The fact it is out of date is your only wriggle, we insist on 3xID, all with name address (passport is allowed) but bills must be recent, 1-2 months. Still leaves you vulnerable, so we charge significant deposits, so we are not the lowest hanging fruit. Vehicle reg, that he drives off in, is useful to Plod. Verify that the reg he gives you, is the vehicle he actually drives of in, worth checking tax disc matches too....You do it by kindly offering to help him load the car with gear. ------------- Matt Stolton - Technical Director (!!!) - http://www.wildingsound.co.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilding Sound Ltd "Sparkius metiretur vestra" - "Meter Your Mains" |
Posted By: a1dl
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 12:02pm
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This http://www.freecarcheck.org/" rel="nofollow - http://www.freecarcheck.org/ is useful to check a vehicle is not on false plates (you can verify the vehicle type & colour). There is another site you can check if a vehicle has current insurance on, however you're supposed to be the registered keeper or "authorised" to use it... http://www.askmid.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.askmid.com/
These tools can flag up discrepancies, which may influence whether you want to allow someone to drive with £,000s of kit. ------------- http://www.eventpahire.co.uk |
Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 12:17pm
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SP flashmob next time he shows up somewhere to book some kit? |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 12:24pm
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I have changed the title of this thread,so his name will show if anyone else does an internet search for him. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 12:32pm
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Would also be a good idea if someone could post a link to this thread on SJ,facebook gear sale forums,etc etc. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: Evan
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 12:42pm
I've seen his face and name being thrown around on fb this morning on one of the sound system pages, rig resale or something like that, there's a picture of his driving licence for everyone to see on there. ------------- Music Will Never Leave You! |
Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 12:49pm
Actually, this thread is useless for internet searches since the General forum was changed to private, so Google cannot snoop it. Maybe we do need a 'Crime and Disorder Reporting' section that IS exposed to the wider internet. Looking at the age of the guy, and the type of vehicle, the car has 'Hire Car' written all over it, or at least a lease vehicle or company car. So it could help narrow down his location via the local rental branch. They could even have an address for him if they do pick ups/drop offs ------------- My laser stuff: http://www.facebook.com/SubsonicSystems" rel="nofollow - Frikkin Lasers |
Posted By: a1dl
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 12:55pm
... or put it in the "Wanted" section... ------------- http://www.eventpahire.co.uk |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 1:34pm
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Moved to wanted. Sounds like an old wild west poster. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 3:30pm
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What an absolute scumbag, hope his genitalia rot off. Tony ------------- www.forteaudio.eu - BMS - db-Mark Processors - Lexon (SAE) |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 4:11pm
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Dry hire of DJ kit to people you don't know just isn't worth it, in terms of risk of theft and damage. The profit margins on each job, even if it's a full set, are pretty much scuppered the moment you lose one bunch of kit. We got done once, by somebody other than this guy, but with the same setup. It's a civil rather than criminal when they breach hire agreements and by the time you've followed the process to even try and get them to court the kit will be long gone. Any scammer who's spoken to somebody who's done this before knows how little risk there is for them, so it's easy to be a serial offender and simply punt them on to students down the pub for a bargain price, at which point they'll not leave a bedroom for years. |
Posted By: a1dl
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 4:14pm
+100
------------- http://www.eventpahire.co.uk |
Posted By: sam9480
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 5:30pm
| ive always done dry hires and always to people ive known in the industry, plus even then contracts, id's, address and desposits taken upon collection everything checked packed signed for and deposits returned. shame that some people are out there ripping us hard working teams, people off, find em and make em pay ££££'s and if the court has anything to say youll see 2pence a week. |
Posted By: londonavc
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 6:02pm
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Norty 303 Raises a good point about the vehicle in question, he would of definitely needed his licence plus another form of ID and large deposit on card. I doubt it that any of the large companies (Hertz, Europcar etc) will take cash. I have some experience within criminal law and will tell you that the police will not do much about this, until a few victims group up and formalise action. Its often found that your own intelligence led work will yield more results. We will keep any eye out for him, his car etc or the kit. All the best to you my friend. |
Posted By: adamski1010
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 6:42pm
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This type of crime seems to be on the rise. We recently had 4x CDJ2000s, 2x DJM2000s and some RCF TT series boxes go walkies from a dry hire in similar circumstances. The hiring of DJ kit to people who walk in off the street is no longer something I encourage in our company due to the risk. Real shame for the innocent folk who need to hire kit like this but are unable to due to the actions of a few idiots. Adam
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Posted By: discodave
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 6:56pm
| I'm sure I see them cdj on eBay last night I remember them having funny face plates |
Posted By: rich21
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:13pm
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still there http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pioneer-CDJ-1000-Mk3-Turntable-/231094388619?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Turntables&hash=item35ce4c878b" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pioneer-CDJ-1000-Mk3-Turntable-/231094388619?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Turntables&hash=item35ce4c878b eta its a warning not real ------------- http://www.facebook.com/SLRuk" rel="nofollow - facebook! http://www.slruk.com" rel="nofollow - website! |
Posted By: djsam3000
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:14pm
| Read the descriptions guys JEEEEEZ |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:15pm
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hope that works!
