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Topic: XP running slow?
Posted By: jbl_man
Subject: XP running slow?
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 11:50am
If anyone else is experiencing this,really slow response to commands etc,freezing up....its caused by the svchost running at 100% CPU,(or 50% on a dual-core) slowing everything up....to cure it,you need to install the latest update files from microsoft,but......however,trying to open windows update page just freezes it solid again,after about 6 attempts,and by switching the update time a few times,it will finally connect,and after downloading and installing about 15 update files,problem is cured.

I have done it on 4 different machines yesterday,so if anyone else has the problem,that's what to do.

http://update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us" rel="nofollow - http://update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us




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Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 1:15pm
Maybe Microsoft trying to encourage you to move on to a newer version of their product...

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Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 1:33pm
xp slow ??  runs like a rocket never had a glitch , freeze blue screen or anything it use it on my laptop that plays out never once had an issue Smile


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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 1:36pm
hit windows+r, type msconfig and hit enter, then disable everything in your startup, see if that helps (you'll need to reboot to see if it worked)


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 3:35pm
XP dam right mine is terrible slow to upload pages and freeze's ect cant run a few tabs at the same time, takes ages to get going on e-bay for instance ,that blue circle thing keeps spinning for ages very anyoing

my pc is really old tbh tho

all bass might be right there 


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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 3:52pm
mine used to do that years ago when i ran XP, had to reinstall windows every time....

glad they finally found a fix for it!



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Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 3:54pm
If the pc is old and just used for internet browsing and some office work, install Linux as it uses much less recources. That might help speed things up a bit.
Any of the bigger distros like Ubuntu etc. should be user friendly and easy to use.

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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 4:10pm
Cheers for that all bass, 

and yes only for internet browsing , burning music very basic usage really.

Thanks...


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Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 4:18pm
wifeys pc... quad-core 2GB ram 120GB SSD. WINXP.... runs like a dream...and with a boot up that rivals newer pc's!

havent run updates since 06/12 never had one problem. NEVER.




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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 5:37pm
Just had to remove AVG (2014 Free) - started causing major problems on my XP-driven system after the latest Microsoft security update on Tuesday. Initially thought I might have a Rootkit infection - but several scans (using various antivirus software)  AVG (AVGWDSVC.EXE) started eating into my CPU utilisation, I started having BSODs and eventually had to reboot in safe mode and fully remove AVG to solve the problem. I use BT Cloud for safe offsite storage and can't get this to work locally so may need to contact BT but I still suspect the MS update caused the problem. I will keep you informed of any further info I recieve.



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Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 5:45pm
...yes moved off AVG 2yrs ago. use to be good now its just bloated to buggery. dont use zonealarm any more either... it distroys your CPU in double quick time.

have a look at comodo internet security suite. its free and works.


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Posted By: Fumper
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 5:46pm
Dont know if this will affect xp users but microsoft will no longer be doing updates for xp after 2013 and as from April 2014 it will no longer be supported :(


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 6:08pm
Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

Just had to remove AVG (2014 Free) - started causing major problems on my XP-driven system after the latest Microsoft security update on Tuesday. Initially thought I might have a Rootkit infection - but several scans (using various antivirus software)  AVG (AVGWDSVC.EXE) started eating into my CPU utilisation, I started having BSODs and eventually had to reboot in safe mode and fully remove AVG to solve the problem. I use BT Cloud for safe offsite storage and can't get this to work locally so may need to contact BT but I still suspect the MS update caused the problem. I will keep you informed of any further info I recieve.



Ditto that Trevor, the latest 2014 AVG just makes XP run rediculiously slowly...i removed mine as well.Now using Avast ,seems much better,no problem.


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by Fumper Fumper wrote:

Dont know if this will affect xp users but microsoft will no longer be doing updates for xp after 2013 and as from April 2014 it will no longer be supported :(
April 8th 2014 is the date to remember. There are already warnings of masses of exploit attacks since MS will no longer be issuing security patches/fixes to avoid/repair such problems. It's a pity really when there are literally tens of millions of people still using XP who have no need for a more 'advanced' operating system and the learning curve required with its installation.
Here are a couple of useful links regarding the latest @Tuesday Patch':   http://pcsupport.about.com/b/2013/12/10/patch-tuesday.htm" rel="nofollow - http://pcsupport.about.com/b/2013/12/10/patch-tuesday.htm

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletin/ms13-dec" rel="nofollow - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletin/ms13-dec


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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 7:21pm

TBH, unless you have every port forwarded on your router to your internal IP and run no AV software, I don't see the issue, I know of 100s of boxes that never recive any updates and none have burst into flames or stolen the family car.

