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Topic: Newbie building 186 Horns *** Finished *** :-)
Posted By: Fabianm_be
Subject: Newbie building 186 Horns *** Finished *** :-)
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 5:25pm
Hello all,

My name is Fabian and I'm located in Belgium. My 18 years old son is DJing since two years with Behringer stuff (a pair of B815 Neo and one 1500d sub). Since he is starting to do bigger events, I decided to build him a most serious rig.

I'm just starting with a pair of 186 horns. A pair of MT122 and a second pair of 186 will follow soon.

This is the first time I building speakers. I just finished to build the amp rack with all used equipment we recently bought. I prefer used good brand amp than new no brand ones.


Now, I ordered 2 RCF L18P300 drivers and started to build 186 horns. I'm lucky because my brother in law have a good workshop and dedicated a small part for my use.

I added WSX like front grid.















I hope I will be able to continue working on this soon and post new pictures.

Regards

Fabian



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Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 5:29pm
Nice work so far.... looks like you have thrown together a pretty good rack there too. Look forward to more pics!



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Posted By: scott_fury
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 5:40pm
Go on 'rad' dad!

Couldn't even imagine my ol' man building me a box to put my tunes in.

Look forward to seeing the finished rig. Good luck with it!


Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 10:00pm
great stuff. looks like really good wood and a well planned build.



Posted By: app
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by scott_fury scott_fury wrote:

Go on 'rad' dad!

Couldn't even imagine my ol' man building me a box to put my tunes in.

Look forward to seeing the finished rig. Good luck with it!

Same here.He was never homeLOL
What a nice thing to do for your son.I bet hes grateful for those!


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Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 6:07pm
Hello All,

only 2 or 3 free hours Today to work on this project but got time to prepare the rear door assembly and started the horn sections.

This is very good to work on this after one day of office/computer work Smile








Posted By: ermita
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 6:18pm
yes mate...keep them pics comingThumbs Up




Posted By: patryk1305
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 6:32pm
There was no need to put "Newbie" in the title Thumbs Up

Very good work!


Posted By: LjudLahger
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 6:54pm
Cool dad!

Nice build


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 7:01pm
amazing build, lucky chap indeed!


on a side note, take away that equaliser! Not only does that unit sound naff, the way it is set makes things 100% worse!! Use them for CUT if really needed, NOT gain, and especially not in a whatever that curve is meant to be.... some decent kit there shame for it to be ruined with that Thumbs Up




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Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 7:04pm
The equalizer and crossover are temporary ones. They will be replaced by a DBX driverack in a short future.


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 6:46pm
I'm lucky Today, I got 7 hours to work on the building and this is starting to look's like something good :-)







Now, it is time to close the box.







Box closed Big smile



Now, time to prepare for paint.





I think I will work a good week-end on this Wink


Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 6:54pm
.... Thats very impressive and all for your son!! Are you adopting anytime soon?



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Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 01 February 2014 at 9:56am
nice build it will look and sound great when finished Thumbs Up  

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Posted By: Thomas Hosker
Date Posted: 01 February 2014 at 3:40pm
Wow! Great project! Love the mouth bracing!


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Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 6:05pm
Hello All Smile

Here is pictures from 2 full days of work this weekend building the second one and make some finishing.

Next step will be paint them.

Also, a guy where my son borrow some lighting stuffs saw the same pictures on my Facebook page and asked if I can study and build two double 18" subs to use 4 RCF L18P300 he own.


























Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 6:33pm
... superb build my friend, superb!... why not build the double 18" for your sons friend and charge him the price of the wood for his and the wood for your sons build so that you get some of the cost back of your sons build?




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Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by mini-mad mini-mad wrote:

... superb build my friend, superb!... why not build the double 18" for your sons friend and charge him the price of the wood for his and the wood for your sons build so that you get some of the cost back of your sons build?



I will find a good deal for everyone's.

Currently, this guy have these 4 drivers mounted into 4 basic cabs build in MDF years ago and are now in a very bad state.

My soon borrowed 2 of this cabs for a small party one month ago. They look's like C Subs but without rear port.



Posted By: ape3435
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 8:50pm
Just notice that the cab your building have the extra reflector/flare below the driver magnet, is that not the pd1850 design? Thought the pd186 was without the flare.


Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 9:24pm
ape that piece on the 1850 is a lot higher up, it goes from the 1st part of horn across on the 186 it go's from the 2nd horn part across...

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Posted By: ape3435
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 10:06pm
Not yet looked, but what you've said have jogged my memory, I believe you're right. I did some 1850s in 2007 so totally forgot. (Note to self: look before you leap )

Cool bee


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 07 February 2014 at 7:15pm
Hello everybody,

After a few days of Office working it was time to start the painting phase.

Thanks to my dear girlfriend for the help in painting (painting this is not my strongest capacity).









Now, it's time to start the final assembly:





That's it for Today.

I guess, Tomorrow will be the time of the first test Confused


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 07 February 2014 at 7:17pm
Originally posted by ape3435 ape3435 wrote:

Just notice that the cab your building have the extra reflector/flare below the driver magnet, is that not the pd1850 design? Thought the pd186 was without the flare.

There is one into the 186 but smaller than the 1850 one:




Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 07 February 2014 at 7:21pm
NO! How can you paint that lovely wood Big smile, didnt fancy the natural look no?

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Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 07 February 2014 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:

NO! How can you paint that lovely wood Big smile, didnt fancy the natural look no?


When I will create speakers for my home, I will keep the natural look but, here, this is for road use and I need they are well protected.

You are right, this is a very nice wood


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 10:27am
So, Yesterday was the time for the last finishing Tongue with the help of my son.

Drivers installed:



Doors sealed:



Wheels screwed:



A last touch of paint before mounting the grids and the corners:



Anthony plug-in everything for a first test in the workshop:





You will notice his current tops Behringers 815 (the biggest Behringer model) seems ridiculous on these horns. But decent tops will be the next step Wink



Time to power on Shocked







During the 2 last working hours in the workshop, I was very stresses with the idea: "And if the sound is bad?"

Not a so big place to get the most of these horns but we got a good surprise with the quality of the bass. Very present and powerful with lot of kick. I just crossed them at 200hz for this quick test and will do a finer tuning and eq next week for their first party in a big room.

We started slowly.

At 50% power, sound was very nice.
Around 70%, sound was still nice but it started to snow in the workshop. All wood dust on the walls and the roof started to take down with the vibrations.
Around 85%, some tools started to move and fall down from the wall and we stopped there.

100% will be for next week Embarrassed

And, I will finish by this small video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tgeUe3GDF0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tgeUe3GDF0

Thanks for all your encouragement during the build Big smile


Posted By: Keen
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 10:56am
sooo sweet man! awesome thanks for the piiiics!


Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 11:13am
nice build , but one thing I´d do is the screws holding the grill would have used black ones , 

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 11:34am
They look like rivets to me?

Rivets in the handles and back socket won't last either

nice diy job


Posted By: Porky
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Fabianm_be Fabianm_be wrote:


At 50% power, sound was very nice.
Around 70%, sound was still nice but it started to snow in the workshop. All wood dust on the walls and the roof started to take down with the vibrations.
Around 85%, some tools started to move and fall down from the wall and we stopped there.

100% will be for next week Embarrassed



That bit really made made me laugh
LOLLOLLOL


Great build thread. Thanks for sharing Smile




Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 1:04pm
Very nice build! superb

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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 5:47pm
great stuff!


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by Father-Francis Father-Francis wrote:

nice build , but one thing I´d do is the screws holding the grill would have used black ones , 

You are right but this is very difficult, here to find black screws, so I needed to use small stainless steel screws.

I was thinking like you and I just found the solution, I put a bit of the paint I used for the grid on each screw head and now, this is better Wink


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 11 February 2014 at 1:54am
little advice here for your next gig....

those equaliser settings...  the EQ curve of 120-180hz boost would sound terrible on these horns crossed over so high, will honk worse than a rampant goose!!

- So with what you have available here, on the equaliser set the gains at 0db [midday], and flatten the EQ.

- set a highpass at 40hz [if your kit even has the ability?], they won't do much lower as only a pair [especially without the PD186 driver]

- crossover to the midtops at 120hz highest, i liked mine at 100hz to a 15" midtop for DJ stuff - any higher and they are honky and really discolour the sound!

