Windows XP going?
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Topic: Windows XP going?
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Subject: Windows XP going?
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 2:19pm
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Hi ya i got windows xp had it for years , ive heard on the radio that windows xp is going sometime in the early months of next year i am not a pc nut and dont know a lot about them i just use them, so can some explain/guide me whats gonna happen with my pc then? what do i need to do, will i need a new operating system how much? which one? hope you can help thanks... ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
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Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 2:29pm
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XP won't stop working at your computer, but what it means is that Microsoft won't support XP anymore and there won't be anymore updates, no matter how critical, coming to it. |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 2:32pm
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Yup,XP will still work,there must be tens of millions of pc's and laptops around the world using it,but as Pasi says,Microsoft wont issue any more updates for it. Depending on the age of your machine,you may need to install a newer graphics card if you upgrade your operating system. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 2:45pm
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Cheers for repleys so there won't be anymore updates, so this means im open to attack from virus's ect? so do i need to buy a new operating system? or do i need to buy a new Tower? age of my pc is well old got too be 10year,  what will happen if i continue to use it without windows updates? sorry for all the questions , im not to clued up on this pc bizness thanks ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 3:19pm
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As long as your XP is fully up to date,as is your anti-virus,you should hopefully be ok for a while. If your pc is 10 years old,it's unlikely to be able to run Win7 or 8,but im sure some of the more qualified experts on here could advise. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: audiomik
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 6:50pm
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Older PC's/Laptops will run fully supported Linux instead of M$ XP, probably much better than the old unsupported expensive software. Just remember also that Linux is free! There are a number of Linux User Groups who are setting up 'clinics' to assist with this change and you can try 'Live' versions of Linux distributions on your PC/Laptop before installing as long as your hardware is set to boot from the CD/DVD drive or USB as first device Am looking at being involved in one of these 'clinics' locally when all of the necessary things are in place so may be able to give more info later Mik ------------- Warning! May contain Nuts plus springs, washers, screws, etc, etc. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 7:47pm
There are plenty of DELL 780 tower/desktop PCs on Gumtree, for about £100, with 8gb memory, that will allow Windows '7 to run nicely. Plenty are ex corporate with Windows 7' COA sticker, which means you just locate matching DELL OEM Windows CD for about £10 off ebay, and that's modern, new copy of Windows on your machine. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Dub Specialist Sound wrote:Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 7:49pm
I'm a UNIX/Linux developer/Support Dude, and still wouldn't recommend it to Windows boys. Linux installation is for techies, and only techies know how to fully utilize it's potential. Windows people want stable machine for running Office et al, not leading edge tech. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: hmaudio
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 8:12pm
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I prefer linux tbh its easy to install, it also installs most drivers for you aswell, there is a couple of bugs but i think it runs better then windows, the only downside is there is not as much compatability with programes games etc. ------------- Nottingham based cab builder. https://www.facebook.com/HMAudio-154352667920145/?ref=bookmarks This account is used by 2 people. |
Posted By: patryk1305
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 8:18pm
| If it's working and fits your needs why buy a new computer? Windows XP has the least bugs and is the most reliable of the windows family. All the software like your anti-virus will continue working as it did so I think there is nothing to be worried about! |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 8:37pm
Windows XP was good in it's day, but technically very inferior to Windows '7 x64. And I'm no Windows lover.  ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: patryk1305
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 9:19pm
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It all depends what you use it on and what you use it for :) But yeah VISTA FTW
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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 27 November 2013 at 11:04pm
