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Topic: SHOW US WHAT YOUR MINI SUB RIG CAN DO
Posted By: Motion54
Subject: SHOW US WHAT YOUR MINI SUB RIG CAN DO
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 8:11am
We are looking for a sound or PA rig owner with cabs that are of the mini variety, be it a scoop or some other design.

This is an invitation for you to enter your sound/rig into our monthly event (Soundoff), where other mini cabs designed will be compared.

If you have a design you belief can wipe the floor with any other then even better.

Tony A.S.S has agreed to enter his rig with his RX18jnr scoops.

If this interests you then please inbox me or call 07932998546 for more info.



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Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 8:40am
Jeez,  you guys got a totally different idea of what is "mini" to me, now the Q12 that's "mini"  Smile

Mini scoop is a misnomer, it should actually be a " slightly smaller version of the BIG scoops"  Big smile

Tony



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Posted By: Meat
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 8:50am
If you can fit your mini in a mini then its a mini.


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Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 8:51am
Originally posted by Tony Wilkes Tony Wilkes wrote:

Jeez,  you guys got a totally different idea of what is "mini" to me, now the Q12 that's "mini"  Smile

Mini scoop is a misnomer, it should actually be a " slightly smaller version of the BIG scoops"  Big smile

Tony


What is this war talk Tony?

Are you saying that you are the real mini-sound soundman? That your Q12's will destroy all other mini sounds, owned by mini-sound soundbwoys, in the mini sound soundoff...

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Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 8:55am
^^^^

Tony's well known for his brazen war talk!


Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 8:55am
Originally posted by Tony Wilkes Tony Wilkes wrote:

Jeez,  you guys got a totally different idea of what is "mini" to me, now the Q12 that's "mini"  Smile

Mini scoop is a misnomer, it should actually be a " slightly smaller version of the BIG scoops"  Big smile

Tony



It's just a term coined for smaller versions of a full size scoop.
Some call them midi scoop but mini scoops to me sounds better.


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 8:56am
Tony, you must be talking about a mini mini scoop. you have to get the terminology right my good man.

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Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 9:00am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Tony, you must be talking about a mini mini scoop. you have to get the terminology right my good man.


Tony, the only scoops I know anything about is what you use to fetch ice-cream out of the tub.

Just having some fun guys, calm-down calm-down  Big smile

Tony


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Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 9:01am
Originally posted by Motion54 Motion54 wrote:


It's just a term coined for smaller versions of a full size scoop.
Some call them midi scoop but mini scoops to me sounds better.

When i was a kid i once got a mini scoop at the ice salon. I have to say it's just no match to a full size scoop, not enough body, to small for my licking.

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 9:03am
Me too or an important news flash. It has always amused me to think why the cab got the name in the first place.

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Posted By: Plaguesguitarist
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 12:48pm
Mini Scoop?




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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 2:24pm
nothing mini about the the mini ASS scoop...rather beastlyBig smile

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Posted By: dlyxover
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 2:55pm
one of these?

http://https://vine.co/v/hPieTe7unOg?utm_content=bufferc1925&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer" rel="nofollow - http://https://vine.co/v/hPieTe7unOg?utm_content=bufferc1925&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

LOL


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Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 6:04pm
I'd like to put my baby 12" subs up against something of a similar size just to see how they compare. They measure 45x45x60.

I've not come across many small 12" subs, their either plastic and lightweight or design for home cinema so drop stupid low but not very loud. I've never really pushed them but every one who has heard them, loves them.


Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 7:38pm
I would also be interested, when are we thinking?

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Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 7:54pm
January


Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 7:58pm
Good!

Defo interested, keep me posted!

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Posted By: ReubGold
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 8:11pm
Originally posted by Tony Wilkes Tony Wilkes wrote:

Jeez,  you guys got a totally different idea of what is "mini" to me, now the Q12 that's "mini"  Smile

Mini scoop is a misnomer, it should actually be a " slightly smaller version of the BIG scoops"  Big smile

Tony



well people here always say mini scoop is just a reflex box so maybe someone should bring some reflex boxes to punish the silly mini scoops. LOL


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Posted By: bitSmasher
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 8:52pm
mini sub...marine...



at least the stingray is smiling at that pun Embarrassed


Posted By: Sinfinity
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 9:41pm
I could bring some mini reflex boxes if the dates work out ok, sounds like it could be fun Smile

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Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 05 December 2013 at 10:36pm
Would be great to see you there Matt, you too Tony, it's been a while

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Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 8:43am
Might bring the Q series boxes along and the new amps for folks to see :)

Tony


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Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 9:20am
Originally posted by Motion54 Motion54 wrote:

We are looking for a sound or PA rig owner with cabs that are of the mini variety, be it a scoop or some other design.

This is an invitation for you to enter your sound/rig into our monthly event (Soundoff), where other mini cabs designed will be compared.

If you have a design you belief can wipe the floor with any other then even better.

Tony A.S.S has agreed to enter his rig with his RX18jnr scoops.

