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Topic: XT8 MK2 Horn Flare
Posted By: nativelayer
Subject: XT8 MK2 Horn Flare
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 1:05pm
The XT8 MK2 has sold out at Blue Aran. They do have the MK1's still in stock, I might have to look into creating my own Phase Plug.

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Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 2:55pm
Should still be nice without the phase plug, just need to cross over to the comp at a lower frequency.
If i remember correct the original X-tro design did not have a phase plug either. 


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 3:39pm
Mykey can make some for you.

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 4:23pm
Originally posted by nativelayer nativelayer wrote:

The XT8 MK2 has sold out at Blue Aran. They do have the MK1's still in stock, I might have to look into creating my own Phase Plug.
Original will be OK.


Posted By: nativelayer
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 5:58pm
Hi Mykey,
 
I take it you've moved on to the SP series horns now, no spare phase plugs lying around?
I imagine the SP-8 would mean a re-design of the whole box.
Sorry if I have got this wrong, I thought the phase plug came about to deal with the Xtro's mid range not performing that well - the original wooden horn wasn't quite enough?
I'm a newbie and love to learn Smile
Cheers
chris


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Posted By: godge
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 7:31pm
Yes that' the reason why a fibre glass Horn with plug is better than the original wooden one. Get one if you can. Get a massive sound from them. Stable audio makes horns but I'm not sure how often


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 8:43pm
Originally posted by nativelayer nativelayer wrote:

Hi Mykey,
 
I take it you've moved on to the SP series horns now, no spare phase plugs lying around?
I imagine the SP-8 would mean a re-design of the whole box.
Sorry if I have got this wrong, I thought the phase plug came about to deal with the Xtro's mid range not performing that well - the original wooden horn wasn't quite enough?
I'm a newbie and love to learn Smile
Cheers
chris
Original has a square throat and the XT8 has a round throat

I never got to hear the original. But many people were pleased with them. I believe Blue Aran are selling them at a good price so grab them while you can


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by nativelayer nativelayer wrote:

Hi Mykey,
 
I take it you've moved on to the SP series horns now, no spare phase plugs lying around?
I imagine the SP-8 would mean a re-design of the whole box.
Sorry if I have got this wrong, I thought the phase plug came about to deal with the Xtro's mid range not performing that well - the original wooden horn wasn't quite enough?
I'm a newbie and love to learn Smile
Cheers
chris
I can manufacture the XT8 here. SP8 is a larger horn with a lower cut off. Looks totally different


Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 8:47pm
My memory may be wrong but last time I compared the two, I thought the original which was more like a fibreglass version of the Xtro horn would probably have better dispersion control than the MkII with the phase plug.  When I tried the MkII, I found it beamed quite badly at the top end, leading me to the conclusion that I'd probably have to cross it over below 2kHz anyway.  Drop it a bit lower and you might as well just use the non-phase plugged version and get more even coverage.

I have a pair of early MkII XT8's which I'm not entirely sure what to do with.


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 9:24pm
Sell them to nativelayer Chris ; )


Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 14 January 2014 at 12:02am
Not a ridiculous idea!  I had great plans to build a 2x12" + 8" + 1" mid-top but it never quite happened and now I don't do any gigs big enough to make it worthwhile...


Posted By: Andy Kos
Date Posted: 14 January 2014 at 12:18am
Just sell them Chris.... they will have a good home and you will have smaller piles of stuff to store!



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Posted By: catalin
Date Posted: 16 January 2014 at 6:41pm
Hi there! Last week i bought from Blue Aran last two XT8 Mk2.But i need two more,so if someone have two for sale,PM please.Cash waiting!!


Posted By: Sapro
Date Posted: 23 January 2014 at 5:34pm
Ok a bit of discussion here if i may.
I thought that phase plugs were for reducing beaming at high frequences. In which case why did Ceharden think that the mk2 had beaming?
Mykey as the creator of these what are your thoughts? What is the upper cutoff of mk1 and 2?

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Posted By: Sapro
Date Posted: 25 January 2014 at 7:55am
Anyone?

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 25 January 2014 at 8:41am


Horn flare rate not the phase plug. I'm working on a Mk3 with a quicker flare rate

Radiation pattern varies with frequency. High frequency sound tends be emitted in narrow beams with poor off-axis performance.