------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:32pm
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I saw Lickweed's Gumtree add too. http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/pioneer-cdj1000mk3/1038661181" rel="nofollow - http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/pioneer-cdj1000mk3/1038661181 ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:45pm
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got this info off facebook.... http://www.inlondonjob.co.uk/105464.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.inlondonjob.co.uk/105464.html possible address location is the ymca in Croydon..... ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:46pm
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Johnathon Eeles’s CV Name: Johnathon Eeles Address: 1 Lansdown Road Croydon Surry CR9 2BN Telephone: 07413114797 Personal Profile A hard working person who always perseveres to achieve the best results. Enjoys meeting new people and learning new things, can quickly collect and analyse information and grasp technical issues. Has excellent negotiation and problem solving skills. Spare time is spent playing football, spending time with friends and family. and i am currently rebuilding a classic car. J par family butchers From 2006 till July 2008 I worked in a butcher shop where I prepared, cut and cooked raw products. At the end of each day I also had the job of cleaning the cutting blocks, cleaning machinery, floors, equipment and all food preparation sites. 5 star Catering During the music festival seasons of 2008/2009/2010 I worked for five star catering at a number of festivals including Glastonbury, Reading, Alexader Palace and Battersea Park, duties were to prepare, cook and served a wide range of food and drink, unload lorries, stock check, setting up and packing away stalls, delivering stock and fuel to other stalls and ice cream vans and cash handling. Education Secondary School: All Saints Catholic College BTEC first diploma in Spanish Religious studies: C ICT: C Maths: C English: C Media studies: B Orpington College (2006-2007) GNVQ intermediate in ICT Key skills in maths and English Bromley College (2007-2008) BTEC first diploma n software development and information computing technology Level 2 in key skills maths and English Crystal palace football club (2008) Level one in football coaching Emergency first aid course FA learning soccer parent Lewisham College BTEC national diploma in Art, design, multi media and computing Key skills level 3 (maths and English) Key skills level 2 (computing) SE20 Cycles During my time off from college I worked part time in SE20 Cycles where I cleaned and prepared the shop in the morning before opening, I served customers, answered phone calls, ordered stock, repaired customer bikes, and sold new and second hand bikes. Quality Styles During the summer and Christmas of 2009 I worked as a part time supervisor in a clothes shop, my duties where till check reading, cash handling, ordering stock, customer service and security on the shop floor. RST Security I have completed a BTEC level 2 diploma in door supervision. I hold a full gold standard SIA licence Crystals Night Club I currently have a part time job working in a busy night club, my duties range from collecting and washing glasses, cleaning spilages, serving customers, stock rotation and refilling stock. Millenium City Garages as a trainie mechanic I would assist testers with thier MOT& " rel="nofollow - |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 7:47pm
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go to his place of work and you can ask for your stuff back either the club or the garage ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 8:01pm
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or ring the sia, says he has a licence..... ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 8:04pm
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He only got a 'B' in Media Studies? He must be a complete F'tard! Hope he gets found and all equipment returned. ------------- Chas n Dave : it's like Drum and Bass but with beards. E=mc² ±3dB |
Posted By: lickweed
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 8:28am
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His facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/eeles2" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/eeles2 ------------- http://www.liquidsound.co.uk/ |
Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 8:52am
No mention of CDJ or mixers in his "bits for sale Bexley area" group.