- running the dj tinkertoy at 0db out on the mains [that's the point where green meets yellow lights], turn the bass amp up until it is just below clipping [flashy red lights], set limiter now to limit anything further. Now turn the midtops up to a point which match the output of the bass - they should compliment each other.

- at this point your flat EQ balanced gain system should be sounding as good as it can without help, at this point you can look at the graphic equaliser. Don't try and boost anything below 40hz the cab will over excurse. Stick on a quality song you know well & starting from the top down, try boosting each frequency so you can 'hear it', then decide if it is fine in relation to the rest of the rig, or if it needs more or less. Repeat process through all the frequencies. Once complete, start that song again, and work your way through it again until you finalise on the sound you want. Bare in mind, just because it is there, you very may well not need to change it.


Thoughts for the future...
1: you need a proper processor [crossover] which can handle crossover, delays, and limiting all in one! Mixing horn's and reflex without delay is asking for trouble....
2: your bass amp really isn't big enough IMO, these cabs are power hungry and will be strangled by lack of power. When you upgrade midtops, you could use it on them instead!


Keep up the great work though, your son is a lucky chap, i built my first 186 horns when i was 17... on my own Thumbs Down




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Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 11 February 2014 at 7:21am
MK2, you are really reading in my thought.

The Eq settings you see on the pictures was the one from the last gig with Behringer tops and Behringer sub. I didn't take time to restart a setting from 0 because we had only 5 minutes to try the 186 before loading them into the van.

This rig will be used a few time in this technical configuration in order to get a bit of money back and will be improved in the future. A processor is on the "To buy" list.

For the amp, by the way, I need some guidance because, yes, I got this one for a ridiculous price and, since my plan was to not overload the drivers, It sounded good for me because, we use it in bridged mode with the 186 in parallel, so at 4 ohm, it can deliver 1800W.

May I send more than 900W into these RCF drivers on the long term?



Posted By: jbossman2012
Date Posted: 11 February 2014 at 11:48pm
its looking very nice wanna see a pic of when its painted 


Posted By: jbossman2012
Date Posted: 11 February 2014 at 11:59pm
ye they are very nice all you need now is a bigger power amp and get rid of the behringer stuff and you will be nice i would recommend a klark eq or bss cheap used ones on ebay but really lie the boxses 


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 12 February 2014 at 12:12am
Only one thing to say really, Excellent job. Well done.

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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 12 February 2014 at 11:59am
i wouldn't recommend an EQ at all, for a 'playback rig' it shouldn't be needed! Especially a nasty Behringer one!!

Just invest what you can in a digi processor, berry DCX, DB Tech thingymajig, XTA etc - do all crossover, delay, phase, limiting on there - job done!!

In terms of your amp, although it claims 1800w @ 4ohm bridge, id bet in terms of bass output you would be nearer 12-1400w rms, giving a mere 6-700w per driver. I don't know the limits of the RCF driver, but with the PD186 i could put in a good clean 1000w rms per driver [with headroom on amp] and they came alive, serious kick and output!! Subs in general love to have a nice big amplifier preferably not in bridge, with plenty of headroom above what the driver needs/wants. In terms of future builds, you would need at least 2/side for the cab to work semi properly [eventually 3/side] so would be looking for an amp that can do 4kw+ rms @ 2.6ohm which won't be cheap! Plenty of topics talking this subject to death in the newbie section, amp section, scoop section, electrofrying section etc etc... not going to touch on specifics!

One thing is for sure... you are hooked in the PA game...! Say goodbye to your bank balance LOL




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Posted By: pullup
Date Posted: 19 February 2014 at 9:18am
Well done, now that is what i call a very good build Thumbs Up


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 20 February 2014 at 4:06pm
Hello all Smile

Last Saturday was the first gig for these 2 babies.

This was a small birthday party with around 100 people invited but since they rented a venue able to host from 250 to 300 it was a good test for us.

With the pair of 186, we needed to use one Behringer 815 on each side and a pair of cheap Thomann speaker (the first ones my son got when he was 15) on the center to have medium and high all around the dance floor.