I have also designed a horn for a point source array. Line array if anyone purchases enough of themLOL  as you can see, the design opens up pretty quickly




Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 25 January 2014 at 1:28pm
....your brave!! Lol



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Posted By: Sapro
Date Posted: 25 January 2014 at 5:34pm
Sorry to labour this but the phase plug reduces beaming? Is that correct?

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Posted By: thepersonunknown
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by Sapro Sapro wrote:

Sorry to labour this but the phase plug reduces beaming? Is that correct?


in theory yes because it reduces the distance between boundries meaning that thoes boundries can contol shorter wavelengths, although that is a very simplified explanation.

things like the size and shape of the phase plug and horn boundries (amongst other things, some of which i have no idea what the hell they are) come into play, not to mention the frequency ur trying to contol.


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Posted By: Dutchman
Date Posted: 19 May 2015 at 2:47pm
Any mk2 horns for sale? How did mk3 end up?


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 17 July 2015 at 11:56pm
Curious too!


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 18 July 2015 at 12:44am


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 20 July 2015 at 9:45am
For sale on ebay?


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Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 20 July 2015 at 11:42am
Originally posted by thepersonunknown thepersonunknown wrote:

Originally posted by Sapro Sapro wrote:

Sorry to labour this but the phase plug reduces beaming? Is that correct?


in theory yes because it reduces the distance between boundries meaning that thoes boundries can contol shorter wavelengths, although that is a very simplified explanation.

things like the size and shape of the phase plug and horn boundries (amongst other things, some of which i have no idea what the hell they are) come into play, not to mention the frequency ur trying to contol.


There's also the concept of reducing the air mass infront of the driver which acts as a low pass filter and allows it to play higher. Another reason why phase plugs are hard to simulate, you're changing the horn expansion to support higher wavelengths and also allowing the driver to reach them simultaneously.


Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 9:47am
Ferrite
http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=SONMR8XT&browsemode=manufacturer

Neo
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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 10:59am
Expensive for something that is injection moulded abs?


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Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 11:20am
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Expensive for something that is injection moulded abs?
How much for R&D to develop a prototype, a mold, equipment to fill said mold? Cost of driver (brand not stated here) shipping, and a little profit for all parties involved?


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Posted By: DanielIt
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 11:53am
Reading on the description it says cast aluminum.So not think is abs,but i am sure is heavy!


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 1:32pm
It does look like ABS. 

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Posted By: DanielIt
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 1:39pm
My B&C ME60 horns look the same,and are cast aluminum.But i may be wrong,maybe only the speaker frame inside is aluminum.


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 2:45pm
Aluminium cast frame mean that the driver has aluminium cast frame.
Not that the horn is made of aluminium.


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by all bass all bass wrote:

Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Expensive for something that is injection moulded abs?
How much for R&D to develop a prototype, a mold, equipment to fill said mold? Cost of driver (brand not stated here) shipping, and a little profit for all parties involved?
Chinese r&d! You're joking right?

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Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 6:24pm
Not Chinese actually.


Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 7:22pm
Originally posted by ceharden ceharden wrote:

Not Chinese actually.


what he said


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Posted By: Sapro2
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 10:40am
If you know they are not chinese what are they? Blue arran has no sensitivity rating, response charts or dispersion figures and 200 quid is a lot to spend on something that might be pants. More importantly do they sound any good?

I do like the all in 1 solution though, even Limmer042s need a back bowl, these can just be boxed up and ready to roll..

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Posted By: Andy Kos
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 12:01pm
We will publish more specs shortly - this is a new product that we have just finished testing

We have sensitivity figures for the driver but they are pretty meaningless as the horn significantly boosts sensitivity

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Posted By: Sapro2
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Andy Kos Andy Kos wrote:

We will publish more specs shortly - this is a new product that we have just finished testing

We have sensitivity figures for the driver but they are pretty meaningless as the horn significantly boosts sensitivity


Excellent thanks Andy, well done for developing it in house!


It does look interesting and could match my needs perfectly.

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Posted By: vmh
Date Posted: 18 August 2015 at 10:23pm
I have these for sale for about a grand if anyone is interested.
XT8s are loaded with the original B&C drivers and the tops are loaded with P-Audio.
Mt horns are unloaded.
Hardly used since building and have all build pics.
Problem is they are in Portugal so need to sort delivery although i do have friends who drive back to the UK regularly who could take them.




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Posted By: vmh
Date Posted: 18 August 2015 at 10:23pm


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Posted By: Dutchman
Date Posted: 18 August 2015 at 10:31pm
Nice builds. Bit pricey if u ask me.