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 11:16am
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Any response from the police yet on this matter? ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: londonavc
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 11:18am
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I have checked SIA database , I have worked for a number of years within security. What a doughnut a gold standard licence, what on earth is he on about. SIA licence is an SIA licence. What it appears is that he has done his training course (stage 1 of 2) but not applied for his licence(stage 2 of 2), unless he is using some sort of other name(s). |
Posted By: Blaize110
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 12:45pm
| Anyone have a car they want 'restoring'? - https://www.facebook.com/groups/JJRestorations/" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/groups/JJRestorations/ |
Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 1:56pm
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Don't think this guy is going to get away with it for much longer? How stupid to you have to be to run a scam like this and leave such an online presence. |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 2:05pm
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Yes indeed,not the sharpest of tools it would appear is he? ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 2:26pm
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Could be an all fake page for people to check his id when presented with an out of date drivers licence etc. A friend of mine did a similar scheme to cover up his extramarital adventures.
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Posted By: chunkydj
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 2:51pm
Westminster Police have served him with one of these 'please attend xxxxx station for questioning' summons I think. ------------- http://www.maxmarcusevents.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.maxmarcusevents.co.uk |
Posted By: hmaudio
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 4:12pm
I own a second hand shop (called Hmaudio strangely enough  ) and before i took over i worked for the previous owner and he had no end of people using there own i.d to sell stolen stuff!! how stupid do you have to be its like grassing your selfup.. we took all info down and when the police would do there monthly visit they would all get knicked. iv had the place 6 months and its running alot better now!i get scum like him in on a weekly basis trying it on i just turn them away.. ------------- Nottingham based cab builder. https://www.facebook.com/HMAudio-154352667920145/?ref=bookmarks This account is used by 2 people. |
Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 5:36pm
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Not very helpful but. Along with never leave kit in a van, dry hire is for muppets........................ simples Though one hopes everyone gets their kit back and this kid gets his karmic comeuppance. Flaying for instance ------------- DMZ. "The bass was intense. Girls were literally running up to stand next to the subs" |
Posted By: ShokZi
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 5:58pm
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So you know who he his, where he is, and that he's robbed off you and you're waiting for police? Personal law time methinks.. if that was my stuff, boyyy.... |
Posted By: Scuzzymodo
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 6:11pm
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Posted By: lickweed
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 6:28pm
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Guys please read at least my first thread. He dosn't live there since january!! ------------- http://www.liquidsound.co.uk/ |
Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 14 November 2013 at 6:29pm
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This thread was posted here to warn others, not to encourage anyone taking matters in their own hands... We all know the right thing to do... 
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 16 November 2013 at 9:50pm
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Any progress on this yet? ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: djsam3000
Date Posted: 17 November 2013 at 12:47pm
| I had a call from Camden police station and they have arrested the individual, that is as much as I know at the moment. |
Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 17 November 2013 at 1:03pm
 great work guys !!------------- feel the vibes !!! "Who Feels it Knows it" Strong like Lion |
Posted By: ShokZi
Date Posted: 17 November 2013 at 1:17pm
| Slight digression but how/where did you get those custom faceplates? They look really nice |
Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 17 November 2013 at 1:23pm
yer maybe you could get 'if you steal this ill cut your f*ucking hands off' on them 
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 17 November 2013 at 5:56pm
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Better still are the embossed hot stamp logos,that actually press into
the plastic,almost impossible to cover up/scratch off/hide. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: swan
Date Posted: 18 November 2013 at 4:34am