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Thanks boys for all yu repleys, windows xp is great for me i only use it go on the internet play/burn tunes very very simple usage i dont need a high-tec pc at all, i it ent no pc wizard like i said i asked if i need to buy a new pc i dont want too i thought i have to bcus xp is going? i thought its not gonna work after thay are not suporting it anymore.. thanks ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 28 November 2013 at 8:40am
win xp is fine i use it on my laptop to run my audio to the system its rock solid and never had a problem use win 7 on the desktop they both do what i need them to do just use and enjoy  ------------- feel the vibes !!! "Who Feels it Knows it" Strong like Lion |
Posted By: soundchippy
Date Posted: 08 December 2013 at 3:56pm
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/2046839/zero-day-forever-move-away-from-windows-xp-now.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.pcworld.com/article/2046839/zero-day-forever-move-away-from-windows-xp-now.html Back up your data and move to a free Linux distro sooner rather than later. If your PC is low spec think about trying LXLE, Elementary OS, Lubuntu, Xubuntu or even Zorin OS (this one in particular is designed for easy adoption by people migrating from Windows). There are of course many others but you will likely find success with one of these. I use Elementary OS and its freakin' sweet! If you are worried about win xp apps working...loads of them (especially old xp ones) work with Wine (windows emulator). I've got MS office 2007 and Angry Birds working flawlessly on my machine. All my other apps have native Linux versions. |
Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 08 December 2013 at 5:53pm
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I routinely "Upgrade" all my machines to XP SP3 turn off the updates etc as I only run XP compatible software on any of them Win 7 does not help with the software I use I only use them for Audio I do not need fast for games as do not do them graphics are very simple requirements most systems are Dual Core running stripped down OS do not need most of the junk. My biggest issue is finding XP drivers for later machines pre-loaded with Vista which sucks So I remove it and load XP everytime I have 6 of them running here any change would be to Mac OS only |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 08 December 2013 at 6:10pm
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I'm guessing most LMS do not come with software support for Linux. Anyone got their LMS software to work on Linux in a VM, and actually work wth the Hardware ? ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 08 December 2013 at 6:24pm
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Prob is Linux as a desktop leaves you unable to run apps that most people use, I use mint a bit for kiosk stuff, but Firefox is crap, chrome is something I keep meaning to try, Linux is a great os for many reasons, but as a desktop is it is pretty much dead in the water as it simple means you have to find a workaround for everything single app. Word Excel Cubase ProTools 3dsMax AutoCAD SolidWorks Lightroom Adobe CS6 All of the above are massive standards, yeah you can find a Linux app to pretty much nearly cover most of the above, but I wanna use IE 11, AutoCad, I live by outlook Moving from XP 'nix just doesn't compute, I even run my Linux appliances under Hyper V |
Posted By: soundchippy
Date Posted: 08 December 2013 at 6:48pm
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You're right, someone with those software requirements is married to Windows. But a lot of normal people still on XP don't need any of it (well, maybe office but 2007/10 works perfectly under Wine). And you're right again that there are native options as alternatives (eg evolution or thunderbird vs outlook). Chrome is ok, Ive been using its "create application shortcut" feature to make some pseudo-webapp type links for my launcher. Firefox seems ok to me btw |
Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 08 December 2013 at 6:55pm
i use thunderbird and chrome and just use the "office" that my google account supplies and have had no probs with using it either. so in theory i could move to linux full time and not have a problem. shame the Mrs playing atol of big fish games that all require windoze  ------------- If it sounds like a gorilla is trying to escape, turn it down. |
Posted By: soundchippy
Date Posted: 08 December 2013 at 7:06pm
Try Wine. This thread might help you get a usb - rs232 cable working also... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=861644%20" rel="nofollow - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=861644 |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 12 December 2013 at 11:18am
For the first time ever, my main desktop doesn't have Windows SYSTEM partition anywhere. Slight upgrade to another box (Q6600 => i3-540 Socket 1156), with Ubuntu12.04 LTS on main disk, /tmp & /var on separate disk, & 1TB disk for data files on NTFS, purely as it's from old windows setup. I use FF, Chromium, Srware Iron for browsing, Libre office, Thunderbird for mail. At work the same except Googledocs for all workdocs, and Gmail for corp emailing. At home, to clone my mail setup to another Linux box, I just copy ~/.thunderbird directory to new box.. Perfect.