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Posted By: vmh
Date Posted: 19 August 2015 at 8:01pm
It's basically what the materials cost, so you are getting the build free. ;-)



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Posted By: catalin
Date Posted: 01 January 2016 at 11:52am
Hi there
Which driver will perform better in XT8 Mk2 : B&C 8Pe21 or Oberton 8M250?
Which one would you choose?
Thanks



Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 02 January 2016 at 9:11am
8pe21 as you know it'll fit plug, sound good, play loud.
Or did anyone do any comparisons yet? (on the mk2 flare)


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Posted By: citizensc
Date Posted: 08 January 2016 at 9:04am
Is there anyway to get the xt8 horn these days? Did the mk3 ever end up happening?



Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 08 January 2016 at 10:56am
Should it?
Isn't MK2 the one with a phaseplug?
I have a set, but sitting in some boxes...


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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 08 January 2016 at 1:12pm
Tom Schute had a similar horn for sale a while back but in my measurements it was about 120 degrees wide even at upper end of its range


Posted By: angus
Date Posted: 20 January 2016 at 8:17am
I have a pair of xt8 mkii if you're interested? And a pair of b&c 8pe21 to load them with. PM me for details. Based in Kent.

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Posted By: agentfierce
Date Posted: 28 January 2016 at 6:42pm
Angus, would you be willing to sell the XT8's by themselves? as already have some 8pe21's



Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 28 January 2016 at 7:12pm
They're sold :-( Tried to buy them with drivers


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Posted By: agentfierce
Date Posted: 28 January 2016 at 7:52pm
Angus, would you be willing to sell the XT8's by themselves? as already have some 8pe21's

Edit, oh well. cheers though
Have to dig my old mold out ti make some more then I guess.... :( 


Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 28 January 2016 at 8:47pm
Why not speak to Mykey, I'm sure he can make more of the xt8's...

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Posted By: angus
Date Posted: 28 January 2016 at 11:24pm
Yes. Sorry they went straight away to a guy in Oz. Arrived in one piece today and he was very pleased! Still have the drivers on eBay. Check out the For Sale section.

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 29 January 2016 at 1:38am
Originally posted by agentfierce agentfierce wrote:

Angus, would you be willing to sell the XT8's by themselves? as already have some 8pe21's

Edit, oh well. cheers though
Have to dig my old mold out ti make some more then I guess.... :( 
What mould?


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 29 January 2016 at 1:40am



Latest version Mk3



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Posted By: Andy Kos
Date Posted: 29 January 2016 at 3:04am
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Originally posted by agentfierce agentfierce wrote:

Angus, would you be willing to sell the XT8's by themselves? as already have some 8pe21's

Edit, oh well. cheers though
Have to dig my old mold out ti make some more then I guess.... :( 
What mould?


Penicillium Candidum is a good one




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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 29 January 2016 at 9:45am
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:




Latest version Mk3



Interesting!
-What's the difference?

Do you still do mk2? -I mean people with a set might want another or have to change all.

The MK2s I've got are VERY UNEVEN!
First of all they're not exactly the same neither did they fit in a xtro before cut down with a jig-saw.
Looks a bit like they were taken out of the mold while still soft and then bended a bit(easier ot get out though)


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 29 January 2016 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by Andy Kos Andy Kos wrote:

Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Originally posted by agentfierce agentfierce wrote:

Angus, would you be willing to sell the XT8's by themselves? as already have some 8pe21's

Edit, oh well. cheers though
Have to dig my old mold out ti make some more then I guess.... :( 
What mould?


Penicillium Candidum is a good one


Moldy old Hovis


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 29 January 2016 at 10:38pm
Originally posted by tv00 tv00 wrote:

Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:




Latest version Mk3



Interesting!
-What's the difference?

Do you still do mk2? -I mean people with a set might want another or have to change all.

The MK2s I've got are VERY UNEVEN!
First of all they're not exactly the same neither did they fit in a xtro before cut down with a jig-saw.
Looks a bit like they were taken out of the mold while still soft and then bended a bit(easier ot get out though)
Resin shrinkage

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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 30 January 2016 at 1:23pm
Ok, how about the two other questions:

1. What's the dfference from MK2?
2. Do you still do MK2?

+Bonusquestion: Shere to buy? Do you sell them on ebay?