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Bail him out, then dis-arm him both sides. He will never steal again. Throw the arms into the river. ------------- Music is my adiction |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 18 November 2013 at 11:01am
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yu prob not joking there swan, it that the punishment for stealing..thay would probley do that in the country yu from... ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: swan
Date Posted: 18 November 2013 at 11:19am
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That is what I would do and feed him to the crocks or throw him down a mine shaft. LOL. Things are bad on this side. They dont even hire, they come and break into your house with guns and take every thing, even the cars. Even rape the woman. Hit my neighbour across the road from me last week. Luckily they did'nt rape the woman. ------------- Music is my adiction |
Posted By: djsam3000
Date Posted: 18 November 2013 at 12:57pm
| Update: He has been bailed until late January so we have until then to build evidence for a case. Camden police are actually doing a good job. |
Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 18 November 2013 at 1:14pm
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best of luck with it all... although considering the evidence you all have it should be easy to secure conviction. Unfortunately when it comes to getting money back, it is usually assessed by the persons means, and if this person is just a min wage glass collector in a club, its likely your money is long gone [albeit i hope insurance covers this!]. ------------- ''Remember that the object of a subwoofer is to enhance the output of your main speakers, not overpower it'' ''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart'' |
Posted By: londonavc
Date Posted: 18 November 2013 at 4:59pm
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good news, hope this guy gets whats coming for him. all the best buddy |
Posted By: Mr Ed
Date Posted: 19 November 2013 at 11:11pm
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Im confused.com few years ago when I had some dry hire kit stolen the police would not get involved in any way as they said it was a civil matter I had an argument with copper at desk about it so was copper full of it and if not how come they are acting in this case damn pleased they are but it does not make sense ------------- It's Nice to be Nice ! |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 20 November 2013 at 12:34am
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There a law onto there own man, thay will pick and choose when to act on what ever thay want to act on its simple as that.....
------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 20 November 2013 at 9:59am
I'd say he was full of it. Theft is theft. It's not as if you were in a contract dispute with another company over who owed what. But IANAL so take that as you will. |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 20 November 2013 at 11:18am
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The fact that this has happened to three different forum members (and maybe more we don't know about) by the same individual,so the police have to take some notice...probually not a theft charge,more like repeatably obtaining goods by deception or fraud,which i assume is a more serious matter? ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 20 November 2013 at 11:39am
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I think the Police are being preemptive by trying to stop a manslaughter case before it starts. |
Posted By: cooky1257
Date Posted: 20 November 2013 at 6:23pm
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Now that the thieving little shit has been caught does it now mean he's no longer in the WANTED section?
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 20 November 2013 at 6:45pm
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This is more to serve as a warning to others who might be renting equipment out. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: mooreb
Date Posted: 20 November 2013 at 6:52pm
The problem is the law is always changing so what might not have been taken seriously years ago might have to be taken seriously now as it may have happened to a lot more people ------------- FB LS AUDIO SYSTEMS |
Posted By: djsam3000
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 8:50am
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My understanding, from explanation, is that because Johnathon has stolen from 5 companies, we know of so far, police are acting on it to prevent this continuing. They need to take action to show that justice will be served and also to act as a deterrent to other individuals. If it's company vs company then that may play more to a civil role, as majority of us are Ltd. companies vs this individual I believe that makes a difference. If it's individual vs individual I don't see why they wouldn't investigate.
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Posted By: cooky1257
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 9:21am
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@JBL; wanted as in 'dead or alive'-it was an attempt at humour. As for contacting Cash Converters etc, I spotted my son's stolen Boss BR *** digital recorder in one of their shops, informed the manager( they played back one of his composition stored on it which confirmed it was his) and local police and they sold it/moved it to another outlet before the cops got there...not to be trusted imo.