Do not laugh or cry about this, I just started to draw tops who will fit the bass but, didn't wanted to wait before using them.

During the afternoon, I made some testing and finally crossed the bass around 150-160 Hz. Eq was almost flat, just a small correction in the high range and we spend 2 hours listening all kind of music from 70s to Today and I must admit this sounded great.

I was not there for the party because invited to another one but when I go back to the venue to take away all the stuffs, I got congratulations from many person for the quality of the sound.

In my area, there are many young DJ but lot of them are using crappy material like Ibiza Sound one and are not able to tune something right.

In the future, I think the tops, a second pair of 186 and a sound processor will provide a very decent sound quality for the kind of gig my son is doing.

Thanks for all your encouragement and see you soon in a next post about the tops Wink

Fabian

Here is a small set of pictures taken by my second son before the party begin.
















Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 20 February 2014 at 10:38pm
that looks very nice, wish all mobile DJ's put this much effort into it!!

If that trussing is yours, i would look at building midtops which can be flown off it, partly as at the right height means you can angle the midtop just where you want it, and partly because it looks a whole heap nicer than cabs on tripods!

A very big well done to you Thumbs Up



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''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart''


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 21 February 2014 at 9:32am
This is funny,

my son just proposed to create the tops as small line array ones to get them flown off the trussing.

Unfortunately, I already ordered drivers ad HF to build a pair of MT122 tops. My plan was to create 3 separate boxes per side (1 high and 2 medium) to me more easily transportable but also, to be able to place them for a wider coverage sound.

I guess, these boxes will be too heavy to flown from the trussing. My original plan was to put them on top of 2 186 Horn each side.

Trussing is the only item my son doesn't own itself because he have a deal with the local renter. He help from time to time for gig installation and can borrow trussing for free. Like this, he can vary the shape (square, rectangle circle, ...)

And, also, we have only a simple garage at home as vault. Here is how it look's like since he kept the trussing from the last gig until the next one.

My car is sleeping outside since a while Confused






Posted By: Daniel S
Date Posted: 21 February 2014 at 10:23am
Very nice :)

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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 21 February 2014 at 10:53am
i wouldn't really consider the MT122 to be suitable for your needs if im honest. It has a narrow dispersion designed to be used in arrays of 2-3/side to provide sufficient horizontal coverage.

Id be looking at something like the X12 if you plan on 1/side midtops, will still have plenty of output for a 2-3x 186 horns/side, wider horizontal coverage, and be a smaller lighter cabinet. You could add Aerotrack onto the top to allow them to be flown also. Flown midtops would allow you to put the four 186's center stage in a block which will allow them to work better together.

Better so, i would consider 2x single mid cabs per side, flown. Either a reflex 12"+comp, or even MT121's.... easily enough to be done.




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''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart''


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 21 February 2014 at 12:20pm
You are right about MT122, this is why I wanted to build them in separate boxes in order to put 2 medium side by side and get a better coverage.

So, for you, if I build a pair of X12 tops, they will handle without problem four 186?

Since I have 4 x 12" drivers and 2 x 2" compressions on order for MT122, I can use them to create X12 instead.

Thanks for the guidance by the way Smile


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 21 February 2014 at 10:36pm
which drivers did you order? [makes a fair difference to any advice]

bare in mind the MT122 spread out 3sections sideways is going to be pretty big [1400mm!], when a sideways 186 is 956mm.... and the HF horn will need to be a wide dispersion one, not the one specified in the plans.

for size reference [from a houseparty haha - that tv was 38" i think], two 186's, with a pair of JRX112M's on top... They kept up just fine, and were cheap crap - proper midtops will sounds amazing. Also bear in mind, two high like this is not high enough for short cabs like them in a gig situation, hence i suggested X12's - gets the HF up to a suitable height.
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still, my favorite solution to your rig [based on 2-3x 186's per side] would be a pair of flown 12"+comp midtops per side - though for DJ type stuff an X12 angled in slightly would suffice also allowing ground stacking saving time and cost [ultimately - main thing is decent sound on dancefloor].

hope this helps, but remember, sound is subjective - i am just going by my personal taste, you may love something different.... its all about trial and error from trying different styles of kit and setups to discover what you love!!