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Posted By: audiomik
Date Posted: 12 December 2013 at 11:45am
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Lev trust that you are aware of the Ubuntu 'spyware' and 'Ad placement' things - for want of a better description! example link of very many: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130725064624AAANN0X Ubuntu is now not highly rated in LUG circles as it was before, as a result of this..... Mik ------------- Warning! May contain Nuts plus springs, washers, screws, etc, etc. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 12 December 2013 at 11:58am
Yeah I know, but it's rock solid on right hardware, and any Linux app worth having is always on Ubuntu. So easier to install it, and remove the "spyish" ware.. E.g., Unity/dash config setting to stop search parameters being sent to net.. When Linux FF is properly multithreaded, won't need any of the "Chromites", But Ironware looks good, so far. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: audiomik
Date Posted: 12 December 2013 at 12:29pm
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Re: "any Linux app worth having is always on Ubuntu." not too sure that this will continue, there have been numbers of coders leaving the Ubuntu project since the 'spyware' deal happened...... Thing is that Debian packages generally worked in Ubuntu, but this is now diverging. We will have to see, but the Suse/Microsoft deal a few years ago is a good indicator I think. Apology for going a bit off topic; but if changing to a Linux distribution instead of M$ XP, then it is sort of relevant in choosing a suitable distribution Mik ------------- Warning! May contain Nuts plus springs, washers, screws, etc, etc. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 12 December 2013 at 12:32pm
Guess we should fire up a "Linux distro" , topic. But for many technically enabled, "Non hardcore gamer" types, Linux is perfect replacement for XP. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 11:32am
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Anyone notice an improvement with their 'damaged' systems overnight? I checked my machine this morning and MsMpEng was hammering away, and had been all night - and my machine appears at first glance to have been cured. Before I turn to religion and claim it's a miracle, I would rather believe that MS released an emergency update overnight to fix the problems that had beset so many peoples' machines after the Tuesday patch. ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 12:33pm
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for myself a PC/Computer is a tool. I do not make my own Spanners/Screwdrivers etc so having to do too much to them is not my idea of utilising a "tool" same as I do not make or adapt my Micrometers. I do Electronic Eng but no very little of Software so Linux does not work for me and do not wish to learn either that is what PC Techs are for XP once it works is fine sod the updates if it bums out just scratch it Zap it start again anything crucial is on bakups so do not care |
Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 4:13pm
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...you say that but if your "tool" wasnt made well in the 1st place the least the manufacturer sould do is give you the "updated" version of said tool... as you paid for it to be fully working in the 1st place! either way pc/laptops are "cheap".... if its broke, buy a new one. ------------- If it sounds like a gorilla is trying to escape, turn it down. |
Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 5:26pm
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I have never bought a Desktop always "Build" them all you need is a Screwdriver. I buy Laptops, sometimes "Bare bones" But as for OS just latest SP no more updates. I have no idea if I do the right thing here but I get no issues I can detect. |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 9:43pm
I'd use Mint, unless you have serious reason not to, it is the goto Linux Desktop... |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 11:22pm
Used to think that, till I started at my current work place... MiNT is just Ubuntu with different boxers and suit. My ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: soundchippy
Date Posted: 21 December 2013 at 12:52am
Why?
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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 21 December 2013 at 12:53am
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If you have no clue about Linux and just want it to work, Mint is a great option. IMHO the moment you use X Linux is useless and you should use windows, but my computing needs are a lot more defined than most. But for a very functional, zero grief install Mint rocks... |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 21 December 2013 at 12:57am
Because is it in mentality well supported and very functional, the "windows" like skinned on X makes the transition from a windows box child's play and it has Office and few goodies embedded in the build. To my mind Linux is shell, the moment you use a GUI you have missed the point, X is never gonna be skinned as well as Win7 but does work. In the context of this thread, Mint is a VERY good option. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 2:35pm
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With this XP not being suported anymore, can anyone tell help will happen? got a wireless router that used for a i-pad (miss'is) and my sons x-box too , will it effect these units, sorry to keep repeeting my-self too know too much about computor stuff... thanks... ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 2:58pm