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 30 January 2016 at 1:50pm
It got a little confusing. The original was the straight sided XT8 version. I did a new version and that was Mk1, then did this newer version that was MK2

People started to call the original MK1, my MK1 was now MK2, and the latest is MK3  Wacko

Flare rate is much faster

Yes I sell them


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 30 January 2016 at 2:41pm
OK, so the horn is not as deep if the flare rate is faster i suppose?
-or is the compression bigger?
Will it go as deep?
What's the goal? :-)

+Where to buy?


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 30 January 2016 at 5:27pm
Rough sketch

MK2 slow fast

MK3 fast

I'll put a add up on ebay
 






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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 30 January 2016 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by tv00 tv00 wrote:

OK, so the horn is not as deep if the flare rate is faster i suppose?
-or is the compression bigger?
Will it go as deep?
What's the goal? :-)

+Where to buy?
Less beaming. Better wide dispersion


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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 31 January 2016 at 11:36am
Any measurements available for these?


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 01 February 2016 at 2:38pm
I the dispersion wider? Looks so from the drawing, how many degrees?
I suppose the horn is shorter then?
-If not it must be too wide to fit in the xtro?

+Where to buy?


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 15 March 2016 at 10:25pm
These looks quite a bit like mykey horns, and you can buy them!
http://www.aimproaudio.co.uk/


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 16 March 2016 at 1:17am
They've just copied my phase bungs, is all

Flipsides colours

Must be a copy cat firm lol


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 16 March 2016 at 1:22am
It'd be the welsh guy I expect


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 16 March 2016 at 1:31am
Sorry if I posted something commercial, but I think people would like to know how to buy mykey horns, is there still a Ebay account? webpage? Or is it SP-PM?


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Posted By: corell
Date Posted: 16 March 2016 at 1:34am
Just send him an email? Have you ever thought about this?
It worked for me... quite easy tbh ;)


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 16 March 2016 at 7:50am
OK, but how would anyone even know his email? Pretty hard to guess!
This is why I asked if PM is the only way or if there's an Ebay account or the like?

I mean I don't need it, if I did I'd figure it out, but if the guy wants to sell something it shouldn't be necessary for customers to be SP members:-)


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 16 March 2016 at 8:19am
KidCreole is Mykey.

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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 16 March 2016 at 7:40pm
I know that!
My point is that it's hard for people to figure out how to get the products, I've been asked for them a few times!


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Posted By: Andy Kos
Date Posted: 16 March 2016 at 8:27pm
The trick is to create an appropriate commercial outlet for a product, and to market it - then people will generally find out where to buy it either by searching google, asking around, looking in catalogues, etc, etc

This is why there are distribution structures in place for marketing products.





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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 16 March 2016 at 8:39pm
That's what I mean, I do not at all mean to offend Mykey, but people thinks it pretty strange when I tell then to PM "Kid Creole" on SP and then they do nothing :-(


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Posted By: Battered
Date Posted: 17 March 2016 at 1:12am
Originally posted by Andy Kos Andy Kos wrote:

The trick is to create an appropriate commercial outlet for a product, and to market it - then people will generally find out where to buy it either by searching google, asking around, looking in catalogues, etc, etc

This is why there are distribution structures in place for marketing products.






Yes, that's what is known as professionalism. Unfortunately it isn't industry wide, neither is common sense. LOL

Put it this way, if I had a product to bring to market, the first thing I'd do is make sure the market is aware of that product and where to obtain it. Like I said though, common sense is a rare thing these days...........still it's not like it's costing them any money is it. Oh wait...what?



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Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 17 March 2016 at 5:05pm
I think the biggest problem here is people wanted very cheap stuff , I china is the best place to go , of the guys who asked for the horns how many got them selves some , am just asking ? we can place orders for PD's and wait 6weeks and also pay 100% before , true or not true , when man asks you to pay 50% depo it becomes a problem . just saying maybe am wrong  

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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 17 March 2016 at 7:26pm
Not sure I understand.
I've got some xt8 mk2s, that's why I'm not asking for them:-)
Nevertheless my point is that I just wish the best for Mykey and the customers, but they seem so far apart.


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Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 30 August 2017 at 2:36pm
Wonder if we'll ever see the MK3s for sale?
I just sold all the drivers & horns from mine to Australia...


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Posted By: Requiem
Date Posted: 26 October 2017 at 12:27am
Have you got any phase bungs left? Ive been looking for some mrk2's for ages LOL

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