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Posted By: AM55
Date Posted: 21 February 2014 at 11:09pm
A good compromise, the horn is shorter so dispersion won't be as tight.
http://hornplans.free.fr/smt212.html" rel="nofollow - http://hornplans.free.fr/smt212.html

I own a similar design and they can be used one a side.


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Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 22 February 2014 at 10:30am
Haha Big smile. I'm just a bit affraid about the contain of the display cabinet on the right Confused.
 
Here is what I have on order originally to create multiple parts MT122:
 
- 4 Beyma 12MI100 http://profesional.beyma.com/pdf/12MI100E.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://profesional.beyma.com/pdf/12MI100E.pdf  I saw somewhere there was an alternative for MT122 drivers.
- 2 Compression P Audio BM-D750 Serie 2 http://www.p-audio.co.uk/pdf/BM-D750.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.p-audio.co.uk/pdf/BM-D750.pdf
- 2 Horn P Audio PH-3223 http://www.p-audio.co.uk/pdf/PH-3223.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.p-audio.co.uk/pdf/PH-3223.pdf  I had already choosen 90 x 55° dispersion because I planned to put the 2 MT122 medium section side to side in order to get a wider coverage.
 
Now the SMT212 design seems to be a good compromize between MT122 and X12. Will read a bit about it before make a choice.


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 22 February 2014 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by Fabianm_be Fabianm_be wrote:

Haha Big smile. I'm just a bit affraid about the contain of the display cabinet on the right Confused.


i had already gone in, and blue-tacked each item onto the shelf. Was crafty when 17!!



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''Remember that the object of a subwoofer is to enhance the output of your main speakers, not overpower it''

''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart''


Posted By: Gfoster
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 10:46pm
What have you decided to build in the end? looking forward to seeing more updates from you


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 2:01am
I got busy on many other stuffs last few weeks but, finally, I will go for the SMT 212 design.
 
I received the drivers and other components this week and wood is ordered.
 
I got time to learn Sketchup and made a few drawing with it:
 
 
Here is my cut sheet for, I hope, next week:
 
 
When finished with the planned second pair of 186, the rig will look like this:
 
 
This is all I have for the moment Embarrassed


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 11:45am
lil comment here, stack the 186's sideways one on top - get the SMT212 up to height!

Going to be a potent rig once complete! Time to get a proper bass amplifier and speaker processor also....


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''Remember that the object of a subwoofer is to enhance the output of your main speakers, not overpower it''

''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart''


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 11:57am
Amp and processor are on the "To do/To buy" list but we need to use the rig a few times order to get the money back and continue Wink
 
They will be used Today and Tomorrow for 2 gigs Smile.


Posted By: Gfoster
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 8:52pm
Looks good with the plans


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 15 March 2014 at 10:31am
Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

lil comment here, stack the 186's sideways one on top - get the SMT212 up to height!

Going to be a potent rig once complete! Time to get a proper bass amplifier and speaker processor also....

You are right, this is better like this Smile




Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 15 March 2014 at 10:46am
Hello All,

I will start to work on the tops next week.

Waiting for this, here is a few pictures of the last use of the 186 this week-end.

My son is working with another guy to create 2 events based on young talents. Everyone in these organisations (including the 8 DJs) are from 16 to 19 Years old.





I just gave a hand half a day for the setup.





The Amp Rack with a borrowed additional amp and a processor:



Backstage:



186 Horns on side of a dual 18 sub using the same RCF drivers. So, with the processor, we worked 3 ways: Sub, horn, full range speakers. Crossover points was 80 and 150.



DJ corner. The mixer we used (DJM 600) was not yet installed.




Will include some pictures I took just before the opening in the next post.


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 15 March 2014 at 10:51am
And finally, some pictures of the light just before the opening of the first gig.

























I think these young guys made a good job transforming this small venue in a single dance floor just for 2 nights.


Posted By: Gfoster
Date Posted: 25 March 2014 at 6:35pm
I am looking to build the SMT 212's however in a single driver version, so looking forward to seeing your pictures, what drivers etc have you got?