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it will all still work just no new updates.. bothers me little I only ever service pack and leave it at that usually |
Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 4:09pm
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I like Mint and Elementary OS. I prefer both to Windows. The latter being the one I recommend to Mac users as the gui is quite similar. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 09 April 2014 at 11:27pm
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So the 8th is here so no XP updates from now, am i gonna get flooded with virus from now? havent got the money to buy a new pc tower, dont know what else to do really
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Posted By: nuclearbass
Date Posted: 09 April 2014 at 11:50pm
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Be a member of the the Goverment, there paying 5.5 million per year to keep there XP alive serviced and upto date with updates. (According to radio anyway) ------------- one life - have fun! Force fusion pro audio |
Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 12:02am
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Lots of decent Linux distro's that will work on older pc's. If you don't need Hornresp, WinISD, autocad, sketchup, etc. that is. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 12:24am
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Thanks all bass, yeah neclear belive it too cant put nothing passed the kleptocratic GOVERN-ment ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 12:28am
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Were you supposed to Update XP??? joking aside, if you kit works and you have a decent AV program (Norton IS for instance, no freeware poverty crap) you are prob good for a few years on XP. I now have to run W8 (in virtual on my W7 box I hasten to add) as HV 2012 does talk well to W7, MS have failed horribly in the tablet market, their phones are Nokia (heaviest insult I can think for a phone, Nokia) they need to look after their core market and IMHO, Visat never happened so bin support for that and extend XP for another few years, SP4 is WELL overdue, Nt 4.0 (down my last NT box 3 years ago with 5 years up-time on it!!!) NT made SP 6 so IMO should Xp! |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 12:42am
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Thanks shag... ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 7:30am
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Hmm, I had a Windows automatic update last last - thought it was the last XP update to sort out any problems left outstanding with the old girl, but may be mistaken. I shall check back through the logs and report back. ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 7:47am
..and given that the Dutch government have a similar 'multi million Euro deal' with Microsoft, I would have thought upwards of £8 million would have bought a fair slice of support that everyone in these two countries could share. The cost to individuals and businesses in the two countries of dealing with problems with old XP systems, if or when they happen, would justify it as a worthwhile use of Government money. (but what's the betting this hasn't been factored in to the payments as part of the deal - by our Government, at least) ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 12:56pm
Strange just had 4 security updates today and is the 10th,  maybe the last updates were are getting? ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 1:05pm
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bit of a shame tbh my desk top is running windows 7 [eurgh!!!!!] and my laptop is running vista..... both my machines have 2gb+ram and dual core processors but are slow as hell my g/f as an old laptop with xp 256mb of ram and a single core celleron ..... neither of my macines get used because to put it bluntly they are so slow they are unusable any one else noticed this? litteraly i cant even run a web browser on the wind7 machine it cant even keep up with my typing its rediculous :-/ deffo going to be going back to xp asap ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: soundchippy
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 10:24pm
| a friend of mine works for a defence contractor who are also retaining xp. he tells me it would cost a fortune (literally) to replace their infrastructure. |
Posted By: soundchippy
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 10:26pm
| as an aside, my personal opinion of windows versions is that 7 is the best of the bunch so far. |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 13 April 2014 at 2:14pm
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It has just been announced that the IRS in the States isalso paying millions of dollars for support of XP. I can't believe that all of this money (ours!) is paying for the dozens, if not hundreds, of XP support staff at Microsoft and no-one outside this increasing large group of users is reaping any benefit - this is especially galling since so many since flaws affecting all XP (and other) users are still being found (and should have been found years ago). ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 13 April 2014 at 2:24pm
Even my phone, graphics card has > 2gb ram.. You could prob buy used Dell desktop with 4gb ram (DDR3), Core2Duo 2.8ghz cpu for cheap these days. Including Windows 7 COA license. Those machines run Windows 7, Office, & browser very nicely... Even better if you upgrade hard disk for £50 to fairly nippy 1TB + 8mb cache SATA III. So why people wish to inflict unnecessary pain on themselves, by still struggling with XP in the 21st century, I don't know..  ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 13 April 2014 at 2:30pm