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Posted By: Adam_Iron_Horse
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 9:33am
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I had a mate have a trombone nicked and it went to a cash gennys (which they found withing a couple of hours of being stolen) Told the store showed them evidence of it being theres (reciept with serial or something on it) Stored refused to hand believe it got the police to come round and waited and got the trombone back After reading that ^ I feel as if they had left they probably woulda lost it! |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 11:31am
Yes,wild west etc. Re. Cash Converters and the like,how do they get away with this? Surely it's a criminal offence to handle stolen property,or attempt to dispose of/sell stolen property? Why has a case never been brought against their managers or directors? ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: brokenjoe
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 11:55am
I was told that it's because they take adequate measures to get IDs and photos of each person selling the equipment to them.. ------------- error 404 |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 11:58am
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Nope,that doesn't hold up in law,they cannot pass on "good title" on an item if they dont possess "good title" to it,if the item is stolen...no amount of liability wavers or small print mumbo-jumbo will get round it. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: mooreb
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 12:31pm
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If I saw something of mine in cash converters and they refused to give it to me after I showed them evidence then I would just take it but leave my address so they could call the police and then I would simply say they gave it back to me! ------------- FB LS AUDIO SYSTEMS |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 1:06pm
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Yup,i think you are absolutely right Lee,take your items,leave your address and walk out. Its the same with stolen cars,if a vehicle is stolen,then has its identity changed,different V5 and chassis numbers etc,it is still a stolen car,no amount of liability wavers or paperwork changes it. The vehicle remains the legal property of the original owner,or the insurance company if a claim has been settled. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: Richie T
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 11:46pm
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With cash converters (or cash generator aka crack generator here in weymouth) - If you find something is yours, then by leaving your full details and informing them you are removing whats yours you are acting lawfully. Because you have no intention of stealing. Similar to if you fill up at a fuel station and have no means of payment, by leaving your details and walking out (regardless of what they insist) it becomes a civil matter and not a criminal one. "A person commits a crime only if they have the relevant criminal state of mind at the time of committing the criminal act" |
Posted By: brokenjoe
Date Posted: 22 November 2013 at 1:58am
I was told this by the police when i found some of my kit in the local Cash Convertors.. still didn;t get my stuff back. ------------- error 404 |
Posted By: wires
Date Posted: 22 November 2013 at 2:44am
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I had some items stolen from me a few years back. I phoned around the music, CC and CG stores to ask them to keep a look out, they swore blind that they hadn't taken any items in like that recently but would contact me if they do. I caught up with who did it to me and they happily informed me where they sold them to. I turned up to the store and asked about any items, again 'no nothing has come our way' from all 3 staff members working at the time. I told them they have 1 last time to check or change their opinion as I knew that they had it via the person that sold it to them. After stating VERY loudly and firmly that they were handling stolen goods the whole store emptied lol. Magically the items appeared, but they said they would need to be reimbursed for the lose of their money buying the item or police involvement... basically I laughed took the items and told them to call the police. To this day I haven't heard anything back from them. Disgusting practice. What I don't get is the store clerks have very little to gain from performing this behaviour?! Can't imagine those companies turning round and giving them huge bonus' for protecting stolen item.
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 22 November 2013 at 8:55am
You wont. Legally CC and CG are on very thin ice here,they have no right to hold on to your equipment,if they want reimbursement for the money they paid out for your item,then they have to persue and bring a case against the person who sold it to them (ie, the thief.) ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 22 November 2013 at 12:21pm
For whom they have very accurate and well checked contact/residence details for, as a result of their stringent security checks before accepting goods, right? ------------- My laser stuff: http://www.facebook.com/SubsonicSystems" rel="nofollow - Frikkin Lasers |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 22 November 2013 at 1:14pm
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Yup,that's it Norty. As stated previously,they cannot have good title to the items,as the thief/seller who sold it to them does not have good title to pass on. Of course,the shop will argue with you,as they know they are on a loosing wicket re. recovering their money from the individual who sold it to them. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 23 November 2013 at 12:12am
They are probably terrified of losing their pooprly paid (but desperately needed) jobs if they are accused by the management of "not showing enough commitment to the company" or "not being team players". Also if they were to agree with you that the property was stolen, they might be be "failing to uphold the reputation of the employer" and of couse any such admission would leave their employers in a sticky situation if you made complaints to the authorities or went to the press / twitter / consumer TV or radio programme with the story... Welcome to modern Britain. |
Posted By: wires
Date Posted: 23 November 2013 at 3:24am
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I'm sorry madboffin but that makes no sense. If they lost their jobs because they refused to protect stolen goods then the company would be in major trouble, in no way would that be enough of an offense to do so. The clerks I dealt with went as far as lying about even having the items, not saying they couldn't confirm or deny they had them but straight up said 'no, we don't have them' when it turned out they did. Their employers are already put in a bad situation handling these things, but in now way did I blame them up to that point as how were they to know. It's how they deal with it after everything comes to light that matters. I for one couldn't in good conscious live with myself. As stated; they should recoup their lose from the person that sold it to them.
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Posted By: lickweed
Date Posted: 23 November 2013 at 12:44pm
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I will check cashconverters in london,as many as i can on monday ------------- http://www.liquidsound.co.uk/ |