XP is 10 years old, I real terms is 32bit (xp-64 is not that common and driver support, is at best random) so if anyone is using it at the min it is probably on older hardware and if it does what you want now it will do that in 4 years time, I have machines that I have never updated and they work fine...

Personally I will be sticking with W7-x64 for some time, W8 is dead in the water and XP can't deliver the power I need.

But please, no one spend cash just because MS won't be dicking with your OS every 5mins anymore!!!



Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 9:07pm
So what are you saying that it will be ok/safe to run xp after the April 2014 , only do internet browsing listen to radio, ebay/YT go on my bank ect , as i said earlier very basic usage...dont need it to any more high tec stuff, 

only asking as i do not know what all this tec-talk is about pcs...

thanks...


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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 9:19pm

pretty much, run a decent AV/intrusion prevention package, I use Norton Internet Security for most single machines, keep that up to date, don't download dodgy stuff and you will be fine, I had a NT 4 server running until last year, I don't know if NT ever updated, I know it didn't even have the lastest service pack on it, worked fine, replaced with a dual Xeon machine that runs about 10 x faster and generates about a third the heat!!!!!

Thinking back, that dual P3 Xeon box must have cost a few quid in electricity over the 15 years it was in my loft!!!



Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 9:49pm
Thanks Shag,

im on Virgin Media Security allways have been,  dont know if that still sufficient still?


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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 10:04pm
I use virgin as an ISP but I have no idea what their security is like, but I am assuming it is fine as it is not in their interests to have the support impact of a crap package...


Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 15 December 2013 at 10:11pm
Back to Ian's original statement, it's from "Patch Tuesday"...

which Micro$oft should rename "Patch Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. During which time your PC will be almost unusable, even though we won't put anything on your screen to warn you of what's happening. And we'll see just how many times we can make you restart your PC without you writing a snotty email to the Customer Services team".

Admittedly, "Patch Tuesday" is bit 'catchier'!


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 12:20am
C'mon guys,

Just get a 4gb Core 2 Duo/Quad DELL machine, and upgrade to Windows '7 for free.

Leave all these XP woes behind. Wink


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Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 1:47am
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

C'mon guys,

Just get a 4gb Core 2 Duo/Quad DELL machine, and upgrade to Windows '7 for free.

Leave all these XP woes behind. Wink



mine is a 4gb core2 duo dell runnin xp one thing though mine doesnt go online its only used to run music when playin out on set Smile


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 10:18pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:


Ditto that Trevor, the latest 2014 AVG just makes XP run rediculiously slowly...i removed mine as well.Now using Avast ,seems much better,no problem.
I just got rid of both AVG & AdAware and moved to AVAST. It seems a lot less intrusive and resource hungry than the packages it replaces but I am still having major problems with my HDD light on almost permanently, CPU utilisation still going up & down like a yoyo with no applications running and my BT stuff still doesn't work. My machine is usable - just - but I am determined to find out the root cause of the problem (my money is still on the latest MS Patch Tuesday release, but it's difficult to pin it down conclusively).


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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 11:55pm
so i've come home for xmas, and am using my trusty EEE netbook running XP....

I have the scvhost issue, but i can't get microsoft update to work, sticks on the 'searching for updates' bit - any tips?



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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 19 December 2013 at 12:35am

Is the time and date set correctly?




Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 19 December 2013 at 9:31am
Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

Is the time and date set correctly?

Affirmative Captain - date set to Stardate Xmas-6. Why do you ask, by the way?



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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 19 December 2013 at 11:28am
Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

so i've come home for xmas, and am using my trusty EEE netbook running XP....

I have the scvhost issue, but i can't get microsoft update to work, sticks on the 'searching for updates' bit - any tips?



Yup,annoying issue this,just leave the update page open on IE,and eventualy it will click through,and start sending the update files,might take an hour or so...also try changing the scheduled update time on your computer ..so if the current time is 11.50,change it to update at 12 noon,that seemed to kick-start mine into action.


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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 19 December 2013 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

Is the time and date set correctly?