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If you buy a car no manifacturer offers free warranty and maintenance for 13 years. On the other hand, why would anyone still want a system thats based on a almost 20 year old architecture. The government is now paying for Microsoft to maintain their old bangers until they can afford replacement. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 13 April 2014 at 2:43pm
Good money after bad. Being an IT dude, I learned years ago, don't put yourself through more tech pains, than you have to. Someone asks me about probs with XP, I tell them bin comp, and get used, ex corporate Windows '7 PC. End of. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 13 April 2014 at 11:19pm
Some offer lifetime guarantees/warranties these days :p |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 14 April 2014 at 8:34am
Lev, I came from a corporate It background and to be honest, apart from gamers, I can't think of many people who would even need , let alone utilise a machine, specced as highly as many of the plethora of cheap machines currently available on the market today. Even as a so-called 'power user' back in the days the main areas of concern to many like-minded users were stability, disk & memory size - the operating system rarely came into the equationv except in two main areas. One, was the amount of memory, disk space etc it could deal with (more importantly this area was further limited by cost factors) and how quickly the machine could boot up. The latter was not helped by the increasing demands placed on the other components by the newer operating systems - TBH, it is only with the introduction of SSDs, for those that can afford them, that the boot up process has become acceptably fast. How many times have you encountered some seemingly minor problem which took hours to deal with simply because the process to deal with it required identification (usually by trial and error or a process of elimination) that necessitated a re-boot every time a new option was tried, and each of these re-boots took four or five minutes, otr even longer? All th eother improvements are great - it's lovely to have terrabytes of storage but how often and how quickly can you back it up, and it's great to have 8 or 16Gb or RAM but how many people use a fraction of this available resource in everyday use? Graphics cards have seen amazing improvements in speed etc, but how often are you going to watch a full HD/1080p movie - must of the stuff currently available to download (legally, that is) is limited to 720p/i and unless you have fibre broadband or the equivalent you are severely limited by download time restraints. Overall, then, this is not a case for being a Luddite, rather more of a case of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Sure the new OSs do add extra functionality and better user interfaces and the chance to make more resurces available to the system but if you are a normal end user you should be able to have the option to stick with an OS that meets your everyday needs but still have the seecurity blanket of this software actually being supported and twaeked as necessary to ensure stability and security are maintained. Remember, these bugs that are now surfacing were present when XP was released and Microsoft should have a duty of care to their end users - if a car manufacturer discovered a potentaially life endangering fault that only presented itself after the production run was ended and after the car had done more than 100,000 miles do you think that they would simply say ' throw the car away and buy our new model'. Absolutely not - the reasons being that people expect their cars to do more than 100,00 miles nowadays and the fact that anyone injured in an accident resulting from a failure of a key component would sue the a*s* of the manufacturer. ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: Dr Wobble
Date Posted: 14 April 2014 at 8:51am
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XP does the job for me.I agree, " If it aint broke........." I run Protools 7.3 on it, which is about the only taxing software I run. Apart from that,I use the PC for bonging about in internet land,mostly Tech type forums. TBH I cant be arsed to re-install a new OS,thats if I had the cash in the first place Secondly,Bill Gates has enough cash anyway,b*gg*red if I,m giving him anymore. So far I,ve had no nasty infections after XP support stopped. I think its 2000/Millenium all over again; most folk are daft sheep running around like headless chickens-to mix metafors. I,ll use Linux for the Interweb if I have any gyp and keep XP for my "Studio" PC. Andy. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 14 April 2014 at 9:10am
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The Argument about not giving Bill Gate$ any more cash is a moot point here, as I keep saying, you can buy ex corp PC's with Windows 7 license included. Windows 7 x64 is better than XP end of. I was sick of XP crashing, when running games 10 years ago, so really can't see any argument for still running it. I'm not suggesting buying latest Hardware to run '7, bang per buck is my game, and if you can cheaply buy your way out of headache, well... ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 14 April 2014 at 9:42am
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Do people with iMacs have these issues, I see mine as a thing of beauty and a machine that seems to run very simply. I am not an Industrial user and like most people only use a small part of the machines capacity. I also have PC laptops for various things, but I never see people talking about issues with Macs like they do PC's. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 14 April 2014 at 11:42am