If this interests you then please inbox me or call 07932998546 for more info.


Just to remind all who seem to be making plans to come down, there are a few conditions. As the original post states, contact me for more info!!!!!


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 8:19pm
Originally posted by Motion54 Motion54 wrote:


Just to remind all who seem to be making plans to come down, there are a few conditions. As the original post states, contact me for more info!!!!!


Wonder how many will still be interested, when told they can't play pop or country & western. LOL


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Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 8:33pm
I'm quite happy playing ANYTHING. I know my subs won't match mini scoops for output, but I'm confident in the quality department.

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by csg csg wrote:

I'm quite happy playing ANYTHING. I know my subs won't match mini scoops for output, but I'm confident in the quality department.
What do you have in mind? those cube subs you built?


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by csg csg wrote:

I'm quite happy playing ANYTHING. I know my subs won't match mini scoops for output, but I'm confident in the quality department.


Gotta respect that point of view. Clap


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Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Originally posted by csg csg wrote:

I'm quite happy playing ANYTHING. I know my subs won't match mini scoops for output, but I'm confident in the quality department.
What do you have in mind? those cube subs you built?


Yes, single 18" reflex. Just a question of how many I am allowed to bring...

My twin 8+ 1" tops too, so there pretty tiny

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 10:44pm
So let me get this right, above bass is a standard system and all bass must be 'mini'?

Reason being Tony ASS rig has mini scoops but above is not what I would call mini

bit confusing at the moment


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 10:44pm
CSG, i use the BMS components in most of my boxes, but i have never made a subwoofer using any of their 18 inch drivers.
This is mainly because in any simulation i have done they had at least 3db less output aginst pretty much any other decent 18 inch driver.
Now my question for is. Are the sensitivity numbers on the BMS big boys somehow rated very conservatively so the results are not that good, or they are really a bot low on output?
Have you compared your subs with some other comparable subs with some of the known suspects like the TBX100?


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Posted By: tomr_29
Date Posted: 06 December 2013 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

 "Are the sensitivity numbers on the BMS big boys somehow rated very conservatively"

Turned around you could also ask if the sensitivity measurements given by a lot of manufacturers are a little optimistic... A bit like the values given for xmax.

I'd be very interested to hear some of the smaller subs compared as I regularly use a pair of Q15s for smaller gigs. I also have a dual 18" design I've been working on which is based on Tony W's work with his Q-series (in that it uses assisted alignment). They will be using the BMS 18S450. I'd be happy to bring one along to a test-out sometime in the new year once they're built. Not sure whether they qualify as 'small' though; 1000H x 638W x 700D for 2 x 18"


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Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 07 December 2013 at 12:12am
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

CSG, i use the BMS components in most of my boxes, but i have never made a subwoofer using any of their 18 inch drivers.
This is mainly because in any simulation i have done they had at least 3db less output aginst pretty much any other decent 18 inch driver.
Now my question for is. Are the sensitivity numbers on the BMS big boys somehow rated very conservatively so the results are not that good, or they are really a bot low on output?
Have you compared your subs with some other comparable subs with some of the known suspects like the TBX100?


When I was designing those subs, my prime considerations were sound quality, perceived throw ( there get used a lot outdoors at large events and musicality. One of my pet hates is one note droney bass.

I auditioned various drivers, but for me the 18S430v2 had the best balance of factors.i am quite sure there are higher output options, but rinsing every last DB from a rig is not what I am about, and I have the luxuries of having plenty of power in my racks, plenty of subs when needed and working In venues that have effectively unlimited power for my needs. My Christmas install for instance has 0.8MW of gen plant for instance.

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Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 07 December 2013 at 7:50am
Originally posted by csg csg wrote:

I'm quite happy playing ANYTHING. I know my subs won't match mini scoops for output, but I'm confident in the quality department.


Exactly my thoughts as well although I have to say that I hope that the source material is better recorded than a lot of the stuff I have heard over the last few years, of any genre.

By the way Ray you sure you don't have a secret passion for C&W as your the only one that ever mentions it on SP. :)

Tony

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Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 07 December 2013 at 2:57pm
My 12" loves this

http://youtu.be/I1gewNVv1UY


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 08 December 2013 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by Tony Wilkes Tony Wilkes wrote:



By the way Ray you sure you don't have a secret passion for C&W as your the only one that ever mentions it on SP. :)

Tony


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Originally posted by Rog Rog wrote:

 
I don't think people realise what and how systems like Irration play there bass. Lets just say its not country and western to 20 people on a sunday afternoon like most PA rental compaines have to do most of the time.


That's where I got it from...   LOL


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Posted By: PauliePaul
Date Posted: 08 December 2013 at 4:06pm

Originally posted by Meat Meat wrote:

If you can fit your mini in a mini then its a mini.

I once got an 18U flightcase in my 1275GT (it had a one of those Webasto slideback sunroof thingys).

Slightly off topic, but still trivial enough to mention...




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