Affirmative Captain - date set to Stardate Xmas-6. Why do you ask, by the way?

If you don't use some lappy's for a while they can forget the time and day, windows update won't complete on a machine with a ridiculous date, like a new mainboard with 01-01-2010, so always worth a check!

Smile



Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 19 December 2013 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

so i've come home for xmas, and am using my trusty EEE netbook running XP....

I have the scvhost issue, but i can't get microsoft update to work, sticks on the 'searching for updates' bit - any tips?



If it really is scvhost issue, that's a virus. svchost on the other hand is a genuine windows process.

Just to check.


Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 19 December 2013 at 2:18pm
Been doing some research on this and WINXP/Vista/7 all seen to be affected and showing different problems. System admins are reportedly pulling their hair out because there are so many different things going on with users machines they don't know what problem is caused by which update. One of the most common problems seems to be the slowing down of peoples machines - especially noticeable with their browsers - and the excessive SVC CPU utilisation, but some machines are having network access problems. I have now run 4 separate and independent deep scans on my machine all showing no problems. If it isn't the fault of the Patch Tuesday updates, it is probably the work of the Chinese government sponsored hackers who are aiming to achieve world domination or North Korean hackers preparing to nuke South Korea over Xmas - or is that just me being paranoid?

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Posted By: rffrecords
Date Posted: 19 December 2013 at 3:31pm
Best anti-virus is no anti-virus at all.
My xp installation has never been more healthy since I unistalled all antivirus software early this year. Xp boots up with only 124MB ram in use.

If I suspect a virus (have caught none since) I boot with Kaspersky Rescue Disk 10.


Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 23 December 2013 at 1:05pm
Apparently this problem was caused by the MS patch last week which was designed to protect users of Internet Explorer from security problems, but which made some registry updates which corrupted XP machines. Story and links to a partial fix here: ( http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/514140/svchostexe-using-100-cpu/page-2" rel="nofollow - http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/514140/svchostexe-using-100-cpu/page-2 ). I updated my registry with this fix which seems to have had partial success in that my machine is running better and displays/formats pages correctly but I am still having problems with certain software - luckily, non-important/crucial. 
I will keep you informed.


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 07 January 2014 at 11:16am
Success at last. 

After weeks of working with a now moderately sick machine, I finally cracked the last part of the puzzle. The original problems manifested themselves in certain services using large amounts of memory (peak or normal) and excessive amounts of CPU. On my machine, this was manifesting itself via Chrome running very slowly, especially when multiple tabs were in use and also certain utilities (BT Hub Manager, for example along with MS admin tools)  returning strange messages when trying to connect to my router. Numerous reboots of my PC and the router did not seem to clear the problem and my red HDD light was on almost permanently. Then, when running one of my utilities trying to identify the cause, it was recommended that I drop my firewall to allow communication with the software host server which I tried to do, but couldn't get it to come down. When I checked, sure enough, the firewall was inaccessible to almost every tool I have , so I killed various services (SVCs) until I found the one that was causing the problem (peak memory use was very high) then reset my router, rebooted my PC and re-started the firewall and voila, no slow machine. 

I believe the initial cause problem was definitely the MS upgrade, but that some sort of service corruption between the firewall and router was causing the ongoing problem and a simple boot of the PC or router was not clearing it so it took a combined re-boot along with a dropping of the firewall to escape this problem loop - at 2am this morning!

Hope this helps anyone else with similar problems.


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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 07 January 2014 at 11:45am

Just as an aside, typing ipconfig /flushdns at the c:\ prompt is always worth a try if you are having browswer issues, you could have a cached DNS that does work causing a loop type hold up..

I am not a big chrome fan (I use IE 11 unless I need a WebKit browser) but the latest "version" of chrome for windows seems very un-stable..



Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 07 January 2014 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

Just as an aside, typing ipconfig /flushdns at the c:\ prompt is always worth a try if you are having browswer issues, you could have a cached DNS that does work causing a loop type hold up..

I am not a big chrome fan (I use IE 11 unless I need a WebKit browser) but the latest "version" of chrome for windows seems very un-stable..

I loved Chrome - so much easier and more stable than Firefox - but I too am having doubts as to its stability. I think that they are trying to squeeze too much into a small package - which was the reason I switched to Chrome in the first place, it loaded much more quickly and was easy to do stuff using extensions/add-ons.