Macs these days are basically PCs under the hood, however Apple had the intelligence to base their intial operating system on something UNIX like, and start off with Motorola CPUs, years ago. Those 2x decisions, enabled their offerings to progress uniformly with technology, as opposed to Microsoft approach, of OS being bogged down by limited CPUs from Intel, and placing downwards compatibility before advancement. However as Intel CPU technology & bang per buck, has left Motorola behind, clever Apple techs switched to them, running elegant OS on best CPUs. Result, none of Windows foibles, be it at cost of weaker software base. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 14 April 2014 at 11:57am
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Not infalible though...my pal's desktop iMac thing died completely a few months ago,(it was 3 years old) would not power up...took it to apple store....paid for their diagnosis check thing..power supply they said,they would fit new one...left it with them for 4 days...picked it up..brought home...still dead...back to store....another week..."sorry we cant fix it". In their favour,they did offer to take his dead one in part-ex for a new machine,but i was suprised it failed so totally. ------------- Be seeing you. |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 14 April 2014 at 5:39pm
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Apple offer amazing service, the dead iMac is a real shock, they normally mend anything for you, quickly, they used to be rock solid stable (G5 on Motorola) once they went intel they became just as unstable as PCs. Hence studio's haeld on to Moto based G5s for grim death and ProTools had to be ported to PC (previously the full blown one was OsX only) Macs are now slower and more unstable than windows. Whilst the better hardware abstraction inherent to OsX' roots means it is hard to pull the kernel down (but in real terms I have never seen a W7 x64 BSOD that wasn't hardware related) you won't find a Mac user on the planet that doesn't know how to get to the "force Quit" menu for when the thing locks up! Performance wise, take one fully loaded iMac, (i7, 32Gb 1TB SSD) bootcamp, process a 20min video clip in After FX CC, under OsX, 38mins, not bad! W7 x64 on same box, 23mins, oh dear!!!! Apple dominate the mobile market because nothing can touch the build quality and service, they have a massive hold in the laptop market for the same reason ( I have several people running W7 on MBPs, great laptops, pity they binned the rj45 in favour of a stupid dongle!) but I kill OsX, W7 straight in, no bootcamp... Pity they have exited the performance market, I high proportion of Mac Pro users would have liked a 3U rackmount machine with space for full sized cards and dual PSUs, Mac gave them a small dustbin with no card space and no GPU choice, the pro video community then bashed down HP's door for workstations... Helped by Final Cut X being crap to boot, dual high-end Xeons, hotswap 2.5" SSDs for data, multiple GPUs for Cuda processing, FibreChannel, SDI boards, all for similar cash to the dustbin! Basically, to get back on topic, XP was great, but things have moved on, much as I wouldn't have a dell in my house, Lev makes a valid point, £400 pc for £225 with a free (legal, hassle free) copy of W7, what's not to love? Banks, Goverments, etc don't really run XP, they run systems based on XP and if they have spent £sss scripting, locking down and deploying, if it still works, why not keep it. Most of these systems don't have free internet access, could be running IE 6.0 for an intranet, not the free-for-all a home PC is... As I have said before, Linux rocks until you run X, the moment you have X up, you have a workstation that can't run commercial software, I need to run DCX remote, X32 remote, BSS Soundweb software ETC so Linux is never going to be a desktop envroment to me, I use linus as a backend to a lot of things, but forget losing Autodesk, MS Office, Cubase etc... If you have a working XP machine, I would back-it-up (like you should at least once a week!) and carry on with it! |
Posted By: Panoramix
Date Posted: 15 April 2014 at 5:32pm
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there is a few lighter version of windows 7, but as said you can still use window xp, i use it myself on a few pc(less attack than with 7 though ). |
Posted By: bitSmasher
Date Posted: 15 April 2014 at 11:48pm
apt that I saw this last night, train ticket machine that runs on XP... it had crashed and was showing just the desktop so my girlfriend decided to get creative using the touch screen: |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 28 April 2014 at 12:14pm
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For the people who say XP is best, and needs no security packages. Microsoft has warned consumers that a vulnerability in its Internet Explorer browser could let hackers gain access and user rights to their computer. The flaw affects Internet Explorer (IE) versions 6 to 11 and Microsoft said it was aware of "limited, targeted attacks" to exploit it. "XP impact However, the issue may be of special concern to people still using the Windows XP operating system. That is because Microsoft ended official support for that system earlier this month. It means there will be no more official security updates and bug fixes for XP from the firm" Enjoy... ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 28 April 2014 at 12:40pm