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 25 March 2014 at 7:11pm
that truss build really scares me...

whats stopping it falling backwards/forwards [and holding the pieces together!]... hopefully not just those cableties/straps onto the railingsOuch. Like the creativity [layout], HATE the rigging. So damn unsafe, not to mention careless.

If you want to do this kind of thing, get some swivel clamps at least, so the thing can be clamped together properly - and actually resemble something load bearing. They are cheap and common - used by scaffolders, absolutely no excuse here. Leave the cable ties for.... *cable tieing* and use clamps for *clamping*! Also build a proper base for the thing [using truss baseplates] so it cannot tip forwards or backwards.

try getting the midtops up higher next time too....

sorry to be harsh, i can see you put a lot of effort in, the lighting and set looks awesome, but the little things cannot be ignored!



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''Remember that the object of a subwoofer is to enhance the output of your main speakers, not overpower it''

''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart''


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 25 March 2014 at 7:13pm


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''Remember that the object of a subwoofer is to enhance the output of your main speakers, not overpower it''

''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart''


Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 25 March 2014 at 7:21pm
I wore one of those once, very uncomfortable.

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Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 26 March 2014 at 7:52am
Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

that truss build really scares me...

whats stopping it falling backwards/forwards [and holding the pieces together!]... hopefully not just those cableties/straps onto the railingsOuch. Like the creativity [layout], HATE the rigging. So damn unsafe, not to mention careless.

If you want to do this kind of thing, get some swivel clamps at least, so the thing can be clamped together properly - and actually resemble something load bearing. They are cheap and common - used by scaffolders, absolutely no excuse here. Leave the cable ties for.... *cable tieing* and use clamps for *clamping*! Also build a proper base for the thing [using truss baseplates] so it cannot tip forwards or backwards.

try getting the midtops up higher next time too....

sorry to be harsh, i can see you put a lot of effort in, the lighting and set looks awesome, but the little things cannot be ignored!

 
I 100% agree with you, they did too many wrong stuffs with the trussing. I will request they buy clamps like you suggested.


Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 26 March 2014 at 7:54am
Originally posted by Gfoster Gfoster wrote:

I am looking to build the SMT 212's however in a single driver version, so looking forward to seeing your pictures, what drivers etc have you got?
 
The wood working will start Today and I will create a post for that.
 
I will use:
 
- 4 Beyma 12MI100 http://profesional.beyma.com/pdf/12MI100E.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://profesional.beyma.com/pdf/12MI100E.pdf
- 2 Compression P Audio BM-D750 Serie 2 http://www.p-audio.co.uk/pdf/BM-D750.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.p-audio.co.uk/pdf/BM-D750.pdf
- 2 Horn P Audio PH-3223 http://www.p-audio.co.uk/pdf/PH-3223.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.p-audio.co.uk/pdf/PH-3223.pdf


Posted By: ClubJDj
Date Posted: 24 June 2014 at 4:15pm
Hello!

Is it possible to get your Sketchup Drawings?

kind Regards!


Posted By: izzzzzz6
Date Posted: 17 July 2014 at 7:34am
How is the building of the tops going? I would imagine that the midrange from those horns would be very powerful but you may find that they lack a little brightness with out boosting the gain around 17-20k, i would recommended several smaller compression drivers 1" or 1.5" rather than a single 2" or a combination of both so you have more control. many 1" compression drivers can really change the sound if setup correctly. A favourite layout of mine on smaller speakers is a mini array of tweeters usually 2 in series and two in parallel, 16 total if you like for more control and power but it starts to get expensive and difficult to build. With larger applications i'm thinking 4x 1" compression drivers would make a nice job. 2 sets in parallel and those two sets in series to retain the original impedance but increase power handling. The other advantage with using 4 1" compression drivers in one cab is that the horns can be splayed out at different angles to get a greater coverage in the room. (which is kind of necessary to avoid interference patterns, this also depends on the shape of the horns used).

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Posted By: Fabianm_be
Date Posted: 17 July 2014 at 9:31am
Hello izzzzzz6,
 
all your concerns are logical but I buit the top already a few months ago and we are very happy of the result: http://forum.speakerplans.com/smt-212-building_topic86007.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.speakerplans.com/smt-212-building_topic86007.html
 



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