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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 07 January 2014 at 12:11pm
^try operaThumbs Up

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Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 07 January 2014 at 12:28pm
Oprera sucks..... sorry. IE11 is, well.... IE!! If you just turn off all the bells and wistles off on chrome and just run ad block pro it works beautifully.
firefox still has its advantages... speed not being one of them.
i use seamonkey within DSL and thats pretty sweet for crusingnthe net.
but for out and out speed in XP remove all the stupid games you download to pass time.... clean out the reg. And cut all the shite out of the startup programmes via msconfig.

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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 10 January 2014 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

Just as an aside, typing ipconfig /flushdns at the c:\ prompt is always worth a try if you are having browswer issues, you could have a cached DNS that does work causing a loop type hold up..

I am not a big chrome fan (I use IE 11 unless I need a WebKit browser) but the latest "version" of chrome for windows seems very un-stable..

I started having the same problem again this evening - tried your tip and it worked first time! Brilliant bit of advice - thanks! Now all I have to do is figure out what is causing the DNS problems. Simples.


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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 10 January 2014 at 9:13pm
write a little batch that file that runs from startup to flushdns everytime you powerup?


Posted By: amlu
Date Posted: 10 January 2014 at 11:19pm
processhacker.sourceforge.net/
or some other good task manager that will show you what is eating up your cpu.

there was a windows update bug a while ago with associated svchost chewing up 100% cpu...

flash player and hd video play is not easy on older systems too.


Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 10 January 2014 at 11:29pm
Originally posted by amlu amlu wrote:

processhacker.sourceforge.net/
Loaded it and looks good - thanks for the tip.
Originally posted by amlu amlu wrote:

 
there was a windows update bug a while ago with associated svchost chewing up 100% cpu...
That was the one that caused the initial problem - Windows 7 code put inside an XP update made worse by the fact the code was for Windows updater, so couldn't easily be fixed (there was a fix developed for it just before Xmas - just before MS got their act together). The trouble was the problem showed itself in different ways on each machine -  caused no end of heartache for system administrators.


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 17 January 2014 at 12:08pm
Can't believe it - machine working nicely, then on Tuesday more MS updates installed and  the same problem recurrs, only this time I was unable to even stop, start or even access the Windows firewall. After finding a helpful fix on the MS site I finally managed to sort out the problem. Definitely going to stop automatic updates from now on! I will post details of the fix if anyone else has the problem.

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Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 17 January 2014 at 1:21pm
And the good news (sort of) is that XP support has now been extended to 2015! So if you're lucky you can have another year of this. Hehe.


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 17 January 2014 at 1:59pm
well i still can't get mine to download any updates, so instead i tried to run the Eee pc bootdisk to fresh install windows off of a USB DVD drive - and it won't recognise the drive [which works fine on my win7 machine].

in short - my laptop is fecked and i cannot do anything to bodge it!! So bloody annoying......




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Posted By: Sinai Sound
Date Posted: 17 January 2014 at 2:30pm
XP support hasn't been extended to 2015, they have in fact extended the amount of time they will continue to supply updates for their anti-malware software

Windows updates will stop as of April 8 2014

If anyone is still having problems with high cpu usage, try installing this

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2898785

Then running windows update

I installed a fresh copy of windows XP the other day and had to install the above update to get windows updates to work




Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 17 January 2014 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

well i still can't get mine to download any updates, so instead i tried to run the Eee pc bootdisk to fresh install windows off of a USB DVD drive - and it won't recognise the drive [which works fine on my win7 machine].

in short - my laptop is fecked and i cannot do anything to bodge it!! So bloody annoying......


... tried to boot off a usb thumb drive?
or removing the harddrive.... stick it in a working oc load the drive with xp and rite at the biggining of the install it loads the basic files needed to get it to startmloadimg windows itself.... just as it goes for its 1st reboot, whip it out, plug it back into the laptop, hook up the usb drive with the install disk and take it from the.

iv had a 70-80% hit rate doing this.


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Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 17 January 2014 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by Sinai Sound Sinai Sound wrote:

XP support hasn't been extended to 2015, they have in fact extended the amount of time they will continue to supply updates for their anti-malware software

Windows updates will stop as of April 8 2014




You're not wrong, that'll teach me to skim read stuff.



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