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Well if people still use IE for personal use they deserve it all anyway... Bit harsh perhaps but hey-ho. IE has improved a little over the years (more like the competition forced it too) but is still far too integrated with the OS for my liking. E.g. you can't just uninstall it like a regular program, it's actually a component of the OS and must be uninstalled piece by piece via the patch list. Yuck. This is a pretty massive marketing opportunity for Mozilla/Google to push their browsers... |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 28 April 2014 at 1:21pm
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All my friends and family are now on Windows 7/8 but one friend has just swapped over to UBUNTU quite painlessly (he is a professional techie, though) over the weekend and he is waiting to see if his wife notices that this has happened. I may follow the same path but as I have a full MS Office Professional suite (2003 - old, but still good enough for me) I cannot make up my mind if it is worth the bother. Apparently the office suite etc for UBUNTU is very similar to Open Office which I had loaded onto all my family's machines until wifey bought a 3 user MS Office license 'cos she couldn't work with OpenOffice (too many little things to learn). I had always planned to migrate to a 'free' platform - Chrome/Avast/Malawarebytes + Open Office but will probably stay as I am until my current machine dies completely and the new machine can be fully Open Source. ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 28 April 2014 at 1:56pm
I moved main desktop over to UBUNTU approx 8x months ago. I'm not a gamer, so don't miss much from Windows. Laptop already dual boots Win 7/UBUNTU. Only have Windows 7 on laptop, due to Samsung crappy Kies software needed to backup/update phones. Just bought I7-860 for my main desktop (which is old ), so should run Win 7 in VM & Office 2007 nicely.------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 28 April 2014 at 4:28pm
| yeah tried installing kies in wine... didn't happen. it's an incredibly bad bit of software that. i don't use a samsung phone anymore though so hopefully never have to look at it again. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 28 April 2014 at 5:54pm
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I heard if people are still using XP that you are a bit safer using Goggle chrome rather than Internet explorer... radio i listen too at night about computer stuff ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 28 April 2014 at 7:23pm
Chrome is far better and a lot safer. Unfortunately, I am now loading mine up with additional extensions and themes and other stuff so it may end up being like my Firefox which became slower and slower due to the number of add-ons it was carrying. There are some good add-ons to Chrome - I have just found Video Downloader Ultimate which not only downloads videos in any of the available defs and formats but converts them at the same time and LastPass a password store (amongst other things) which is great 'cos you aren't keeping passwords on your PC/laptop but encrypted on a server so you can access them on whatever device you are using anywhere there is network access. ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 29 April 2014 at 3:44am
problem is i find win 7 so ard to use [and annoyingly constantly crases doesnt run anyting type niggles] we just got a brand new laptop with 4 gb ram dual core processor etc unfortunately win8 and a touch screen..... the old acer i borrowed of my girlfriend [with its monster 256mb of ram] is so much quicker and doesnt miss a beat lol my personal laptop is a vista macine with 4 gb of ram..... slow as hell and a nightmare to use .... i still prefer xp i cant see wat te supposed benefits of using win7/8 is so far all ive noticed is tey realy do my ead in and te new lappy wit its damn touch screen litteraly gives me a eadache [to be fair touc screen fones i cant use wit both eyes as i see two fones litteraly painful] and yep so far taken me over 20 minutes to write tis reply wtf is tat all about? and to clarify te old lappy i borrowed is still better tan te new one my flat mate just spent over a grand on wtf? ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 29 April 2014 at 5:07pm
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I agree my man dont like touch screen at all, does my head in too havent got any but used one a few times errrhh i dont like change really, prefer my old pc with mouse keyboard & scanner ect which i still use..still using xp at the mo so dont know what gonna happen in the near future... ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: Sinai Sound
Date Posted: 29 April 2014 at 5:48pm
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A touch screen on a normal desktop, is pointless if you ask me Reason being is that a mouse and keyboard offers far more control than a finger
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Posted By: audiomik
Date Posted: 02 May 2014 at 12:42pm
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Anyway, seems that Micro$oft have relented just a little bit and issued a patch for Internet Explorer on XP! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/01/internet_explorer_patch/" rel="nofollow - More here from this link to The Register: Microsoft: You know how we said NO MORE XP PATCHES? .......... Mik ------------- Warning! May contain Nuts plus springs, washers, screws, etc, etc. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 03 May 2014 at 12:14am
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as you mentioned that audio, had my update today! ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 11 September 2014 at 11:05pm
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Wats going on still? had an 1x update tonight click to install, i dont understand anyone still using XP like me still and had this? thanks...
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Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 11 September 2014 at 11:13pm
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Was it a Windows update or a Microsoft update? Could have been for Office or even a driver one (they shouldn't do that IMHO). Could also have been a missed one as a fresh install of XP still gets the full update treatment of all available. Been stockpiling old Dells ready for the fall out. Three garage exhaust gas analyzers and two pub tills sorted so far  Printers will soon be the problem.------------- It just is. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 11 September 2014 at 11:46pm
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It was a Windows update bro... ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 12 September 2014 at 8:01am
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Come to think of it, I saw malicious software removal tool update on an XP box last week ------------- It just is. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 12 September 2014 at 10:33am
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Oh dear! hope its not one, it installed it anyone automatically when i shut down my pc.....hope it all good thanks for the repleys... ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 12 September 2014 at 2:10pm
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Malicious Software Removal Tool is a legit update http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830 ------------- It just is. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 12 September 2014 at 6:20pm
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oh dear looks like my pc will be doomed now..lol ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 12 September 2014 at 6:52pm
| not sure you're reading this carefully dub specialist.. it's a good update to get! not a piece of malicious software.. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 30 January 2016 at 12:23am
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So being using xp seen it stop giving updates..all fine still tbh...... also recieved today on my laptop , saying now Vista now is now no longer updates soon ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 30 January 2016 at 12:48am
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In real terms, windows updates cost me more trouble than they solve. I never did the Vista thing, so I don'tr know about hat, but if you have a decent AV package (like Norton Internet Security, NOT a free one) which updates your machine will run fine as long as it is physically working. If you have to upgrade W10 is a real option, W8.x was not an option in anyway, but if you machine does what you need it to do, I wouldn't panic about updates, i still Have NT 4.0 WRKS boxes up on some sites, that went EOL ages ago, but they still work....
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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 30 January 2016 at 6:10pm
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Thanks shag for the info bro nice one top man ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: Andylaser
Date Posted: 23 March 2016 at 9:12am
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We are still selling industrial systems running 32bit XP. Its what the customer wants and they will be reliable. They will never see the internet, so everything should be fine. ------------- "music so loud, that if we move in next door to you; your lawn will die" - Lemmy |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 23 March 2016 at 1:59pm
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wow cool im still running mine without any problems still mm i dont belive everthing tha say sometimes...:-) ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 23 March 2016 at 4:58pm
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It's all on the user really. Give someone who knows what they are doing an XP install on the net and barring a 0 day OS exploit which can spread in a worm-like fashion they will likely be 100% fine months down the line. Give an idiot an up to date modern OS and their machine will likely be riddled with malware and bloatware by the same time because they just don't know how to secure it and what they should not be clicking on when online. |
Posted By: amlu
Date Posted: 24 March 2016 at 1:47pm
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set up a copy yesterday on a second hard drive. its just of running sketchup and nokia ovi suite for backing up my phone. two things i never managed to get on lubuntu linux install im happily using since xp got killed off. backed up the 4gb partition with partimage, its ready for 20 minutes restore in case something gots messed up. |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 30 March 2016 at 11:18am
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A few weeks ago, I started getting reminders from Google informing me that 'This computer will soon stop receiving Google Chrome updates because Windows XP and Windows Vista will no longer be supported.' Ever since then my (very old) machine has been having problems which manifest themselves with high memory usage. With nothing running my memory usage is about 40-45% but as soon as Chrome kicks in this goes up to 85% or more and increases with every new Chrome tab opened until the machine grinds to a stop and quite often dies. I have tried pretty much everything in my knowledge to find out the root cause of the problem (including running all the various analytical/performance software in my possession and stripping the machine down to individual components and rebuilding it - poor contacts on memory cards can cause similar problems) but after a few weeks of trying have given up and have bitten the bullet and bought a brand new machine with Win10 pre-installed. Does anyone have any suggestions as to to what the problem could be as I would like to keep the machine as a spare but if it's FUBARed I won't bother? EDIT: I have now tracked down the cause of the problem and it's nothing to do with Chrome being unsupported. I was cleaning under my (our shared) desk to make room for my new PC that's arriving tomorrow and I found the ethernet cable connecting my PC to the router was badly damaged, probably with a canine root(er) cause. Looks like one of my pooches had been 'innocently' chewing on said cable whilst bored waiting for his morning tummy tickle (we know it's you, Riley, so be careful!) and the machine was trying to compensate for the damage by constantly polling the router when lost packets were spotted. Replaced cable, disabled/enabled network connection and hey Presto, machine working again!
If you see the culprit please keep him away from your cables - he is dangerous:  ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 30 March 2016 at 8:32pm
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Had bad performance issues with large writes to the hdd from SVCHOST(netsvcs) when fully disabling XP updates service (as no more) on many machines. CHKDSK /f fixes it ------------- It's everything, not everythink! |